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Title: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 06, 2005, 03:00:37 PM
Trailer for the new X-Men movie, rushed through production to sooner be a flop near you.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/x3/ (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/x3/)

Bryan Singer signed on to do Superman Returns, so rather than wait, Fox signs Brett Ratner, (Rush Hour, Red Dragon) to bring his mediocraty to Wolverine and the gang. Halle Berry's bland Storm is given a beefed up role because she wouldn't come back otherwise. Worse news of all is that they started shooting without a completed script. Always a bad sign.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on December 06, 2005, 03:02:21 PM
Oh no!

And the first 2 films were so good!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on December 06, 2005, 03:34:57 PM
I'm hoping it will be visually cool enough that I can ignore the faults of the atrocious directing and writing.

I mean, hey, it worked so well for Underworld, right? Fucking sweet-ass movie that was.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on December 06, 2005, 03:36:10 PM
I really annoyed with stupid film makers.

X-Men was ace, X-Men 2 was just as ace.... Maybe they'll pull it out of the bag for X-Men 3. I hope.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on December 06, 2005, 03:40:02 PM
Bryan Singer has has turned his talents to other films. First: re-creating and perfecting the Superman franchise.

Then Logan's Run, so Nacho can sate his sci-fi craving.

Now Singer's talking shit about doing a Star Trek movie, which would be fucking AWESOME. Finally Trek that doesn't suck! Who would've thought. But that's all the Trekweb bitches, and those poor saps don't get laid, ever, so their opinion is suspect.

I just watched the teaser again. Beast looks awesome. I like Kelsey Grammar, my white inclinations towards "Frasier" notwithstanding. Also, there was a nice Famke Jenssen ass shot in those little, little work-out shorts. Mmmm. Nice.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 06, 2005, 03:43:24 PM
So, my Stupid ME computer won't let me watch the trailer. If anybody finds a .WMV of it, let me know.

I'm hoping for the best with X3, but I really think they should have waited for Singer (who would have come back. He simply couldn't do two movies at once.) just to give it that roundness.

I thought X-Men was good and X2 was even better, so my expectations are pretty high.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on December 06, 2005, 05:40:55 PM
hey, Red Dragon was good.  Ratner made a better Hannibal movie than Ridley Scott did.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on December 06, 2005, 05:42:57 PM
and if anyone can point me at any evidence that something "looks like" a Bryan Singer movie, let me know.  I'm not saying I hate the guy, I like his movies, but he's not one of those "Oh, yeah, that's definitely his work" directors.  all this movie needs is a good script like the other two.  all the main elements are in place.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 06, 2005, 08:35:29 PM
hey, Red Dragon was good.  Ratner made a better Hannibal movie than Ridley Scott did.

Red Dragon was also good the first time around . . . when it was Manhunter. I thought Michael Mann made a better movie, Brian Cox was a fine Lecter, and Tom Noonan was scarier than Ralph Fiennes, and I'm a huge friggin' Fiennes fan.

Ratner is a bastion of mediocraty. He doesn't suck, he's just bland. He "picks" projects where the star power overshadows the director. Producers love him though, so he must do something right. (Read: Does bang up box office..)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 10, 2006, 05:04:45 PM
Internet buzz is ripping X3 and Brett Ratner a new asshole, but I think these one-sheets look pretty cool. Of course, I'm in the minority.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22441
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 06, 2006, 10:44:20 PM
So, a new X3 trailer should be hitting the web anytime now. I just saw it during 24 and I have to say that it looked pretty okay. Not great, but not the shit stew it's being touted as.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on March 06, 2006, 11:38:34 PM
what about it didn't look great?  scarlet witch? psylocke?  storm's new 'do?  mutant armies fighting?  i'm sold already.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Tatertots on March 07, 2006, 12:51:23 PM
Ker-blam:

X3 Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/large.html)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 08, 2006, 10:46:56 AM
So, good or bad, they'll get my $9. Just because I'm loyal to the franchise.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 21, 2006, 03:08:41 PM
X3 comes out next week and the early reviews say it's pretty good. Apparently it stays faithful to the other two movies. I guess it seems Ratner didn't try to come in and shake shit up too much.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 21, 2006, 04:26:14 PM
If by early reviews you mean AintItCoolNews... I'm convinced they're paid to plug movies these days, and the movies that don't play ball, well, they get fucked. Think about it: AICN bashes X3 constantly, lowering film expecations, then ramps up and starts promoting the week before it comes out. Fan expectations are low, but the product "is pretty good", all things considered, and people go and see it with their view of the movie already coloured by the AICN reviews and buzz.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 21, 2006, 04:28:41 PM
And before you say this is unfounded, I want to look at the MI3 coverage on AICN. They were running two banner ads to promote MI3 and the Harry Knowles animation in the left hand corner was a MI3 spoof-reference. They waffled for awhile on whether or not the movie would be good, but then ramped up in the two-three weeks before, saying that it was good and all of that. Critical reviews say no, and the movie is tanking. Meanwhile, they have reviews that are too positive that they point out as "plants", thus verifying their credibility as an independent news source, when really they're paid by studios to promote movies.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 21, 2006, 04:36:44 PM
You have something of a point, Matt, but it's far more subtle than Harry Knowles being on the payroll of 20th Century Fox or even the studio greasing his palms with green. It's more like them sending him a bunch of free promotional shit or invitingthem to some posh advanced screening of X3 or some other event where they talk up X3.

In other words, they make him feel like a "player" and he subcomsciously feels bad for shitting on their film.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 21, 2006, 05:14:46 PM
Okay, so he doesn't get paid, but he and his reviewers get some kind of kickback for their reviews, and his reviews aren't unbiased and they aren't critical (at least not anymore), so I don't think they merit the weight they're given. So until I see more of a varied response from critics I respect (like A. O. Scott, for example), I'll leave my expectations dubious until I see it.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 22, 2006, 07:07:01 PM
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23404

Another "interview" with someone. How can you not say that he gets paid for this stuff, RC? they basically provided an open forum for the guy to plug his product, without ANY prompting whatsoever.

I do like how they admitted they knew their target audience, and the villain chick has double D fake tits.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 22, 2006, 08:09:21 PM
They're a media outlet like any other media outlet. Do the studios target them the same way they target Access Hollywood and Newsweek? Of course. But nobody's getting money.

Harry Knowles opinion doesn't make or break a movie for me. Nor does David Ansen of Newsweek but  Knowles carries even less water than him.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 22, 2006, 09:09:26 PM
If they're not getting money, they should, because they're being used and they're idiots.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 22, 2006, 09:12:38 PM
Again, Harry's in it for his self-esteem. He likes being the most powerful geek in the world.

Why are we talking about that guy anyway?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 22, 2006, 09:51:56 PM
I dunno. Fuck 'em.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 24, 2006, 10:15:12 PM
All right, Mrs. RC and I did a X-Men and X2 double feature last night. X-Men has the flaws that come with trying to deal with almost a dozen characters, not to mention trying to disseminate thirty years of mythology. X2 is great from start to finish.

The best thing is that the continuity between the two films is ridiculously good. Things started in the first film directly effect events in the second film.

X3 has the unenviable challenge of doing that with twice as many characters without everything getting lost in the shuffle. Can it be done?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2006, 10:48:28 PM
I doubt it. Especially from the way plot elements have worked, based on AICN reviews.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 24, 2006, 10:59:46 PM
Speaking of AICN reviews, they're taking a shit all over this movie. Still think they're taking green/favors from Fox?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2006, 11:32:58 PM
I think a check bounced.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 24, 2006, 11:38:50 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on May 28, 2006, 12:17:54 PM
grrr.  what a steaming pile of a movie.  it was Ratner's to fuck up, and he did.  or whoever wrote the script.  jesus.  at the risk of sounding like a total comic nerd, I have to say that this is what happens when you deviate too far from the source material.  You get a crazy sci-fi TV episode as the final installment in your badass superhero trilogy.  juggernaut and most of the other featured mutants under magneto were just gimmicky, and apparently all the x-men do when they're not fighting dangerous missions is reminding each other what powers they have with shitty jokes.  and then to insinuate that there could be more movies in the future?  why push that on us?  what's next, X-men 4: The Laster Stand? 

bleah. 

but...there was a preview for Snakes on a Muthafuckin' Plane, though.  i'm psyched. 

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 29, 2006, 08:37:00 PM
I'm with Cass. Disappointing on just about every level.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Tatertots on May 29, 2006, 11:18:10 PM
Seeing Rebecca Romijn naked was disappointing? You bitch!

But now that Anna Paquin is "cured", we'll get to see her tits in X4! Yeah!

I'm banking on a Rogue/Angel hardcore scene.

Also, you all stayed until after the credits, right? Where Xavier... You know...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on May 29, 2006, 11:23:30 PM
god, what a waste of my time.  a friend told me to stay, and i'd already hated the movie so i was just fuming while the credits rolled on and on and all i got was a coldcock to the face.  "Remember, kids, IT'S NEVER OVER WHEN MARVEL'S INVOLVED!"

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Tatertots on May 29, 2006, 11:28:18 PM
Marvel touched me in my special place.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 30, 2006, 03:32:03 AM
See, my expectations were so low, I enjoyed it. For the most part. I went in with no expectations, didn't expect anything fulfilling, and for the most part I was satisfied.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 30, 2006, 12:14:55 PM
Up until the point where
Spoiler
Xavier dies
, it was passable. There were even a few moments of "wow." The Jean/Wolverine make out scene was cool, especially when she Phoenix-ed out on him. The Angel scene was good, but ultimately pointless. Actually that was the problem with most of the movie. Most of it was just pointless. Also, the movie got so over the top at the end that I just kind of tuned out.

They should have either done a movie about the cure, or a movie about Phoenix. Trying to do both (and in an hour and forty-five minutes no less) just made everything get watered down.

The Beast was a cool character but the wire work during his fight was abyssmal. I also liked how Iceman developed as a character too.

Plus, Ian McKellan is an acting god. When he's on screen, there's was magic that Ratner couldn't completely obliterate, no matter how hard he tried.

And really, don't blame Ratner. Blame Tom Rothman and 20th Century Fox who rushed it into production instead of waiting on Bryan Singer and David Hayter like they should have.

Oh, and $120 million over Memorial Day weekend? Can you say countdown to X4? (After we get the Wolverine and Magneto spin-off movies?)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Tatertots on May 30, 2006, 12:26:22 PM
Yeah - they confirmed X4, and possibly more.

What the fuck was up with the little kid? They made him up to be hugely important and then, in the end, he just... Runs away. Fucking nitwit.

Juggernaut was cool and I liked some of the fight scenes. But they couldn't touch X1 or X2 in the least.

And, like I said, Rebecca's tits!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 30, 2006, 12:54:16 PM
Iceman vs. Pyro fight I enjoyed. Because Bobby suddenly realized all he could do, and Pyro was such an emo bitch in this movie.

I agree with anything about Ian McKellen. He is hardcore.

I was disappointed with the Phoenix special effects. I viewed the killing/neutering of most of the characters just FOX's way of saying "haha, Bryan Singer, see what convoluted shit you're going to have to put together when you finally come back to us?"

Juggernaut sucked balls, BTW. And I'd say it was good up until Xavier dies. Except I was hoping that they could continue that opening that they did for X-Men and X2. Because really, those themes and introductions helped bookend and focus the movie.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 30, 2006, 12:58:30 PM
Another thing I liked, although I'm sure Cass and RC will disagree with me, was when Magneto moves the Bridge. Although you'll say it's over the top, I was waiting for a huge set-piece like that where Magneto opens up . Whenever Magneto flies, I get chills. It's badass. 100%.

What I missed: Nightcrawler and John Ottman's score. Like the series, Ottman was developing the themes and motifs and taking them places. I would've liked to see what he had done this time around. Buuuuuut...I only have to wait a month and I'll get to hear his work in Superman Returns, which I will be in line for to help break X3's record.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 30, 2006, 01:00:23 PM
Oh, and finally... Hugh Jackman is one GODDAMN LUCKY SON OF A BITCH. To have Famke Jenssen's legs wrapped around him. Daaaaaaamn. We should all be so lucky. Although I have to say, the idea that a woman could be that sexually aggressive, I'm finding it a little harder to believe these days. Just doesn't seem possible.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Tatertots on May 30, 2006, 01:04:24 PM
Oh, yeah. Hot damn. There *are* women that aggressive, they're just never "stable".
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 30, 2006, 01:22:24 PM
The Golden Gate Bridge scene was Exhibit A of how this movie went too over the top.

I missed Nightcrawler too, and think it was a mistake to jettison him after how he was developed in the last movie. Though really, with all the other characters, where would you have put him?

Iceman vs Pyro was okay. I though Pyro was the one of the only characters that was consistant from X2 to X3.

Phoenix was pretty lame, though Famke Janssen is uber-hot. Again, they didn't take the time they should have with it.

And remember, Matt, they didn't kill off anybody they couldn't bring back. No body for Cyclops. The "REAL" Jean Grey could still be cocooned underneath the lake. Xavier is obviously still around. Plus, the last shot showing Magneto still has his powers could also bring back Mystique and Rogue. All of the actors except Halle Berry have said they would come back.

And I liked Juggernaut. I liked how they utilized him. I also enjoyed Kitty Pryde, though again, I would have liked to see her developed more.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Matt on May 30, 2006, 03:27:55 PM
I think the movie borrowed heavily from Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men series, personally. The cure and the Professor's "arrogance" - extremely out of character, needed more build-up. I'm waiting for the "Director's Cut" of X3 with all these new scenes added, similar to Daredevil's director's cut.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2008, 02:55:49 PM
I've got a real bug up my ass lately about there being too many threads on GS, so I'm putting this here.

Trailer for X-Men Origins: Wolverine (http://www.myspace.com/x-menorigins)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2008, 03:58:10 PM
And this . . .

Quote from: Variety
'X-Men' spawns family of sequels
Spinoffs will include 'First Class,' 'Deadpool'

Studios have turned summer into a playground for superheroes at the box office.

But the X-Men have quietly been waiting on the Fox lot for their turn to have some fun at the megaplex again.

When the studio releases "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" next May, it will be three years since its comicbook franchise last appeared in theaters.

Fox is looking to change that, reducing the number of years between appearances of its power-possessing mutants by developing spinoffs that lead to a new series of sequels.

Those include:


"X-Men: First Class:" Josh Schwartz, who created the teen-friendly TV shows "Gossip Girl" and "The O.C.," is penning a script, based around the conceit of the 2006 comic of the same name, that focuses on the young mutants enrolled at the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning. Books revolved around the Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel Iceman and Beast characters, which already have been featured in the three previous "X-Men" films.

"Magneto": "Batman Begins" co-scribe David S. Goyer is attached to direct the origins story of the "X-Men" arch-villain (played by Ian McKellen in the previous pics) and his relationship with Charles Xavier (Patrick Stewart). Both characters would be played by younger actors, given the earlier timeline in which the plot takes place.

And "Deadpool," which would revolve around the sarcastic mercenary played by Ryan Reynolds in "Wolverine," should the character in that pic prove popular with auds.
More than one option(Film) X-Men
(Tv) X-Men
More than one option(Person) Patrick Stewart
Narrator, Voice, Executive Producer
(Person) Patrick Stewart
Electrician
(Person) Patrick Stewart
Manager
(Person) Patrick Stewart
Editor, Assistant Editor
(Person) Patrick Alexander Stewart
(Person) Patrick Stewart
Associate ProducerMore than one option(Person) Ryan Reynolds
Actor
(Person) Ryan Reynolds
Post-Production AssistantNaturally, sequels to "Wolverine" are likely should the actioner, bringing back Hugh Jackman as the title character, become a hit.

Auds have yet to show signs of losing interest in superhero fare, especially considering that "The Dark Knight" and "Iron Man" proved some of the biggest earners of the year.

The first three "X-Men" pics have minted $1.2 billion worldwide. The worldwide grosses have gone up with each installment, with the last outing, "X-Men: The Last Stand," collecting $459 million in 2006.

Yet Fox brass are being careful to make sure they don't rush any of the pics into production.

The studio needs fans to embrace the new batch of pics it makes in order to make even more of them, as well as sell a ton of related merchandise.

Outside of "Fantastic Four," "X-Men" is Fox's only successful superhero franchise. It can't afford misfires like "Daredevil" or "Elektra," which never had follow-ups. Fox is considering a relaunch of "Daredevil" with a new pic, similar to what Marvel and Universal did with the Incredible Hulk character this summer.

If Fox doesn't act soon, it could end up in the same position as Warner Bros. which has been criticized for over-developing its superhero projects, like a sequel to "Superman Returns" or launches for such characters as Green Lantern, the Flash and Wonder Woman.

The studio picked up the license from Marvel before the comicbook company began financing its own slate of pics. Rights to "X-Men" revert back to Marvel in 2012 if pics aren't in active development.

There's certainly a lot to work with.

X-Men isn't made up of a single major character like Spider-Man, Superman or Batman, or even a small group, like the Fantastic Four, but rather a slew of charismatic mutants with a different set of powers that could each headline their own pic.

The future of the franchise essentially has been put into the hands of producer Lauren Shuler Donner, who has overseen all three "X-Men" pics to date and is shepherding "Wolverine," "First Class," (together with "Mr. and Mrs. Smith"-scribe Simon Kinberg), and "Magneto."

She's been influential in hiring indie directors not used to helming action or dealing with extensive special effects sequences. "I like taking someone out of the indie world and bringing someone into the action world because it grounds the movie," she says. "It gives it a reality. It gives it an emotional core, and then you can have as much fun and action in it as you want."

Bryan Singer tackled the first two "X-Men" pics, with Brett Ratner handling the third. Gavin Hood ("Tsotsi" and "Rendition") helmed "Wolverine."
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on March 04, 2009, 11:47:53 PM
Okay, so I'm really jazzed to see this movie. 

Now I've never read the comics, just saw a few of the cartoons and the Xmen movies.  I just watched a trailer for this and it was the first time I had even caught a hint at Wolverine and Sabertooth being brothers.  Is this in the comic book series or something made up for the movie?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 04, 2009, 11:48:52 PM
I think it's in the comics though my X-Men reading days are long past, so I could be wrong.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 04, 2009, 11:52:21 PM
Here's the trailer Sirharles speaks of:

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Nubbins on March 05, 2009, 12:38:11 AM
Oh man, this movie is going to rock.  Wolverine is the best of the X-men anyway.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 13, 2009, 09:35:46 AM
Mrs. RC and I saw this last night. Overall, it's pretty entertaining.

The first half hour of the movie is REALLY good. Like Batman Begins good. Then it falls into some goofy traps that are head scratchers, but don't comepletly ruin Wolverine. However, they do make you lament the movie it maybe could have been. I had read about tons of script and director problems on the set. (Rumor has it Richard Donner had to swoop in and save the day.) There definitely feels like some meddling was done in that middle third.

X-Men comic book geeks, look out for all sorts of Easter Eggs.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on May 13, 2009, 10:13:18 AM
I saw it the other weekend and although I liked it, it would have been nice to see a bit more of the story fleshed out.  It seemed very short to me.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 13, 2009, 10:15:17 AM
You know, I secretly disliked all the X-Men movies.  Okay, some mindless entertainment, but I was exhausted by the third one, and the thought of more of them just seem to be weighing on my soul...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 13, 2009, 11:33:38 AM
I am not a comic book geek, but I am a geek.

Please describe all easter eggs!  I saw and enjoyed the film, but don't know enough to say.

Although, I did notice Daniel Negreanu sitting at the poker table.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 13, 2009, 02:02:26 PM
Okay, some mindless entertainment, but I was exhausted by the third one

Then this one will exhaust you as well. Sirharles has a good point about fleshing out the story too. They could have had more of that and less "Let's shoehorn this X-Men character into the story."
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 10, 2011, 09:46:06 PM
Trailer for X-Men: First Class. Looks pretty good.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on February 10, 2011, 10:33:20 PM
I was going to say, "wow, a low-tech period piece based on late 60s X-men would be fantastic" but then they just blew that to hell by throwing Mystique in there and hundreds of rockets being fired Iron Man style.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on February 10, 2011, 11:44:01 PM
Well... It makes me hot, Cass.  And I am Joe Q. Pubic Hair.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on February 11, 2011, 12:49:08 PM
if they can redeem the franchise even a little after what they've done to it, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 11, 2011, 02:19:48 PM
I've developed this theory I call "Trilogy Hubris." It seems to strike superhero franchises the worst, but other film series have fallen prey to it as well. The X-Men movies are a prime example of it.

See, X-Men was just an okay movie. Not great, but not terrible either. The most admirable thing about it was it captured the mood and tone of the comic books without fucking it up. The second movie was a vast improvement in terms of story and character development, especially considering that the concept necessitates these movies being ensemble based.

Rather than continuing that trend the producers instead said, "We have to wrap everything up neatly in the third movie so we have a trilogy, especially before all the people who were under three-movie contracts demand more money and price themselves out of further sequels! Yet we also have to introduce all these great characters/villains/stories from the comics that we haven't used yet. Let's just throw a bunch of paint on a canvas and call it art! It worked for Jackson Pollack!" And so you get these insane freak out third movies that don't live up to the potential of the first two.

You saw it with Spider-Man. You got the sense that Raimi really wanted to finish off his Osborn/Goblin story using Sandman as a foil. But the execs were like, "We need Venom! And Gwen Stacy! And a big ka-blooie battle! And Tobey MacGuire acting totally stupid!"

I argue the plots of both X3 and Spider-Man 3 would have been better served by three movies, or better yet 12 - 14 episodes of a TV series, rather than one movie. The number of characters and through-lines begged for a slow, drawn out build up a'la Season 2 of True Blood.

The problem is that the comic books are monthly serials that have been going on for decades. The format and style practically demand a slow, meticulous built plot based on shifting character development. Movies are about quick, visceral reactions.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on February 11, 2011, 04:00:37 PM
I always felt the superhero genre belonged on TV and not in movies.

Of course, that's failed in the worst possible ways every single time, hasn't it?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 11, 2011, 04:50:40 PM
I agree that TV is the proper live action medium for the superhero story. Buffy was essentially a comic book story. So were Hercules and Xena to lesser extent.

Smallville, which I don't watch with any regularity, is the success story, no? At least from a critical, fan satisfaction point of view. Every god damned character in the DC universe is in that show, and they somehow make it work. The show is just now ending after ten seasons.

Superheros on TV have the same problems as sci-fi on TV: Over the long haul producing it becomes less and less cost effective as people's salary demands increase along with the need to keep the special effects up to par. It also takes a practiced hand from a writing standpoint.

In the 70s, The Incredible Hulk and Wonder Woman took the safe, non-continuity route. (Following the trend of scripted TV at the time.) WW only lasted three seasons, right? The Hulk did a bit better with five. (And was another brain child of Kenneth Johnson! How come I didn't know that before today?)

But by and large, Superheros on TV have racked up more failures than successes. Spider-Man limped through two seasons. The Flash barely made it through one, though it was a long one at 22 episodes. Dark Angel was a blip. Lois and Clark did okay, I guess.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on February 11, 2011, 06:07:20 PM
Man...and I liked the Flash, too.

But, in my dream world, we get a capable and slightly darker remake of both Greatest American Hero and Misfits of Science.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 04, 2011, 08:43:39 PM
X-Men: First Class was awesome! I'm ready to put it up there with Iron Man and Nolan's Batman movies. Seriously.

It's hands down the best X-Men movie they've made. Well written. Superbly acted. Intriguing and un-formulaic. That last bit is noteworthy considering it's for all intents and purposes a prequel/reboot. (Or to quote Ann Hornaday, "Preboot?")

Hell, if you need a reason just go for the cameos. They called up every supporting sci-fi actor from the 80s and 90s for this thing.

Matthew Vaughn (Kick Ass) directed. That kids got a future in pictures I think.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on June 05, 2011, 08:09:58 PM
Yeah, I'm hearing great things.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 12, 2011, 07:49:34 AM
So... Un-formulaic, RC? Really? This is about as formulaic as they come, from the most minor elements up to the cosmic cum shot analysis of nature vs. nurture.

It is certainly better than the last X-Men movie. It may, yes, be the best of the franchise. Which is actually quite sad. The franchise is so poorly done that we go into First Class expecting nothing and, so, are very happy that it's not a fucking embarrassment like the third movie, and much of the second, and a good portion of the first.

Vaughn's touch is clear, yes? Strangely constricted by the franchise's demands, but clear nonetheless.

So, okay... After 30 minutes I realized that I had to ignore all the rave reviews and go into this with the same attitude that the rave reviewers did -- it's going to suck balls. The reward is that the movie becomes awesome. And, in our modern era, "awesome" equals "it doesn't suck balls and physically hurt me."
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 12, 2011, 11:30:51 AM
Maybe that was it, I thought it was gong to make me want to throw up, and it was actually competent story telling.

We'll inevitably buy the DVD, so I'll reassess a few months down the line.

You make a point about Vaughn's touch too. That guy knows what he's doing with this type of story.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 12, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
Yeah... I let the hype get me. If you go into this expecting that it'll make you throw up AND it'll make your shoes fill with blood from sudden, unhealing wounds in your feet, then it's a big surprise!

You know you're going to have to bring a syringe full of some sort of tranquilizer for when I have a complete psychotic break half-way through Planet of the Apes, right?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 12, 2011, 11:48:18 AM
I'm really looking forward to the social experiment of it all.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 12, 2011, 09:03:02 PM
Right, so, this movie made me watch Kick Ass again.

Not the best decision watching First Class in the morning and Kick Ass in the evening because now I'm sitting here thinking, man, if only they let Vaughn off the leash...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on July 13, 2011, 11:03:53 PM
Why don't you both just stop?  just fucking stop!  Next year make a new year's resolution to stop buying into hype and watching absolute crap.  It's done wonders for my life.  I'm not really trying to be high and mighty, but if you start out with the attitude that "If it's worth watching I'll eventually hear about it from about 5 unrelated sources a month after it comes out and be really pleased because it was a nice surprise."  Instead of, "I spent 6 months anticipating this and wasting 30 seconds every other day reading blurbs and news about it and the only way it's going to go down easy is with four pints of popcorn butter lube.  Now I'm trying to decide whether to go in for a rape kit or not."  

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Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2011, 07:57:34 AM
Ah, the curse of piracy. It was there, I was bored... I blame RC and his rave review for the download.

But he certainly wasn't alone. This really does get into my current fear that our culture -- specifically America but, by extension, through our cultural hegemony, the world -- is dying. We're settling for less, we're accepting the attitude that we should always maintain ultra-low expectations, we're pandering to the lowest common denominator of an audience that's stupid and blind because we no longer put emphasis on education or real culture.

Hell, that last part is spreading into every aspect of our lives. We're now graduating our second (arguably third) generation of kids who were not educated properly, who were allowed to scrape by, and who don't have the brains or the interest to spend more than a few seconds on a project or story. The death of print is part of all this.

So, while I'm sure you're back from a bourbon adventure here, you're following a path I admire. Just, simply, cutting all this shit out. I've managed to do it with the news, and I've managed to do it with commercial TV. When I'm exposed to both those elements, I'm now horrified that I ever tolerated them at any point in my life.

But...well, when it comes to the raw downloadable entertainment of a Star Trek marathon or top-of-the-pirate-ship's-hold movies, I admit to a weakness.  And buying into the hype is probably my attempt to justify the weakness.

It's the attitude I went into Transformers 3 with -- and actually paid $14 for -- "It has to be done." But...why? Okay, maybe with the first Transformers just because the franchise was such a big part of my childhood.  But, fuck, fool me once...fool me twice...fool me three times... When do I finally stop and say "shame on you"?

When will all of us stop and say that?

We won't, I suppose, because roughly 70% of us are outright illiterate and have never even had a glimmer of imagination or adventure in their atrophied minds.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2011, 09:52:22 AM
I have to also admit the siren song of crap is pretty irresistible to me as well.

On a specific level though, all these big action fantasy movies that come out now are based on icons of our youth. I was a HUGE X-Men reader as a kid and would have seen it even if all the early reviews would have told me there's a chance Ill get AIDS by seeing it. We lionize the stories and characters of our youth.

As a whole though, I believe there's really nothing new under the sun and all these superhero movies are really variations of the same story. I get that. The thing is, I like that story. The same way I like the Faust story that's been told over and over for centuries.

My feeling is that as long as we don't mistake these movies for high art, there's nothing wrong with indulging the sweet tooth.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Cassander on July 14, 2011, 09:57:12 AM
In a way it's not a huge cultural thing or an ideological thing or whatever.  The movies you're kind of soul-searching about are geared towards a certain audience, namely kids, teens, and 20 somethings.  Past a certain point I think we all lose the ability to complain about something because we're outside the demographic.  "Oh, I didn't impress you, grandpa?  Let me try to do better next time and make an emotionally satisfying movie that teens will find boring."

Plus, aside from all that, even though it has seemed constant, we are in the second era of contemporary comics/geek culture/whatever you want to call it movies.  In the late 90s and early 2000s it was about finding new source material.  But there was some free reign there.  In today's world Hollywood is suffering through this on-again-off-again economy and everything HAS to make hundreds of millions of dollars.  All they want are sure bets.  

So, yeah, just realize you're not the target and wait for stuff to find you.  
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
I loved First Class and I loved the Singer X-Men movies so "win" all around as far as I'm concerned.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/30/bryan-singer-directing-x-men-days-of-future-past/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/30/bryan-singer-directing-x-men-days-of-future-past/)

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Bryan Singer will direct 'X-Men: Days of Future Past'

Like a wayward Wolverine, Bryan Singer is returning to the X-Men fold, closing a deal Tuesday to direct the next film in the franchise, X-Men: Days of Future Past, EW has confirmed. He replaces X-Men: First Class director Matthew Vaughn, who stepped back from the director’s chair last week for unspecified reasons, though he will reportedly stay on as a producer and screenwriter.

After helming 2000′s X-Men and 2003′s X2 (regarded as one of the best superhero movies of the last 12 years), Singer left the franchise to make 2006′s Superman Returns for Warner Bros. He actually returned to the world of Charles Xavier and Eric Lehnsherr as a producer of X-Men: First Class, also earning a “story by” credit for the script. Days of Future Past is nominally a sequel to that film, which starred James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, and Jennifer Lawrence as younger versions of Prof. X, Magneto, and Mystique, respectively — and all three actors are expected to return for Days of Future Past. But given the prospective time-traveling comic book source material and Singer’s own comments about bringing some Marvel-style “connectivity” to the franchise, the filmmaker could be calling on some of the actors from his earlier X-Men films to make a cameo or three.

The film is due to begin production early next year, and arrive in theaters on July 18, 2014.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on November 01, 2012, 10:26:56 PM
I loved First Class, and found the other 3 movies rather bland and lacklustre in comparison.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 29, 2012, 11:35:02 AM
Nacho, I don't think you're familiar with the X-Men comic books, but this "Days of Future Past" story line is classic. It defined how the X-Men stories were told from then on out. I'm excited to see how Singer interprets it.

A primer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past)

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With Patrick Stewart and Sir Ian McKellen agreeing to reprise their roles as Professor X and Magneto in X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, it was only a matter of time before Hugh Jackman was brought back into the group fold again, too.

Hugh Jackman is in talks for Wolverine to be a part of Bryan Singer's return to the X-Men Movie Universe, according to The Hollywood Reporter, further tying the mutants of old and new together in what sure looks like one time-bending epic heading our way.

Jackman easily turned in one of the greatest cameos of all-time for X-MEN: FIRST CLASS, and considering the amount of franchise weight Jackman has been carrying for Wolverine and the X-Men between the first trilogy of films and his solo Wolverine offshoots, his participation here is a no-brainer. It's just going to be a question of how big of a role will he play in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST.

He exists in both timelines of the X-Men movies, so it's not out of the question for him to operate independently in both the dystopian future filled with Stewart and McKellen as well as the past occupied by McAvoy and Fassbender, and doing so might just ratchet DOFP up to a new level of awesome. Let's just say there a wealth of possibilities as to how Singer can play this, but getting both eras of X-Men together into one movie is easily something to get a whole lot of excited about.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on November 29, 2012, 03:01:06 PM
If it's on par with First Class, then I'm on board.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 28, 2013, 02:00:26 PM
I'm starting to get pretty friggin' stoked about this movie.

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So, Bryan Singer tweeted this today...

"Very excited to welcome #annapaquin, @ellenpage & @shawnrashmore to #XMen #DaysofFuturePast - thank you @BrettRatner for letting them live!"

Which means we should expect to see Kitty Pryde, Rogue, and Iceman in the new movie.  So far the cast is shaping up nicely.  With all these new and old characters coming together, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST is shaping up to be the most epic X-MEN yet.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on January 28, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
Watched First Class (again!) this weekend... Yeah, I'm looking forward to the next one as well.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on January 30, 2013, 10:21:03 PM
Why didn't they keep the First Class director after he did such a good job?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on January 31, 2013, 08:26:20 AM
Why didn't they keep the First Class director after he did such a good job?

Vaughn left on his own. I don't think they've reported why.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 28, 2013, 09:16:13 AM
I think there's another Wolverine thread around, but these are all X-Men movies, yes?

Anyway, this looks great. And again, after the last one... mud and shit.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 21, 2013, 03:12:39 PM
New trailer. I'm in for this.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 26, 2013, 07:19:42 PM
Merged the Wolverine thread with this one as Missus RC and I get ready to marathon all five(!) X-Men movies in preparation for The Wolverine on Sunday.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 27, 2013, 08:56:19 AM
Merged the Wolverine thread with this one as Missus RC and I get ready to marathon all five(!) X-Men movies in preparation for The Wolverine on Sunday.

So I still think the recruitment scene in First Class (where you get your only taste of Wolverine) is one of the best scenes of the series... Man. Now I want to watch First Class again.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 27, 2013, 12:10:34 PM
We did The crappy Wolverine: Origins and the first X-Men last night.

It's amazing how quaint and dated and even organic that first movie feels. I guess 2000 was thirteen years ago, but I was struck how much I felt like i was watching a movie from a bygone era. The thought that crossed my mind was how bombastic and over the top with CGI it would be if made today. They still used CGI with a modicum of restraint back then. Comparing the ADHD lunacy of the Wolverine: Origins movie with the somewhat even hand of Singer's first X-Men was shocking in a certain way. It's also obvious how much The Matrix (released a year before) influenced that first X-Men movie. It had never completely struck me before last night.

Jackman is so good though. Even when wading through that shitty Origins script, he finds ways to shine.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 27, 2013, 02:52:35 PM
Yeah, the first X-Men is strange. I felt that same way the last time I watched it, like, two years ago.

I think what I realized then (as opposed to the first few times) was the sense of loyalty to the franchise. It both feels bygone compared to what the last 13 years have done to the superhero film genre, but also echoes the same sort of deep love for the franchise that, say, Batman Begins did...and, to a lesser degree, Man of Steel.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 30, 2013, 11:24:43 AM
The Wolverine is really, really good until the last twenty minutes when a giant robot shows up and almost ruins nearly 100 minutes of pretty fine movie. I don't know who sent the email to Hollywood saying that every single movie needs a wiped out city or a giant robot (or both), but they need to stop.

I walked out of the theater yesterday thinking the ending wasn't enough to ruin the movie totally. I think I still feel that way. I think.

This has the opposite problem of the lameass Wolverine: Origins movie which starts off like gangbusters and then drives itself off a cliff at the end of the first act. Since most of that movie is shit, it's easy to not mourn what could have been. Far less so with The Wolverine.

This movie is all about simplicity, and they never try to complicate it too much. There's a slow burn of setting up the situation and all the important players. The nuts and bolts is this: Wolverine saved a guy at Nagasaki who went on to found Japan's largest tech firm. He's now dying and willing the company to his granddaughter instead of her father/his son. He calls Wolverine to him to say "goodbye." (But we know it's not just that.) Through some hinted at but unrevealed (until the stupid ending) method, Wolverine's healing powers are minimalized. Nagasaki survivor dies, and at his funeral the Yakuza show up to assassinate the granddaughter. From that point, we're treated to a pretty satisfying Bourne ripoff in which a wounded Wolverine and the grandaughter escape to the south of Japan and fall in love.

It's simple. It's intimate. And for 2/3rds of the movie, it works, which is why when they bollocks it up with the giant robot, I'm like "Really?" The giant robot does have a reason for being there and you can see it coming a mile away and while I suppose in a comic booky way it makes sense, it's not quite in line with the rest of the movie. For the first two acts though, The Wolverine, much like Nolan's first two Batman movies, is a superhero movie that doesn't feel like like a super hero movie. It feels like and old school action movie; part Death Wish and part Yojimbo.

I say check it out because it's certainly worth seeing. Just be prepared for the payoff to not quite pay off.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 30, 2013, 12:15:14 PM
I look forwarding to downloading it!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 30, 2013, 03:09:36 PM
Our marathon of the X-Men movies leading up to The Wolverine really illustrated to me how up and down these movies have been. The first one is looked at as successful just because Singer and Co. distilled forty years of multiple characters and mythology down to two hours. The second one wanted to sing a bit, but the third one and Origins just devolved into cash grabs with too many characters. Even First Class didn't hold up as nicely (though it's still the best behind X2).

It illustrates a larger problem with these blockbusters where spectacle trumps storytelling, though this summer's financial bloodbath may begin to shift that.

I've always believed you van tell good stories on a more intimate scale with these characters if you're not so intent on hedging your bets and trying to make a movie for everybody. The Wolverine sort of proves my point for me... well, until the giant robot.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 30, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
I think First Class is the most approachable of the franchise (for those folks like me who aren't at all plugged in to this particular sub culture). 
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 30, 2013, 03:18:21 PM
Wolverine is on par with First Class. They're learning.

And the viral marketing for Days of Future Past has begun.

Not a valid youtube URL
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 30, 2013, 03:46:36 PM
Fixed that link for you.

And I regret doing so. I think I have Prometheus viral marketing-related PTSD.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 30, 2013, 05:46:50 PM
The viral marketing is a tricky thing.

But the history redux they're doing is pretty cool. Sentinels at Reagan's inauguration? We all remember that.

http://www.trask-industries.com/
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Reginald McGraw on July 31, 2013, 11:55:38 AM
I went and saw this last night with the wife. I think we came to a similar conclusion as you, RC. It was kind of draggy near the end and why the giant robot?!?

I remembered something about the Wolverine's claws that I had heard from some more comic savvy friends, and wondered if they were trying to stay true to the comics there. Also, am I supposed to know who the red-haired Asian woman is?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on October 29, 2013, 10:55:58 AM
So...the trailer really, really turns me off. Maybe I'm just gunshy because Patrick Stewart and this storyline makes me think of Star Trek: Generations.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 29, 2013, 03:31:49 PM
Oh, I am firmly in the opposite camp. As a long time X-Men fan (like from my middle school years),  this presses all the right buttons.

Though the handling of the time travel paradox could be problematic...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on October 29, 2013, 03:51:41 PM
Though the handling of the time travel paradox could be problematic...

I don't even think there would be a paradox issue because the first thing I would do is see that I'm Patrick Stewart in 40 years and go, "Okay, what do you need me to do, boss?" Bang, done. World saved. Sit back and become Patrick Stewart. You may rub my head, ladies...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 30, 2013, 09:44:39 AM
I've watched this nearly ten times. So geektastic.

Though it really is a Next Gen plot, isn't it?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on October 30, 2013, 10:11:17 AM
Though it really is a Next Gen plot, isn't it?

Frighteningly so.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on October 30, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
Yeah... I'm not sold.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2013, 06:48:02 AM
So am I getting old or does the viral marketing on the new X-Men movie border on controversial?

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on December 01, 2013, 11:11:44 AM
No, just attention-whoring attempts at "shock" tv.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on December 06, 2013, 08:21:08 AM
X-Men: Apocalypse just announced for 2016. Just in case you wanted to know what your saturation point was.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 06, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
See my comments in the Spider-Man thread.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on December 06, 2013, 12:10:22 PM
Yeah, I meant to give you a nod there. I can't believe the rule is that they have to crank something out every X years simply to keep the rights. How silly... Isn't that policy sort of shooting Marvel in the foot?

Or not, I guess, until that inevitable flop you've been prophesying. At which point, who cares, because it's a trillon dollars later.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 06, 2013, 12:25:01 PM
I think I need to front page piece about superhero movies.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on December 06, 2013, 01:21:27 PM
I think I need to front page piece about superhero movies.

Yes!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 24, 2014, 04:50:19 PM
There's a five second flash cut preview thingy here that shows... well, nothing really.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/01/24/x-men-future-past-quicksilver/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/01/24/x-men-future-past-quicksilver/)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 24, 2014, 11:05:26 AM
The first trailer got me giddier actually. though I'm still there opening weekend. That said, this feels more like a Star Trek '09 timeline reboot so they can fix all the dumb shit they did in X3: The Last Stand.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2014, 10:58:09 AM
May 31 kids. We're all in for this, yes?

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on April 16, 2014, 11:38:03 AM
I am!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on April 16, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
Oh yes...Bethesda right?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on April 16, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
Has to be. Because I am the messiah.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on April 16, 2014, 12:37:16 PM
Has to be. Because I am the messiah.

I would have gone with "The Golden Child" but you dream big.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 16, 2014, 06:03:40 PM
Morning matinee?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2014, 09:12:18 PM
I've watched that latest trailer about a half dozen times today. Geekgasm.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2014, 08:12:36 AM
Morning matinee?


Yes. First showing. Followed by bloody marys!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on April 17, 2014, 09:47:22 AM
Giggidy!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on April 19, 2014, 12:10:37 PM
This looks like a narrative cluster-fuck.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 19, 2014, 01:13:42 PM
Time travel reboot is all the rage!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on April 19, 2014, 01:42:52 PM
Time travel reboot is all the rage!

So was AIDs.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2014, 05:15:51 PM
This looks like a narrative cluster-fuck.

It looks like "Hugh Jackman in Hot Tub Time Machine 2."
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 13, 2014, 12:05:55 PM
Early reviews on this new X-Men movie say it's really disciplined story telling and a welcome break from the bombast of recent superhero fare. I'm so stoked.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on May 13, 2014, 12:27:10 PM
I really am excited about this movie. 
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: monkey! on May 13, 2014, 01:02:08 PM
If it's as good as X-Men: First Class, I shall express my joy into a cup and drink it.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 13, 2014, 01:59:55 PM
And for X-Men: Apocalypse coming out in 2016.

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Speaking to Total Film, X-MEN cinemaverse producer Lauren Shuler Donner has now confirmed what many have been suspecting/expecting for some time:  Gambit has been cast, and the role has evidently been filled by Channing Tatum. 
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 21, 2014, 08:41:46 PM
Nacho, I thought you'd enjoy this snippet from EW's review of the new X-Men movie.

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Not surprisingly, the best thing about Days of Future Past is that it's heavier on the days past than future. In that sense, it's a lot like 1994's Star Trek: Generations, where even the most fervent fans of the USS Enterprise were waiting for William Shatner's Kirk to bite the dust and pass the phaser to the Next Gen posse. The Star Trek parallel isn't an idle one. In Singer's new film, one of the key themes is traveling back in time to change the course of the present. It's a movie about violating the Prime Directive. The nerdy irony is that it's Picard himself, Patrick Stewart, whose Xavier is most gung ho about rewriting history.

The reviews are near unanimously good, BTW.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 22, 2014, 12:43:02 AM
Deep Geek.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 22, 2014, 09:43:30 PM
Got tickets for a 10pm screening tonight! Old man doing the teenager thing! What am I thinking?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 23, 2014, 07:56:58 AM
Full report!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 23, 2014, 12:23:02 PM
You know the feeling; how you fall in and out of love with a TV show? It was awesome at first but over time the show has fallen into mediocrity and convolution. The story has splintered into so many seemingly unrelated parts that following the through line almost feels like a chore. You're about to give up and send it away to the "personal cancellation" file, but decide to slog through to the season finale since you're almost there anyway. Then you watch the finale and suddenly all those mediocre and confusing plot threads coalesce, and everything starts to makes sense. All of sudden not only is the show awesome again, but even the slog through the middle you endured becomes better than it was at the time because now it seems like it had purpose.

X-Men: Days of Future Past is that finale.

We spend a lot of time deconstructing these movies. We try to find the right words to explain what's good, what's bad, what works, and what doesn't. However, a word that seems to rarely come up when talking about these movies is "satisfying."  Something might work. It might be good, hell, even great. My personal favorite is finding those moments that "sing." Yet it seems like in the fantasy film genre, particularly the superhero sub-genre, we don't often say we were satisfied by the movie we saw.

Days of Future Past is satisfying. It's satisfying as it's own movie, as a sequel to both First Class and Last Stand, and as a cap to the X-Men series as a whole. Look, this thing's going to make a gajillion dollars, so there's obviously going to be more X-Men movies and spin-offs. Yet this feels like they could walk away and have come full circle. Personally, I loved every minute of it. I felt rewarded for my years of blind devotion to this extremely uneven movie series.

It's also satisfying as an alternate timeline reboot in the Star Trek '09 mold. This point is important because it's not the type of reboot that could work for every series. Time travel and alternate futures especially have always been part of the X-Men comic book canon in the same way they're integral to the world of Star Trek. Then again, the casual film fan probably doesn't know that about the X-Men. Yet the film does a really great job of making it plausible from the outset.

Without saying too much here's the plot: In a dark apocalyptic future reminiscent of The Terminator, mutants and the humans that help them have been hunted near to extinction by giant, shape-shifting, mutant detecting robots called Sentinels. A group of X-Men has stayed alive by using Kitty Pryde's (Ellen Page) ability to transfer consciousness back in time. When attacked, she sends X-Man Bishop (Omar Sy) back a few days to warn them of the attack thereby resetting the timeline.

Professor X (Patrick Stewart) hatches a plan to go back to 1973 to stop the moment that led to the development of the Sentinel program: Mystique's (Jennifer Lawrence) assassination of Sentinel inventor and mutant hater Bolivar Trask (Peter Dinklage). Mystique's DNA would eventually be bio-engineered to give the Sentinels their shape-shifting ability. Professor X wants to send his own consciousness back, but Kitty fears that it will damage his mind beyond repair. Logan/Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) is tapped to go because of his healing powers. With Kitty linked to Logan while he's back in time, she won't be able to save them from the Sentinel's next attack.

So it's a race against time for Logan in his 1973 body to find young Xavier (James McAvoy), who's now addicted to a serum that gives him back the use of his legs but saps him of his telepathy. Logan then has convince Xaiver and Beast (Nicholas Hoult) to break young Magneto (Michael Fassbender) out of the Pentagon where he's being held prisoner for assassinating JFK. THEN, he has convince these two guys who hate each other to team up and stop Mystique and reboot the timeline, the woman both of them are in love with.

I know. I know. It seems so convoluted, yet the story executed with such simplicity and clarity that even my time travel hating wife had no problem following it all. Bryan Singer has such a steady hand. We've talked before about how much of an anachronism Singer's first X-Men movie is when watched now after all the hyperactive action fantasy that's come since the turn of the century. Days of Future Past is a throwback to that. It's even paced, character-driven, with no extraneous bombast. The story is organic, and the action is causal and narrative driven. As sick as we all are of giant robots they really do have everything to do with the story here.

There's so many little nice moments. I'm loathe to mention too many of them because they're really nice to discover. Everybody has already raved up and down about Quicksilver (Evan Peters) and the prison break sequence, and I won't ruin a thing here except to say that it's an achievement for both it's technological prowess and it's sense of fun. The use of period music there (and in other places) is truly inspired. Wolverine's reentry into 1973 is wonderful. The shift in the Magneto/Mystique dynamic is poignant. McAvoy's haunted and broken Xavier is a wonder and his journey back to hero is gripping. Again, I don't want to ruin all the little moments that make this movie great.

And the ending... Man, the ending is so, so good. It retcons The Last Stand in a way that's both reverent to what happened in that movie yet also is a big fat middle finger to Brett Ratner and Fox for not waiting on Singer to wrap up his own story. This really feels like the last chapter of Singer's X-Men saga.

Could I nitpick? Probably, but I'd really be digging the rhubarb to find real flaws.  I will note there's a subtle but distinct tonal difference between Singer's take on the First Class characters and Matthew Vaughn's handle on them. Since the next movie (X-Men: Apocalypse, teased in the post-credits scene) is supposed to focus back on the First Class cast, they should put Vaughn back in the director's chair and have Singer produce and help develop the story. I can't put into words what the difference is, but once you see the movie you'll get what I mean. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, just different. We all love First Class so much I feel like I should mention it.

Hugh Jackman has said that after the next Wolverine movie, he's ready to pass the baton, and if Fox execs are smart they'll wrap his story up neatly in a way that fits into what they've done here in Days of Future Past. This really ties all seven(!) X-Men movies up in a nice bow.

Anyway, RC says check it out.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on May 23, 2014, 12:28:52 PM
I can't wait for next weekend!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 23, 2014, 12:34:37 PM
Now I want to marathon all the movies...

Also, RC, front page movie reviews like that! It's perfect!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 23, 2014, 02:54:48 PM
I can't wait for next weekend!

Is this still happening?!?  I can come if I bring the boy with me.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 23, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
I can't wait for next weekend!

Is this still happening?!?  I can come if I bring the boy with me.

Well, my Saturday is shot... But my Sunday is clear.

However, Sirharles says he's busy Sunday...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 23, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
Missus RC and I are going to the Vintage VA wine festival next Saturday.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 24, 2014, 09:09:26 AM
So...Sunday?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 26, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
I'm on a film set all day Sunday.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on September 08, 2014, 11:55:10 PM
Days of Future Past!

You know what's the most amazing thing about this franchise? It's the only one of the Marvel franchises that has grown, evolved, adapted... Spider-Man almost regressed in its fuckery, and Thor and Avengers are too self-indulgent and self-aware... But X-Men -- what we're getting now (both the Wolverine vehicle and these last two movies) is almost unrecognizable from the early movies, isn't it? And in a good way...

Oh, and I need the after-credits sequence explained to me because I was watching bad British sci fi when I was a kid instead of reading comic books.


Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on September 09, 2014, 10:01:21 AM
From what my friend told me, it's the character Apocalypse.  I've never read any of the comics so I'm not sure on that, but he's big into them.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 09, 2014, 10:41:10 AM
I'm really happy you liked it, Nacho. Hopefully it earned my glowing review.

So, yeah the character at the end is Apocalypse, supposedly the first mutant and later to become a major X-Men bad guy, even getting his own alternative timeline, the "Age of Apocalypse." He's basically a mutant Hitler with his "only the strong survive" mentality. His henchmen are an interchangeable "Four Horsemen" which have at time included various X-Men.

http://marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse_(En_Sabah_Nur) (http://marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse_(En_Sabah_Nur))

Which leads us into the next film, X-Men: Apocalypse. I'm leery, but as you say, the producers seem to have gotten there get under them here.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 24, 2014, 06:32:40 PM
After announcing this week that Bryan Singer is officially back in the director's chair, they've already started viral marketing for X-Men: Apocalypse.


Though my faith was renewed by Days of Future Past, I'm also uncertain about moving forward.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on September 25, 2014, 08:10:28 AM
I'm uncertain if we can cope with two years of relentless viral marketing and not form a lynch mob.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 24, 2014, 05:44:04 PM
After some real distance from Days of Future Past, I'm not very optimistic about the next X-Men outing. Part of it is that since Marvel has rejected the X-Men because they know they're not getting the rights back from Fox anytime soon, Fox isn't beholden to any mega plan and the universe remains insular. And because Days of Future Past was just so satisfying in bringing the series full circle, I'm somehow okay with wherever they go.

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/x-men/33096/x-men-apocalypse-oscar-isaac-to-play-apocalypse (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/x-men/33096/x-men-apocalypse-oscar-isaac-to-play-apocalypse)

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X-Men Apocalypse: Oscar Isaac to play Apocalypse

Big news: Oscar Isaac will jump from Star Wars to X-Men, as he lands the role of major villain Apocalypse...

Here's some big breaking news: Bryan Singer's upcoming X-Men film has found its villain.

X-Men: Apocalypse, which goes before the cameras next spring, will see Singer reunite the X-Men: First Class and X-Men: Days Of Future Past cast for what may be their final adventure. And as part and parcel of that, James McAvoy, Jennifer Lawrence and co will be facing off against Apocalypse.

Apocalypse is a role that had been linked to Tom Hardy in recent weeks, but as it turns out, the part has gone somewhere else. Instead, Oscar Isaac - who's recently finished work on Star Wars: The Force Awakens - is to take on the part. It's a done deal, we're hearing.

Isaac, best known on screen so far for the Coen Brothers' Inside Llewyn Davis, will join the cast for the film, which is set for release on May 27th 2016.

More as we hear it...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 06, 2015, 10:27:25 AM
So... "17 more minutes of Anna Paquin" doesn't really sell me, guys.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 11, 2015, 01:39:21 PM
What it was "17 minutes of *naked* Anna Paquin?"
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 12, 2015, 07:54:06 AM
What it was "17 minutes of *naked* Anna Paquin?"

Didn't we just finish 6 seasons of naked Anna Paquin?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 02, 2015, 04:20:01 PM
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't super curious about this. I haven't rewatched Days of Future Past since it came out, but my love for it still stands.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on July 02, 2015, 04:28:15 PM
Oh, I'll watch it!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 24, 2015, 12:45:51 PM
Yes, Fox is going to create an FF/X-Men shared universe because Hollywood hates you.

That said, I remember kind of loving the "Days of Future Present" storyline when I read it as a kid. Granted, I was thirteen, so it may not age well. But the seed of a cool story are there. Basically, your kids come back and say, "You fucked up the future and we're paying for it." Sure, it's a sci-fi trope of the highest order, but the time travel stuff in Days of Future Past was done well, so I'm certainly willing to give it a shot.

That is, if the Fantastic Four movie doesn't suck.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/72454 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/72454)

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Is Twentieth Century Fox Planning To Unite Its X-MEN And FANTASTIC FOUR Franchises With DAYS OF FUTURE PRESENT??

Bryan Singer, director of four “X-Men” movies including the upcoming “X-Men: Apocalypse,” was asked by Yahoo! Movies about rumors that he was being pursued to oversee a first big-screen crossover between Fox’s two biggest Marvel franchises, the X-Men and The Fantastic Four.

Singer admitted he knew of one idea Fox was considering for a crossover, but offered few specifics.

“It deals a little with time," he allowed. "That’s all I’m going to say.”

This made my brain jump directly to “Days of Future Present,” Chris Claremont’s 1990 sequel to his 1981 “Days of Future Past” storyline.

In “Present,” a mutant-hunting supervillain named Ahab -- he's from the dystopian alternative future depicted in “Future Past” -- pursues the superpowered adult couple Franklin Richards (son of Reed Richards and Sue Storm) and Rachel Summers (daughter of Scott Summers and Jean Grey) into the present, where the X-Men and the Fantastic Four can lend a hand.

Singer seemed less than certain that the crossover might come in 2018, as Latino Review reported. He implies perhaps that more standalone X-Men and/or Fantastic Four movies may have to be produced to set up the crossover.

“That would be a natural mash-up because they’re both ensemble films and there is a mechanism by which to do it," said Singer. "I think to just say you're going to do it is kind of a mistake. I think you have to really see how the films evolve before you make that decision to completely commit to that, but there are those ideas in play."

"Fantastic Four" hits cinemas Aug. 7.  "X-Men: Apocalypse" arrives next May.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 11, 2015, 11:19:41 AM
I'm so obviously going to go sse this that an analysis doesn't matter. The X-Men movies are the only superhero franchise I still give a shit about.

That said, the Days of Future Past bar is so high in my mind that I'm not sure anything can reach it, much less surpass it.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 08, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
There's a small part of me that's starting to become terrified this will be awful.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 17, 2016, 10:54:57 AM
This is the first X-Men movie that I'm not all that jazzed up about. Make no mistake, I'll be there opening day. And there's no worry that it'll be awful. It just looks sort of "meh" to me. I also wonder it's because the movie is piggy-backing on one of my favorite X-Men stories of my youth and I'm somehow a little offended.

I just thought Days of Future Past was such a fitting "finale." There's no way to top that.

That said, I love the Lorde/Coldplay cover in this trailer.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2016, 02:04:24 PM
So, I need an agent. Because we're getting that much closer to a Dazzler film, and I have a treatment sitting on my computer because I'm gay.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/x-men-apocalypses-sophie-turner-reveals-dazzler-easter-egg
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2016, 02:07:46 PM
It's probably already been made.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 03, 2016, 04:25:18 PM
The final X-Men: Apocalypse trailer was released during the GS blackout. Maybe it's just the stupid Filter song, but this one got me a wee bit jazzed. I'm still keeping my expectations in the gutter though.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 04, 2016, 07:17:49 AM
J-LAW!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 04, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
She runs the X-Men now.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 04, 2016, 01:21:25 PM
She can run me, too.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 05, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
I was a serious X-Men fan growing up, and my favorite of my favorite comic books was The New Mutants. The idea was that Marvel's editors felt the "school" aspect had been lost in the X-Men's adventures, and they wanted to introduce a "junior team" of students for Xavier to teach. Out of the gate, it was dark and angsty. Here were kids just trying to be kids who had to deal with demons, aliens, and death. The magical aspect in particular is what separated from the other X-Books. It dealt highly with magical realms and demonology. (It had a very proto-Buffy vibe to it.)

The characters we're really well written through the entire run. (Well, until the end when it was decided to introduce a time traveling military leader, completely break up the team, introduce stupid new characters and make the New Mutants a team of mercenaries called X-Force.) The characters grew, which is maybe why it was somehow fitting that the characters slowly left and the status quo shifted. However, this was all done organically and natural over 100 issues.

Reading the original run of The New Mutants would be like, "Oh, that's where RC ripped off that idea from."

Overall, the X-Men movies have been made with care so I'm somewhat hopeful this will work for me. Yet I'm going to treat it like X-Men: Apocalypse and keep my expectations very low.

http://www.blastr.com/2016-5-4/new-mutants-director-may-have-revealed-fox-movie’s-team-lineup (http://www.blastr.com/2016-5-4/new-mutants-director-may-have-revealed-fox-movie’s-team-lineup)

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20th Century Fox has a New Mutants movie in the works, with director Josh Boone set to helm the superhero film, and he may have just revealed which mutant characters will be part of the team.

The Fault in Our Stars director was tapped last year to helm and co-write the screenplay for the comic book movie based on Marvel’s New Mutants comics, an X-Men spinoff featuring a group of teenaged mutants training to become superheroes. The New Mutants first appeared in 1982’s Marvel Graphic Novel #4 and were created by Chris Claremont and artist Bob McLeod.

Yesterday, Boone released individual images of each Marvel character on his Instagram account before releasing the group shot below. And, if they're anything to go by, it seems that Illyana Rasputin/Magik (Colossus’ little sister), Rahne Sinclair/Wolfsbane, Danni Moonstar/Mirage, Sam Guthrie/Cannonball, Roberto DeCosta/Sunspot and Warlock will make up the team of young superheroes from Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters. Behold!!

Of course, don’t take this as a confirmation that this is the official team lineup! But, considering these characters were part of the original team (along with Karma, who isn’t there), it seems likely these are the New Mutants we're looking for.

Add to that the recent rumor that Maisie Williams (Game of Thrones) and Anya Taylor-Joy (The Witch) had been cast as Wolfsbane and Magik -- a rumor that has been vehemently denied by Fox, you guys -- there could be a dash of truth to it.

However, I do wonder if Deadpool's Negasonic Teenage Warhead (Brianna Hildebrand) will also show up, since she's also a New Mutant in the X-Men Cinematic Universe. I guess it'll all depend as to when the New Mutants movie takes place. Food for thought.

What do you think? Do you believe this (the Instagram pic) could be the official team lineup for Fox's New Mutants movie?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 05, 2016, 12:06:14 PM
Maisie Williams is the new J-Law, eh? She'll have a starring role in five different movies/shows every year.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 05, 2016, 12:23:49 PM
Yeah, they seem to be grooming her and Sophie Turner as the next big things...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on May 06, 2016, 10:41:09 PM
And then there's this. 

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2016, 11:20:34 AM
This trailer makes me so, so happy... especially after X-Men: Apocaplypse stole all my joy. Wait have I not reviewed that on GS yet?

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on January 16, 2017, 12:56:37 PM
I'm a little excited fo "Logan"
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 16, 2017, 01:06:45 PM
Is that yours?! Dude.... That's so good.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on January 16, 2017, 01:16:51 PM
Yeah... Very nice, Sirharles.

That said, I had a dream last night that every movie ever made from now on was a superhero movie and people were going insane and committing suicide by cop so they could get away from the trailers.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on January 16, 2017, 01:32:52 PM
Is that yours?! Dude.... That's so good.

It is mine...although admittedly I had help in the form of an online tutorial.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2017, 11:13:40 AM
This is going to be all right, I think.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on January 19, 2017, 11:23:04 AM
Hmmmm....
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2017, 11:29:20 AM
This will be fitting end to the original run, I think. I never even took the time to talk about X-Men: Apocalypse, did I? Pedestrian, mediocre, and utterly forgettable is all you really need to know.

This has promise. Wolverine's solo outings have been as inconsistent as the rest of the series. The first one showed real promise for twenty minutes before going off a cliff. The second one was great until the last twenty minutes when it went off a cliff. Here's hoping this gives us one fully great movie.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on January 19, 2017, 11:58:34 AM
I like that you think this is the end. That's cute.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2017, 12:15:59 PM
I mean the end of this Hugh Jackman run. Of course they'll keep rebooting and remaking.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 22, 2017, 02:33:28 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm going to write about Logan in depth after I see it. One thing I'll talk about is what an absolute turd burger X-Men: Apocalypse was. If you include the Wolverine movies and Deadpool, you realize the X-Men series has been about as hit or miss as you can get. Though I guess overall, they're batting over .500.

I will say that Singer moving on is probably a good thing at this point. Apocalypse was such a rehash of what's come before while also being a Marvel movie template ripoff.

Anyway, they've already butchered the Dark Phoenix storyline in X-Men: The Last Stand. It works in the comic books because it was over two years/twenty issues of build-up. In a TV season, you could do it maybe, but in a two+ hour film?

I'm all for Fox keeping this out of Marvel's hands though. The X-World is so expansive that adding it to Marvel's bloated character base would just be blah.

http://collider.com/x-men-7-director-simon-kinberg/ (http://collider.com/x-men-7-director-simon-kinberg/)

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Exclusive: Simon Kinberg in Talks to Write and Direct the Next ‘X-Men’ Movie

Over the past few weeks, a lot of rumors have been going around about the next X-Men movie beyond the New Mutants film that director Josh Boone is developing. We’ve covered some of them, including how the follow-up to X-Men: Apocalypse – supposedly titled X-Men: Supernova - might start filming this June and would focus on the Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix storyline, which is a comics arc that fans have been dying to see since Bryan Singer teased it at the end of X2. It basically involves Jean Grey succumbing to her powers and transforming into Dark Phoenix, a malevolent force that brings about Grey’s downfall.

Shortly after posting that story, Sophie Turner, who was introduced as the young Jean Grey in X-Men: Apocalypse, was on a red carpet when she revealed she was “about to start shooting the next X-Men movie,” but with both New Mutants and this Supernova film rumored to be in development, it was unclear what film she was talking about.

Knowing something was happening, I started to reach out to sources to find out if a sequel to X-Men: Apocalypse was really in development and who was working on it. While many fans were let down by Apocalypse, the film still went on to make almost $550 million at the worldwide box office. Add to that, I’d argue the X-Men characters are more popular than ever after the success of Deadpool, so it would make sense for Fox to keep churning out the movies—especially after introducing a new young ensemble in Apocalypse.

Which brings us to where we are today.

After talking to multiple sources, I can report that writer/producer Simon Kinberg is looking to make his directorial debut with the next X-Men movie and he’s already written the screenplay. From what I hear, it does focus on the Dark Phoenix storyline and it’s now up to the studio if they’ll use his script and if he’ll get to direct it. At this point, I don’t have any information about casting beyond Sophie Turner.

If for some reason you’re not familiar with Simon Kinberg and his relationship to the X-Men franchise, he’s essentially the Kevin Feige of the X-Men universe at 20th Century Fox. If you look over his IMDb resume, you’ll see he’s either written, produced, or been heavily involved with X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men: Days of Future Past, X-Men: Apocalypse, Deadpool, Logan, Legion, and New Mutants. It’s pretty clear he knows these characters, and more than that, he’s helped keep the franchise moving forward as he’s worked alongside directors like Bryan Singer, Matthew Vaughn, and Tim Miller.

While I think fans have the right to be nervous about someone possibly making their directorial debut with an X-Men movie, I’d point out that Deadpool marked the directorial debut of Tim Miller, and that turned out OK. I’m actually very confident in Kinberg’s ability behind the camera. After all, he’s watched some great filmmakers up close and learned from the best, and he’s been entrenched in this X-Men universe for over a decade now.

But before we start debating Kinberg’s merits as a filmmaker, let me remind everyone what I’m reporting today is where the project currently is as I type these words. Tomorrow Fox could decide they want someone else entirely to helm the next X-Men movie or they could decide they only want to make Deadpool movies in the near future. What I’m reporting is what is accurate today, but as we know when it comes to Hollywood, everything can change in a heartbeat.

So the big question is, do you want the next X-Men movie to focus on the Dark Phoenix storyline? Do you want to continue on with these X-Men: Apocalypse characters? Sound off in the comments below.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 05, 2017, 01:59:34 PM
Off to see Logan. I'm anxious as hell.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 05, 2017, 02:22:23 PM
I expect a full trip report.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 05, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
I might have to front page this one.

Without going into details or specifics, it's everything the reviews say it is and more. It's a great film and certainly the most respectful "superhero" movie we've ever gotten. As a longtime X-Men fan (both comics and movies), I cried through most of the movie.

RC says check it out.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on March 05, 2017, 08:07:11 PM
Saw it last night.  I had high expectations for this.  It lived up to them.  In spades. 
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 06, 2017, 08:08:55 AM
I look forward to stealing it!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:03:37 PM
Liveblogging Apocalypse!

After really hoping that the entire movie was set in 3600 BC...with sci-fi witches...it looks like I'm out of luck.

So the Apocalypse Pyramid? Designed by imperial engineers from Star Wars? Also, is the implication after the prologue that the pyramid has moved to New York?

Begin the "mutants are a part of our lives and we're scared of them" intro for the 17th year running!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:05:58 PM
New hope: That JLaw wears that dress for the entire movie.


http://media.port.hu/2016/11/10/jen-lawrence-x-men-3.jpg
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:06:48 PM
Incorrect phonetic German from JLaw! But that's okay. Stay in that dress.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:11:07 PM
Little girl drinking water with gigantic deer.

Parents unconcerned.

Also, I'm totally confused about the timeline. We're somewhere between First Class and Days of Future Past? Is this a Future Past origin story? If it's after Future Past the character motivations and arcs don't make any sense at all.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:12:47 PM
Sansa Stark playing Sansa Stark with a new hairdo. Surprised they didn't run an add for GoT blu-rays along the bottom of the screen during her scenes.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:14:49 PM
Saying "Cairo, Egypt" after a shot of the pyramids made me wish this movie would just embrace its inner Naked Gun and label the city as "New York."
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
Gotta love those illegal archaeological digs for giant spaceship pyramids...on a major street in the middle of a market in the middle of a city.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:19:25 PM
This movie doesn't need the X-Men, it needs Brendan Fraser with half a dozen revolvers.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:24:06 PM
Up until last season of GoT, I was actually guilty of fast forwarding through a few Sansa Stark scenes... As I am here!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:28:13 PM
This is, like, three different movies so far. And I don't care about any of them. There's the Polish Dilemma, there's A Day in The Life During An Unspecified Period of Time That Disregards The Other Movies at the academy, there's Adventures in Cairo.

Oh! And I'm forgetting about whatever JLaw was doing. Movie D.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:33:32 PM
How come young Magneto speaks only Polish until he gets a dramatic scene, where he switches to unaccented English? Even old Magneto has an accent. Also, where are we on his timeline?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:38:27 PM
41 minutes in and we finally get a time fix! So Charles wiped everyone's mind of the events in First Class (natch), and "everything else," which I assume does not yet include Days of Future Past? Or was that our hand-wave that this movie is just a random moment and we shouldn't overthink it? And I've forgotten who this CIA Indiana Jones girl is anyway. And why do modern day Egyptians understand Apocalypse, who's speaking ancient Egyptian, but the girl he saves doesn't? And this whole CIA scene is the same as the scene with the OSS agents in Raiders! And...and....and...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:42:02 PM
Okay! So this is solidly in the 80s. And Apocalypse speaks English. So "everything else" does refer to Days of Future Past. Weird that the cataclysmic events in that movie are just shrugged off. And why do people in Egypt have Mystique calendars?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:45:54 PM
I think what's confusing me about the timeline is that didn't Mystique and Nightcrawler know each other in First Class? Or are all these movies bleeding together? And also everyone seems generally A-Okay with all the shit they've been through. Like JLaw just ambles into the academy, and Magneto's got his fake life going on...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:48:57 PM
"The only thing American about this place is that it used to be British." Oh...and it's in New York and there are a hundred or so American teenagers wandering around.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:51:44 PM
Hey, rogue maniac bad person from the most recent movie whose stated mission is against ours, would you like a tour of our top secret research lab? (We all say this to JLaw, by the way. Not surprising.)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
Confused (but not complaining) about Olivia Munn's outfit. Since JLaw has been walking around dressed like a modern day housewife with too many chores, Munn is helping me from fast forwarding.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2017, 06:01:09 PM
Looking good in that outfit is pretty much all Munn has to do.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
So on the way out of Jedi, just noting that all the movie posters and the other movie showing are from all over the 80s and not from 1983. And is that whole scene intended to tell us we're wasting our time? Also a bit of a logic gap in the argument that "without the third movie, we wouldn't have the first two." Well...you did have the first two without...then... but...what?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2017, 06:09:31 PM
This makes me so happy.

I forgive the timeline fuck-ups because the X-Men movie timeline is so irrevocably fucked up that trying to make heads or tails of it is grounds for being committed to a mental hospital for six months

That said, yes, everybody's character motivations seem to go completely against where they were at at the end of the last movie.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:11:01 PM
7th Symphony, 2nd Movement Zardoz homage!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:15:01 PM
How many times has Cerebro been destroyed? And why do all the nukes have second stage rockets? And how many times has the Academy been destroyed? Or am I confusing it with Wayne Manor?

For the record the fast moving guy is my favorite character.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
JLaw, the mutant children look up to you! Even though many of them were babies in the 70s and I doubt anyone at the academy woould even fucking whisper your name you psychopath.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2017, 06:20:59 PM
For the record the fast moving guy is my favorite character.

Quicksilver... the same character that's Elizabeth's Olson's brother who got killed in Avengers: Age of Ultron. **Brain Explodes**

The "Sweet Dreams" scene is fine I suppose, but don't you think it lacks the poetry of the "Time in a Bottle" scene from Days of Future Past.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:24:23 PM
For the record the fast moving guy is my favorite character.

Quicksilver... the same character that's Elizabeth's Olson's brother who got killed in Avengers: Age of Ultron. **Brain Explodes**

The "Sweet Dreams" scene is fine I suppose, but don't you think it lacks the poetry of the "Time in a Bottle" scene from Days of Future Past.

Oh, Time in a Bottle is probably the best scene in the franchise (haven't yet seen Logan). Sweet Dreams only exists as an homage to the other scene, of course... But, Time in a Bottle is such an amazing and fun scene that even a hackneyed homage is appreciated. It reminds me that I SHOULD be watching Days of Future Past right now.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
I sometimes randomly watch the Time in a Bottle scene on Youtube.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:27:19 PM
Magneto suffers from Terminator syndrome. He starts out evil in the franchise and then becomes the anti-hero and foil for boring Charles. So now when he goes back to being kind of a bad guy it's all sort of eye-rolly. Man, come on, Magneto. Just make out with Charles like you always end up doing!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:28:55 PM
Looking good in that outfit is pretty much all Munn has to do.

This is clearly because she's using all her strength to hold everything in. Her X power is holding her breath for the entire day's filming.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:30:15 PM
Was JLaw filming Hunger Games at the same time as this? Because she shifts into Katniss every once in a while.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:32:10 PM
Why is Apocalypse so obsessed with leveling all of the buildings? He's just going to have to rebuild everything after he enslaves the world. How about just enslave the world and stop ranting about destroying every building ever made. I mean, he's really pining to build pyramids and mud huts when he could be in the penthouse in Trump Tower?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:34:40 PM
I get that Wolverine is impervious to damage but wouldn't an endless barrage of bullets damage his Borg implants?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:37:11 PM
Wait...Wolverine doesn't know Jean Grey in the first movie, right? Or...should I not think about this timeline stuff?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:39:06 PM
CGI Copter! FLY CGI COPTER!!!! FLY!!!!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2017, 06:40:45 PM
Wait...Wolverine doesn't know Jean Grey in the first movie, right? Or...should I not think about this timeline stuff?

He doesn't. This scene is totally stupid.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:41:13 PM
Man, I've been waiting 5600 years to turn every building in New York into sand so I could build a sandstone version of the Fortress of Solitude.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:41:56 PM
PS: Olivia Munn hasn't had a single line since her outfit change. So just verifying my "she can't breathe" theory.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:43:34 PM
JLaw talking to everyone about things she did "when I was your age" seems odd. How old is her character supposed to be? Because she's a 25 year old talking to 25 year olds about the olden days.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:44:39 PM
Every time we go to the War Room full of confused generals I think of Austin Powers.

"What do you want now, Dr. Evil?"
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:45:24 PM
Also, this whole movie is an argument for the X-Men hunter/killer robots from Days of Future Past.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:46:30 PM
I can control everyone and everything... Except for Charles Xavier. However! I can briefly control him when the script demands it and in-between acts.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:47:40 PM
1980s X-plane is more advanced and useful than 2000s X-plane.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:49:29 PM
Oh, wait...this whole fucking movie is Apocalypse trying to finish his transference? Oh my god, seriously, where is Brendan Fraser?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:50:19 PM
Olivia Munn's first line...spoken in an extreme close-up. My theory holds.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:51:21 PM
Man, I love the final showdown scene of Guardians of the Galaxy! Oh, wait... What movie is this?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
Ohhhhh noooooo... It's "How Professor X lost his hair."

Please, you fucking motherfuckers. How about he just lost his hair because when we meet him he's in his late 60s?

Why in the name of the god of fuck do you have to do this?

  :fuckyou: movie
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:00:12 PM
Two hour mark. Still a half hour to go.

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Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2017, 07:02:29 PM
God, I love when you live blog.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
Can't tell the difference between apocalypse Cairo and everyday Cairo. Ha, ha.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:06:43 PM
Who can we get to write this 20 minute fight scene?

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Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:07:19 PM
Unleash your power Sansa Stark! THE NORTH REMEMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:08:26 PM
It's not gonna end. I know it's not gonna end. I'm in the fucking singularity. It's happened. Is anyone reading this? HELLO? WHERE AM I?!?!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:09:58 PM
Charles, it's me, Sansa. We now share a gigantic forehead.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:10:46 PM
OH! Now I remember the CIA girl! Thank you final scene flashbacks for refreshing my memory!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:12:25 PM
Entire planet destroyed. No mention of casualties. All fine here! Move along! Go back to your...uh...wreckage!

Jean Grey is repairing Wayne Manor and NOT the rest of the ravaged planet.

Also -- no one mention that any of this happened, okay?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:13:50 PM
So does Professor X know the future after Days of Future Past or not?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 07:18:24 PM
Oh my god...that was awful.

But...

(https://greatsociety.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgreatsociety.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2Fscottydrinking.gif&hash=5e14157213ba15a51dd866ee4436e45e)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2017, 08:13:19 PM
Don't you just feel terrible now?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2017, 07:35:10 AM
So I was thinking about the 3600 BC conspiracy against Apocalypse and how that would have involved engineers, architects, workers... They had to rig the pyramid, build the surrounding buildings just right, get the trapstone into place, conceal it.

We're talking about a conspiracy that involved maybe 200 people and took 20 years to execute, with many of the conspirators spending daily face time with a creature that can read minds.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 08, 2017, 10:54:35 AM
Is this the "guys who built death star" conversation from Clerks?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2017, 11:33:32 AM
Is this the "guy's who built death star" conversation from Clerks?

A valid conversation, by the way!

Also applies to TFA, since that planet clearly supported a diverse ecology.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 08, 2017, 11:39:56 AM
You know, I've blocked out so much of Apocalypse.

You know what sucks is the Apocalypse storyline from the comics when I was like 12 was one of my favorite X-Men stories. His whole gathering of his horsemen was way cooler. Angel was full-fledged X-Men who had his wings mangled fighting marauding mutant killer. He has to have them amputated or die which spirals him into a depression. Then he seemingly kills himself in a plane crash, when in reality Apocalypse gave him a "devil's deal" to get his wings back. Heavy shit, man.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2017, 12:54:28 PM
It really felt like a "we have to make an X-Men movie to keep the rights" thing (is that still a thing?). But that's weird because we're all in now. Why not do a JLaw-based movie? She's like Hugh Jackman. We'll just stare at her no matter how bad the movie is. Or just throw Jackman more tennis balls so he'll agree to do another Wolverine period piece.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 08, 2017, 04:51:27 PM
If you told me hell was an eternity of watching either Apocalypse or The Last Stand and I get to choose, I'd pick The Last Stand. At least it's interestingly awful.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 10, 2017, 09:20:20 AM
EDIT: So... maybe spoilers though not really anything anybody with half a brain should be shocked about.

I'm very obviously not going to write a front page piece on Logan at this point. The road to hell and all that...

I've thought about the movie every day since I've seen it though. Not to connect my personal shit to a movie thread, but the past few months have been a weird "low cycle" for me. I've been aimless, drifting, sad... Usually these depressive funks roll themselves out, but this one has been especially tenacious. Part of it is being back to quasi-unemployment / freelancing after the high happy days of sweet Army work. Part of it is the emotional fallout from my mom's death this past summer and the reality (or finality) of it sinking on a deeper level. Part of it is having made another crappy movie that isn’t even finished yet and needs lots of time, money, and love to finish. Part of it was no winter. Part of it is post-grad school blues. Part of it was just the Metro Death Cold that hung on for close to a month.

The thought that crossed my mind on the past 24 hours was that Logan, while a wonderful, engaging piece of cinema that succeeds as a movie on every level is also bleak as hell. And I'm not sure I want my escapism to cut that deep. I don't want to get too spoilerific, but I think it should be pretty obvious from the trailers, reviews, and zeitgeist that things don't exactly end well. I mean, it’s not a Requiem for a Dream ending. It’s not *that* bleak. There's a glimmer of hope. However, there is a sense of finality that most comic book stories don't have the balls to attempt.

The X-Men have been a part of my life since I was 10-years-old. I had a very large comic book collection of almost exclusively X-books that I acquired through my teens, and finally sold off in college on a whim. The movies, hopelessly uneven, have also been something of an oasis for me. It’s an important part of my upbringing and my "fantasy" life. The X-Men are to me as Doctor Who is to Nacho.

I’m not saying the dismal end of Logan has shattered me beyond belief. Far from it, though it's a very sad movie. But hey, they apparently killed Wolverine off in the comic books a few years back. I’m sure they’ll bring him back in few more. There was a time when killing off a character had weight. Ironically, it was the X-Men who gave it that when they killed off Jean Grey in 1982(?) intending to keep her dead. 

(Side note:  When the editorial decision was made to “resurrect” her five years later. it caused a firestorm in the Marvel editorial offices that almost led to Chris Claremont (then the hotshot superstar X-Men writer) to quit, and professional rifts were created that never healed. Now they kill and resurrect superhero every few months. There's something in all this killing and resurrecting that betrays a problem with death in our culture, but I'm kind of sick of talking about death.)

What I’m saying is that when life is sort of dismal, it’s really kind of shitty when the escapism is dismal too. I get it, Logan has to die. Fandom is so tenacious and the internet so petty that anything but complete finality leads to conversations about how much money it’ll take to get Jackman to do it again. (Now the conversation is focused on who will play Wolverine next, which is as equally vapid.)

Logan is a very “real” movie in terms of both aesthetic and emotion and all that is fine, even worthy. But I'm just not sure it needed be so dark and dreary and final. In the old westerns, the hero just rode off into the sunset and we had to wonder what became him. Death was assumed, but hope for a better life was there as well. Not here. And in terms of superhero comic books, which for all the talk of "maturity" and "grittiness" are really a kid's medium, that level of pathos seems... I don't know, excessive? I understand this was not a movie intended for children, but this is where I get a little kirked out over why people even want R-rated comic book movies. Deadpool was sort of lark, but it was also a comedy. (And insanely juvenile. It's R-rated violence was very much of the dick, fart, and "look at the chewed up food in my mouth" variety.) This was very adult, again in a way that I'm not sure I need my escapism to be.

I'm trying to imagine a Spider-Man movie going this emotionally dark, or even a Batman movie. (Though I'm sure fans would love that.) If our super "heroes" truly reflect the horrors of our life, and not an idealized view (a child's view) that offers us hope that at out core we're creatures of the light, well, what's the point? Maybe that's naive, but fuck, if I want death and horror, I can turn on the goddamned news.

I'm probably in the wrong here. As I said, I'm getting my own mixed up emotional life confused with the movies, but to be perfectly honest, I went to the movies to get away from all that.  Instead I found myself confronting it all. Maybe that's the point of art of storytelling, forcing the audience to confront uncomfortable truths. The older I get though, the more life gives me more than enough of those truths, so it's nice to just break away and dream.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 10, 2017, 09:50:52 AM
See, Doctor Who prepares you for this because the title character experiences a traumatic death every few years. My favorite Doctor was murdered by his arch-enemy -- pushed off of a radar dish to plummet to the ground and die writhing in agony. The First Doctor died fighting the Cybermen, the Second was recycled by his own people, the Third died of slow radiation sickness, the Fifth of poison, the Sixth essentially murdered by the TARDIS, the Seventh machine-gunned by gang members in slow motion.

I still think you should front page this discussion! Because it's an interesting moment in the screaming barrage of superhero movies. Why was Logan different? Why did it need to be different? And what is the impact going forward for the genre?

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 10, 2017, 10:31:22 AM
Maybe.

And make no mistake, I think it's a great movie. I just think these things can be great without the pathos being so deep.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 10, 2017, 11:25:49 AM
The period of malaise you describe, by the way, has had its grip on everyone. Everything is feeling off balanced and weird in all of my interactions these days. And, of course, there was also my month of sickness (I'm still not 100%), and various bad life changes in the last few months as well. There's a change coming...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 10, 2017, 11:30:28 AM
High end retrograde. I'm hoping "spring" pulls us all out of it, but man it's been bad.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 10, 2017, 11:44:01 AM
High end retrograde. I'm hoping "spring" pulls us all out of it, but man it's been bad.

I don't buy the retrograde thing. I think Trump blew our collective minds in a way they haven't really been blown (and subsequently taxed by insanity) before. Combine this with odd and unpredictable weather patterns and it's not surprising that we're all off kilter.

The current political atmosphere, especially in DC, is also worrisome since many of us know government workers who have universally been shaken up. Just about everyone I know from ordinary government to the secret stuff has been turned upside down.

There's a bit of the "There's a STOOOOORM comin'!" going on here that feels less jokey and more that there is actually a storm coming.

I have become very aware that this is an "inside the Beltway" thing. Or, at least, has been intensified inside the Beltway. Which is why we've advanced our bug-out plan.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 23, 2017, 06:17:32 PM
Bumping the X-Men thread since Nacho is watching Logan and I forgot what I said about it.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 23, 2017, 06:36:43 PM
Oh! I picked the wrong thread! Sorry. You can move my shit over if you want.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 26, 2017, 10:38:40 AM
LOL

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: Sirharles on May 26, 2017, 12:21:51 PM
I saw that...Ryan Reynolds knows how to market. 
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 13, 2017, 11:39:24 AM
X-Men nerdrage is out of control over The New Mutants trailer, but I’m all in on this.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on October 13, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
About time we got Pink Floyd in movie trailers.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
We have Deadpool shit in eight different threads because Superhero movies have eaten our souls.

That said, this made me laugh.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 07, 2018, 12:31:39 PM
First real Deadpool 2 trailer. I'll see it, but the cynic in me doubts they'll capture lightning in a bottle twice. (Though the gun bit with the blind lady made me laugh out loud.)

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 30, 2018, 01:07:59 PM
Deadpool 2 is corporatist propaganda pandering to an audience that thinks they're watching something subversive when they're just being spoon-fed an infantile R-rated reinforcement of the fascist values of superhero movies. While I get that 20th Century Fox and Marvel are not going to completely give the middle finger to the genre and it's audience, the first movie had shades of "Hey comic book geeks, you know these movies are *kind of* duping you, right?" The sequel is trying to make geeks feel like they're in on some private joke, while desperately trying to hide that fact that now *everybody* is in on the joke.

Look, I get it. You can't go to Marvel and say, "Hey, I want to make a movie that basically tells the audience how foolish they are for letting you guys shovel the the same shit into their mouths over and over." That said, if you're selling subversive, be subversive. Don't sell me punk rock then toe the company line while wearing designer ripped jeans. ("Never Mind the Bollocks" indeed.)

The Krassnerian in me is disappointed and borderline offended. Somehow I thought now that it made money and the greed mongers trusted the format that Deadpool 2 would be riskier than what came before and it was *much* safer. I was naive to think it would be the opposite.

It's a mediocre casually entertaining superhero movie, but after the first one, didn't we all think we might get something more?

If you're looking for positives: The superhero stuff is pretty good. The chick playing Domino is energized, hot, and funny. The emotional stakes were surprisingly high. (Which also makes the movie tonally uneven.) And there are two very funny satirical sequences, only one of which is *truly* subversive to the genre. But mostly, it's just the same old superhero shit with a lot of dick jokes.

RC says "meh."
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 31, 2018, 09:56:01 AM
Man, we need you on the front page with this stuff! Just briefly review movies!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 31, 2018, 12:20:15 PM
The problem is I only go to the movies once every four months.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on May 31, 2018, 03:39:26 PM
The problem is I only go to the movies once every four months.

I only go once a year!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 27, 2018, 03:28:47 PM
Sansa Stark in a remake of X3: The Last Stand. I mean, I'm a completionist so I'll see it. That said, after Days of Future Past and Logan, they should have just done a full page-one reboot... or given it back to Marvel to be Avengers-ized.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on September 28, 2018, 10:49:43 AM
I'll see it for Sansa Stark! (Like everyone else...)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 05, 2019, 06:01:39 PM
Even I don't care about the X-Men movies at this point. Talk about beating a dead horse.

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2019, 11:02:44 AM
I want the X-Men saga to be told entirely through Deadpool's POV from now on.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 17, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
They keep trying to sell me this movie, and every time I'm like:

snorebot!

Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2019, 04:00:42 PM
I'm on the Sansa Stark train! So they have my money.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 18, 2019, 11:20:49 AM
Dragons showing up would make the X-Men movies ten times better.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Movies
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2019, 10:49:05 AM
I think the real issue here is that Sansa Stark has essentially been Dark Phoenix for the last four seasons of GOT, so this feels more like a post-series TV movie than anything.