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Title: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 09, 2016, 01:57:01 PM
Well, we're here folks. Might as well get used to the new abnormal.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071)

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Meet Trump's Cabinet-in-waiting

He’s expected to reward the band of surrogates who stood by him.
Trumpworld has started with a mandate to hire from the private sector whenever possible.

President-elect Donald Trump does not have the traditional cadre of Washington insiders and donors to build out his Cabinet, but his transition team has spent the past several months quietly building a short list of industry titans and conservative activists who could comprise one of the more eclectic and controversial presidential cabinets in modern history.

Trumpworld has started with a mandate to hire from the private sector whenever possible. That’s why the Trump campaign is seriously considering Forrest Lucas, the 74-year-old co-founder of oil products company Lucas Oil, as a top contender for Interior secretary, or donor and Goldman Sachs veteran Steven Mnuchin as Treasury secretary.

He’s also expected to reward the band of surrogates who stood by him during the bruising presidential campaign including Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie, all of whom are being considered for top posts. A handful of Republican politicians may also make the cut including Sen. Bob Corker for secretary of State or Sen. Jeff Sessions for secretary of Defense.

Trump's divisive campaign may make it difficult for him to attract top talent, especially since so many politicians and wonks openly derided the president-elect over the past year. And Trump campaign officials have worried privately that they will have difficulty finding high-profile women to serve in his Cabinet, according to a person familiar with the campaign’s internal discussions, given Trump’s past comments about women.

Still, two Trump transition officials said they’ve received an influx of phone calls and emails in recent weeks, as the polls tightened and a Trump White House seemed more within reach.

So far, the Trump campaign and transition teams have been tight-lipped about their picks. (The Trump campaign has declined to confirm Cabinet speculation.) But here’s the buzz from POLITICO’s conversations with policy experts, lobbyists, academics, congressional staffers and people close to Trump.

Secretary of State

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a leading Trump supporter, is a candidate for the job, as is Republican Sen. Bob Corker (Tenn.), the current chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Corker has said he’d “strongly consider” serving as secretary of State.

Trump is also eyeing former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton.

Treasury secretary

Donald Trump himself has indicated that he wants to give the Treasury secretary job to his finance chairman, Steven Mnuchin, a 17-year-veteran of Goldman Sachs who now works as the chairman and chief executive of the private investment firm, Dune Capital Management. Mnuchin has also worked for OneWest Bank, which was later sold to CIT Group in 2015.

Secretary of Defense

Among the Republican defense officials who could join the Trump administration: Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), a close adviser, has been discussed as a potential Defense Secretary. Former National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and former Sen. Jim Talent (R-Mo.) have also been mentioned as potential candidates.

Top Trump confidante retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, would need a waiver from Congress to become defense secretary, as the law requires retired military officers to wait seven years before becoming the civilian leader of the Pentagon. But Trump’s chief military adviser is likely to wind up some senior administration post, potentially national security adviser. And other early endorsers like Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) could be in line for top posts as well.

Attorney general

People close to Trump say former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, one of Trump’s leading public defenders, is the leading candidate for attorney general. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, another vocal Trump supporter and the head of the president-elect’s transition team, is also a contender for the job — though any role in the Cabinet for Christie could be threatened by the Bridgegate scandal.

Another possibility: Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, though the controversy over Trump’s donation to Bondi could undercut her nomination.

Interior secretary

Forrest Lucas, the 74-year-old co-founder of oil products company Lucas Oil, is seen as a top contender for Interior Secretary.

Trump’s presidential transition team is also eyeing venture capitalist Robert Grady, a George H. W. Bush White House official with ties to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. And Trump’s son, Donald Trump, Jr., is said to be interested in the job.

Meanwhile, a person who spoke to the Trump campaign told POLITICO that the aides have also discussed tapping Sarah Palin for Interior Secretary. Trump has said he’d like to put Palin in his Cabinet, and Palin has made no secret of her interest.

Other possible candidates include: former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer; Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin; Wyoming Rep. Cynthia Lummis; and Oklahoma oilman Harold Hamm.

Agriculture secretary

There are several names being considered by Trump aides for Agriculture secretary, according to multiple sources familiar with the transition. The president elect has a deep bench to pull from with nearly 70 leaders on agricultural advisory committee.

The most controversial name on the transition’s current short list is Sid Miller, the current secretary of agriculture in Texas, who caused a firestorm just days ago after his campaign’s Twitter account referred to Clinton as a ‘c---.‘ Miller said it was a staffer mistake and apologized.

Other names include Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback; Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman; former Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue; former Texas Gov. Rick Perry as well as Charles Herbster, Republican donor and agribusiness leader; and Mike McCloskey, a major dairy executive in Indiana, according to Arabella Advisors, a firm that advises top foundations and is closely tracking both transition efforts.

Bruce Rastetter, a major Republican donor in Iowa, and Kip Tom, a farmer who ran for Congress in Indiana this year but was defeated in the primary, are also among those being considered, Arabella said.

Other top Republican insiders expect that Chuck Connor, president and CEO of the National Council of Farmer Cooperatives, Don Villwock, president of the Indiana Farm Bureau and Ted McKinney, the current director of the Indiana Department of Agriculture in the Pence Administration, are also likely to be in the running for the post.

Commerce secretary

Trump is expected to look to the business community for this job.

Billionaire investor Wilbur Ross, a Trump economic adviser, could fit the bill. Dan DiMicco, the former CEO of steelmaker Nucor Corp and a Trump trade adviser, is another possibility.

Trump is said to also be considering former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and even New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for the job.

Labor secretary

Like many Cabinet posts under Trump, the campaign and transition staff have been looking for a CEO or executive to lead the Labor Department. One possible name being bandied about is Victoria Lipnic, the Commissioner of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission since 2010 who also served as an an assistant secretary of Labor for employment standards from 2002 until 2009. The Romney transition team reportedly also considered her for a top Labor post back in 2012.

Health and Human Services secretary

Among the names receiving buzz: Florida Gov. Rick Scott, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Ben Carson, former GOP presidential candidate. Carson has received the most attention lately for HHS, even from Trump himself.

At a recent anti-Obamacare rally, Trump went out of his way to praise Carson by calling him a "brilliant" physician. "I hope that he will be very much involved in my administration in the coming years," Trump said.

One longer shot would be Rich Bagger, the executive director of the Trump transition team and former pharmaceutical executive who led, behind-closed-doors, many of the meetings this fall with health care industry donors and executives.

Energy secretary

Continental Resources CEO Harold Hamm has long been seen as a leading candidate for Energy Secretary. Hamm, an Oklahoma billionaire who has been a friend of Trump’s for years, has been the leading influence on Trump’s energy policy during the campaign.

If Hamm passes, venture capitalist Robert Grady is also seen as a top candidate, though he could also be in line for Interior.

Education secretary

Trump has made clear the Education Department would play a reduced role in his administration — if it exists at all, as he’s suggested he may try to do away with it altogether.

The GOP nominee has also offered a few hints about who he would pick to lead the department while it’s still around. Among those who may be on the shortlist is Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who ran against Trump in the primary but later endorsed the Republican presidential candidate. Education Insider, a monthly survey of Congressional staff, federal officials and other “insiders,” said in May that Carson was Trump’s most-likely pick.

Another possible education secretary under Trump is William Evers, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution who was worked on education matters for the Trump transition team. Evers worked at the Education Department during the Bush administration and served as a senior adviser to then-Education Secretary Margaret Spellings.

Veterans Affairs secretary

The name most commonly mentioned for Veterans Affairs Secretary is House Veterans’ Affairs Chairman Jeff Miller, who’s retiring from the House and was an early Trump backer.

Homeland Security secretary

One person close to Trump’s campaign said David Clarke, the conservative Sheriff of Milwaukee County, Wis., is a possible candidate for Homeland Security Secretary. Clarke has cultivated a devoted following on the right, and he spoke at the Republican National Convention in Ohio, declaring, "Blue lives matter." Christie is also seen as a possible DHS secretary.

Environmental Protection Agency administrator

While Trump has called for eliminating the EPA, he has more recently modified that positions, saying in September that he’ll “refocus the EPA on its core mission of ensuring clean air, and clean, safe drinking water for all Americans.”

Myron Ebell, a climate skeptic who is running the EPA working group on Trump’s transition team, is seen as a top candidate to lead the agency. Ebell, an official at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, has come under fire from environmental groups for his stances on global warming. Venture capitalist Robert Grady is also a contender.

Other potential candidates: Joe Aiello is the director of the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection’s Division of Environmental Safety and Quality Assurance; Carol Comer, the commissioner of the Indiana Department of Environmental Management, who was appointed by Mike Pence; and Leslie Rutledge, the attorney general of Arkansas and a lead challenger of EPA regulations in the state.

Bryan Bender, Jeremy Herb, Connor O'Brien, Joanne Kenen, Marianne Levine, Michael Crowley, Doug Palmer, Nahal Toosi, Helena Bottemiller Evich, Zachary Warmbrodt, Ian Kullgren and Benjamin Wermund contributed to this report.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 09, 2016, 05:32:19 PM
Man...that's all disheartening.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 10, 2016, 08:41:40 AM
It's just today felt real. I think I was drifting around in a fugue state yesterday...
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 10, 2016, 02:11:13 PM
Everyone was in shock yesterday. That's like 9/12/01 too.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 10, 2016, 02:32:23 PM
Reading about Trump's visit to the White House to meet with Obama today and this last paragraph really, really bothered me.

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Breaking with longstanding protocol, reporters were not permitted to view Trump’s arrival at the White House. And the president-elect also traveled without a protective pool of reporters, who would typically follow his movements and keep Americans informed of his whereabouts and well-being in the event of a crisis.

You can read the whole report here:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-makes-first-white-house-visit-as-president-elect-180707756.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-makes-first-white-house-visit-as-president-elect-180707756.html)
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 10, 2016, 03:52:02 PM
Reading about Trump's viist to the White hHouse to meet with Obama today and this last paragraph really, really bothered me.

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Breaking with longstanding protocol, reporters were not permitted to view Trump’s arrival at the White House. And the president-elect also traveled without a protective pool of reporters, who would typically follow his movements and keep Americans informed of his whereabouts and well-being in the event of a crisis.

You can read the whole report here:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-makes-first-white-house-visit-as-president-elect-180707756.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-makes-first-white-house-visit-as-president-elect-180707756.html)

Dude, Chris Christie on the Today show this morning told Matt Lauer: "I think it's about time for you to retire. Maybe I could host the show! We'll take a look at your contract."

And to put that in context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErBHVk90B6o
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 11, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
Took 24 hours to break the first promise:


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Washington (CNN):To shape his administration, President-elect Donald Trump is drawing squarely from the "swamp" he has pledged to drain.

Trump's transition team is staffed with long-time Washington experts and lobbyists from K Street, think tanks and political offices.

It's a far cry from Trump's campaign, which ended only Tuesday night, and message that he would "drain the swamp" in Washington. He has advocated congressional term limits and proposed a "five-point plan for ethics reform" that included strengthening restrictions on lobbying, including five-year bans for members and staff of the executive branch and Congress from lobbying, and expanding the definition of lobbyist to prevent more revolving door activity.

But he has so far fully embraced lobbyists within his transition, and all signs point to a heavy influence from longtime Washington Republican circles on his transition. And with Trump mostly skipping detailed policy proposals during his campaign, they can have a powerful impact on his agenda.


Leaders in his transition include former Rep. Mike Rogers, former Reagan Attorney General and Heritage Foundation fellow Edwin Meese, former President of Heritage Edwin Feulner, former Bush administration official and lobbyist Christine Ciccone, former Dick Cheney adviser Ado Machida, former Senate Budget Committee staffer Eric Ueland and former Sen. Jeff Sessions' chief of staff Rick Dearborn. The effort is chaired by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Trump counts former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Sessions as close advisers.

Lower level staffers assigned with crafting different departments are also heavily drawn from K Street, the center of lobbying in Washington, and congressional staff, according to a staff organizational chart obtained by CNN.

Sources close to the operation say Sessions and the conservative Heritage Foundation have had a strong role in shaping the transition, in addition to staffers from the Bush administration, K Street and Capitol Hill.

At a Heritage Foundation event Thursday, John Yoo, a Berkeley Law professor and scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, got a warm reception from the crowd by cracking about the closeness.

"I'm surprised there are so many people here because I thought everyone at Heritage was working over at transition headquarters," Yoo said on the panel about Trump's win. "I asked the taxi cab driver to take me to Trump transition headquarters and he dropped me off here, instead."

The crowd let out an appreciative laugh.


Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 11, 2016, 08:40:55 AM
Meanwhile, Portland has lapsed into full on riots with "non-lethal munitions" deployed.

One of my authors is trapped at a convention in Oakland and has been tweeting/sending pictures of the (largely unreported) demonstrations there. She's terrified.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 11, 2016, 10:04:07 AM
I mean, at least wait until he gets in office. All their doing now is building ammo for when he wants to organize a Gesatpo.

Also, Nubbins is my spirit animal. He posted on FB last night in a way that articulated exactly how I feel. I already can't take the whining. The keep here is to wait and if you know it's going to go as bad as everybody thinks, *quietly* organize.

Really though, I think it needs to be about protecting each other from the ignorant racists who think they've been given full reign to posse up on black, muslim, and gay people. And waiting. Henan't deliver on this shit. Too many entrenched influences (Military, intelligence, etc.) who aren't going to go along. Trump is a one term president, unless he Palpatines this shit. And even then. Remember I said it.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 11, 2016, 11:45:15 AM
Certain birds at certain organizations have whispered to me that it's happy days again in contract land and there's already been communication from Trumplandia regarding the future of said contractors.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 11, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
Yeah, there's lots of that undercurrent in my world as well. Missus RC said the mortgage industry is looking forward to pre-Great Recession days.

I'm going to be as my big FB post says. No more media blackout, and I'm going to be open to various sources. I know "bubble" is a buzzword right now, buy there's truth to that. We live in a age of propaganda, and I think being properly informed (and level headed) is going to be important.

Though I stand by my one-term prediction if the rules are played by.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 12, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
Yeah, there's lots of that undercurrent in my world as well. Missus RC said the mortgage industry is looking forward to pre-Great Recession days.

I'm going to be as my big FB post says. No more media blackout, and I'm going to be open to various sources. I know "bubble" is a buzzword right now, buy there's truth to that. We live in a age of propaganda, and I think being properly informed (and level headed) is going to be important.

Though I stand by my one-term prediction if the rules are played by.

Your FB post is pretty much exactly what Sam Bee said on her post-election show.

As the protests spread, though, I have to admit... It's kind of fun now. I want to see what happens. I want to watch the world burn! (In a limited way.)

I'm loving how Trump is totally backpedaling. Not just the Washington insiders thing, but now he's flipping on Obamacare. God, at this rate he'll be talking about open borders before Christmas.

Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 14, 2016, 06:08:33 AM
Man...what a ride.


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Meanwhile in the president-elect's first interview, with US broadcaster CBS, Mr Trump said:

He would deport or jail up to three million illegal migrants with criminal links

Future Supreme Court nominees would be "pro-life" - meaning they oppose abortion - and defend the constitutional right to bear arms

He will not seek to overturn the legalisation of same-sex marriage

He will forgo the president's $400,000 salary, taking $1 a year instead

Interesting elements of populism there. More worrying, though, is the elevation of Priebus and Bannon, who are alt-right fuckos and proud white nationalists.

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Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), will be his chief of staff.

In this role, he will set the tone for the new White House and act as a conduit to Congress and the government.

Stephen Bannon, from the Breitbart News Network, will serve as Mr Trump's chief strategist.

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Analysis by Anthony Zurcher, BBC News, Washington

The man who built his campaign railing against The Establishment has chosen the chair of the Republican National Committee to be his chief of staff. It doesn't get much more establishment than Reince Priebus.
If there are clues to be gleaned from Mr Trump's first personnel decisions as president, it's that he's opting for a veteran party hand to manage the White House - although he's keeping an outsider devil on his shoulder in senior adviser Stephen Bannon, former head of the bomb-throwing Breitbart News.
Bringing Mr Priebus and Mr Bannon under the same roof should create some interesting tension. If correctly harnessed, the energy could provide drive to the nascent Trump administration. If things go wrong, it could tear the place apart.
Regardless of how it works out, Mr Priebus's elevation to this powerful position represents the culmination of a winning gamble for the Wisconsinite. While many in his party were urging him to abandon Mr Trump whenever his candidacy appeared on the verge of foundering, he committed - quietly, behind the scenes - to righting the ship.
It often didn't seem possible, but he succeeded - and now he has a White House office to show for it.
Elected chairman of the RNC in 2011, Mr Priebus has acted as the party's spokesman and chief fundraiser. He said it was "truly an honour" to join Mr Trump in the White House as chief of staff.
"I am very grateful to the president-elect for this opportunity to serve him and this nation as we work to create an economy that works for everyone, secure our borders, repeal and replace Obamacare and destroy radical Islamic terrorism," he added.
Correspondents say one of the big challenges of the new administration will be reconciling Mr Trump with the mainstream Republican party, where sharp divisions emerged during the primaries.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 14, 2016, 10:39:53 AM
Bannon is worrisome. Priebus less so because rebuilding relationships with the GOP proper is going to be essential to Trump getting anything done.

The GOP proper (McConnell, Ryan, and all the old boys still trying to hang on to a modicum of political power) are in a interesting place. They can use Trump's newfound status rebuild the party a bit, but in doing so they may have to shift even further right than they were, when what I think they really need to do is moderate toward the middle. I don't tinker's going to be easy for Trump, at least not at first... but if he gets the ability to have the house on his side in most things, we could be in for a long four years.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: monkey! on November 14, 2016, 11:16:23 AM
Does anybody think God Emperor Trump will do a single thing he promised so he could get elected and make his businesses rich?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 14, 2016, 11:20:22 AM
I think it'll really just be four years of reality programming.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 14, 2016, 12:16:46 PM
Blair High School (currently the largest high school in the county) just staged a walk-out. Students are marching down Route 29, blocking the road. Other high schools are joining them. That's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 14, 2016, 02:47:53 PM
Students have been marching all across Silver Spring since 10am, gathering more protesters as they go. Currently they've occupied downtown Silver Spring. State troopers have been called in to break it up.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 14, 2016, 03:56:34 PM
1.) These kids just want to skip school.

2.) They're blowing their wad. Everybody needs to relax and rest up for the big fight that's coming.

3.) What does this accomplish? Really, what do kids walking out of school as a protest accomplish?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2016, 07:40:18 AM
It was fun local news for a few hours!

It accomplished nothing. Also worth noting that they broke it up the moment there was a whisper of the police taking action.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2016, 08:15:58 AM
On this topic... The "I'm going to take civic action" is the current craze. And it's interfering with my professional life now in terms of selling books. Like I have authors who are dropping off social media to go make a change in the world... Jesus.

It's been fun watching the liberal stages of grief here:

1) Knee jerk hate posting (effect: Sort of makes Trump look good)

2) Long treatises about how we're still okay and we need to stand for our rights (effect: We stopped reading after the hate posting and, like my "Stop telling me to vote" post, you're just preaching to the choir

3) Civic Action! Either by quitting social media to go out and connect with the world, or donating to groups that may or may not be disenfranchised under Trump like Planned Parenthood, or actually taking to the streets and achieving nothing.

By the way... We've seen this before. In 2000 and 2004, Stage 4 was: Giving up and going back to being a fucking whiny armchair liberal.

 
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2016, 11:03:19 AM
Only a small percentage of people are going to do anything because we're all lazy and we've convinced ourselves that sharing whatever the latest Slate article is is solving the problem.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2016, 11:08:59 AM
Front paging my complaint tomorrow.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2016, 11:15:13 AM
I nominate "failed slacktivism" as a title.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: Nubbins on November 15, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
Hay guys. Been in a coma for a minute. What did I miss?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2016, 11:56:04 AM
Hay guys. Been in a coma for a minute. What did I miss?

We accidentally elected Monkey as president.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: monkey! on November 15, 2016, 11:55:57 PM
Hay guys. Been in a coma for a minute. What did I miss?

We accidentally elected Monkey as president.

You'd be so lucky.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 11:46:06 AM
"I plan on reinstituting prima nocta...."
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 12:16:15 PM
"I plan on reinstituting prima nocta...."

The first thing I would do.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 01:05:03 PM
So let's talk protests...

I'm fine with kids wanting to skip school to protest Trump. Doesn't bother me in the least, and it's sure better than skipping school to, say, make out with Teresa Jones from homeroom in her parents' basement. (Then again, is it?) I like the idea that these kids are being politically proactive. My own political awakening was the fall of my junior year in high school, though to be fair, we had a ticking clock working down to the January 1 beginning of the Gulf War to think about. Maybe to kids today, Trump's inauguration is the same kind of ticking clock.

That said, I also have problems with this form of protest though. Big ones.

1.) Half these kids are just skipping school to skip school, I guarantee it. I'm not *that* old. I'd say it's about the same as the electorate; 50% of Americans didn't vote, so I'd guess 50% of these high school kids don't care. They're just glad they have an excuse not to have to come up with an excuse as to why they don't have their math homework finished. Again, it's fine. Work the system. Get a day off. The kids actually cutting class bother me far less than the armchair liberals on Facebook going "Right on! So proud of these kids! This will show Trump!" Why? See point #2.

2.) What exactly are these kids showing Trump? "We refuse our education unless you step down. If you don't step down then we'll continue to, um, not educate ourselves, which will of course lead to us being uninformed and easily led by the next charismatic despot that comes along."  I accept that may be a jaded and obtuse long view. Still, I'm not sure what these kids' endgame is. That's probably because there is no endgame here. Do they really think Trump is going to go, "Oh my God! These kids are skipping school! What have I done?! Bernie Sanders, please come take my place!" There's no endgame because there's no leadership and no organization... nothing but knee-jerk reaction. Which leads me to point #3.

3.) If this level of protest can be sustained, then I'm all for kids all over the country skipping school, practicing civil disobedience, etc. However, by the time January 20 rolls around, my feeling is that schools will have cracked down, and kids will be exhausted from dealing with shit from their parents, teachers, and communities. Not only is there no endgame, there's also no *long* game. If Trump (and/or Pence) is as bad as everybody thinks, then what people really need to do is prepare for a long fight. But movies and TV have us indoctrinated to believe that everything can be wrapped up neatly in 2 hours or 13 episodes. I guess The Walking Dead is the exception, but my point is that there needs to be a long term resistance strategy in which worst case scenarios are planned for. That way when the unexpected shit happens, there's a system in place to fight it. Yes, kids. You need a system to fight a system. Do not rebel. Subvert instead.

4.) And finally: I think it's all stupid. I think we need to roll with the punches and accept we have deeper problems than an idiot getting elected president. We need to understand why this happened, and figure out how grow past it. I understand that there are real racist idiots out there committing acts of violence because Trump got elected, but I think those people are few and far between. I think most people are exhausted wage slaves who just want to work 40 hours a week so they can come home and watch Blue Bloods on Friday. They want to like a Facebook post and share a fake article and feel like they're saving the world, so they feel justified in just taking a nap. Very few people are actually going to take civic action. And more than half of those doing it now will give up when it becomes, you know, work. The anger will subside. Trump will be shoehorned by a Congress and public who hates him, and we'll get the status quo for four more years until he's reelected.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 01:33:10 PM
Oh, and, let's dispel the low voter turnout myth. 58.6% voted...and the turnout is still being tallied up. Most of the west coast hasn't been properly counted yet.  It might hit 60% this time. Maybe even more.

The voter turnout for the 2016 election is the highest since 1968.

Sources: Wiki, fivethirtyeight, electproject, Business Insider

Yes, everyone of the Fox, WaPo, national idiot news ilk are saying turnout was a 20 year low...but that was reported on Friday when only roughly 60% of the overall votes had been accurately counted and reported.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 01:40:12 PM
Hate voting. I'm shocked that so many people came out to vote for two candidates nobody liked. I assume they did it to vote against the other person rather than for the one they pulled the lever for.

Even 60% turnout means 40% of those kids give two fucks and just don't want to sit through Chemistry.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 01:43:54 PM
Oh, not disputing your conclusions. Yes, the school walkouts are dumb. Yes, they're just bored and looking for an adventure (like me!).

But I wanted to stop the low turnout thing that's currently consuming the news cycles. Accepting that, in fact, is part of the healing process. America did, indeed, speak by a (for our particular and bizarre democracy) mandate in terms of turning out to vote.

We went right down the middle, as usual. Which is the urban vs. rural battle that's kind of scarred representative democracy for the past, you know, 2500 years.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 01:47:03 PM
We went right down the middle, as usual. Which is the urban vs. rural battle that's kind of scarred representative democracy for the past, you know, 2500 years.

Read this. It'll brighten your day. And by "brighten your day," I mean "send you screaming panicked into the street before you collapse, go fetal, and simultaneously piss, shit, and vomit all over yourself."

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2403-6-reasons-why-new-civil-war-possible-terrifying.html (http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2403-6-reasons-why-new-civil-war-possible-terrifying.html)

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6 Reasons Why A New Civil War Is Possible And Terrifying
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 01:53:04 PM
Hey, Charlie warned us about this 40 years ago, man!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 01:57:10 PM
Oh man, don't get me started.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 02:06:35 PM
So, new topic...

The media is so anxious to torpedo Trump -- as we're seeing with the reports on his transition team. Trump and even those departing the rotating transition team all say things are progressing, and Trump's actually been pretty open about the hardship of such a transition. But the media is "setting him up the bomb," if you'll pardon the All Your Base meme parlance.

I'm starting to wonder who the real enemy is here -- Trump or the media? They've played Dr. Frankenstein to both his rise and, now, seemingly, fall.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 02:10:11 PM
I mean, of course the media is doing that. They always do. But in the context of protest, revolution, and anger... I think we're off target when we point at Trump. I think he's our scapegoat. We should be burning down Fox News outposts.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 02:14:38 PM
"The media is the problem" has been a theme here on GS since the beginning, no?

But, yes, they made Trump. They *loved* the ratings he brought them and accidentally got him elected president. Now they feel guilty about it. Too little, too late. Write that as an epitaph on the gravestone of humanity.

Missus RC says the solution is that we all pay for newspapers and the like so they don't have to rely on advertisers for revenue. I'm not sure it's the soundest of strategies, but making money has certainly overturned responsible journalism as the main function of most news outlets.

That said, I'm always a bit gunshy about regulating any first amendment rights. I'm a "slippery slope" guy. Trump's noise about suing journalists during the election run-up bothered me at a core level. Laws that protect bigots, liars, fear-mongers, and assholes also protect the rest of us.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
Financially supporting newspapers won't help. It's an ocean of competition out there. Rather, we should simply boycott the worst offenders and focus on international media. Don't even go to WaPo's site. Don't even give them the clicks.

We're all too hungry for the screaming headline and the soundbyte. We should be more responsible about how we approach and deal with the media.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 03:23:38 PM
You know, I think you give the media too much credit by saying that now they feel guilty. I think they're not that self-aware or capable of humanity. They created Trump, now they'll destroy him, and there's no rational cause and effect going on here. They're doing it simply because it's good headlines...and what we expect. And we do, don't we? Half of us scream "I TOLD YOU SO!" and the other half become enraged and feel betrayed. And 100% of us click-click-click-click....
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 03:33:18 PM
Financially supporting newspapers won't help. It's an ocean of competition out there. Rather, we should simply boycott the worst offenders and focus on international media. Don't even go to WaPo's site. Don't even give them the clicks.

We're all too hungry for the screaming headline and the soundbyte. We should be more responsible about how we approach and deal with the media.

I love Wa-Po.

Responsible media consumption has been something of a post-election theme, no? Yet as always, people want to blame somebody else rather than taking responsibility. They want to lay the blame squarely as Facebook's feet for allowing fake news to get to them. There's so sense of self-regulation at all. Have we lost the ability to be responsible consumers of media? Did we ever have that ability?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
I outlined how on the front page!

And WaPo is an Amazon shill. Boycott!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 05:40:02 PM
It's a great piece. I really appreciate your mention of the Southern Poverty Law Center too. I've been tooling around their website the past week myself trying to get a handle of just what the fuck is really out there. I focused on the local groups of which there are more than you'd expect in and around "liberal" DC.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2016, 05:47:55 PM
Though in terms of "call to action," this is pretty good.

http://www.holyfucktheelection.com (http://www.holyfucktheelection.com)
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 16, 2016, 11:44:52 PM
So let's talk protests...

I'm fine with kids wanting to skip school to protest Trump. Doesn't bother me in the least, and it's sure better than skipping school to, say, make out with Teresa Jones from homeroom in her parents' basement. (Then again, is it?)

It isn't. I agree with all the rest.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2016, 11:16:41 AM
All this Muslim registration talk is super-1938. Then again, it' not like Trump is springing it on people now.

Is this really what people want? Have we failed this mightily at properly teaching history? I mean, forget the education system. There's 3,000 WWII movies out there!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2016, 11:42:34 AM
All this Muslim registration talk is super-1938. Then again, it' not like Trump is springing it on people now.

Is this really what people want? Have we failed this mightily at properly teaching history? I mean, forget the education system. There's 3,000 WWII movies out there!

If you polled Americans in November of 1941, a majority would have said Hitler was good for Europe. He declared war on us, and we were famously pro-Nazi up till then (which is why we didn't get into the war until we were pushed into it and, even then, many from that generation think of it as "the Pacific War").

Glorifying the noble American cause in Europe was 100% propaganda and, now, is 100% nostalgia for that propaganda.

So, historically speaking, we're behaving normally. In response to the forced emigration of Jews from German-held territory, we immediately closed our borders to them and other victims of the emigration programs. Something like 300,000 applicants for refugee visas in the US were rejected (and around 80% of those subsequently vanished into the camps). 
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2016, 12:00:53 PM
PS -- being responsible for nearly half a million Holocaust victims shouldn't surprise you, either. After all, this nation was founded on a rather dirtily-fought revolution, after which we actively and rather cheerfully engaged in a massive genocidal pogrom against the native population for 130 years.

Even when it came to ending slavery, it took us just over 100 years to even begin to embrace the idea.

When you look at the bigger picture of who we are, as a people, it's actually quite distressing. We're not only reluctant to accept change, but we're bloodthirsty when it comes to material gain and expansion. We're also a sharply divided people in a way that goes well beyond race, class, and creed. We're split along regional lines in a way that almost seems feudal. The more sedentary we become the more we're all starting to die at the same hospital where we were born. The result is closed communities that may be larger than a 12th century village, sure, but still behave and react in the same sort of way. You see this in how we talk about various regions (e.g. "Inside the Beltway," "The Other Coast," etc.).

Even the educated and traveled fall prey to this. Generally speaking, the London of PBS and BBC America is more familiar to an urban American than, say, Ames, Iowa.   
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2016, 12:59:23 PM
That's depressing. And terrifying. And undoubtedly true.

Blah.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 18, 2016, 09:36:41 AM
One thing's for sure: Brooker's Yearly Wipe is going to be fucking epic.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 18, 2016, 10:12:45 AM
I don't know if I'll be able to watch it without sobbing.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 18, 2016, 06:21:32 PM
Apparently, this is real. Either Snopes has been hacked, we're living in a Twilight Zone episode, or my midlife crisis has infected the entire world.

(https://greatsociety.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.snopes.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F11%2Frussian-billboard.jpg&hash=5542e51a1df10c8a132a988281b46a52495e447b)

http://www.snopes.com/russian-billboard-features-trump-and-putin/ (http://www.snopes.com/russian-billboard-features-trump-and-putin/)
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 21, 2016, 11:28:59 AM
If everyone boycotts Hamilton, I might actually be able to get a ticket!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 23, 2016, 12:23:23 PM
Fun Times!

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/11/22/new-website-seeks-register-professors-accused-liberal-bias-and-anti-american-values (https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/11/22/new-website-seeks-register-professors-accused-liberal-bias-and-anti-american-values)

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Being Watched

A new website is asking students and others to “expose and document” professors who “discriminate against conservative students, promote anti-American values and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.”

The site, called Professor Watchlist, is not without precedent -- predecessors include the now-defunct NoIndoctrination.org, which logged accounts of alleged bias in the classroom. There's also David Horowitz's 2006 book, The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America. But such efforts arguably have new meaning in an era of talk about registering certain social groups and concerns about free speech.

At the same time, the new list has attracted Twitter jokesters under the hashtag #trollprofwatchlist, with complaints about Indiana Jones, Professor Plum of "Clue University," and Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter's Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, among others.

Professor Watchlist, launched Monday, is a project of Turning Point USA. The group’s mission is to “identify, educate, train and organize students to promote the principles of fiscal responsibility, free markets and limited government.” Its national college and university field program works to “identify young conservative activists, build and maintain effective student groups, advertise and rebrand conservative values, engage in face-to-face and peer-to-peer conversations about the pressing issues facing our country,” according to its website.

The group’s founder, Charlie Kirk -- a millennial who has emerged in some conservative political circles as a major player -- did not immediately respond to a request for comment about Professor Watchlist, but he promoted it on social media.

In a write-up of the project, Kirk said, “It’s no secret that some of America’s college professors are totally out of line” and that he often hears stories about “professors who attack and target conservatives, promote liberal propaganda and use their position of power to advance liberal agendas in their classroom. Turning Point USA is saying enough is enough. It’s time we expose these professors.”

Professor Watchlist

While the project invites readers to submit “tips” and “evidence” of bias, it already has profiles on scores of academics. Many of them are known for opinions that the site opposes. David Guth, an associate professor of mass communications at the University of Kansas, for instance, tweeted after the 2013 Navy Yard shooting, “The blood is on the hands of the #NRA. Next time, let it be your sons and daughters. Shame on you. May God damn you.” Saida Grundy, an assistant professor of sociology at Boston University, faced criticism in 2015 for some of her tweets about race, including, “Why is white America so reluctant to identify white college males as a problem population?” Lawrence Lessig, the Roy L. Furman Professor of Law and Leadership at Harvard University, has promoted campaign finance reform, and Robert Reich, Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley, is a vocal critic of income inequality.

Others appear to have been singled out merely for their academic work. Naomi Oreskes, a professor of the history of science at Harvard University, for example, co-wrote the critically acclaimed Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues From Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming. Her Professor Watchlist profile says she “believes scientists funded by Big Oil skewed information on global warming, much like tobacco smoking, acid rain and the ozone hole were misrepresented. Interestingly, Oreskes is not eager to adopt the low-carbon lifestyle she pushes on others.” The page links to a Breitbart.com story criticizing her work and a 2014 tweet in which Oreskes said she likes to ski in Utah (presumably she’d have to fly there). Most of the profiles thus far are similarly sourced from politically oriented blogs or Fox News.

While the views of professors on the list skew overwhelmingly to the political left, a few cut across ideological lines. Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting denier James Tracy is profiled, for example.

Some include alleged errors of fact or interpretation. Deandre Poole's profile, for example, says that the instructor of communications at Florida Atlantic University told students to "stomp" on a piece of paper on which they'd written "Jesus." Yet Poole has said the 2013 exercise came from a popular textbook manual and that the point was not for students to step on the paper, but to think about why they wouldn't want to.

Shannon Gibney, a professor of English and African diaspora studies at Minneapolis Community and Technical College, was accused of racism by two white students after talking about structural racism in class, also in 2013. She received a letter of reprimand but said the letter was later removed from her file and destroyed. Her Professor Watchlist profile says “she is a repeat offender” who “now been formally reprimanded multiple times for racial harassment.”

Gibney said via email, “If sites like this are going to promote this kind of targeting information about faculty -- particularly those who are already vulnerable, coming from historically marginalized groups in the academy -- they should at least get their facts straight. … Professor Watchlist has chosen to promote a false narrative of guilt on my part, rather than the true narrative, in which lead institutional actors realized that they had no basis on which to support the claims of racial harassment, and therefore chose to rescind them rather than face more public embarrassment.”

She added, “Many of us, particularly outspoken, progressive women of color professors, have known for quite some time now that there is an organized conservative online apparatus in place to discredit and impugn those in the academy who dare to challenge institutional racism and its ongoing corrosive legacies. This watch list is just the latest example.”

Hans-Joerg Tiede, associate secretary for tenure, academic freedom and governance at the American Association of University Professors, said the site was concerning.

“The AAUP has spoken out against organizations that conduct these kinds of activities going back to the 1920s, when it was the American Legion, through the 1980s, when it was an organization that called itself Accuracy in Academia,” he said.

The association issued a statement against the latter organization in 1985 that said, in part, “External monitoring of in-class statements not only presents the prospect that the words uttered will be distorted or taken out of context; it is also likely to have a chilling effect and result in self-censorship. … The monitoring of classrooms for an outside organization which arrogates to itself the prerogative of determining accuracy from what is reported to it … can only inhibit the process through which higher learning occurs and knowledge is advanced.”
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 23, 2016, 06:13:48 PM
Yeah. One of my authors hit by this. It's a...problem.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: monkey! on November 25, 2016, 11:13:22 PM
We live in a post-truth society.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 27, 2016, 12:06:04 AM
So... Trump is obviously getting all his policy ideas from a dystopian "Choose Your Own Adventure" book, right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/11/22/we-dont-need-the-fcc-a-trump-advisers-proposal-to-dissolve-americas-telecom-watchdog/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/11/22/we-dont-need-the-fcc-a-trump-advisers-proposal-to-dissolve-americas-telecom-watchdog/)

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‘We don’t need the FCC’: A Trump adviser’s proposal to dissolve America’s telecom watchdog

A top adviser to Donald Trump on tech policy matters proposed all but abolishing the nation's telecom regulator last month, foreshadowing possible moves by the president-elect to sharply reduce the Federal Communications Commission's role as a consumer protection watchdog.

In an Oct. 21 blog post, Mark Jamison, who on Monday was named one of two members of Trump's tech policy transition team, laid out his ideal vision for the government's role in telecommunications, concluding there is little need for the agency to exist.

"Most of the original motivations for having an FCC have gone away," Jamison wrote. "Telecommunications network providers and ISPs are rarely, if ever, monopolies."

The FCC declined to comment for this story.

But the FCC's current leadership has disagreed strongly with that analysis. Its Democratic chairman, Tom Wheeler, has spoken of an Internet service "duopoly" in much of the country that limits competition. And he has compared telecommunications to the rail and telegraph networks of the 19th century, calling for new rules of the road as the Internet becomes the dominant communications platform of the 21st century.

Trump may gut some of the most significant tech policies of the 21st century

Wheeler has used his agency to go after allegedly misbehaving companies, proposing record-setting fines against companies for slowing down "unlimited" data plans and for billing consumers for content and services they didn't ask for. He passed proactive regulations such as net neutrality to prohibit anticompetitive behavior. And, in an unprecedented step, Wheeler forced Internet providers to obey the same privacy rules that legacy phone companies must abide by when handling customer data.

Critics of the FCC have accused Wheeler of political favoritism, passing rules that appear to disproportionately benefit newer Internet companies and disadvantage big incumbent industries such as cable and telecoms. With Trump in the White House, Republicans are expected to roll back many of Wheeler's policies. In an interview Tuesday, Jamison said Wheeler has allowed politics to "infiltrate the FCC a lot more than is necessary."

"I teach regulation all over the world," said Jamison, who directs the Public Utility Research Center at the University of Florida. "The biggest fight is always to keep politics out of what's supposed to be an independent agency."

Jamison — along with Jeffrey Eisenach, the other member of Trump's tech transition team — both share ties to the American Enterprise Institute, an elite conservative think-tank in Washington. As part of the transition team, the two men are expected to meet for briefings with the FCC's current leadership. Jamison declined to comment on his role in the transition team, which began its outreach to the FCC on Monday. Eisenach, whose previous clients have included Verizon, is viewed by policy analysts as an advocate of deregulation and a proponent of large mergers in the media and telecommunications industries.

"I think both Jeff and Mark envision a significantly pared-down agency," said Hal Singer, an economist at the George Washington University's Institute for Public Policy. "In their minds, proponents of regulation must demonstrate a market failure… This is a 180-degree turn from Wheeler's FCC, which began with a presumption that markets failed."

Jamison has argued that the FCC could be replaced by a much smaller agency charged with handing out licenses for wireless airwaves — essentially acting as a traffic cop for the spectrum over which cellphone calls, mobile data and TV signals travel.

Many of the FCC's existing functions could be farmed out, Jamison wrote in the blog post. Subsidies for phone and Internet service could be handled by state governments, while the Federal Trade Commission could handle consumer complaints and take action against abuses by companies. There are some details that were not addressed in the blog post due to time constraints, Jamison said Tuesday, such as the possible need for new state-level powers to address broadband monopolies.

In another blog post last week, Jamison acknowledged that dissolving an entire federal agency would likely take "strong leadership" to overcome bureaucratic inertia and political opposition to the plan.

With the looming prospect of a 3-2 majority in favor of Republicans at the FCC, and in light of Republicans' many objections to Wheeler's tenure, it isn't hard to imagine the GOP moving swiftly to limit the FCC's authority in 2017, tweeted Berin Szoka, president of the right-leaning think tank TechFreedom.

Republicans at the commission "will absolutely rule 706 isn't a grant of authority," Szoka said, referring to Section 706, one of the FCC powers the agency used to justify its net neutrality rules.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 27, 2016, 10:56:44 AM
That'll totally change the end of Pump Up The Volume...
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on November 29, 2016, 12:55:21 PM
Well... The recount is such a sad pipe dream, but it'll be interesting. It's possible that Michigan could swing over to Hillary...but that's about it.

Meanwhile, one elector from Texas has resigned. Though the remaining electors get to choose his replacement so that won't mean anything. It is interesting to see the stress getting to the Electoral College, though. I wonder if we'll see more resignations, and even a few flips, on the 19th. Strange times.

So Trump stands at 306 Electoral votes currently. Let's see what that becomes a month from now.

Meanwhile, he continues to be Trump on Twitter and everywhere else. Sigh.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 05, 2016, 07:26:26 AM
So some yokel from North Carolina drove up here and shot up Comet Ping Pong because they believed in "Pizzagate."

Why does this feel just like Day #1?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 05, 2016, 02:20:53 PM
Because it's not even Day #1 yet?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: monkey! on December 08, 2016, 02:59:12 AM
What is this Pizzagate thing?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 08, 2016, 07:40:08 AM
What is this Pizzagate thing?

So a "fake news" story on Facebook said a local pizza joint was home to a secret cabal of Hillary worshipers who were influencing the election, and they had all this jokey evidence to back it up. It's basically on the level of an Onion article...and everyone took it seriously. This isn't the first incident at Comet, but it is the most alarming.

The place is essentially a family restaurant full of kids with a ping-pong room in the back. It's about as saccharine and innocent as they come.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: monkey! on December 11, 2016, 03:03:15 AM
And why is this a thing?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 11, 2016, 12:24:14 PM
And why is this a thing?

The fake news or gunmen shooting up a children's restaurant?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 15, 2016, 12:56:21 PM
Monday is when the Electoral College convenes. Rumors are that anywhere from 7-20 voters will switch their vote. The more optimistic pundits are suggesting that an all-out revolution may deny Trump his 270.

I think we will see some flips. I think he will go under 300... But that's all.

Either way, though...it'll be interesting!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2016, 08:47:39 PM
So, is it scary or interesting times? And is the latter somehow worse than the former?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 16, 2016, 08:35:47 AM
So, is it scary or interesting times? And is the latter somehow worse than the former?

They're the same.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 16, 2016, 03:25:09 PM
So...the FBI and CIA confirm that Russia hacked the election. Team Clinton have started screaming.

Monday's going to be an awesome news day.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 19, 2016, 10:50:37 AM
Electoral College Day is upon us! Watch the Skies!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 01:22:47 PM
Electoral College Day is upon us! Watch the Skies!

It'll be a news night!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 01:34:45 PM
Well, no unfaithfuls yet. Trump leads 74-27.

Man, just imagine if Hillary had been a human being and a good candidate.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 19, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
Man, just imagine if Hillary had been a human being and a good candidate.

I always get yelled at for bringing this up, but it's a great point. People wanted something new. (Or something that at least looked new.) The status quo is so 2004.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 01:56:30 PM
The first rogue elector!

And...it's one of Clinton's from Maine. Man. She's going to end up with even fewer votes!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 01:58:02 PM
Pennsylvania stays loyal and the public gallery erupted in violence. State troopers clearing it out.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 02:00:37 PM
Current count: Donald Trump has 125 votes; Hillary Clinton has 83.

Maine still not official.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 03:25:05 PM
A Michigan voter refused to vote for Hillary...but was replaced.

You know what I'm starting to see here? In the middle of all the screaming in the media...everyone is speaking out against Hillary, really.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 03:36:12 PM
And official. Hillary lost one of her Maine electors. He cast his vote for Sanders.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 04:10:05 PM
Maine bounced the Sanders guy and swore in someone to toe the Hillary line.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 04:16:15 PM
Okay. Well, I'm giving up. The writing's on the wall. No one's going to be allowed to change or refuse their vote -- alternates will be sworn in. So much for the Electoral College having a chance to prove that it is something worthwhile that actually has a voice and a will. This does nothing for their (and my) argument that they actually do serve an (albeit once in a lifetime) purpose.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 06:46:34 PM
Wowzers.

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Not only did it not happen, but more electors tried to defect from Hillary Clinton Monday than Trump, by a count of seven to two, as of Monday afternoon. Three Democratic electors tried to vote for Bernie Sanders instead of Clinton — one in Maine, one in Minnesota and one in Colorado. The electors' votes, however, were disallowed because of state rules binding them to the statewide popular vote winner.

Four more electors in Washington state defected from Clinton. Three voted for Colin Powell and one for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native American who gained some notoriety for her protest of the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 21, 2016, 04:18:01 PM
End times.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 01:13:31 AM
With this story, it occurs to me that we should start making popcorn for the news every night... because this is going to be a show.

I'm predicting Trump will be out of office within a year unless he totally pulls a Hitler.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-russian-spies-sex-acts-vladimir-putin-golden-shower-fsb-541315

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Trump, Russian Spies and the Infamous ‘Golden Shower Memo’

The story began making the rounds at Washington dinner parties late last summer: Donald Trump had been caught in a compromising sexual position by Russian intelligence agents during a business trip to Moscow. According to one version, told by a high ranking Obama administration diplomat, Russian intelligence services, acting on Donald Trump’s well known obsession with sex, had arranged an evening for him with a bevy of hookers, with hidden cameras and microphones recording all the action. The jaw-dropping detail that topped the story? Trump had somehow engaged in “golden showers,” a sex act involving urine. 

Now, according to a leaked annex to the combined U.S. intelligence agencies’ report on Kremlin intrigues in the American elections, Russian security agents watched Trump engaging in “perverted sexual acts” that were “arranged/monitored by the FSB,” the Kremlin’s leading spy agency. The FSB, it said, “employed a number of  prostitutes to perform a golden showers (urination) show in front of him.” Not only that, according to the report’s anonymous Russian sources, Trump deliberately chose for his escapade “the Ritz Carlton hotel, where he knew President and Mrs. Obama (whom he hated) had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia and defiling the bed where they had slept.”

The veracity of the report and its sourcing have not been verified. CNN reported only that a two-page summary of the report “was presented last week to President Barack Obama and President-elect Trump [and] included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.” It cited “multiple U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the briefings,” and said the FBI was investigating. BuzzFeed published what it said was the full, six-page report ”compiled by a person who has claimed to be a former British intelligence official.”

On Tuesday night, Trump denied the report in a Twitter post without referring to its details. "FAKE NEWS — A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!" he wrote.

Former Acting CIA Director John McLaughlin also raised a yellow flag about the report, which he said he had not yet read.

“The two things I'd like most to know are 1.) what is the chain of acquisition—it was apparently circuitous. That always holds clues on whether someone has an agenda and what that might be,” he told Newsweek in an email. “2.) Who is the author—is it someone with experience and skill at vetting sources or someone less so. Without knowing these things,” he added, “it's impossible to judge.”

If the report had merely added a fringe of kink to Trump’s recorded “bragging about kissing, groping and trying to have sex with women,” as described by The Washington Post when it unearthed a videotape last summer, the president-elect and his devoted followers might have been able to brush it off as just another eccentricity by their idol. Indeed, an earlier abbreviated version of the newly reported allegations by Mother Jones magazine Washington Bureau Chief David Corn in October, citing “a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence,” roused only passing, titillating interest.

But repackaged and expanded on by U.S. intelligence, the new report adds heft to what some fear explains Trump’s otherwise inexplicable fondness for the Kremlin, perhaps America’s leading antagonist: According to the report’s anonymous sources, “Trump's unorthodox behavior in Russia over the years provided the authorities with enough embarrassing material on the now-Republican presidential candidate to be able to blackmail him if they so wished.”

Blackmail would elevate the story from tawdry sex to national security. And the report underscored what U.S. intelligence had been saying for weeks, with far less effect: Trump “and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his democratic and other political rivals.”

CNN's report exploded like a star shell Tuesday night, throwing a blinding light on the Trump camp’s Russian connections like no other previous revelation. The cable channel cautioned that “the allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible” but had not been independently confirmed. But it added that the FBI “is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources.”

To be sure, there was a business side to the sordid revelations, according to the memo. “The Kremlin's cultivation operation on Trump,” the U.S. intelligence report said, included “offering him very lucrative real estate development business deals in Russia, especially in relation to the ongoing 2018 World Cup soccer tournament. However, so far, for reasons unknown, Trump had not taken up any of these.”

The memo also detailed Moscow’s interest in the Clintons. Reports on Hillary Clinton were “collated” by Directorate K of the FSB spy agency “for many years,” the report said, “dating back to her husband Bill's presidency.” But not much was found by bugging Clinton’s hotel rooms, the sources said: The spies recorded no “golden showers” or “unorthodox or embarrassing behavior” from countless hours eavesdropping on Clinton and her retinue. The best they could come up with was ”things she had said which contradicted her current position on various issues.”

Whether the new report has enough blasting power to permanently damage, or even derail, the incoming Trump administration remains to be seen. It may even turn out to be phony—yet another concoction by Russian intelligence to throw American politics into another round of chaos. The only thing it proves is that sex sells scandal in America like nothing else.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2017, 07:31:59 AM
I love the liberal narrative shift:

July-October: He'll never win!!! IT'S UNPOSSIBLE!

November-January: We must FIGHT! We must MARCH! Hillary got three extra votes so she's our winner! We must have better hashtags!

January-??: He'll last one year. Two, tops, before he's out of office. Because that's how the US Presidency works, right? Criminal presidents are immediately ejected from office, right?

That's basically the only conversation now. Everyone at work says one year, sitting at the Dish last night everyone (customers, staff, owners) were talking about the one-year presidency as if it's already done and in the history books.

My prediction: Trump will be fine and he'll ruin the country for 4 years like every president before him and then (maybe) he'll lose in 2020. But I'm not even 100% sure about that because the Dems don't have any strong, emerging leaders...nor will they...and uneducated, idiotic Middle America is strong, baby, strong.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 11:06:41 AM
I don't know, man. *IF* this is true man, this is Russia getting in bed with a soon to be sitting president. That's like unprecedented, right? I can't imagine he'll be allowed to stay in power if the evidence mounts. I don't think Trump will go up for treason. (Though I bet people in his campaign hang.) The "Hey, they had video of me getting peed on by Zlata the high dollar Russian whore" defense will save Trump's neck.

Uneducated middle America is deluded into thinking their coal and steel jobs are coming back and that their government subsidized health care isn't going away. The truth of those falsehoods is already starting to sink in. These Russian accusations aren't coming from some limpdick Snowden whistleblower. This seems to be the real CIA & FBI putting this shit out. *IF* it's true, and *IF* Trump gets in office and remains power, then the system really is broken.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
Well, newsflash, the system IS broken! And I've been saying this for months now -- this guy is more teflon than Reagan. Than anyone.

In his own words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2017, 11:15:16 AM
Do you think a man who tells voters prior to an election that he could go outside and gun someone down and not lose their vote will be hurt by a tiny little scandal.

80% of his voter base either (a) don't have access to a newspaper or any way to process the news beyond the evening news and (b) don't understand or care about it.

Welcome to modern America. (Not even New Orleans has an active newspaper anymore. The news as you're digesting it, RC, is, once again, ONLY playing to the urban educated elite because we're the ONLY ones actually parsing the news and comparing it to other sources).
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
By that argument, do you think his voter base is going to grab their pitchforks and "rise up" to defend this particular shyster once the shine wears off? Do you think they'll really expend the energy? Even the posh liberates jut post on Facebook while shopping for shard at Harris Teeter. It's the system fighting Trump right now, not the people.

Which means we'e doomed probably because yes, it seems broken.

On the flip side, the whole golden shower ting is starting to make it all kind of funny. It won't be funny if it turns bad (which it might quickly), but that's next week's news.

I'm also curious to what would happen if it's decided Trump is unfit for office. Does Mike Pence get the job? Since it could be proven that the whole campaign was corrupt, would get into all that arcane civics shit where Paul Ryan (Speaker often House) becomes President?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
Here, Wired supporting your counter argument and my *IF* skepticism.

This is still the big test though. If he survives this (after surviving everything else he shouldn't have), he survives anything after.

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/spy-agency-vets-read-bombshell-trump-report-caution/

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How Spy Agency Vets Read That Bombshell Trump Report: With Caution

In the hours since a private firm’s intelligence document leaked to the web, alleging 35 pages of President-elect Donald Trump’s dirty laundry—complete with corrupt ties to Russian officials, blackmail, and bodily fluids—Twitter, Facebook, and cable news have become a feeding frenzy. Taken on its face, the report contains potentially devastating revelations. But former intelligence agents see it differently: To borrow the phrase often applied to Trump himself, they’re taking it seriously, not literally.

On Tuesday evening, Buzzfeed News published what it described as a dossier on Trump compiled by a former British intelligence official. The document includes reports from unnamed sources claiming that the Kremlin has cultivated Trump as a Putin-friendly politician for the last half decade, recorded him in blackmail-worthy “perverted sexual acts,” and made secret deals with his campaign to exchange information. Other news organizations chimed in to say they had also obtained the file, but decided not to publish it because they could not confirm its claims. While Buzzfeed acknowledges that the document is unverified, it says it decided to publish it so that “Americans can make up their own minds about allegations about the president-elect that have circulated at the highest levels of the US government.”

Imperfect Intelligence

At the very least, the document is no hoax: According to CNN and the Guardian, senior intelligence officials presented a two-page summary of its contents to both Trump and President Obama. Trump, for his part, denied the report immediately and furiously. “FAKE NEWS – A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” the President-elect wrote on Twitter, in a rare all-caps missive.

But those who spent their careers in the intelligence world are reading the report with more tempered skepticism, what ex-CIA analyst Patrick Skinner describes as “interested caution.” He says he’s neither dismissing the report nor taking its claims at face value, but like other intelligence agency alums WIRED spoke to, called it “raw intelligence” that would require far more work before it can be considered useful evidence.

“I imagine a lot more will come out, and much will be nothing and perhaps some of it will be meaningful, and perhaps even devastating,” says Skinner, who now works for the Soufan Group, an intelligence consultancy. But he warns that raw intelligence—information which hasn’t been corroborated or confirmed—like this shouldn’t be released to the public, and is impossible to assess on its own. “One of the reasons why the intelligence community doesn’t release raw or even finished intelligence, to say nothing of a privately funded, untrained…source like in this case, is that people would freak out with the day-to-day drip that might not be anything once it’s placed in context and vetted with multiple sources.”

It’s really hard to tell whether any of the info is actually true, or just a very exciting and expensively produced fan-fiction novel.   Matt Tait, former GCHQ intelligence analyst.
Some former intelligence staffers are even more dubious. “Bluntly, it looks like an ex-field officer who’s got some interesting sources, but who has no idea how to compile raw HUMINT into usable intelligence,” says Matt Tait, a former staffer of Britain’s GCHQ intelligence agency. (“HUMINT” stands for “human intelligence,” information obtained from human sources, as opposed to SIGINT, or “signals intelligence,” gathered from intercepted communications.) With its sources redacted and none of the “confidence markings” intelligence agencies use to distinguish which claims are most credible, the document is tough to parse, Tait says.

“The key to usable HUMINT is distinguishing the real, highly placed sources from the bullshitting wannabes who pretend they’re highly placed sources by making shit up that fits the public facts,” says Tait. “In this case, the doc gives no indication that the company has done work to rigorously separate the two…and consequently it’s really hard to tell whether any of the info is actually true, or just a very exciting and expensively produced fan-fiction novel.”

Get To the Source

According to CNN and the Guardian, which published stories mentioning the report without releasing the document itself, the dossier’s author is someone whom US intelligence officials consider credible, with a reputation for reliability and a wide network of Russian contacts.

But just as important as the source of the report is that source’s sources, says ex-CIA analyst Aki Peritz. “We don’t know how long they’ve been reporting, if they’re verifiable, truthful sources,” says Peritz, now an adjunct professor at American University. “Absent understanding who the sources actually are and their ability to gain correct information, it’s really hard to make heads or tails out of this.”

Peritz notes, though, that the report is still useful. Some of its claims could be verified—and may have been already—with more investigation. He points, as an example, to a part of the report that alleged Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen flew to Prague in August of last year to meet with Kremlin officials. “Maybe we have a source in Prague that could pinpoint him at a specific time,” says Peritz. (Cohen, for his part, wrote on Twitter Tuesday night that he had never been to Prague, and added a photo of the cover of his passport.)

The fact that both Obama and Trump were briefed on the report in a meeting with the heads of the NSA, CIA, FBI and Office of the Director of National Intelligence suggests that US intelligence agencies at least consider its contents important, if not altogether true, says Susan Hennessey, a former NSA lawyer. Senator John McCain personally delivered a copy of the report to FBI Director James Comey in December, according to CNN. And in a hearing today, Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon pressed Comey to reveal whether the FBI was investigating Donald Trump’s ties to Russia, a tactic Wyden has used in the past to call attention to the existence of classified information without revealing it. The Guardian also reported Tuesday that the FBI had sought, and was at least temporarily denied, a warrant to monitor the communications of four Trump staffers in its investigation of their ties to Russia.

“My general take is that the intelligence community and law enforcement seem to be taking these claims seriously. That itself is highly significant. But it is not the same as these allegations being verified,” says Hennessey, who is now a fellow at the Brookings Institution. “Even if this was an intelligence community document—which it isn’t—this kind of raw intelligence is still treated with skepticism.”

The intelligence report, in other words, shouldn’t be accepted as fact. But neither should it be dismissed as fiction. As with all raw intelligence, the intelligence community’s task will be separating the two. And with its subject set to control the world’s most powerful office—and the agencies involved—in just over a week, the time left to do so may be quickly running out.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2017, 11:29:03 AM
By that argument, do you think his voter base is going to grab their pitchforks and "rise up" to defend this particular shyster once the shine wears off? Do you think they'll really expend the energy?

Are you blocking out your memory of the last 15 months? Nazi salutes, bloody battles in the streets, soundbyte-sized personal attacks... I saw more Trump flags than US flags in Louisiana.

Trump is a populist candidate who speaks directly to a 40 million strong captive audience on a backlash platform that this country has never seen before. It isn't his shine they're following.

In response to what we're talking about, Trump said it's all lies and compared his opponents to Nazis -- i.e., he compared you and me to Nazis. Within 30 minutes, this was all Twitter was talking about -- in favor of Trump.

No, the "one year and done" narrative is wishful thinking. We are witnessing the last hurrah of racist middle America. We are witnessing something bigger than Trump. And something far more dangerous. Trump is merely a symptom of it.

Re Pence: Constitutionally, the only recourse is to impeach Trump. Pence would then step in. It is possible to impeach both of them, though. In which case, yes, Ryan would step in.

Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
By that argument, do you think his voter base is going to grab their pitchforks and "rise up" to defend this particular shyster once the shine wears off? Do you think they'll really expend the energy?

Are you blocking out your memory of the last 15 months? Nazi salutes, bloody battles in the streets, soundbyte-sized personal attacks... I saw more Trump flags than US flags in Louisiana.

Trump is a populist candidate who speaks directly to a 40 million strong captive audience on a backlash platform that this country has never seen before. It isn't his shine they're following.

The loudest people in the room get all the attention. In WV, everybody's waiting by the phone for the steel mill to call them. Or they're arguing with the insurance company about how the ACA is supposed to *replace* Obamacare while not realizing they're one and the same. When Trump turns out to be a liar on these things, they'll go back to thinking the world is against them. Beer, meth, and depression. Nobody in these hamlets its planning to rise up against the big bad liberal media. They, like us, ultimately trust the system when you get beyond all the "drain the swamp" shit. They just thought it was juked against them. That's why they wanted their guy in charge of it.

I think the stupid white power folks will try to rise up, but they're a minority. Most people are just racist and ignorant. It's a different kind of desperate.

No, the "one year and done" narrative is wishful thinking. We are witnessing the last hurrah of racist middle America. We are witnessing something bigger than Trump. And something far more dangerous. Trump is merely a symptom of it.

I agree we're witnessing something bigger. Again, *IF* this latest intelligence report bears fruit and *IF* Trump wriggles out of it and retains power, then we'll see how it goes. I still go on the premise that this isn't 1938 Germany. Trump has to provide jobs. And if you think after fifteen years of non-stop war in Iraq in Afghanistan (the brunt of the casualties having been borne by poor middle America), some ginned up war machine is going to employ everybody and keep them in line, I think you're wrong.

*THIS* is my argument against the "Resists! Don't Normalize!" narrative. Who says whatever system he tries to put in place succeeds? He's an idiot who's just trying to hoard money. Even people who voted for him grant him that. They expect him to "hire the right people" and for some of that money to trickle down to them. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I'm just hoping that somehow the system still works, because flawed as it is, there's nothing good that come of supplanting it.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 11:50:25 AM
Look, all I really want to do is enjoy shit like this meme, because I'm dead in 40 years and none of it matters.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2017, 12:10:17 PM
Other worrying facts, especially in regards to jobs: The stock market is reacting very well to Trump. And companies are bringing jobs back to Michigan. Trump is making some surprising wins (though it's hard to tell if it's all just coincidence or not). He's not even in office and even the "liberal" media is giving him credit for creating thousands of new jobs and strengthening the economy.

The Trump presidency, despite what the Post is screaming about today, has already been declared a win. Even CNN has softened their attacks. I'm sitting here watching the liberal media slowly backpedal and toe the line. The Post reported the Russian thing alongside Trumps rebuttal almost without comment.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 12:57:43 PM
His (non-Twitter) silence is what's bothered me though I haven't gotten in the nuts and bolts of today's presser.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
Silence? He's been shouting to the rafters to anyone who'll listen that it's a lie! He came out with a rebuttal immediately and just held a press conference acknowledging Russian involvement.

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Trump also addressed questions about his relationship with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, saying “If Putin likes Donald Trump, guess what folks, that’s an asset not a liability. I don’t know if I’ll get along with Vladi­mir Putin. . .but even if I don’t does anyone in this room think Hillary Clinton will be tougher on Putin than me? Give me a break.”

Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 01:19:19 PM
I mean in general since he got elected. Other than Twitter, I feel like his shit has been super secretive.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2017, 01:47:47 PM
I feel the opposite -- I feel that every move he's made has been super scrutinized and he's never hesitated to grab a soundbyte.

I mean, he's giving presidential press conferences to the full on White House press corps.... IN NEW YORK....when he's not even president yet!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
By the way -- no comment on the inauguration permit debacle? Trump not announcing the exact route of his parade until the last minute, therefore blocking every single protest group? Not even the million woman march has their permit. And DC has called in 10,000 National Guard to beef up their 3000 police. The orders, as of right now: All protest groups are illegal.

Yet is this being reported or discussed? No.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2017, 03:08:00 PM
To me, it's one in a laundry list of dickish, anti-democratic, authoritarian moves he's pulled. Maybe that's his strategy: do so much unbelievably evil shit at once that a couple things slip through. I'm also paranoid to think that if this is the shit we're seeing, what are we not seeing?

As you point out, he has a majority of middle Americans who are happy attacking Meryl Streep, Hillary (still), and black people. He won. If I believe in the system (which God help me, I still do), then we have to see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 12, 2017, 09:27:14 AM
Actually,  I can tell you how it plays out. A sitting president is exempt from civil or criminal charges. Congress has to impeach him first. And we seem to not want to admit that Trump isn't a singular creature. We also elected a Trump friendly (or fearful) Congress.

So,  unless he does actually murder someone in the street,  nothing will happen until after the midterm elections and,  then, only if we wise up and get a backlash congress in.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 12, 2017, 09:32:25 AM
And that's the system you believe in,  by the way! I would argue that,  perhaps,  it's time to not believe in the system.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 12, 2017, 11:22:29 AM
But I still do. Don't you belive in the system? Or didn't you before all this?

Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 12, 2017, 12:52:50 PM
But I still do. Don't you belive in the system? Or didn't you before all this?



I think it's unwise and irresponsible to believe in and embrace an oligarchy that, since 1945, has actively worked to stifle education, free thought, and equality.

I think it's insane to believe in a system that demands a socialist level of taxation and involvement from its populace but then does nothing socially beneficial for that populace.

I think it's galling to believe in a system that has built a menacing military machine that could pretty much conquer the solar system in terms of conventional military might and range.

I think it's purest madness to believe in a system comprised of representatives who answer to corporations and special interest groups.

The only thing that sort of system can produce is an out of control dynastic aristocracy that can only be answered by a populist fascist backlash. The only thing that system can produce is division, contention, fear, and prejudice.

I've always felt this. We are a great country, and we've been occupying a very unique cultural and geographical bubble for a very long time, but human history follows a predictable cycle. We laid the foundation of who we are 70 years ago.

In historical parlance, we were the rather strong and centrally-located city-state that suddenly inherited an empire and spent the next few generations trying to manage that empire without admitting that it was an empire because we had worked hard to escape another empire in our past. But that path ends with men who rule by status and wealth or faux-populism and declare themselves gods among men.

So Trump may be a dark horse (or he may simply be the inevitable and logical conclusion of the last 70 years). Either way, the system will protect him because that's what the system's for. The "system" is not meant for the likes of you and me or to defend our lofty armchair liberal goals, RC. The system is meant to make money, to fuel greed, to further the Great American Financial Dream.

So maybe Trump will have an ethics crisis. But "The System" won't feed on him unless stocks plummet and the dollar collapses.

And, here, you need to think more globally. All around us, the world is falling apart. Our only competing currency was the Pound and the Euro... And now both are being (and will continue to be) brutally ravaged by Brexit.

This isn't Trump's America. This is the Far Right's America. Brexit has created the perfect vacuum (again, in historical parlance) for the rise of fascism. We've seen it before -- arguably every two or three generations going back to Hammurabi.

Trump is going to do well. He's going to shoot from the hip and bluster his way through to at least the mid-terms. He'll lure businesses back (by hook or by crook -- i.e., make it uncomfortable for them to go south of the border), he'll create energy jobs (again, probably all in the wrong way), and the stock market is already embracing him with cheers and kisses. But, frankly, all he has to do is maintain the current status quo on the economic front and we'll all be happy because Brexit is going to spend the next 2 years digging a giant grave for all of our competitors.

With China, all he has to do is repeat the world we grew up in -- China is scary now (as Russia was in the 1950s-60s), but it suffers from exactly the same problems as the USSR and it can be defeated the same way -- outspend, outlast, outdo. For all the talk, they're a paper tiger. They've broken their backs putting ONE aircraft carrier into the water and it's a repurposed second-hand carrier from the 1980s. They haven't even started building new ones.

Meanwhile, we have 20 active aircraft carriers, three about to launch, and 16 more coming out by 2020. The effective range of each of the new aircraft carriers we're building is, literally, global. We are building 16 world-killer aircraft carriers. Just one of our traditional aircraft carriers can effectively police and control an entire hemisphere, and we have 20 of those!

So Trump and the presidency? It's all a show. All he has to do is preform. And that's because it's the system that's evil and broken.

Trump's a problem. But he's not the problem, and what we should be doing is focusing on and trying to influence and change the problem.

And we can! It's fairly easy.

Look at what Sleeping Giant has been doing to Breitbart. All you need to do is take a screenshot.

Consider the beneficial impact of divorcing the supermarkets and shopping local.

And a dozen other little local-power things that we can do to restore and educate our communities.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 12, 2017, 01:35:29 PM
You should rework that and post it on the front page.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 12, 2017, 01:36:26 PM
You should rework that and post it on the front page.

It'll be the perfect post for next Friday!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 14, 2017, 06:54:30 PM
Mark Hamill as the Joker reading Trump tweets warms my soul.

https://audioboom.com/posts/5495377-return-of-the-trumpster
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 14, 2017, 08:45:55 PM
Mark Hamill as the Joker reading Trump tweets warms my soul.

https://audioboom.com/posts/5495377-return-of-the-trumpster

YES!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 18, 2017, 02:44:48 PM
Betsy DeVos: "The Grizzly Bear Threat is REAL!!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo_5ZKcYROw
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 18, 2017, 08:03:48 PM
Okay! Inauguration Freakout ROLL CALL!

Downtown is closed. My office, in the "Red Zone," is inaccessible. The Red Zone is within the carless "Green Zone."

Uber and Lyft apps are disabled in the zone.

Last night, a man immolated himself (and survived) outside Trump hotel: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/man-sets-self-on-fire-outside-trump-hotel-in-dc/2017/01/17/598b8556-dd2e-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html

Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 19, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
Very disturbed by NBC this morning. They had a special focus on Trump as the "women's president" mainly because his daughter, his campaign manager, and some rich bitch all hold "special advisory roles." Powerful women! Women empowered! Trump will be great for women!

So...why aren't these three jackals holding a real position? They're basically secretaries and the so-called "liberal media" has decided to recast this whole thing as a victory for women.

Yes, Virginia, you, too, can be a secretary and/or slave!

Meanwhile, in protest news, LGBQ protestors shut down a few square blocks around Pence's house, and DC has shut down the no-traffic zone ahead of schedule (was supposed to be 2pm, but they did it overnight).
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2017, 11:14:56 AM
You of all people can't be surprised that the media is becoming a tool of Trump. Surely.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 19, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
You of all people can't be surprised that the media is becoming a tool of Trump. Surely.

I am surprised. They've been more obviously fickle than usual. They attacked him right up to the election and then they toed his line and now they're praising him as a change-agent.

I mean, yes, par for the course. I know. But usually that par is set at the Putt-Putt level. This is playing out on a much more divisive spectrum than usual.

What we need to realize is that an outsider populist like this has never gotten this far in American politics. Though some behaviors are going to remain the same, all of this is still a much more real and grown up game. In the past, when the media has waffled between candidates, both those candidates have largely been identical creatures. The waffling made sense because, in all honesty, if the candidates switched ties we'd probably get confused.



Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
Non-Linear warfare, no? No one knows the narrative because that's the way they want it.

This has been going around for a while, but I read it last night. History tells us that Trump & Brexit are all part of the cycle.

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.uqf3e3v08

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History tells us what may happen next with Brexit & Trump

It seems we’re entering another of those stupid seasons humans impose on themselves at fairly regular intervals. I am sketching out here opinions based on information, they may prove right, or may prove wrong, and they’re intended just to challenge and be part of a wider dialogue.

My background is archaeology, so also history and anthropology. It leads me to look at big historical patterns. My theory is that most peoples’ perspective of history is limited to the experience communicated by their parents and grandparents, so 50–100 years. To go beyond that you have to read, study, and learn to untangle the propaganda that is inevitable in all telling of history. In a nutshell, at university I would fail a paper if I didn’t compare at least two, if not three opposing views on a topic. Taking one telling of events as gospel doesn’t wash in the comparative analytical method of research that forms the core of British academia. (I can’t speak for other systems, but they’re definitely not all alike in this way).

So zooming out, we humans have a habit of going into phases of mass destruction, generally self imposed to some extent or another. This handy list shows all the wars over time. Wars are actually the norm for humans, but every now and then something big comes along. I am interested in the Black Death, which devastated Europe. The opening of Boccaccio’s Decameron describes Florence in the grips of the Plague. It is as beyond imagination as the Somme, Hiroshima, or the Holocaust. I mean, you quite literally can’t put yourself there and imagine what it was like. For those in the midst of the Plague it must have felt like the end of the world.

But a defining feature of humans is their resilience. To us now it seems obvious that we survived the Plague, but to people at the time it must have seemed incredible that their society continued afterwards. Indeed, many takes on the effects of the Black Death are that it had a positive impact in the long term. Well summed up here: “By targeting frail people of all ages, and killing them by the hundreds of thousands within an extremely short period of time, the Black Death might have represented a strong force of natural selection and removed the weakest individuals on a very broad scale within Europe,“ …In addition, the Black Death significantly changed the social structure of some European regions. Tragic depopulation created the shortage of working people. This shortage caused wages to rise. Products prices fell too. Consequently, standards of living increased. For instance, people started to consume more food of higher quality.”

But for the people living through it, as with the World Wars, Soviet Famines, Holocaust, it must have felt inconceivable that humans could rise up from it. The collapse of the Roman Empire, Black Death, Spanish Inquisition, Thirty Years War, War of the Roses, English Civil War… it’s a long list. Events of massive destruction from which humanity recovered and move on, often in better shape.

At a local level in time people think things are fine, then things rapidly spiral out of control until they become unstoppable, and we wreak massive destruction on ourselves. For the people living in the midst of this it is hard to see happening and hard to understand. To historians later it all makes sense and we see clearly how one thing led to another. During the Centenary of the Battle of the Somme I was struck that it was a direct outcome of the assassination of an Austrian Arch Duke in Bosnia. I very much doubt anyone at the time thought the killing of a European royal would lead to the death of 17 million people.

My point is that this is a cycle. It happens again and again, but as most people only have a 50–100 year historical perspective they don’t see that it’s happening again. As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lead to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit, and Trump are dismissed now.

Then after the War to end all Wars, we went and had another one. Again, for a historian it was quite predictable. Lead people to feel they have lost control of their country and destiny, people look for scapegoats, a charismatic leader captures the popular mood, and singles out that scapegoat. He talks in rhetoric that has no detail, and drums up anger and hatred. Soon the masses start to move as one, without any logic driving their actions, and the whole becomes unstoppable.

That was Hitler, but it was also Mussolini, Stalin, Putin, Mugabe, and so many more. Mugabe is a very good case in point. He whipped up national anger and hatred towards the land owning white minority (who happened to know how to run farms), and seized their land to redistribute to the people, in a great populist move which in the end unravelled the economy and farming industry and left the people in possession of land, but starving. See also the famines created by the Soviet Union, and the one caused by the Chinese Communists last century in which 20–40 million people died. It seems inconceivable that people could create a situation in which tens of millions of people die without reason, but we do it again and again.

But at the time people don’t realise they’re embarking on a route that will lead to a destruction period. They think they’re right, they’re cheered on by jeering angry mobs, their critics are mocked. This cycle, the one we saw for example from the Treaty of Versaille, to the rise of Hitler, to the Second World War, appears to be happening again. But as with before, most people cannot see it because:

1. They are only looking at the present, not the past or future

2. They are only looking immediately around them, not at how events connect globally

3. Most people don’t read, think, challenge, or hear opposing views

Trump is doing this in America. Those of us with some oversight from history can see it happening. Read this brilliant, long essay in the New York magazine to understand how Plato described all this, and it is happening just as he predicted. Trump says he will Make America Great Again, when in fact America is currently great, according to pretty well any statistics. He is using passion, anger, and rhetoric in the same way all his predecessors did — a charismatic narcissist who feeds on the crowd to become ever stronger, creating a cult around himself. You can blame society, politicians, the media, for America getting to the point that it’s ready for Trump, but the bigger historical picture is that history generally plays out the same way each time someone like him becomes the boss.

On a wider stage, zoom out some more, Russia is a dictatorship with a charismatic leader using fear and passion to establish a cult around himself. Turkey is now there too. Hungary, Poland, Slovakia are heading that way, and across Europe more Trumps and Putins are waiting in the wings, in fact funded by Putin, waiting for the popular tide to turn their way.

We should be asking ourselves what our Archduke Ferdinand moment will be. How will an apparently small event trigger another period of massive destruction. We see Brexit, Trump, Putin in isolation. The world does not work that way — all things are connected and affecting each other. I have pro-Brexit friends who say ‘oh, you’re going to blame that on Brexit too??’ But they don’t realise that actually, yes, historians will trace neat lines from apparently unrelated events back to major political and social shifts like Brexit.

Brexit — a group of angry people winning a fight — easily inspires other groups of angry people to start a similar fight, empowered with the idea that they may win. That alone can trigger chain reactions. A nuclear explosion is not caused by one atom splitting, but by the impact of the first atom that splits causing multiple other atoms near it to split, and they in turn causing multiple atoms to split. The exponential increase in atoms splitting, and their combined energy is the bomb. That is how World War One started and, ironically how World War Two ended.

An example of how Brexit could lead to a nuclear war could be this:

Brexit in the UK causes Italy or France to have a similar referendum. Le Pen wins an election in France. Europe now has a fractured EU. The EU, for all its many awful faults, has prevented a war in Europe for longer than ever before. The EU is also a major force in suppressing Putin’s military ambitions. European sanctions on Russia really hit the economy, and helped temper Russia’s attacks on Ukraine (there is a reason bad guys always want a weaker European Union). Trump wins in the US. Trump becomes isolationist, which weakens NATO. He has already said he would not automatically honour NATO commitments in the face of a Russian attack on the Baltics.

With a fractured EU, and weakened NATO, Putin, facing an ongoing economic and social crisis in Russia, needs another foreign distraction around which to rally his people. He funds far right anti-EU activists in Latvia, who then create a reason for an uprising of the Russian Latvians in the East of the country (the EU border with Russia). Russia sends ‘peace keeping forces’ and ‘aid lorries’ into Latvia, as it did in Georgia, and in Ukraine. He annexes Eastern Latvia as he did Eastern Ukraine (Crimea has the same population as Latvia, by the way).

A divided Europe, with the leaders of France, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, and others now pro-Russia, anti-EU, and funded by Putin, overrule calls for sanctions or a military response. NATO is slow to respond: Trump does not want America to be involved, and a large part of Europe is indifferent or blocking any action. Russia, seeing no real resistance to their actions, move further into Latvia, and then into Eastern Estonia and Lithuania. The Baltic States declare war on Russia and start to retaliate, as they have now been invaded so have no choice. Half of Europe sides with them, a few countries remain neutral, and a few side with Russia. Where does Turkey stand on this? How does ISIS respond to a new war in Europe? Who uses a nuclear weapon first?

This is just one Arch Duke Ferdinand scenario. The number of possible scenarios are infinite due to the massive complexity of the many moving parts. And of course many of them lead to nothing happening. But based on history we are due another period of destruction, and based on history all the indicators are that we are entering one.

It will come in ways we can’t see coming, and will spin out of control so fast people won’t be able to stop it. Historians will look back and make sense of it all and wonder how we could all have been so naïve. How could I sit in a nice café in London, writing this, without wanting to run away. How could people read it and make sarcastic and dismissive comments about how pro-Remain people should stop whining, and how we shouldn’t blame everything on Brexit. Others will read this and sneer at me for saying America is in great shape, that Trump is a possible future Hitler (and yes, Godwin’s Law. But my comparison is to another narcissistic, charismatic leader fanning flames of hatred until things spiral out of control). It’s easy to jump to conclusions that oppose pessimistic predictions based on the weight of history and learning. Trump won against the other Republicans in debates by countering their claims by calling them names and dismissing them. It’s an easy route but the wrong one.

Ignoring and mocking the experts , as people are doing around Brexit and Trump’s campaign, is no different to ignoring a doctor who tells you to stop smoking, and then finding later you’ve developed incurable cancer. A little thing leads to an unstoppable destruction that could have been prevented if you’d listened and thought a bit. But people smoke, and people die from it. That is the way of the human.

So I feel it’s all inevitable. I don’t know what it will be, but we are entering a bad phase. It will be unpleasant for those living through it, maybe even will unravel into being hellish and beyond imagination. Humans will come out the other side, recover, and move on. The human race will be fine, changed, maybe better. But for those at the sharp end — for the thousands of Turkish teachers who just got fired, for the Turkish journalists and lawyers in prison, for the Russian dissidents in gulags, for people lying wounded in French hospitals after terrorist attacks, for those yet to fall, this will be their Somme.

What can we do? Well, again, looking back, probably not much. The liberal intellectuals are always in the minority. See Clay Shirky’s Twitter Storm on this point. The people who see that open societies, being nice to other people, not being racist, not fighting wars, is a better way to live, they generally end up losing these fights. They don’t fight dirty. They are terrible at appealing to the populace. They are less violent, so end up in prisons, camps, and graves. We need to beware not to become divided (see: Labour party), we need to avoid getting lost in arguing through facts and logic, and counter the populist messages of passion and anger with our own similar messages. We need to understand and use social media. We need to harness a different fear. Fear of another World War nearly stopped World War 2, but didn’t. We need to avoid our own echo chambers. Trump and Putin supporters don’t read the Guardian, so writing there is just reassuring our friends. We need to find a way to bridge from our closed groups to other closed groups, try to cross the ever widening social divides.

(Perhaps I’m just writing this so I can be remembered by history as one of the people who saw it coming.)
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Post by: nacho on January 19, 2017, 12:01:12 PM
Oh, well, yes. They are part of the cycle. That's been obvious since before Brexit and the election, actually. I've been talking about that same cycle in here. Didn't I say somewhere in this thread about how we've been going through this same exact cycle since Hammurabi?

As to non-linear warfare. I saw that you posted that the other day. And, yes.  Adam Curtis followed up with Hypernormalization, which expands on the theory at length (and is fascinating):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM
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Post by: nacho on January 19, 2017, 12:06:22 PM
PS: If you're serious about fighting, you'll make the time to watch Hypernormalization. It's an educastion and answers all the "why/how" questions.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Wow. Almost three hours, eh? I like Curtis from his non-linear warfare bit, so I'll make the time somewhere.

I'm not really all that ignorant or in denial about how/why. I hope I don't give that impression. We've talked about this for years. That it happened so soon and so quickly is a bit shocking, but that'll be the epitaph of humanity, no? "We didn't think it would happen so soon!"

How to move forward? Now that I'm still struggling with. My FB politics experiment (Which I'm prematurely ending because it makes me feel awful) has helped a little. To me, the best thing do is focus on one issue locally. The fascist aspects of Trumps henchman bothers me the most, so that's what I feel like I should focus on. You know, watch out for signs of fascism in my community. Find folks who are already doing work along those lines. My sister already goes to the county board meetings for business reasons, so I'm going to start going with her. Reading the local news every few days is about a twenty minute commitment. (Though who knows what will and won't get reported.)

This is what you (and others) have been saying for years. Think globally. Act locally. Local politics is when shit happens. The high level stuff is beyond my ability too really effect, so other than paying attention, I don't feel like there's much I can do.

And honestly, I don't think there's anything we can do. I agree with the Tobias Stone piece above. We're due for a purge.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 19, 2017, 12:32:36 PM
Didn't mean to say you were ignorant -- just that Non-Linear Warfare is sort of the abstract of the larger piece.

So the point of Hypernormalization is that...it hasn't happened quickly. It all started over 40 years ago (even Trump). This is all designed.



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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2017, 12:36:34 PM
So if you want to terrify yourself, read this piece about Trump's nuclear briefing.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-233822

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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 20, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
I'm trying to make it through Trump's speech. It's insane.
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Post by: nacho on January 21, 2017, 09:24:03 AM
The women's march, as of an hour ago, already registered a higher Metro ridership than the inauguration.
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Post by: nacho on January 21, 2017, 11:38:15 AM
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 22, 2017, 11:53:28 AM
Exquisite.
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Post by: monkey! on January 24, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
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This. This right here. Yes. Although, technically he had the hookers pee over each other, not him.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 25, 2017, 01:05:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gneBUA39mnI
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Post by: nacho on January 26, 2017, 08:03:59 AM
Catching up on the news...the Mexican Wall project begins soon (at our expense), Trump endorses torture (good news for my day job!), May comes to visit tomorrow and, ahead of that visit, basically announces that the US and the UK are going to conquer the entire planet. Yay.

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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2017, 11:26:04 AM
You and I are both jaded nihilists and even we can see this shit in unbelievable. What I really want to do is talk to Trump supporters and see what they think. (Maybe that's a future piece... with video.)
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Post by: nacho on January 26, 2017, 12:08:38 PM
Oh, god, yes! Please!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2017, 12:50:59 PM
Hooray...

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-helps-push-doomsday-clock-closest-global-annihilation-cold-war-n712501 (http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-helps-push-doomsday-clock-closest-global-annihilation-cold-war-n712501)

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Doomsday Clock Ticks 30 Seconds Closer to Global Annihilation Thanks to Trump, Scientists Say

The world is ticking another 30 seconds closer to the apocalypse — in part because of Donald Trump.

At least that's the dire warning from the group of scientists who oversee the metaphorical Doomsday Clock, the hands of which were moved Thursday to two minutes and 30 seconds before midnight — the time that represents when a catastrophic nuclear event can annihilate the earth.

It's the closest the clock has been to midnight since the Cold War of the 1950s.

The clock is revised annually, but remained at three minutes before midnight last year — the same as it was in 2015 — after positive global developments such as the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate agreement helped stave off a doomsday scenario.

But the Chicago-based Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, a science journal which oversees the clock, said recent events prompted them to push the clock forward in 2017.

Those include a rise in strident nationalism worldwide, cyber threats, an "active and blatant disregarding" for factual science and President Trump's comments on nuclear arms and climate change.

Trump has repeatedly claimed that global warming is a hoax. Meanwhile, in December, he tweeted that he would like to expand America's nuclear weapons capability — apparently rejecting four decades of U.S. policy to reduce nuclear arms.

"Six or seven days into a new administration, we wanted to send a message that things are not going in the right direction," Lawrence Krauss, a theoretical physicist affiliated with the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, said at a news conference Thursday.


Regardless of whether the scientists' symbolic timepiece was changed by "30 seconds or a minute, this is historic," Krauss added. "The clock has not been closer to midnight in 64 years. We felt things are inching in a more dangerous path, but we try not to act on the moment."

The Doomsday Clock was at two minutes to midnight in 1953, when the U.S. was mired in the Cold War with the Soviet Union. That year, President Harry Truman announced the U.S. had developed a hydrogen bomb — putting the threat of a thermonuclear war on the table.

The clock, which was first set in 1947 to seven minutes before midnight, was pushed as far back as 17 minutes before midnight in 1991. That was the year the Cold War ended.

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists says its purpose is to bring awareness to nuclear disarmament, climate change and energy, and other technology issues that can help save the earth.

"The future of the clock and our future is in your hands," Krauss said Thursday.

The Bulletin's board bases the clock's time with a consultation from its Board of Sponsors, which includes 16 Nobel laureates.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
 "the time that represents when a catastrophic nuclear event can annihilate the earth": Since 2007 (and the article itself mentions this) climate change has been included in the setting.

I hate that sensationalist reporting. The first thing we see is nuclear war instead of paying attention to the real danger Trump poses to our energy handling and environmental safety.

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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2017, 01:24:13 PM
In a vacuum, yes it's sensationalist, but coupled with shit like this...

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/management-team-state-department-resigns-en-masse

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Management Team at State Department Resigns En Masse

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s job running the State Department just got considerably more difficult. The entire senior level of management officials resigned Wednesday, part of an ongoing mass exodus of senior foreign service officers who don’t want to stick around for the Trump era.

....[Patrick] Kennedy and three of his top officials resigned unexpectedly, four State Department officials confirmed. Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions, followed him out the door. All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

....In addition, Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security Gregory Starr retired Jan. 20, and the director of the Bureau of Overseas Building Operations, Lydia Muniz, departed the same day. That amounts to a near-complete housecleaning of all the senior officials that deal with managing the State Department, its overseas posts and its people.

....Several senior foreign service officers in the State Department’s regional bureaus have also left their posts or resigned since the election. But the emptying of leadership in the management bureaus is more disruptive....“Diplomatic security, consular affairs, there’s just not a corollary that exists outside the department, and you can least afford a learning curve in these areas where issues can quickly become matters of life and death.”

That's from Josh Rogin of the Washington Post. Were these people pushed out? Did something happen that caused them to want nothing to do with the incoming regime? Nobody knows. This is very, very peculiar.
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Post by: nacho on January 26, 2017, 01:27:23 PM
That...is alarming. Even if they left of their own accord as a sort of protest it opens the door for Team Trump to stack State full of yes-men. Which, yes, gets us closer to when a catastrophic nuclear event can annihilate the earth.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
Here, this will make you feel better. </sarcasm>

You have to click through to read the tweets, but it's allegedly a White House staffer who started tweeting from inside before the account was suddenly shout down.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/26/1625349/-West-Wing-leaker-silenced-after-pulling-back-the-curtain-Trump-irrational-staff-demoralized (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/26/1625349/-West-Wing-leaker-silenced-after-pulling-back-the-curtain-Trump-irrational-staff-demoralized)

And on that note, I'm backing out for a few hours because my heart just can't take it.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 27, 2017, 09:43:31 PM
Man, this piece is so, so good.

https://infinite-coincidence.com/2017/01/22/donald-trump-is-going-to-snap-very-soon-and-here-is-how-i-know/ (https://infinite-coincidence.com/2017/01/22/donald-trump-is-going-to-snap-very-soon-and-here-is-how-i-know/)

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Donald Trump is going to snap very soon, and here is how I know

I believe that rather than smashing our own glass houses to pieces in the act of destroying Donald Trump’s Presidency, we need to be aware of our own inner Trump, to reflect on our own tendencies to think and behave in catastrophically immature, venal and insecure ways. I therefore offer up this short account of my own personal emotional development, and then explain why I think it helps explain why Trump is heading for a breakdown very, very soon.

I used to suffer from a quite disabling insecurity, particularly when it came to things like being creative and forming relationships with other people. I got better, partly by virtue of living in and studying Portugal, learning about its people’s tendency to swing between moments of self-aggrandisement and self-abnegation, from ‘we are great’ to ‘we are nothing’. I also learnt about my own habit of projecting my own feelings onto others, both people and countries. The work of the Portuguese poet Fernando Pessoa showed me that we’re all characters on a stage acting out different roles, and that that is okay. I identified strongly with the philosopher Eduardo Lourenço’s diagnosis that Portuguese people tend to suffer from taking on too many identities, and I took enormous inspiration, consolation and guidance from his insights that Portugal is ‘marvelously imperfect’, ‘no worse and no better than anyone else’, and that progress comes from accepting one’s limitations.

Living in China taught me to accept the existence of other perceptions of my own identity, even if I feel embarrassed about it, particularly in terms of my national identity. Everyone has one and I can’t let the fact of my British or Englishness inhibit me unduly. Writing about my misunderstandings of Chinese society and about my role there helped me accept that I, like everyone else, have an ego, and also that I can use writing as a vehicle for making connections between things and to help find people who’ve noticed the same things, who share my perspective. Spending time with a Lacanian psychoanalyst in London helped me develop confidence in my own voice while also teaching me about the foibles of my tendency to overthink. I got better (although not necessarily good) at identifying and cultivating friendships with other people. I met the woman who later became my wife, who loves me for who I am rather than who I pretend to be. Through my job I became better at listening to people and more accepting of others and myself. I learnt that honest self-reflection is a more effective medium for personal development than alcohol is. Through acquiring other languages I discovered that learning is one of the things I most enjoy and value about being alive.

I still screw up, as we all do, but I accept that doing so is part of life, and when I do or get something wrong I try to apologise without fear or recrimination. I know that I’m not mad in any meaningful sense. I accept that I have some ability to write entertainingly and insightfully, and I have less fear than I did before of saying what I want to say. I have a wonderful editor in my wife and I accept that I sometimes miss things and perhaps expose some parts of myself to criticism and ridicule. I know that what I write doesn’t and doesn’t have to please everyone. I accept that everyone is fallible, and that it takes hard work to produce writing of quality. Sometimes I don’t put in enough hard work, and that’s my fault. I try hard not to depend emotionally on the responses or lack of responses to what I write. In a nutshell, I’ve matured, to the point where I can now face the prospect of becoming a father, something which, say, 15 years ago was (so to speak) inconceivable.

All this means that I understand something of the fragility of Donald Trump’s ego. Having struggled to maintain friendships in the past, I can see how Trump can get to a point where he has, according to a piece in Newsweek based on several months spent around him, no close friends. As I’ve acknowledged before, it’s essential for us to have the humility to recognise that we don’t have the ability to diagnose Trump at a distance. But that there’s something of the manchild about him is inescapable.

These first two days of his ‘Presidency’ saw paranoid and recriminatory tweets, a speech to the CIA in which he ranted bitterly about media reports of his coronation, and his press spokesperson being sent out to deliver another paranoid self-pitying rant. People are mercilessly taking the piss out of the piss-poor attendance at his pitiable inauguration, and Trump appears to be following every single one of them on Twitter. It’s clear to me that whatever means he’s used to survive up until this point aren’t going to work in his new role. There’s simply too much scrutiny and ridicule, and it’s going too deep. He’s too much of a shallow narcissist to ignore it. Trump is going to learn the wisdom of Jacques Lacan: “the madman is not only a beggar who thinks he is a king, but also a king who thinks he is a king”. Whatever monster he has buried in his mind is going to rise up to bite off huge chunks of him from within.

Trump is famously hostile to the notion of learning: no-one has anything to teach him. He was born rich, and that means he’s a genius and that everyone must respect him. He appears to have no ability for self-reflection. The mirrors he has in his mansion may be framed in gold, but he’s never been able to bring himself to look into them for more than a few seconds. Instead he’s surrounded himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear, who repeat back to him his inner mantra: you’re the richest, the best, the greatest writer, builder, statesman, etc etc etc. But it’s his inner voices that are the problem, the ones that tell him that he’s nothing, a failure, that everyone sees him as a joke. The ones that (presumably) sound a lot like his father.

His tweets in particular reveal that at some level he knows that his self-aggrandising self-image is hollow and brittle. So he lashes out, including physically. And it’s getting worse. People are laughing louder. He’s now put himself in a position where the entire world knows that he is venal, insecure, stupid and deluded.

He’s become in two days the paranoid and deluded ruler of so many novels by Latin American and African writers. Usually this point is reached after several decades of rule and the imposition of terror and a cult of personality. He’s the kind of leader that the U.S. has imposed on so many other countries; there is an element of chickens coming home to roost. He obviously took enormous consolation from his media image, the idea that he was ‘America’s CEO’. He believed this and seems to have internalised it, but is also taunted by a nagging awareness that it was little more than a joke, a stupid slogan to sell a TV show. His supporters may not know that, but some will learn. He’s already starting to turn some of them against him. As he attacks their standard of living and doesn’t have the political skills necessary to calm their anger, they will see through him to the delusion, insecurity and vanity within. He’ll have no more defences and will be unable to hide from the stark fact that his flatterers don’t respect him. Putin in particular is evil but not stupid. He knows that Trump is an absolute moron. And he can’t control that smirk of his.

Lacan said that what matters in psychoanalysis is not so much what the client says, but what falls out of his pockets while speaking. Trump appears to have absolutely no idea what he has in his pockets, and now everyone on the planet is picking up things, inspecting them and telling him what they are. They are teaching him things about himself that he cannot bear to learn. He also knows that he is President in name only, and that’s not enough to sustain his ego.

He will snap very, very soon.

Our job is to increase the tension.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 30, 2017, 11:37:54 AM
Okay...

http://cheezburger.com/9005879552/fail-article-sean-spicer-retweets-the-onion

And it's still up on his feed as of today!

I really am starting to wonder if this is all a joke.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 30, 2017, 11:50:57 AM
Joke or horror movie?

Working on his week's resistance diary based on my first trip to town last night since the inauguration. It was surreal.

Also, only read this if you know you can go lie down shortly after.

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.s9bt9wy20

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Trial Balloon for a Coup?

Analyzing the news of the past 24 hours

Science. Politics. Economics. Ethics. Things blowing up. Forgotten history. We’ve got it all!

The theme of this morning’s news updates from Washington is additional clarity emerging, rather than meaningful changes in the field. But this clarity is enough to give us a sense of what we just saw happen, and why it happened the way it did.

I’ll separate what’s below into the raw news reports and analysis; you may also find these two pieces from yesterday (heavily referenced below) to be useful.

News Reports

(1) Priebus made two public statements today. One is that the ban on Muslims will no longer be applied to green card holders. Notably absent from his statement was anything about people with other types of visa (including long-term ones), or anything about the DHS’ power to unilaterally revoke green cards in bulk.

The other was that the omission of Jews from the statement for Holocaust Remembrance Day was deliberate and is not regretted.

A point of note here is that Priebus is the one making these statements, which is not normally the Chief of Staff’s job. I’ll come back to that below.

(2) Rudy Giuliani told Fox News that the intent of yesterday’s order was very much a ban on Muslims, described in those words, and he was among the people Trump asked how they could find a way to do this legally.

(3) CNN has a detailed story (heavily sourced) about the process by which this ban was created and announced. Notable in this is that the DHS’ lawyers objected to the order, specifically its exclusion of green card holders, as illegal, and also pressed for there to be a grace period so that people currently out of the country wouldn’t be stranded — and they were personally overruled by Bannon and Stephen Miller. Also notable is that career DHS staff, up to and including the head of Customs & Border Patrol, were kept entirely out of the loop until the order was signed.

(4) The Guardian is reporting (heavily sourced) that the “mass resignations” of nearly all senior staff at the State Department on Thursday were not, in fact, resignations, but a purge ordered by the White House. As the diagram below (by Emily Roslin v Praze) shows, this leaves almost nobody in the entire senior staff of the State Department at this point.

The seniormost staff of the Department of State. Blue X’s are unfilled positions; red X’s are positions which were purged. Note that the “filled” positions are not actually confirmed yet.

As the Guardian points out, this has an important and likely not accidental effect: it leaves the State Department entirely unstaffed during these critical first weeks, when orders like the Muslim ban (which they would normally resist) are coming down.

The article points out another point worth highlighting: “In the past, the state department has been asked to set up early foreign contacts for an incoming administration. This time however it has been bypassed, and Trump’s immediate circle of Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, son-in-law Jared Kushner and Reince Priebus are making their own calls.”

(5) On Inauguration Day, Trump apparently filed his candidacy for 2020. Beyond being unusual, this opens up the ability for him to start accepting “campaign contributions” right away. Given that a sizable fraction of the campaign funds from the previous cycle were paid directly to the Trump organization in exchange for building leases, etc., at inflated rates, you can assume that those campaign coffers are a mechanism by which US nationals can easily give cash bribes directly to Trump. Non-US nationals can, of course, continue to use Trump’s hotels and other businesses as a way to funnel money to him.

(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.

Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”

Conclusive? No. But it raises some very interesting questions for journalists to investigate.

What does this all mean?

I see a few key patterns here. First, the decision to first block, and then allow, green card holders was meant to create chaos and pull out opposition; they never intended to hold it for too long. It wouldn’t surprise me if the goal is to create “resistance fatigue,” to get Americans to the point where they’re more likely to say “Oh, another protest? Don’t you guys ever stop?” relatively quickly.

However, the conspicuous absence of provisions preventing them from executing any of the “next steps” I outlined yesterday, such as bulk revocation of visas (including green cards) from nationals of various countries, and then pursuing them using mechanisms being set up for Latinos, highlights that this does not mean any sort of backing down on the part of the regime.

Note also the most frightening escalation last night was that the DHS made it fairly clear that they did not feel bound to obey any court orders. CBP continued to deny all access to counsel, detain people, and deport them in direct contravention to the court’s order, citing “upper management,” and the DHS made a formal (but confusing) statement that they would continue to follow the President’s orders. (See my updates from yesterday, and the various links there, for details) Significant in today’s updates is any lack of suggestion that the courts’ authority played a role in the decision.

That is to say, the administration is testing the extent to which the DHS (and other executive agencies) can act and ignore orders from the other branches of government. This is as serious as it can possibly get: all of the arguments about whether order X or Y is unconstitutional mean nothing if elements of the government are executing them and the courts are being ignored.

Yesterday was the trial balloon for a coup d’état against the United States. It gave them useful information.


A second major theme is watching the set of people involved. There appears to be a very tight “inner circle,” containing at least Trump, Bannon, Miller, Priebus, Kushner, and possibly Flynn, which is making all of the decisions. Other departments and appointees have been deliberately hobbled, with key orders announced to them only after the fact, staff gutted, and so on. Yesterday’s reorganization of the National Security Council mirrors this: Bannon and Priebus now have permanent seats on the Principals’ Committee; the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have both been demoted to only attending meetings where they are told that their expertise is relevant; the Secretary of Energy and the US representative to the UN were kicked off the committee altogether (in defiance of the authorizing statute, incidentally).

I am reminded of Trump’s continued operation of a private personal security force, and his deep rift with the intelligence community. Last Sunday, Kellyanne Conway (likely another member of the inner circle) said that “It’s really time for [Trump] to put in his own security and intelligence community,” and this seems likely to be the case.

As per my analysis yesterday, Trump is likely to want his own intelligence service disjoint from existing ones and reporting directly to him; given the current staffing and roles of his inner circle, Bannon is the natural choice for them to report through. (Having neither a large existing staff, nor any Congressional or Constitutional restrictions on his role as most other Cabinet-level appointees do) Keith Schiller would continue to run the personal security force, which would take over an increasing fraction of the Secret Service’s job.

Especially if combined with the DHS and the FBI, which appear to have remained loyal to the President throughout the recent transition, this creates the armature of a shadow government: intelligence and police services which are not accountable through any of the normal means, answerable only to the President.

(Note, incidentally, that the DHS already has police authority within 100 miles of any border of the US; since that includes coastlines, this area includes over 60% of Americans, and eleven entire states. They also have a standing force of over 45,000 officers, and just received authorization to hire 15,000 more on Wednesday.)


The third theme is money. Trump’s decision to keep all his businesses (not bothering with any blind trusts or the like), and his fairly open diversion of campaign funds, made it fairly clear from the beginning that he was seeing this as a way to become rich in the way that only dedicated kleptocrats can, and this week’s updates definitely tally with that. Kushner looks increasingly likely to be the money-man, acting as the liaison between piles of cash and the president.

This gives us a pretty good guess as to what the exit strategy is: become tremendously, and untraceably, rich, by looting any coffers that come within reach.


Combining all of these facts, we have a fairly clear picture in play.

Trump was, indeed, perfectly honest during the campaign; he intends to do everything he said, and more. This should not be reassuring to you.
The regime’s main organizational goal right now is to transfer all effective power to a tight inner circle, eliminating any possible checks from either the Federal bureaucracy, Congress, or the Courts. Departments are being reorganized or purged to effect this.
The inner circle is actively probing the means by which they can seize unchallenged power; yesterday’s moves should be read as the first part of that.
The aims of crushing various groups — Muslims, Latinos, the black and trans communities, academics, the press — are very much primary aims of the regime, and are likely to be acted on with much greater speed than was earlier suspected. The secondary aim of personal enrichment is also very much in play, and clever people will find ways to play these two goals off each other.
If you’re looking for estimates of what this means for the future, I’ll refer you back to yesterday’s post on what “things going wrong” can look like. Fair warning: I stuffed that post with pictures of cute animals for a reason.

Science. Politics. Economics. Ethics. Things blowing up. Forgotten history. We’ve got it all!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 31, 2017, 08:28:39 AM
Whew doggies...firing the AG and hiring a shill is, you know, frowned upon in most circles.

This is actually shifting from horrifying to fascinating. How far can he go? How far will he go?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 31, 2017, 09:37:16 AM
The language the admin is using is scary. "Betrayal." "Not following our laws."

I need to review my civics on the Executive Order. It seems like what Trump & Co. are doing surpasses what they're intended to do. We still have a legislative and judicial branch, yes?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 31, 2017, 10:12:45 AM
The language the admin is using is scary. "Betrayal." "Not following our laws."

I need to review my civics on the Executive Order. It seems like what Trump & Co. are doing surpasses what they're intended to do. We still have a legislative and judicial branch, yes?

They are either orders based on powers given to the Executive (national security, etc), or backed by Congress.

All orders are subject to judicial review, yes. Though after the fact.

Technically, Trump is within his rights so far. He is also able to fire and hire for appointed positions, like the AG. Really, the only thing unusual about Trump so far is that he's in our faces all the time (and our feeds), and he's doing all this shit at once and then trying to explain it in 140 characters or less. So, faced with a truly WTF scenario, the media has to fill in the 985 missing words of the article. Considering that actual talent and editorial ability has been flushed from the media over the last couple decades, this is a tall order.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 31, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
It just all seems so, you know, fascist.
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Post by: nacho on January 31, 2017, 10:33:44 AM
It just all seems so, you know, fascist.

My resist article on Friday is about how...it isn't. And also exactly how we got here. And also attacking Millennials.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on February 16, 2017, 03:50:16 PM
So...I don't know how to unpack today's batshit press conference.

Starts at the 25 minute mark:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/02/16/watch_live_trump_announces_new_secretary_of_labor_pick_takes_questions.html


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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 16, 2017, 06:38:03 PM
Oh man. I can't do it. It's just so delusional.
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Post by: Sirharles on February 17, 2017, 10:36:34 AM
Check out CNN's doc about the 70's on Netflix.  A little eerie how similar some things are.
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Post by: nacho on February 17, 2017, 10:43:43 AM
Check out CNN's doc about the 70's on Netflix.  A little eerie how similar some things are.

I wrote a whole front page article about that!
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Post by: Sirharles on February 17, 2017, 11:22:31 AM
What's this "frontpage" you speak of.

Nacho's head goes   :fuckyou:
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 17, 2017, 02:52:21 PM
So good....

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'President Supervillain' Puts Trump's Quotes in Red Skull's Mouth, and It's Disturbingly Perfect

http://io9.gizmodo.com/president-supervillain-puts-trumps-quotes-in-red-skulls-1792476115 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/president-supervillain-puts-trumps-quotes-in-red-skulls-1792476115)
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Post by: nacho on February 24, 2017, 05:12:02 PM
LOL! WAPO's lineup:

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In the News    Kellyanne Conway   Feral cats
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Post by: nacho on February 25, 2017, 10:30:58 AM
Here we go!

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Press secretary Sean Spicer banned reporters from CNN, the New York Times, Politico, the Los Angeles Times and BuzzFeed
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 26, 2017, 08:49:21 AM
I can only read about the dumpster fire that's our executive branch on weekdays.
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Post by: nacho on February 26, 2017, 09:12:05 AM
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Post by: RottingCorpse on March 01, 2017, 11:35:11 AM
Did anybody else stay up and watch the latest episode of this new new dystopian America show? Last night the orange alien gave his best impression of a human yet. Then the opposition showed some weird hologram from the 1950s as a rebuttal. This is like the best sci-for of the past fifteen years! I gotta find out what it's called.
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Post by: nacho on March 01, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
I did the Monday morning quarterback thing and let my feeds break it down for me this morning...all of which praise Trump for his presidential demeanor and a very successful speech! Even the Guardian, which has all but demanded a revolution for the last couple months, is talking about calm and unity and a new chapter in America.

So...the page has turned. The opposition has surrendered. All hail Trump!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on March 01, 2017, 12:15:41 PM
They're building camps as we speak.
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Post by: nacho on March 01, 2017, 12:28:21 PM
They're building camps as we speak.

Don't worry. We're middle class WASPs. We'll be picked to run the camps for $175k a year plus cushy benefits. You should be happy. Work brings freedom!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on March 06, 2017, 11:32:50 AM
So how are we not commenting on Trump's Twitter meltdown this weekend? Stephen King wasn't too far off when he tweeted "Obama is IN THE CLOSET!!! WITH SCISSORS!!!"

So Obama is now involved, according to pre-coffee Trump, in the biggest conspiracy since Watergate, tapping the phones at Trump Tower. DEFEND THE TOWER!!!

WaPo very keenly points out that this was a distraction from the Sessions probe. And it worked.

But what's working even better is that...we're tired. The revolution sister-thread in this forum drops away, our front page articles turn back to fantasy. We have turned off and dropped out...as predicted.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on March 06, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
But what's working even better is that...we're tired. The revolution sister-thread in this forum drops away, our front page articles turn back to fantasy. We have turned off and dropped out...as predicted.

Well, because it's exhausting. Every day is a non-stop barrage of insanity at which our systemic institutions just shrug their collective shoulders. I tried to keep up every day and thought I wa going to go insane myself. Now, I read the news two or three times a week unless something totally fucking bonkers comes through. (Which seems to be every day.)

The side of it that no one really talks about is that Trump isn't considered legitimate so I think most people are just like. "He'll be out in four years." Those "March 4 Trump" rallies were laughably pathetic. If that's what fascism in America looks like, well, Hitler's place in history is safe. The ICE raids are scary, but even their the judiciary is stepping in on the large percentage of them.

It's a bad joke. I think the longer it goes on, the more it'll just be an embarrassment we all try to get beyond. Even Reagan was little more than a punchline at the end.
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Post by: nacho on March 06, 2017, 02:39:18 PM
Hypernormalization, eh?
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Post by: RottingCorpse on March 06, 2017, 02:41:30 PM
*shrugs*

...

...

...

(See what I did there?)
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Post by: monkey! on March 17, 2017, 04:32:40 AM
Enjoy, faggots!
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Post by: nacho on March 17, 2017, 08:36:55 AM
So The Circus comes back on Sunday.

First of all, everyone should have watched the first season because it basically explained how Hillary would lose and Trump would win two episodes in.

This second season follows "Trump's America" and will probably also perfectly explain every lingering question and fear we still have.


It's a great show. Showtime, Sunday night. And season one is streaming everywhere. The best analysis of modern politics you can get.
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Post by: nacho on March 28, 2017, 01:57:41 PM
How To Look Like You're 100% Guilty of Treason

Lesson 791

Please open your instruction manuals and follow along.

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Trump administration sought to block Sally Yates from testifying to Congress on Russia
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Post by: RottingCorpse on April 27, 2017, 10:08:13 AM
I don't know if this is part of the problem, but nobody in L.A. wastes a whole lot of mind power thinking about Trump. They're *all* about Cal-Exit which since I'm reading Civil War story right now, is eerily similar to the succession screaming of the lower south after Lincoln's election. We really have been through all this before. We're just too ignorant of history to know it.

Anyway, our Lyft driver laid out his Cal-Exit prediction (prophecy) that was so mind bogglingly insane, it might actually be genius: California succeeds in tandem with Oregon and Colorado. They convince Washington to go along too and seek assistance from Canada is setting up their new country.  Colorado and California squeeze in Nevada and Utah, and then they make a play for Arizona and New Mexico. Only this guy had all the details worked out, down to tax base and establishing an independent military. (Though it all sounds like we'd end up with a Fort Sumter situation on our hands.)

Then he said none of it really mattered because the robots would overpower us in twenty years anyway.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on April 27, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
Cal-Exit (and that plan your Lyft driver outlined) has existed, almost word for word with minor geographical changes appropriate for the time periods, since Aaron Burr's day.

More interesting is his last comment -- the Church of the Singularity. Which is an actual organization, based in Silicon Valley.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 27, 2017, 10:27:56 AM
It was entertaining, if not a little scary.

I was impressed how convinced this guy was that California cold easily whether the storm of having all federal funds and support immediately withdrawn. He claims Jerry Brown has secret been planning for this shit since the first time he was elected.

And he was sure AI will wipe us out, and he was driving about 75 mph in thick traffic on the 405.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 17, 2017, 01:06:00 PM
I can't remember a time in my life when every day turning on the news was an adventure of epic proportions. It's wildly entertaining. Frightening to be sure, but I'm not bored.

Also, deep in "Ordeal of Fire" and whenever I hear someone say "we've never been here before," it's not entirely true. The influence of a foreign power is new, but the fractured electorate and impotent, deadlocked legislature is straight out of the 1850s. The scary part is the last time thing we were remotely like this, we ended up in a Civil War.
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Post by: nacho on May 17, 2017, 01:21:38 PM
From news blackout to addicted! Get thee back to the front page, then!
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Post by: Nubbins on May 17, 2017, 07:54:58 PM
Like, seriously... what the fuck is going on guys?
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Post by: nacho on May 17, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
It's all a dream!

By the way, if you folks aren't watching the Circus...you're doing it wrong.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 08, 2017, 09:24:41 AM
Comey Day! The biggest party DC has seen in months!
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Post by: nacho on June 08, 2017, 09:33:50 AM
Comey Day! The biggest party DC has seen in months!

Yeah. I'm thinking of sneaking out of work.

Also strangely fascinated by the British election! What a fun day!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 08, 2017, 09:36:20 AM
I have errands, but I'll be tuned in to radio and the like.
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Post by: nacho on June 08, 2017, 09:41:56 AM
Union Pub is buying a round for the entire bar every time Trump tweets about Comey from 9:30-4pm.

So...guess I should take a nice long afternoon walk!
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Post by: nacho on June 08, 2017, 12:09:42 PM
Bored now.
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Post by: nacho on June 08, 2017, 12:15:02 PM
Okay, so this is actually just a long masturbation session about how amazing Trump is and/or a study in evasiveness.

Rubio almost sounded like he was campaigning for Trump!
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Post by: Sirharles on June 08, 2017, 03:00:38 PM
Okay, so this is actually just a long masturbation session about how amazing Trump is and/or a study in evasiveness.

Rubio almost sounded like he was campaigning for Trump!

What did you expect?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on June 08, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
Okay, so this is actually just a long masturbation session about how amazing Trump is and/or a study in evasiveness.

Rubio almost sounded like he was campaigning for Trump!

What did you expect?

I did NOT expect McCain to stroke out in front of a live audience!
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Post by: nacho on June 16, 2017, 01:14:12 PM
Trump losing his shit on Twitter today is loads of gun to follow!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 16, 2017, 01:18:37 PM
I saw a few of the other ones. We need to check the Vegas over/under on how long he stays in office. Have I laid down an official prediction, yet?
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Post by: nacho on June 16, 2017, 01:57:08 PM
I saw a few of the other ones. We need to check the Vegas over/under on how long he stays in office. Have I laid down an official prediction, yet?

I don't think so.

So he's obviously just been served or whatever, and Pence hired a private lawyer. That means it'll be a year before anything actually comes of this.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 16, 2017, 02:26:31 PM
Apparently Trump's lawyer just hired a lawyer. This is turning into a Samuel Beckett play.
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Post by: monkey! on July 11, 2017, 04:22:58 AM
Waiting for Guantanamo.
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Post by: nacho on August 16, 2017, 08:38:19 AM
How in the world are we all standing for this madness?
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Post by: monkey! on August 25, 2017, 08:20:25 PM
Shush. Angry birds.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 30, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
Grab your popcorn, kids.

I haven't read through much, just headlines and bullet points. However, my hot take is that these are the big ones and all connections to collusion with Trump and Pence personally with be circumstantial enough that they'll be able to claim ignorance. The problem being that Trump won't shut up on Twitter about it and will eventually incriminate himself.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-manafort-trump-russia-mueller_us_59f4b672e4b077d8dfc9f356

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Former Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort Charged In Russia Probe
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Post by: nacho on October 30, 2017, 01:09:49 PM
Yeah. It's getting closer. Lots of folks still say November is the end!
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Post by: nacho on November 08, 2017, 12:21:58 PM
One year! Make America Gag Again!
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Post by: nacho on December 06, 2017, 09:43:13 PM
Trump will kill us all post 678934/B, Subsection: Israel.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on December 08, 2017, 04:06:47 PM
I'm just numb at this point. I stopped thinking couldn't get any worse month ago. Now, anything that's not complete nuclear annihilation feels like something I can put in the "win" column.
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Post by: nacho on December 09, 2017, 08:12:53 AM
I'm just numb at this point. I stopped thinking couldn't get any worse month ago. Now, anything that's not complete nuclear annihilation feels like something I can put in the "win" column.

Yeah, I think most folks are at that point. It's brilliant, actually.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 05, 2018, 11:24:46 AM
Nacho told me over the weekend I was too deep in Trump World but with the NK tweets, the Bannon catfight, and now this tell-all book, it's the best god damned show on the internet.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367552-ex-watergate-prosecutor-on-charging-trump-with-obstruction-i-can-make

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Ex-Watergate prosecutor on Trump: I can make a case for obstruction of justice

A former Watergate prosecutor said Thursday she believes there is enough evidence to bring an obstruction-of-justice case against President Trump over his firing of FBI Director James Comey last year.

Jill Wine-Banks told MSNBC's "All In with Chris Hayes" that she believes she could bring a successful case against Trump, adding that there is "so much evidence" that Trump meant to obstruct the investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and Russia by firing Comey.

"I was asked in May whether I thought I could make an obstruction case, I said 'I thought I could' ... I know I can," she told MSNBC.

"There is so much evidence now, and as was said, it's not one piece, it's the total picture. The pieces of the puzzle are fitting together and they spell obstruction," Wine-Banks said.

"You don't need an underlying crime for the crime of obstruction," she added. "To impede an investigation, whether you were part of the original crime or not, you have committed a separate crime: Obstruction of justice."

Wine-Banks has also pointed to Trump and other Republicans' frequent attacks on FBI agents' integrity as "witness intimidation."

"It is also a possible obstruction of justice, witness intimidation, and it's obstructing justice by saying to agents, 'You better not dig too deep, you better not find anything because I will attack you,'" she said in December.

"And this is the president of the United States, it is congressmen who have a national audience and can make people's lives miserable," she said.

The former Watergate investigator is a frequent critic of Trump and his administration's handling of the Russia probe. Last July, she called Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner's explanations about his meetings with Russian nationals during the presidential race "utterly ridiculous" in another MSNBC appearance.

“He clearly has a very good lawyer, but as soon as you start to probe it it falls apart,” she said at the time. “The explanations that are offered seem blatantly ridiculous.”
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Post by: nacho on January 05, 2018, 11:42:47 AM
It's fun as long as you don't take it too seriously. I think people are having trouble "turning off" the "show" at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 05, 2018, 12:06:41 PM
Well, the whole nuclear "by dick is bigger than yours" thing with NK is a bit alarming.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 05, 2018, 12:56:42 PM
Well, the whole nuclear "by dick is bigger than yours" thing with NK is a bit alarming.

Yeah. But...also kind of true. These are stone age people. It's not like Trump's flinging insults at Khrushchev.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 05, 2018, 12:58:27 PM
Well, the whole nuclear "by dick is bigger than yours" thing with NK is a bit alarming.

Yeah. But...also kind of true. These are stone age people. It's not like Trump's flinging insults at Khrushchev.

I mean, our entire childhood was spent under the gun of "very alarming" nuclear threats. So it always confounds me when people run around now crying about Korea launching a missile that's been cannibalized from a pinball machine.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 05, 2018, 01:18:03 PM
The way I differentiate the Cold War nuke threat from Trump is that as an adult, I recognize the nuke threat of our childhood (late 70s and early 80s) as the propaganda it was. We didn't fear the bomb the way our parents feared the bomb.

We also felt that even with Reagan, we at least had competent people involved. Reagan may have been a bit soft in the memory department in the last half of his administration, but you got the impression that he had at least surrounded himself with people who had an inkling of how to run a rodeo.  The Trump show feels way to close to a Marx Brothers movie version of how a presidency is supposed to run.

It's not the nuke threat itself that's scary. It's the fact that his ego is such that he might push us to the brink of something bad just because he feels slighted. And Japan being nuked (the likely NK target for their hack job missile) would be bad on all levels, economically, environmentally, and politically.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 05, 2018, 02:22:39 PM
Well, yes. He will destroy us all. But it'll come from within, not without. Ware Middle America, my friend. Our true enemy is the redneck sitting next to us.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: Sirharles on January 06, 2018, 07:45:01 AM
Our true enemy is the redneck sitting next to us.

Hey!

I just imagine someone took a Staples button and taped the word "Nuke" on top of it and put it on Trumps desk.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: Sirharles on January 06, 2018, 07:56:49 AM
Also, I agree with Twitter.  They can't ban him.  That's just a slippery slope.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 06, 2018, 10:07:09 AM
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I don't even think they should ban the racist psychopaths because even there it's a slippery slope. The official position that people are arguing is Twitter's rule against "threatening others" which folks claim he did with the whole button fiasco.

WHHEEEEEEEEE!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on January 06, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
On Twitter: I also agree. In fact, I'm against banning anyone on social media. We all dug this grave and opened up this voice for literally every single person on the planet. And now we're surprised that this anonymous, free, global public forum is riddled with trolls and monsters, rapists and stalkers, predators and murderers? Every single day countless people willfully decide to do all these terrible things to other people in real life. We all know this. So what did we expect?

I feel like we've asked for this, and it's ignorance to be outraged when it happens. Plus, we have the power to stop it. We can block/mute, we can ignore/move on with our lives. We can silence the offenders and personalize/lock/protect our streams. 
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2018, 09:32:29 AM
So I think we should draw the line at Trump asking for a triumph.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 07, 2018, 09:47:30 AM
The hammer will drop in April.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2018, 10:02:27 AM
The hammer will drop in April.

I've stopped following everything (the triumph was inescapable). What happened?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 07, 2018, 11:59:51 AM
Nothing yet, but Mueller is being inanely meticulous which is way your predicted November hammer drop didn't happen. I work with a guy who's deep in to the hacker/pirate world and the word there is that the metadata trail is so wide and full, Mueller's not simply asking people, "Did you meet with with so-and-so?" He's asking, "So at 10:23 during your meeting with Igor Baronkov, You disced memo #245-B before forwarding it to the RNC, Who was the intended recipient of that memo?"

Mueller isn't interested in busting Trump, but on seeing how deep his thing goes.

Also, this problem won't be solved criminally, but politically. Trump may lose the job and get charged with Obstruction of justice, but the deer problem that isn't going away with Trump is that Russia has infiltrated and compromised the election process of the United States.

But it all goes June '72 batshit in April. Remember I said it.

Here's CNN's vanilla take on it all:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/06/politics/new-documents-mueller-investigation-trump-transition/index.html

EDIT:
This Wired Piece is much better at explaining it.
https://www.wired.com/story/bob-muellers-investigation-is-largerand-further-alongthan-you-think/
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: Sirharles on February 08, 2018, 08:03:21 AM
I don't know what's more fascinating, the news or RC's auto correct. 
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on February 08, 2018, 08:24:00 AM
I'm deep into the pirate/hacker world and all the talk there is about how to get a rip of a Chinese blu ray of Black Panther.

I bet no hammer drops! I bet this is like all the other times we said a hammer would drop (See: Iran-Contra). Watergate happened because Nixon used disreputable gung-ho lunatics to do his black bag shit and Hoover wasn't around to clean it up anymore. If a slightly better class of criminal were involved at the ground floor, then there would have been no Watergate. The investigations didn't begin because of Nixon's actions, rather they incidentally exposed Nixon's actions.

Trump's proven himself to be Teflon. Even if a hammer does appear to be coming, he'll do something radical like fire Ivanka and the media will dutifully flood our eyes and ears with that shocking upset and then move on to dogs who like to ski.   
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 08, 2018, 08:08:57 PM
Again, Trump is just a symptom of a deeper problem. Trump will only get charged with obstruction of justice which means the worst that happens is a a Bill Clinton situation. He might lose the job, but then we just get Pence or god help us Paul Ryan. Flynn, Manafort, Gates, Papadopolous, Page and others will get crunched in this.

The bigger issue is what happens when we find out how deep this thing goes. When we find out the RNC and maybe even the DNC were compromised. Demi are all about the pitchforks now, but what happens when it's their neck under the guillotine.

The Trump campaign folks know they're caught which why their trying to discredit the FBI. And I wonder if that's Putin's long game in all this.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 02, 2018, 06:46:11 PM
We're living in Adam Curtis' world now, aren't we?

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/590076949/depth-of-russian-politicians-cultivation-of-nra-ties-revealed
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on March 03, 2018, 08:12:33 AM
We're living in Adam Curtis' world now, aren't we?

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/590076949/depth-of-russian-politicians-cultivation-of-nra-ties-revealed

Have been for 40 years.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 17, 2018, 12:54:30 PM
McCabe fired late last night (to bury it in the news cycle). This AM, Trump’s lawyer is calling for Mueller to be fired.

Teetering on the edge.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on March 17, 2018, 01:30:05 PM
It'd be nice (and more alarming) if these probes were actually showing results.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on March 18, 2018, 09:23:05 AM
So I finally sat down and got caught up with this... I don't know if I've just lost the thread or not, but I don't see the apocalyptic horror in any of it. Yes, Trump's obviously crazy and generally horrible. But he is what we are. Or, at least, an alarming number of us. For years and years, on these forums and at bars and on living room couches, we've gone on and on about the very particular American Sickness that's been brewing since roughly 1949 or so. We're dumbing ourselves down with every generation, we're taught to embrace the distractions, we've been fed the Outrage Loop and fall for it every time.

Of course Trump's in there. Of course he's crazy. And, of course, he'll get away with it. Because everyone who ever wants to do something about it is distracted 45 seconds later.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 18, 2018, 10:41:10 AM
If the FBI is neutered and Congress is neutered and we let it happen, then what stops Trump from becoming Dictator Comanche for life? It's a completely disregard for the illusion of a system. And maybe it's time for it to fall, but then you've got 4 billion people who are supposed to do what? This is already a clusterfuck for the long term, and if we decide that one man is above the system then it's just game over.

I can't speak for the rest of America, but he's fucked the local economy. My current financial woes are directly related to the fact that he's destroyed my niche industry in the DMV. Frankly, I want somebody who actually gives a shit about the stupid illusion of a system which actually seemed to try to work before all this.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on March 18, 2018, 12:15:06 PM
If the FBI is neutered and Congress is neutered and we let it happen, then what stops Trump from becoming Dictator Comanche for life? It's a completely disregard for the illusion of a system. And maybe it's time for it to fall, but then you've got 4 billion people who are supposed to do what? This is already a clusterfuck for the long term, and if we decide that one man is above the system then it's just game over.

I can't speak for the rest of America, but he's fucked the local economy. My current financial woes are directly related to the fact that he's destroyed my niche industry in the DMV. Frankly, I want somebody who actually gives a shit about the stupid illusion of a system which actually seemed to try to work before all this.

The FBI neutered themselves thanks to Hoover making it his private fiefdom for 30 years. Your FBI history, since the 1940s, has been:

1) The sole domain of a paranoid lunatic who did nothing but obliterate all of the freedoms in our society and was never kept in check by Congress or the President

2) A period of guilty reform that led to a shattered, broken leadership that completely backfired (Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc)

3) A period of pulling back and trying to win public opinion that resulted in a neutering so complete that they were incapable of stopping domestic threats (see 9/11, Boston, etc).

The FBI neutering is evident in the need for so many different divisions. ATF, Homeland Security, etc. The FBI has been incapable of keeping their house clean since Hoover died and his madness was exposed. What we have going on now, with the firings and the investigation, is akin to a show trial. We're back to Adam Curtis with this Russia probe.

Congress has also been neutered long before Trump. I've been talking to you about the parallels to the downfall of the Roman Republic -- with the evenly split and totally ineffectual senate -- for about 20 years now.

And the economy has been on the downswing long before Trump as well. The only alarming factor is that Trump is the first person to bring the problem inside the Beltway. We used to be immune and not think about it while everyone else wallowed. Now the walls are coming down because the people out there finally got their "outside the Beltway" president. This little DMV island we've been on is starting to reflect what's been happening out there in all the other states.

None of this to defend Trump. Just saying that he's not the problem, he's just an advanced symptom. 

 
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 19, 2018, 03:06:47 PM
Your point about DC always being recession proof and that now not being the case is interesting, and spot on.

And I agree Trump is an advanced symptom, but even he isn't the boogeyman behind the curtain. That's Putin and Russia and The U.S. having done to us what we've done to all the banana republics over the decades. I guess my problem is that if the system breaks down then it's going to be even easier for some populist strongman who actually knows what he's doing to come in an wreck real havoc. Trump is an incompetent narcissist and look at all the damage he's done.

I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Congress is the entity that can save us, and I'm not sure they have the political will to do so. Besides, where in history have you read, "And then the legislature did the righting and saved them?"
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on March 20, 2018, 08:23:48 AM

Besides, where in history have you read, "And then the legislature did the righting and saved them?"

In the last 80 years, and just speaking about the US legislature -

The civil rights acts, of course.

The polio vaccine assistance act. We wiped out a disease and nobody made any real money from it because the legislature said enough is enough. Three years before the vaccine, polio was at epidemic proportions. We never talk about this in our history classes, but thousands of people (mainly children) were dying per year from polio. Legislation made sure everyone got the vaccine, regardless of their ability to pay for it. Within 5 years, polio was all but wiped out of the US. Further legislation -- on our part -- to make the vaccine readily available to the world has eradicated polio. There are only a handful of outbreaks a year, originating from the usual suspect countries.

The Marshall Plan and other efforts to spend an enormous amount of money rebuilding Europe instead of punishing Europe. We emerged as the champion and could have been cruel, instead we legislated some of the greatest humanitarian acts into being to rebuild infrastructure, entire cities, historical monuments, and deal with the greatest refugee crisis in modern history. All paid for by the citizens who dropped the bombs in the first place. Ditto Japan and the south Pacific, which benefited from similar plans. 

Finally actually giving the vote to everyone, regardless of race, color, creed, or gender.

The ADA, of course, and medical/age assistance in general.

Clean water acts. It is now safe to drink water from the tap (theoretically) everywhere in the US whereas prior to the 1950s you had to treat going from Iowa to Kansas like going from the US to a Central American shantytown.

Various workplace safety acts so now your employer isn't allowed to seal you into the mine on purpose because you talked back to him, or force your 10 year old son into employment, or force you to spend 115% of your paycheck buying your own supplies for the job.

FDIC so that we can actually use our banks without fear of repeating 1929.

The GI Bill -- the most effective demobilization of a large army in history which was also designed to create a renewable brain trust that we're still benefiting from. Truly the only successful historical incidence of "turning swords into plowshares."

The FHA -- call them projects, but they were four walls and a roof.

Consumer Protection. So, now, when Ford builds a car that murders you and gets caught, they're forced to recall it as opposed to saying, "Buyer beware!"

The military -- this is controversial, and outdated, but we have a clean and functional armed forces program that's really miles above everyone else. We're also very focused on separating the military from the state. That's due to legislation, not just popular opinion.

The FDA -- someone is regulating your food and drugs (nominally, at the moment, but this entity doesn't have many opposite numbers in other countries).

Ongoing funding of basic science/NIH/NASA: Also something not too many other countries can claim.

I can go on if you want!



Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 20, 2018, 05:45:27 PM
So... these are all laws and regulations passed and they're wonderful, yes. But I'm thinking more about the history of kings, despots, Star Wars villains, and executives harnessing power for their own selfish needs, while the legislature lets it happen thinking they'll benefit before said legislature is disbanded.

(The Marshall Plan is your one example that sort of false under what I'm saying.)

Past legislatures aside, do you think *this* one is going to do the right thing? And by "right thing," I mean stand up to trump and support the Russia investigation?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on March 20, 2018, 07:22:58 PM
So... these are all laws and regulations passed and they're wonderful, yes. But I'm thinking more about the history of kings, despots, Star Wars villains, and executives harnessing power for their own selfish needs, while the legislature lets it happen thinking they'll benefit before said legislature is disbanded.

(The Marshall Plan is your one example that sort of false under what I'm saying.)

Past legislatures aside, do you think *this* one is going to do the right thing? And by "right thing," I mean stand up to trump and support the Russia investigation?

Well, many of those kings, despots, etc. were also the legislature! Between about 44 BC and about 1650 AD, the human race did not have a government that had a (empowered) separate legislative body.

Our current legislature is suffering from what happened to the one in the 50's-40's BC, thus back round we go to the Roman Republic conversation. 

 

Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 21, 2018, 10:01:01 AM
I guess my disconnect here is that the Russian influence seems so, so obvious. Yet everyone is burying their head in the sand... or doesn't care. Trump is o utterly incompetent and corrupt. I'm just shocked that we're letting the system break down for him.

During the Bush II years, it all seemed more sinister and under the cover of night. We were fed plausible lies to keep the sheep in line while the dirty deeds were done. This just seems so preventable.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on March 21, 2018, 10:42:58 AM
I guess my disconnect here is that the Russian influence seems so, so obvious. Yet everyone is burying their head in the sand... or doesn't care. Trump is o utterly incompetent and corrupt. I'm just shocked that we're letting the system break down for him.

During the Bush II years, it all seemed more sinister and under the cover of night. We were fed plausible lies to keep the sheep in line while the dirty deeds were done. This just seems so preventable.

Here's something no one seems to be thinking about, even though it's headline news: What if "Russian influence on the election" is actually the hypernormalization and there's something else going on? Because...is it really "so obvious," RC? Lester Holt would like you to think so, but where's the hard evidence? It remains suspected.  A now year long investigation points to some people in Trumplandia having corporate ties with Russia, but the same could be said for about 90% of the 1% during every administration since Putin took power because Russia is a cash cow on the oligarch level. Hell, Obama stood idly by while Russia literally attacked eastern Europe and Russian paramilitary troops attacked US bases in Syria.

Now... Let's look at the evidence we actually have regarding election tampering. Namely, Facebook and Cambridge Analytica. CA is ON CAMERA admitting that they won the election and claiming they can account for tens of millions of votes. And the LEGION of similar corporations are all cheerfully talking to the media about how, yes, that's exactly what they do: Win elections by hijacking our social media. And, yes, every social media outlet has stood by and let this happen because they're getting a boatload of money. On the block is Twitter, Snapchat, and Facebook. And it looks like it's going to snowball into congressional hearings. In fact, it's so bad, and so perverse, that stock market wonks are worried this will shatter the tech bubble and spiral us into a downturn.

If we actually sit down and rationally process the news, here's what I suggest is happening: A billionaire showman who is a member of an oligarchical billionaire showman club spread lots of money around to the places he knew it would count: The people who deliver instant content to the devices we walk around all day staring at. That content is unregulated and unmonitored and exists solely at the whim of for-profit corporations run by members of that same billionaire showman club. Social media is designed to control us and inform on us. We do it willingly! In the last election, techniques to manipulate, control, and outright hijack our identities were finally perfected. And that's who stole the election. Zuckerberg et. al.

We don't blame them because we've perversely been convinced that these corporations -- Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. -- are working for the public good. This is the fundamental backbone of their image. Your Google Life is generally free. Look at all the great things they did and are doing. A great place to work. How exciting to get Amazon HQ2 in our town. And on and on and on. They've painted themselves as the benefactors of Humanity much like the Church did in the middle ages.

Meanwhile, they're harvesting everything and have now become powerful enough to shape politics and the world.

Russia? Putin? Come on, RC. That's the old way. They're relics from more than a decade ago. There are no borders now. There are no countries and there are no rivals. On the news every night, we see the CA admission, we hear from companies like CA that do exactly what they did and outline it for us step by step. Yet we still scream Russia! Why? Because it's easy. Because Russia was a bogeyman (and nothing more) for two generations. Because Putin likes to stoke that image because it IS GOOD FOR BUSINESS for Russia and the US to be at odds. It always has been a business decision. You can't call Google, Facebook, Amazon, and all of them out. Why? Well, simple. Because they actually own and control the news outlets.

The system is breaking down for Trump, the system just doesn't work anymore because it hasn't changed since 1865.   

Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 21, 2018, 11:51:40 AM
Because...is it really "so obvious," RC? Lester Holt would like you to think so, but where's the hard evidence? It remains suspected.  A now year long investigation points to some people in Trumplandia having corporate ties with Russia, but the same could be said for about 90% of the 1% during every administration since Putin took power because Russia is a cash cow on the oligarch level.

...

Russia? Putin? Come on, RC. That's the old way. They're relics from more than a decade ago. There are no borders now. There are no countries and there are no rivals. On the news every night, we see the CA admission, we hear from companies like CA that do exactly what they did and outline it for us step by step. Yet we still scream Russia! Why? Because it's easy. Because Russia was a bogeyman (and nothing more) for two generations. Because Putin likes to stoke that image because it IS GOOD FOR BUSINESS for Russia and the US to be at odds. It always has been a business decision. You can't call Google, Facebook, Amazon, and all of them out. Why? Well, simple. Because they actually own and control the news outlets.

Follow Seth Abramson on Twitter. Settle in, because Holy Shit.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson

Evidence of Russian influence is two-fold.

1.) Evidence that Trump was in bed financially (and prostitutionally, if I can coin a word) with the Russians. Putin's old KGB buddies have all sorts of nasty sex shit to blackmail Trump with. (Including trips on Jeffery Epstein's "Lolita Express." Our girl Stormy Daniels is only the tip of the iceberg on Trump as far as deviant perversity goes. Personally, I give two shits if he likes to be fucked with a strap-on while sucking milk out of a whore's ass, and the rest of America probably doesn't care either. To me, the sex shit is the distraction. Trump wants Stormy Daniels all over the news because that's far sexier and less damning than Russia.)

Trump's Russia involvement is deep and well-documeted, but basically boils down to the fact that he's bankrupted himself so many times that the Russian mob were the only ones willing to loan him any money. The problem became when he decided to run for public office for a "cold" enemy of that particular state. He was deep in the Russian oligarch's pocket long before he considered running for office.

2.) Evidence of election tampering by Russians. This is a large part of what Mueller is collecting evidence on. The tech/bot part of it aside for a second, Russia's original plan was to neuter a Clinton administration by having all this uncertainty shadow her presidency (which it would have). That Trump actually won was a back-handed win because the trail of breadcrumbs of their involvement was purposely left so wide. But their guy won.

*Their guy who they probably blackmailed into running because of all the shit they have on him won the election.*

The U.S. presidency is operating under Putin's influence. Indirectly probably, but the Russians control the executive branch because Trump lives in fear of them. Think of the shit they could leak to Mueller that proves without a doubt that Trump has committed treason. Fucking treason. Per hypernormalizaion, Putin's goal is destabilization. It's to weaken U.S. power and influence, particularly in Europe. He's succeeding wildly.

Now... Let's look at the evidence we actually have regarding election tampering. Namely, Facebook and Cambridge Analytica. CA is ON CAMERA admitting that they won the election and claiming they can account for tens of millions of votes. And the LEGION of similar corporations are all cheerfully talking to the media about how, yes, that's exactly what they do: Win elections by hijacking our social media. And, yes, every social media outlet has stood by and let this happen because they're getting a boatload of money. On the block is Twitter, Snapchat, and Facebook. And it looks like it's going to snowball into congressional hearings. In fact, it's so bad, and so perverse, that stock market wonks are worried this will shatter the tech bubble and spiral us into a downturn.

If we actually sit down and rationally process the news, here's what I suggest is happening: A billionaire showman who is a member of an oligarchical billionaire showman club spread lots of money around to the places he knew it would count: The people who deliver instant content to the devices we walk around all day staring at. That content is unregulated and unmonitored and exists solely at the whim of for-profit corporations run by members of that same billionaire showman club. Social media is designed to control us and inform on us. We do it willingly! In the last election, techniques to manipulate, control, and outright hijack our identities were finally perfected. And that's who stole the election. Zuckerberg et. al.

We don't blame them because we've perversely been convinced that these corporations -- Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. -- are working for the public good. This is the fundamental backbone of their image. Your Google Life is generally free. Look at all the great things they did and are doing. A great place to work. How exciting to get Amazon HQ2 in our town. And on and on and on. They've painted themselves as the benefactors of Humanity much like the Church did in the middle ages.

Meanwhile, they're harvesting everything and have now become powerful enough to shape politics and the world.

I don't doubt this is occurring and the Cambridge Analytica shit is fascinating beyond belief. Yet I also think that big business always has more to gain by maintaining the status quo. The technology shifts, but the goal is the same, consolidate political power as a means to consolidate financial control. Why make us doubt these systems (Google, Facebook, etc.) that we've had no reason to doubt until now? Why even let the Russians do this even as a scapegoat to hide the sinister shit they're doing? Why not keep the illusion of a socially responsible system?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: monkey! on March 28, 2018, 09:07:49 AM
This is some great stuff, no - the best?
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 28, 2018, 09:54:08 AM
If the fate of the republic wasn’t at stake, it’d be even more wildly entertaining than it already is.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 10, 2018, 10:23:19 AM
FBI raids Michael Cohen's (Trump's Stormy Daniels lawyer) office! Trump Tweet Storm! Mueller's head on the chopping block! Will Lassie save Timmy from the well before it's too late?

Tune in today for the next exciting episode of Game of Trump!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on April 10, 2018, 11:05:15 AM
FBI raids Michael Cohen's (Trump's Stormy Daniels lawyer) office! Trump Tweet Storm! Mueller's head on the chopping block! Will Lassie save Timmy from the well before it's too late?

Tune in today for the next exciting episode of Game of Trump!

Totally blacked out all of this!
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 10, 2018, 11:09:52 AM
It all happened in the last eighteen hours. This show is really fast paced.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: nacho on April 10, 2018, 11:22:31 AM
It all happened in the last eighteen hours. This show is really fast paced.

Right now, I'm just trying to clear my to-do list so I can watch Hurricane Heist.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 11, 2018, 05:51:58 PM
On my phone and can’t post my usual title stuff but this am anonymous republication talking about Imprachmeng in a manner that is hilarious.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/11/1756173/-Unnamed-Republican-congressman-goes-off-in-profane-rant-We-might-as-well-impeach-the
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2018, 05:51:27 PM
Sean Hannity is Michael Cohen's third client? It's time to fire the writers of this show because they've really lost the thread.
Title: Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 19, 2018, 11:32:26 AM
This show is really starting to suck.

Trump sends missiles to Syria and badmouths Russia on TV then privately calls Putin and says there will be no sanctions against Russia totally going against UN. Ambassador Nikki Haley's public pronouncement that Russia will be sanctioned.

Tell me, would Jon Snow be so cravenly obvious?

Meanwhile in the B-Story, Stormy Daniels is suing Trump for defamation and Cohen is about to sing like a bird. I figure it's all leading up to the big space battle in the season finale with Sean Hannity sacrificing himself to push Stormy's mystery attacker (special gust star Tom Brady!) out the air lock.
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Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:33:16 PM
If Jon Snow were in charge we'd all be fighting a last-stand hopeless battle in the desert outside Syria.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 01, 2018, 11:12:54 AM
I feel deep down the “Melania is Dead” Internet hole last night. It’s a wild place.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44308892
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Post by: nacho on June 01, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
Man, Ivanka looks great in pants.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on September 17, 2018, 09:17:53 PM
The good news about my big move to the mountains is that it takes major cluster-fuckery to penetrate the news blackout. I haven't been this unstressed about the world in years.

That said, Russia Probe is still the best show on TV.
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Post by: nacho on September 18, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
The good news about my big move to the mountains is that it takes major cluster-fuckery to penetrate the news blackout. I haven't been this unstressed about the world in years.

That said, Russia Probe is still the best show on TV.

I was expecting the punchline to be "but...everything is cluster fuckery."

Throne Maiden is a nightly news junkie. Plus...life in DC. It's there where I envy you. What's it like to have a conversation at a bar/the supermarket/anywhere and NOT fucking mention fucking Trump/cluster fucks?
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Post by: RottingCorpse on September 18, 2018, 03:28:52 PM
It's exquisite. It only comes up in a "so you got out too, eh" kind of way.
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Post by: nacho on September 18, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
It's exquisite. It only comes up in a "so you got out too, eh" kind of way.

Yeah. We're stuck. Next jumping off point is March, but apparently there's a stay bonus being offered that's a retarded amount of money.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on September 18, 2018, 04:40:24 PM
Take the money. Dark times ahead. One reason we got out.
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Post by: monkey! on September 24, 2018, 06:15:18 AM
Did you guys read that article on how the next crash will be worse than the Great Depression because mortgage lending is just as high as it was 10 years ago except now there’s over $9 trillion of public debt ?

Hahahahaha.... LoLz
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Post by: nacho on September 24, 2018, 10:29:34 AM
Did you guys read that article on how the next crash will be worse than the Great Depression because mortgage lending is just as high as it was 10 years ago except now there’s over $9 trillion of public debt ?

Hahahahaha.... LoLz

Technically speaking it's impossible to repeat what happened in the Depression, short of something truly apocalyptic happening. Like proper apocalypse.

But, yes, a housing bust will be the next thing. Which just means tent communities in the park. Which is where the story in They live picks up!

JUST PUT ON THE GODDAMNED SUNGLASSES!!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on September 24, 2018, 01:02:46 PM
I read the Robert Reich one recently. We're busy Making America Great Again over here.
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Post by: monkey! on September 25, 2018, 06:27:04 PM
Did you guys read that article on how the next crash will be worse than the Great Depression because mortgage lending is just as high as it was 10 years ago except now there’s over $9 trillion of public debt ?

Hahahahaha.... LoLz

Technically speaking it's impossible to repeat what happened in the Depression, short of something truly apocalyptic happening. Like proper apocalypse.

But, yes, a housing bust will be the next thing. Which just means tent communities in the park. Which is where the story in They live picks up!

JUST PUT ON THE GODDAMNED SUNGLASSES!!

Technically the Great Depression wasn’t supposed to happen.
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Post by: nacho on September 26, 2018, 09:48:52 AM

Technically the Great Depression wasn’t supposed to happen.

In fairyland where old white men from Dead Indian Springs, GA believed that America was invincible and didn't need to be part of a global economy or have any balances in place in the event of even the smallest crisis, let alone a major climatic event that saw a million Americans essentially become migratory refugees for six years. 
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Post by: nacho on September 28, 2018, 12:55:34 PM
So...the Dems essentially accusing the Republicans of being participants in a coup and destroying the Senate, and then walking out? That's... That's Roman forum stuff. That's immediately followed by a legion crossing the Rubicon and taking the city.
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Post by: nacho on September 30, 2018, 08:40:17 AM
This is actually a perfect portrayal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJecfRxbr8
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Post by: RottingCorpse on September 30, 2018, 04:51:13 PM
Every single character is so well cast.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 14, 2019, 12:26:22 PM
This season of "Death of the American Republic" really looks to to be their best yet.

-Will the government remain shut down for the next six months?
-Will the American public continue to just not care after evidence of collusion between Manafort and Russia has actually been proven?
-Will Rudy Giuliani continue to shit himself on a daily basis?
-Will Trump keep winning until there's no more winning and all the winning is done and we're Great Again?
-Will resistance leader Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez build her own lightsaber and lead the Resistance without being forced to confront Kylo Ren one last time?
-Are these fucking dragons ever going to show up and do something?
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Post by: nacho on January 15, 2019, 11:06:42 AM
Even my hardcore DC liberal friends hate Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, so she's not the resistance leader.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 15, 2019, 11:27:38 AM
She's the fyooooooooooooture.

Seriously, love her or hate her, I think the next generation of leaders will be just like her. I find her annoying though I think her heart is in the right place.
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Post by: nacho on January 15, 2019, 11:47:34 AM
She's the fyooooooooooooture.

Seriously, love her or hate her, I think the next generation of leaders will be just like her. I find her annoying though I think her heart is in the right place.

Great ass.
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Post by: monkey! on January 21, 2019, 08:46:46 AM
She's the fyooooooooooooture.

Seriously, love her or hate her, I think the next generation of leaders will be just like her. I find her annoying though I think her heart is in the right place.

Great ass.

Sexist pig.
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Post by: Nubbins on June 20, 2020, 06:30:01 PM
This Geoffrey Berman shit is bananas:

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/20/881148365/geoffrey-berman-u-s-attorney-who-prosecuted-trump-allies-says-he-wont-quit
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Post by: nacho on June 22, 2020, 10:53:20 AM
Yeah. Everything is bananas!