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Election Day Plus One
« on: November 05, 2008, 09:19:10 AM »
This will be the wrap up thread for this forum... Morning after discussion!

CNN hasn't yet declared MO, IN, and NC.... But it doesn't matter.  Obama's at 338 and 52% of the popular.  Which is beautiful. 


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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 09:26:49 AM »
We should also note that everybody who had it on the ballot returned bans on gay marriage:  AZ, AR, CA, FL.  Conservatism did have a minor victory last night.

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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 09:42:52 AM »
Obama is president. He was my guy throughout so I'm happy.

That said, I still have my doubts about what he can get done, even with a Senate majority. (I haven't checked the Senate numbers yet this morning, but I doubt he got the filibuster proof sixty seats.) After the speech last night, I worry less about Obama destroying the world, and I also worry about the average American citizen slipping into the old apathy.

And I hope they can keep him alive. That bulletproof glass in Grant Park last night was telling and maybe a sign of the times.

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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 11:27:27 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081105/pl_mcclatchy/3092351

For anybody who thinks that because Obama won, all will be right in the world.

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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 12:02:24 PM »
Oh, I never convinced myself that all of a sudden we'd live in a utopia. But if this is a real paradigm shift in the world culture, i think the right steps can be taken to START fixing a lot of the problems that are plaguing us.

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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 01:44:38 PM »
California passed its gay marriage ban which is extremely fucking disappointing. We now have discrimination written into our state constitution. God. Fuck this state.

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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 01:57:38 PM »
Everyone who had it up passed bans on gay marriage.

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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 03:02:15 PM »
Yeah, a friend of mine flew to CA to canvass against Prop 8.  I haven't heard from him yet, but I'm going to a party at his house this weekend and I'm afraid it could be pretty gloomy.
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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 03:05:53 PM »
That said, I still have my doubts about what he can get done, even with a Senate majority. (I haven't checked the Senate numbers yet this morning, but I doubt he got the filibuster proof sixty seats.)

Dems still have either 54 or 56, Republicans 40, with several states uncalled -- Franken lost by 500 votes and is getting, and asking for, an automatic recount.

EDIT: My experience is that Dems don't have the balls to swing around making room for their ideology.  If they had 60 members, or even 70 members, I can't see them -- as they currently are -- having the guts to use that tool.  Today's Dems would defect, hold their votes hostage, and bargain rather than stand united on practically any principle.  Maybe tomorrow's Dems will be different.


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And I hope they can keep him alive. That bulletproof glass in Grant Park last night was telling and maybe a sign of the times.

So were the mobs at the White House last night.  Funny, Obama might benefit from Bush's precedent-setting security paranoia.
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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 03:10:32 PM »
Jesus, people, they can keep him alive.  Security is out of control these days... And secret service is going almost all black.  I was reading that the other day.  (This is a great time for fit, young black men and women interested in the secret service!)

Also kind of suspicious that I was reading that on Monday.  Like...they knew Obama was going to win with enough confidence to start hiring large numbers of black agents.  Hmmm...

But, yes, Obama will be safe.  I'm more worried about me!  Because when the Nazi-made truck bomb goes off at the White House gates while Obama is 1000 miles away, I'm in the blast zone.

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Re: Election Day Plus One
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2008, 03:50:49 PM »
Yeah, I have full confidence in the Secret Service. I'm pretty sure they know what they're dealing with.