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Title: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on November 02, 2020, 04:14:27 PM
While goin' the road to sweet absentee, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet ballot box, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to my sweet booth,
A stylus in me hand and a mask on me mouth,
A doleful Biden I heard cry,
Democracy, I hardly knew ye.

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This thread renamed 11/09/20 from "RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020" to "Four Seasons Total Landscaping"

Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
Nubbins is drunk! Yay!
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 10:26:27 AM
So I'm obsessively sitting here following the news even though there won't be a decision for, like, a year at this rate...
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2020, 10:32:40 AM
I just have a bad feeling about today. I was watching a clip of Joe speaking in PA over the weekend and he had all the energy of a five-week-old mylar birthday balloon.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2020, 10:34:21 AM
I just have a bad feeling about today. I was watching a clip of Joe speaking in PA over the weekend and he had all the energy of a five-week-old mylar birthday balloon.

And I say this knowing full well that IF Biden/Harris score a W, the country is still going to be horribly divided and teetering on the brink of full out civil war.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
Yeah, I have no hope at all for today. My money is on no electoral victory and the house has to decide.

But, if Biden does pull it off, I totally agree. The man is a doddering fool. Trump will be our shadow president and he'll tear Biden to pieces from the sidelines. Nothing will get done and, essentially, Trump will campaign for four years and get more powerful.

And if Trump wins... Holy shit, that's a mandate like we haven't seen since 1930s Germany.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 11:01:17 AM
Meanwhile! Hallie Jackson in red! Which kind of makes today worth it.

Later today I'm going to take a walk and photograph all the Bethesda businesses that are boarding up because... elderly white people who push their dogs around in strollers are a potential threat...?
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 11:05:14 AM
I used to be all about the numbers and all that, but this seems so weird and pointless today. The media is doing the normal election special coverage, but hasn't, like, everyone voted already? Who are these people in line?
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
Yeah, I'm definitely not tuning into anything until tonight. It's funny but I just really have no idea what to expect.

Here is what PredictIt.org's markets are doing on the election... was going to post a screenshot but I've forgotten how.

Biden's trading at $0.63 while Trump is trading at $0.43. They have Biden winning at 290 votes to Trump's 248. They've got Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nevada, and Arizona all going for Biden. Looks like GA, FL, and Texas are still red, but they're kind of pinkish at this point. 
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
So the random aggregator site is optimistic!
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
So the random aggregator site is optimistic!

It is. I actually tend to think that it may be pretty accurate because 1) people are betting actual money, so they have some skin in the game and 2) prices are dictated by trading volume (in theory). Those two things, to me, mean it could be a pretty accurate representation of national sentiment.

Of course, I'm also assuming only political neckbeards traffic on the site, so maybe all that's out the window.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 04, 2020, 10:23:26 AM
I have a hangover. Don't tell me the results till I get an aspirin.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 04, 2020, 10:56:29 AM
My hungover, armchair, fuck-filled, I-sorta-pay-attention-to-this-shit-but-have-tuned-out-to-preserve-my-sanity take on this, so far:

1) Democrats are fuckin dumb. I have watched them, for the majority of 2020, go back to the same poisoned well they drank from in 2016 to build their campaign playbook. We're seeing it backfire a second time, what a goddamn surprise. First, they whittled a dynamic field of candidates to arguably the most boring, uninspired, milquetoast, past-his-prime, been in politics for 20% of America's short history candidate... then shoved him down our throats... again.

2) Then, taking another page from 2016's Playbook of Failure, they spend most of 2020 planting flag after flag on the moral high ground, assuming they own the goddamn thing. They assumed this would be enough to snatch a swift victory from voters exhausted by Trump. Of course, those same voters are exhausted by the left's constant and unending moral superiority complex, their flirtations with "socialism", their SNL skits and Daily Show rants. Plus voters are scared by the fact that the left has been portrayed as being OK with and empathetic toward large swaths of America literally being on fire, being looted, and running rampant with unchecked gun violence. So the vote for Trump is a vote driven by fear and probably a considerable amount of spite.

2) Any news anchor or correspondent who is scratching their head right now and saying, "But... the polls!" should be run out of town on a rail. No fuckin shit the polls. The polls were a train wreck in 2016, so why are you still paying attention to the 538 when they haven't done anything to address their failed methodology? Why does the 538 even have a website right now? Fuckin idiots.

3) Basement Biden was a mistake... for all the "Look at Joe leading by example through the pandemic!", he should have been out there going toe to toe and matching Trump's intensity instead of assuming his intensity would blow up in his face.

4) The impeachment was a huge blunder for the Democrats. Not saying it wasn't justified, but you don't bring a whiffle ball bat to the plate in a major league game. Fuckin dumb. AND they looked rushed because they were trying to blast through it quickly so all their precious senators running for the Dem nomination could be out on the campaign trail getting ready to lose to Biden instead of being tied up in a messy impeachment. Donald has literally escaped unscathed from every scandal and charge ever leveled against him... he is a man who has never been held accountable for anything... so how could the Dems be so stupid as to think they could build the world's flimsiest case against him and expect it to stick? What the fuck were they thinking? If impeachment is so serious and is such a big deal, then maybe you should look like you're taking it seriously? Fuckin idiots.

5) And of course... how can Dems take the moral high ground on the pandemic, claiming Trump slept on it or underplayed it January through March? The fuckin balls of these people, I swear. While Trump was waving his hands magically saying it would "just go away", the Dems were bogging us down with impeachment instead of preparing us for... whatever the fuck we're living in right now. So... if the pandemic is as bad as you want us to believe, then why didn't they drop everything and make it their top priority instead of trying to score political points against Trump? Oh, that's right... it was an election year.

I dunno... I'm sure I'll think of more ways to dunk on the Dems over the next few months. I know "it's not over", but I've been saying for weeks that unless Biden pulls out a landslide victory, then it's kinda over already. Trump has already put his hands on the reins in terms of steering national dialogue and the national dialogue seems to be the thing that matters anymore these days... not what the pesky laws are or whatever.

Glad I've been mentally preparing for Trump 2.0 for the last 3 months. I have no illusions that a Biden presidency would be anything remarkable or noteworthy, but was definitely hoping the volume on politics would get turned down in America after yesterday... not surprised that it won't, though.


Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 04, 2020, 10:59:15 AM
Man, that's all very well laid out.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 04, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
Arizona and likely Wisconsin to Biden  :fap:

If he wins MI, then it's over, even without PA, GA, or NC.

Everything I said above still holds true, however. Dems are dumb as fuck and this will fix very little, if anything.

I'm moving to Oregon to eat a bunch of shrooms now, bye.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 04, 2020, 04:04:03 PM
Latest "I heard" thing is that there are still 200k mail in ballots to count in GA and Trump currently has about an 87k vote lead. Not holding out much hope for us, but there is a glimmer.

Also Dems are still dumb as fuck.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 05, 2020, 10:16:13 AM
Arizona and likely Wisconsin to Biden  :fap:

If he wins MI, then it's over, even without PA, GA, or NC.

Everything I said above still holds true, however. Dems are dumb as fuck and this will fix very little, if anything.

I'm moving to Oregon to eat a bunch of shrooms now, bye.

Man, I'm so exhausted today. I'm just watching old Red Dwarf episodes with all the blinds closed.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 05, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
Man, I'm so exhausted today. I'm just watching old Red Dwarf episodes with all the blinds closed.

I feel ya. I think it's gonna be a long week/month/rest of the year.

So far, watching the dumpster fire of Trump's presidency flame out has gone pretty much as expected. Now the litigation... will America's guardrails around our electoral process hold out? Will the Gravy Seals invade Phoenix waving AR-15s and "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS" flags? Stay tuned!

Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 05, 2020, 12:57:38 PM
My bro lives in Vegas and said NV is about to release new numbers shortly.  :fap:

I have really missed this icon  :fap:
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 05, 2020, 09:12:57 PM
Fucking madness!! I havenít even watched Trumpís speech yet (Dadding), but it looks like GA and PA about to flip!

As distraught and horrible as I felt Tuesday, this slow descent into loss is kinda amazing to watch. Just hope it doesnít, you know, rip the fabric of America apart at the seams... but fuck it. Time for a goddamn BEER AMERICA! FUCK. YES.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 06, 2020, 12:25:52 AM
Trump's lead in GA is now just 1,902 votes with an estimated 14-20k left to count.

I mean, I know Joe ain't gonna win by the huge margin Dems were hoping for, but if you'd told me at any point in the last 20 years Georgia would ever be a "swing" state in a Presidential election, I'd have called you crazy.

Looks like there will be at least one, possibly two senate runoff races here in January as well.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 06, 2020, 10:08:11 AM
Aaand wake to news that GA and PA have just flipped for Biden.

 :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap:
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2020, 11:40:07 AM
We win!

Now, my new prediction: Biden steps down by next summer and Harris steps up. The progressive civil war begins.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 06, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
We win!

Now, my new prediction: Biden steps down by next summer and Harris steps up. The progressive civil war begins.

Yeah, I've heard a few people say this as well. It would be a bold move on the part of the Dems. I'm no political scientist, but it seems to me they'd need a Senate majority to even think about it.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2020, 12:18:29 PM
We win!

Now, my new prediction: Biden steps down by next summer and Harris steps up. The progressive civil war begins.

Yeah, I've heard a few people say this as well. It would be a bold move on the part of the Dems. I'm no political scientist, but it seems to me they'd need a Senate majority to even think about it.

If he willingly resigns, or is diagnosed with something, there's nothing they can do.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 06, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
We win!

Now, my new prediction: Biden steps down by next summer and Harris steps up. The progressive civil war begins.

Yeah, I've heard a few people say this as well. It would be a bold move on the part of the Dems. I'm no political scientist, but it seems to me they'd need a Senate majority to even think about it.

If he willingly resigns, or is diagnosed with something, there's nothing they can do.

Very true. Watch Biden stop wearing a mask in December and begin sniffing everyone's hair again trying to catch the rona.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on November 09, 2020, 04:32:33 PM
Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on November 10, 2020, 09:15:51 AM
Four Seasons Total Landscaping

A small part of me wished that Kate McKinnon's drunken performance on SNL was actually clever writing instead of....actually just saying all the shit Rudy says.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on November 10, 2020, 04:37:38 PM
The layers of the Four Seasons Total Landscaping comedy onion are so dense and vast... all I have to do is just think about the name of the company and I start to giggle.

What must it be like to be in Rudy's orbit on the daily? I mean... it's gotta be like living on a different astral plane or something.

We're going to hold a press conference to talk about all the fraudulent voting that we've found but we can't actually find the right Four Seasons. Also we brought a convicted sex offender as a voting fraud witness, so... you know... hard evidence.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on November 11, 2020, 11:02:49 AM
I truly hope everyone is in the know and this has all been some sort of giant prank.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 06, 2021, 05:02:44 PM
So, holy fuckin shit, today huh? Nice knowing you guys.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 07, 2021, 04:57:42 AM
So, holy fuckin shit, today huh? Nice knowing you guys.

I'm still speechless (and awake...)
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 08, 2021, 01:21:24 PM
Same here... still trying to wrap my head around this.

What's the over/under on Trump resigning before Jan 20? I say the odds are good, particularly if he hasn't damaged his relationship with Pence so much that he'll manage to eke out a pardon.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 09, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
Same here... still trying to wrap my head around this.

What's the over/under on Trump resigning before Jan 20? I say the odds are good, particularly if he hasn't damaged his relationship with Pence so much that he'll manage to eke out a pardon.

Oh, man, he only has 11 days left. Nothing's going to happen.

And all these assholes are planning to march again on the 20th...which will be even worse than this if they do.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2021, 09:09:41 AM
More and more this feels like a proper, organized coup. The rioters who were prepared for stronger resistance and had zip ties, the methodical way they went about this, the cops in the crowd. That one cop that's being chased is leading folks to where he thought (and there should have been) a whole bunch of cops. But then he gets up there and finds himself alone at a door that is never unguarded.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 11, 2021, 11:18:37 AM
More and more this feels like a proper, organized coup. The rioters who were prepared for stronger resistance and had zip ties, the methodical way they went about this, the cops in the crowd. That one cop that's being chased is leading folks to where he thought (and there should have been) a whole bunch of cops. But then he gets up there and finds himself alone at a door that is never unguarded.

This is what I've been saying and feeling since I watched this unfold live on Wednesday... how is it possible they got so far so fast with so little resistance? I also read this morning that rioters breached the House floor at 2:16 pm, one minute after Capitol Police had finished escorting everyone to safety.

Gallows erected outside, reports of people talking about assassinations, chants of "Hang Mike Pence"... not a good look for the MAGA crowd at all.

And why did it take so long for cops or the National Guard to show up? Who was pulling the strings there?

What was Trump doing, like... minute by minute... as this unfolded?

It's such a weird feeling... I feel like we lived through another 9/11 of sorts? That's what it feels like in my guts, anyway. I also feel conflicted... that something needs to be done now and he needs to be removed from office or forced to resign, but I'm also aware that everything needs to be set up for as smooth a transition to Biden's administration as is possible and he needs to be given space to act quickly on his priorities in the first 100 days.

I guess my fear is the longer consequences for this are held off, the more time Trump and his team/apologists/supporters have to change the narrative... although, this one's gonna be mighty tough for them to change, you know, given that they're domestic terrorists at this point.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2021, 06:38:29 PM
And now they're arresting capital hill cops and DoD officials for involvement and collusion.

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Ryan confirmed that there are approximately 10 to 15 Capitol Police officers under investigation for their behavior during the riot, but he did not have specific details.

This was a fucking organized coup.

When that bitch got shot through the throat, the rioters called for a medic...and had medics ready to treat her.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 13, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
And now they're arresting capital hill cops and DoD officials for involvement and collusion.

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Ryan confirmed that there are approximately 10 to 15 Capitol Police officers under investigation for their behavior during the riot, but he did not have specific details.

This was a fucking organized coup.

When that bitch got shot through the throat, the rioters called for a medic...and had medics ready to treat her.

I feel like it's going to take years for all that happened that day to come to light. None of the details that keep coming to light make this seem like just a protest... it was organized and came incredibly close to succeeding in... something.

Watching the House debate impeachment. I know it's a tired cliche, but we really do inhabit two realities in America. The fact that there are Republicans who can muster the nerve to stand up and speak out against impeachment in the interests of "unity" is just astounding to me. They're basically objecting to the rushed process of the impeachment, not the actual offenses themselves. I know I'm a biased liberal, but holy fuck... what does Trump have to do to lose their support if an attempt to violently overthrow the government isn't enough?

Also, bracing for more violence this week...  I will be amazed if we get through inauguration without more bloodshed.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 14, 2021, 09:09:44 AM
Oh, shit, I was glued to the TV all day yesterday. I couldn't believe some of the GOP. The lunatic ranting and essentially being dragged away from the podium routine is what got me.

Okay, you have a side to argue. But...does it help that side if you act like a rabid madman howling at the moon? All the Dems did these measured, sometimes impassioned speeches with time left over whereas half the GOP thought they were on The Gong Show.

And then the near party line vote. That amazed me as well. Only 10 of them broke ranks? Even their own party leaders are saying we need to "purge" Trump.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 18, 2021, 12:17:45 PM
It's all playing political chess, even something as clearly un-American as a Capitol fuckin siege. I guess it shouldn't really surprise me. All the people sticking with Trump are still betting his masses of followers will follow and bolster their own campaigns.

Trumpism is probably here to stay in some form or another, but as far as Donald's sway on it goes, I think he's toast. We'll see the GOP limp away and come back in two or four years with a Trumpist who actually knows what they're doing and that's when we'll be in real trouble. I sometimes wonder how much Trump's bumbling, self-obsessed MO on the daily actually may have saved us from the worst of the possibilities he presented had he been a competent human being. Although, 10 months into a pandemic, social unrest unlike any we've seen since the 60s, a completely devastated economy, historic unemployment, and on the brink of our second Civil War... not sure how much worse it can get.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 19, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
It's all playing political chess, even something as clearly un-American as a Capitol fuckin siege. I guess it shouldn't really surprise me. All the people sticking with Trump are still betting his masses of followers will follow and bolster their own campaigns.

Trumpism is probably here to stay in some form or another, but as far as Donald's sway on it goes, I think he's toast. We'll see the GOP limp away and come back in two or four years with a Trumpist who actually knows what they're doing and that's when we'll be in real trouble. I sometimes wonder how much Trump's bumbling, self-obsessed MO on the daily actually may have saved us from the worst of the possibilities he presented had he been a competent human being. Although, 10 months into a pandemic, social unrest unlike any we've seen since the 60s, a completely devastated economy, historic unemployment, and on the brink of our second Civil War... not sure how much worse it can get.

I have been talking to folks a lot about the fall of the Roman Republic. It all starts 40 years or so before Caesar with Sulla's dictatorship where he slowly dismantles the sharply divided Republic. His actions push the polarization (the elite vs. the common folk) to insane levels and results in a 50/50 divide in the senate, essentially crippling any progress Rome can make.

Sulla has an ignominious exit and essentially lives in sad exile, writing his memoirs, and being an occasional statesman for his extremist supporters in the Senate. His actions and precedents, though, pave the way for Caesar. i.e., that "Trumpist who actually knows what they're doing and that's when we'll be in real trouble."

All this is good news if my Roman analogy steers the course. If the American Republic fails we can look forward to an authoritarian regime that puts us in the center of a kleptocratic, culturally-genocidal empire that lasts for hundreds of years! We're, arguably, already at that stage. *hums McDonald's jingle*
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2021, 12:59:28 PM
All this is good news if my Roman analogy steers the course. If the American Republic fails we can look forward to an authoritarian regime that puts us in the center of a kleptocratic, culturally-genocidal empire that lasts for hundreds of years! We're, arguably, already at that stage. *hums McDonald's jingle*

Sorry? I couldn't hear you with this revolver in my mouth.

I can't believe the softball media coverage on this. Usually, I roll my eyes at the "I can't believe the softball media coverage on this" people, but I'm just shocked that it's mostly covered like, "Just another day in Trumpland." "He'll be gone soon." "Don't look this way. Look that way."

I'm actually pretty terrified about tomorrow. I've seen more than one comparison of the National Mall to the Baghdad Green Zone. I fear downtown DC in the 2020s is going to resemble downtown Beirut in the 1980s for the foreseeable future. I think the U.S. is about to get a (long overdue?) taste of what its like to live in one of those countries we destabilize.

I'm absolutely terrified about tomorrow.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 20, 2021, 01:21:03 PM
So I've been crying since Gaga took the stage. So far so good. All the church bells have been ringing since he was official, here in the burbs and all across the city.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 20, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
Man, that has to feel great. DC has been a city under siege for close to a year now.

I'm just happy comeptenet people are going to be running shit fro a t least a little while. It transcends politics for me almost. Just give me some actual god damned leadership.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 25, 2021, 04:41:50 PM
Jen Psaki's press conferences are so polite! I'm not used to the press secretary complimenting reporters' masks vs shouting their questions down as fake news.