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Title: Utopia
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2014, 04:19:31 PM
I just realized that we never split talk of Utopia out of the "British Drama" thread. I was going to do some thread hacking here, but that thread is basically 70% Utopia sperging... I figured I'd just start a new thread where we can post 10,000 Youtube clips from season one as we quietly build into a frenzy of anticipation for season two.

Also, my cult-culture bones tell me that we'll start getting more updates about season two in the coming weeks... 

This show was the best thing to come out of 2013. Period. I have no idea how they plan to tackle season two, but it'll be fascinating. Meanwhile, a US version by David Fincher is coming to HBO.

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The story follows a small group of people who find themselves in possession of the manuscript sequel of a cult graphic novel called "The Utopia Experiments" which is rumoured to have predicted the worst disasters of the last century. This leads them to be targeted by an organisation known as 'The Network', which they must avoid to survive. Using the manuscript, they must uncover the meaning hidden in its pages before the disasters depicted become reality.

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UK media regulator Ofcom received 44 complaints about the television series including complaints about violence, offensive language and child actors being involved in scenes of adult content. Thirty seven of the complaints related to a scene at the beginning of the third episode where a shooting takes place in a primary school. Channel 4 also received 28 complaints about the scene. It was aired a month after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Connecticut, USA. A spokesman for Channel 4 responded, "Channel 4 thought very carefully about continuing with the planned broadcast of Utopia. The drama is in no way based on real events, and the scenes featuring violence are editorially justified within the context of the storyline. All material has been carefully considered in accordance with the Ofcom Broadcasting Code and we were satisfied that, appropriately scheduled in a late night slot at 10pm and preceded by clear on-air warnings about the graphic violence and very strong language, it could be broadcast as planned."

Season one promos:





Here's the first four minutes of episode one:

Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2014, 04:22:28 PM
We must be synced up because I spent twenty minutes this AM scouring the Internet for series two news.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2014, 04:23:15 PM
We must be synced up because I spent twenty minutes this AM scouring the Internet for series two news.

You feel it too! There's something in the ether. I say we get big news by the end of the month...
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2014, 04:31:22 PM
It's the best anything I've watched in the past five years. It's informed my own work greatly over the past few years.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on May 28, 2014, 04:08:24 PM
The season two DVD pre-order links are appearing.

The FB page updated on May 26th with "Stay calm. Utopia is coming." and a free link to the soundtrack.

C4 just starting repeating series one this week.

I think we're close!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 28, 2014, 04:12:16 PM
Man, part of me just wants to media blackout everything and go in totally cold. The more sensible part of me knows I won't have the self-control to do that.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on May 28, 2014, 04:13:57 PM
Don't worry. The new British method for handling genre shows is 10 second teasers where none of the actors appear.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 07, 2014, 05:17:13 PM
Series 2 in July! Announcement made on their FB page with a picture of Jessica Hyde in some kind of holding cell.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 07, 2014, 05:57:49 PM
Total Sex.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 11, 2014, 05:47:37 PM
NOT a series 2 trailer. A recent ad to catch up on series 1:

Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 18, 2014, 10:31:02 AM
(https://greatsociety.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greatsociety.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2F10429832_675158269223346_2605646401035040182_n.jpg&hash=2d9f2af486cb34632944c3b50ea103de)
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 18, 2014, 10:54:09 AM
I bet a preview comes in the next week.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 18, 2014, 09:48:23 PM
Den of Geek says a spoiler free review is coming soon... Staying virgin on series 2 is going to be hard for me.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/utopia/30968/utopia-creator-has-fingers-crossed-for-series-3 (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/utopia/30968/utopia-creator-has-fingers-crossed-for-series-3)

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Utopia creator has "fingers crossed" for series 3

Channel 4's excellent Utopia returns for series 2 in July, and writer Dennis Kelly is hoping for a third and possibly fourth series...

In assuming Channel Four's Utopia was originally intended to be a one-off, self-contained story, we were amongst those whom creator Dennis Kelly said got it wrong. Speaking at this week's Bafta preview event for Utopia series two, Kelly told the audience that the show was always intended to be ongoing.

"It was always a series. I think that’s my mistake, because a lot of people felt like that. A lot of people thought it was a one-off, self-contained thing, but it was never supposed to be. I’ve only ever written one series before so it might have been my fault. I keep thinking, I must have got something wrong there because I didn’t let the audience know there was another one coming up. It was always intended there would be a series two”

Potentially then, Kelly was asked, there might also be a series three? "Yeah, fingers crossed", said writer Kelly, "touch wood."

It doesn't stop there. Asked about how central the graphic novel would be to later series of Utopia, Kelly answered that "It will always be there, I think. Even if we went to series three or four". However long the show runs, it's now safe to say that fans of the first series will not be disappointed by the second. Come back soon for our spoiler-free review.

Utopia returns to Channel Four this July.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 19, 2014, 08:24:46 AM
I know we constantly say that we have no idea how they could do a season two...but I never assumed that it was a one-off, self-contained story. Did people who assume that not watch the last episode, which basically ends with a cliffhanger and everything but the words "see you next year"?
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 19, 2014, 10:31:14 AM
More pics starting to come out...

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The first episode, set in the 1970s, looks at the beginning of the Janus plot.

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10421617_815926625084653_6326079153404218567_n.jpg (https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10421617_815926625084653_6326079153404218567_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 19, 2014, 11:31:13 AM
That link is dead!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 20, 2014, 03:28:22 PM
For some reason you can't link to the pictures on Utopia's FB page.

Anyway, they released another one today that's semi-spoilerish and made my brain explode.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 20, 2014, 03:37:38 PM
Super spoilerish!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 20, 2014, 03:41:52 PM
!!!!


EDIT:
Swapped out links for an HD one because that's how I roll.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 20, 2014, 04:04:44 PM
Oh...my...god... That looks awesome.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 20, 2014, 04:12:46 PM
I've already begun to speculate.

Though I'm a little worried by the incredibly tongue in cheek tone throughout. (Missus RC said the trailer plays like a "comedy remake" of the first season.) The first series had a lot of dark humor too, but the previews didn't play that out much. There's also a lot of lip service paid to the imagery of the first season. (The yellow bag, Lee's miraculous return from the dead, and his joke about Wilson keeping an eye out.) Since it's the same director I'm not overly concerned, but I'm still going to try and temper my expectations.

But yes, I've watched it a half dozen times, geeking out more with each viewing.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 20, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
They had the same sort of comedy in the first season...you just don't notice it because people are dying horribly.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 23, 2014, 01:49:57 PM
So we marathoned it (again!) this weekend...and, yes, did you all not notice season one's comedy the second one around? For every scene of shocking horror, there's a laugh-out-loud moment. 90% of Becky's dialogue is for comic effect...

From Quiet Earth:

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If you're smart, sometime over the last year you managed to catch up with Dennis Kelly's conspiracy theory home run Utopia. The show, about a group of individuals on the run in search of answers to a mystery that seems buried in a comic book, was a brilliant mix of violence and comedy and pushed more than a few hot buttons.

Season two returns with more adventures with Ian, Becky Grant and Arby and it looks like things are only going to get stranger and more violent as Ian brings the group back together to stop the mass murdering of much of the British population.


While Channel 4 hasn't made the premiere date public, we do know the show is coming in July and judging from the first trailer, it's looking just as darkly comedic and violent as the first series.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 24, 2014, 09:25:20 PM
Den of Geek has "spoiler free" reviews of the first two episodes. I so want to read them.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2014, 07:56:01 AM
Den of Geek has "spoiler free" reviews of the first two episodes. I so want to read them.

Don't do it!

Also, that means we're getting the episodes sooner rather than later in July...
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 02, 2014, 01:22:51 PM
Channel 4 hasn't been bashful in telling us the the first episode is a flashback to the the 70s and the origins of Janus, but who Rose Leslie is playing makes my brain start to twirl.

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Having spent the last couple of TV years clad in wolfskin and pointing arrows at Jon Sneurrrgh, Rose Leslie – actually an incredibly posh Scot rather than a Lancastrian – comes south of the wall for the new series of Utopia. She plays a younger version of CIA schemer Milner, revealing that the first episode is basically one long flashback set in the 70s, getting us up to speed on the origins of the Utopia experiments.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 02, 2014, 01:37:03 PM
The Rose Leslie Haters Club will start screaming "You know nothing, Jessica Hyde!"
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 02, 2014, 03:12:25 PM
Young Milner, young Mr. Rabbit, and baby Arby are all over the place now!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 02, 2014, 03:16:19 PM
Yeah, I'm hoping they announce an air date soon.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 02, 2014, 03:26:12 PM
Yeah, I'm hoping they announce an air date soon.

14 July 2014 at 10:00pm according to the pirates...
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 03, 2014, 04:33:46 PM
The pirates are right.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 10, 2014, 10:38:55 AM
Tee-Hee.

http://www.thenetworkiswatching.com/ (http://www.thenetworkiswatching.com/)
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 10, 2014, 10:52:41 AM
Tee-Hee.

http://www.thenetworkiswatching.com/ (http://www.thenetworkiswatching.com/)

Oh, man... I hope the jolly roger is on the ball. Utopia's a little bit fringey even for them. There was usually a few days lag for season one.

Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 10, 2014, 10:53:49 AM
Oh shit! It's a two hour premiere. Episodes one and two. (Listed as airing back to back by C4, but Wiki says:



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No. in
series   No. in
season   Title   Directed by   Written by   Original air date   UK Viewers (in millions)
7   1   "Pressing Matters"   TBA   TBA   14 July 2014   TBD
Back in the 1970s, Philip Carvel is forced to re-evaluate his future
8   2   "Confinement"   TBA   TBA   15 July 2014   TBD
Jessica is held while the truth of Janus is revealed
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 10, 2014, 11:02:53 AM
*SPLOOGE*
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 12, 2014, 09:35:47 AM
Rose Leslie wank. Oh, and: Holy shit!!!!

Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 12, 2014, 11:15:28 AM
Bah. Prequel nonsense. Why demystify it all by showing us Arby and Jessica as toddlers? Anakin Skywalker anyone?

My hopes are high and I'm assuming the prequel shit is necessary for the series 2 story but that didn't excite me.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 12, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
Just episode one... I'm fine with it because they have to explain their apparent cloning of dead characters!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
So... what say the pirates?
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2014, 01:01:39 PM
So... what say the pirates?

It doesn't air for another 5 hours...
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2014, 01:32:55 PM
*junkie feeming*
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2014, 08:30:28 PM
In hand!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2014, 10:52:14 PM
Gah! blurbity! njifh,bersbeskj
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 15, 2014, 06:52:28 AM
You know nothing, Phillip Carville.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 16, 2014, 08:06:58 PM
I just watched all the clips on YouTube.

Sex.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 17, 2014, 10:14:45 AM
We've been religiously avoiding it and all news because we're waiting for your stupid ass.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 17, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
I'm unavailable before next week, so pull the trigger and hook me up!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 17, 2014, 12:14:26 PM
You're going to hear aout this.

First two eps will appear in magicland sometime after 5pm tonight.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 17, 2014, 12:31:23 PM
My life is an utter shit show right now, so I'll be happily drunk when the Throne Maiden reams me out for this.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 17, 2014, 10:19:22 PM
Popcorn......popped.

Mrs RC....in pajamas.

Throne Maiden....in pajamas.

Beer and wine....poured.


Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 21, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
Okay, so the prequel episode far exceeded my expectations.  Rose Leslie sort of humanizes Milner even as the portrayal makes her into more of a monster. It's a painfully human monster. I'm not sure bringing Jessica's "Cristoff" or whatever his name is into it was necessary, but who cares. The evolution of Pietre/Arby was horrifyingly awesome.

Ian McDiarmund's "Anton" has to be older Carvillle. I'm calling it now. I bet we also meet Jessica's Cristoff later.

I have issues with the second episode, most of which I'm willing to forgive if things improve from here on out. I should also note that I was half brain dead from exhaustion when I watched these and they're something of a blur. I need to rewatch.

I feel like they set-up too much, too fast. Should I remember Donaldson? I don't.  He confuses me as to where he came from. (After some research, was he the guy always baiting Becky with Deel's drugs?  Is there a different actor playing him?)

The whole Becky re-introduction was sudden and head scratching. I assume we'll figure out what she's been up to that led us to reacquainting with her right as she's about to leap off a building in Deel's induced depression?  I also don't like Jeff, the head of Corvadt, now being worried about his career. You've been a shady Illuminati for this long and now you're worried about your career? Fuck me.

There's certainly aspects I like. The touch of having Ian back at his old job and leading us into the new adventure the same way he led us into the first was nice. I like his love/hate relationship with Grant. Michael Dugdale ending up in Leten and Letts old office hints as something sinister. Quick introduction aside, I really still like Becky even though Missus RC kind of hates her.

The best bits are with Arby and Jessica. The scene where Lee visits Arby has all the old tension and foreboding of Series 1. It was hands down the best scene of the show. The Lee/Wilson dynamic has the potential to offer some interesting moments. Jessica's Hannibal Lecter style incarceration is also amazing. I can't wait for the escape.

I guess it could have been drawn out in a way that made it more interesting. It feels like too many moving parts at once. The last series led us in more slowly and smoothly. The pacing feels off, and it only really feels like the old Utopia when Jessica and Arby are on screen.

So, yes. We're back. V-Day is coming! You've paid all the lip service to Series 1 you need to and got the old gang back together. (Both way faster than you needed to, I might add.) Let's move on and tell a good story, shall we?
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 21, 2014, 01:04:59 PM
Watch it all again.

Arby killed Christoff, remember? That's pre-season one (and why they are hunting Jessica), but we do see it in flashback.

Donaldson is the asshole, "disgraced" doctor that our poor sap brought the severed finger to, and who was blackmailing Becky for the manuscript. He's important. But yes! A new actor. We GoT survivors are used to unannounced actor changes.

Of note is that Becky is not only in London, but with Donaldson. As in, what we suspected about her in the first season is, apparently, somewhat true. Now, Donaldson has done something bad since we last saw him. Milner really wants him dead, eh? It's all about him... So how is Becky involved in that? Surely she knows, because they're both squatting in that abandoned building. Becky and Donaldson are both on the run from Milner's forces. What does Donaldson know? Why are they in hiding? We know he was a player in Corvadt... If Becky is just a poor rube, then why is she putting herself in known danger?

Jeff is not the head of Corvadt -- he's an elected minister and toady. He was also very worried about his career throughout season one. Remember when they asked him to kill Stephen Rea? He's responsible for nationalizing Corvadt so it's run by the government, that's why he's being treated like he's the head.

That scene where he voiced his concern to Milner came right after the sudden and unexpected development where Janus is being administered not to the UK as a test group (as originally planned), but to the entire world all at once. They dropped a bomb on him, and when he finally spoke up they shut him down by tying us in to the first episode -- the realization there (for him) was that The Network controls the entire government at a greater level than he perhaps suspected. I also think it would be feasible for him to worry about his job as an elected official when Milner casually outlines the "harvesting the rich" plan...which was fucking mind-blowing. They're going to kill the 1% to pay for the global dosing. Corrupt politician or not, Milner just told Jeff that his base constituency is going to be turned into Soylent Green.   

I thought both episodes were perfect. This is exactly the pacing the show needs -- season one (and the first episode of this season) was all prologue. We're now into chapter one. Janus is going to be administered on a global level, and episode two was an introduction to our cast and made damn sure we knew and understood where everyone was on the board.

I've seen critics making a Terminator - Terminator II comparison between the seasons.

Episode two's framing, particularly, was excellent. All the crosses!  And did you notice how Becky crossed that sunlit room? Always on the shadows. And our players (antagonists vs. protagonists) are all color coded now.

Yes, that is old Carvel. (Obviously. His handwriting and drawing is the same.) Further, Becky recognizes him.  (And why would Becky recognize him, eh?)





Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 21, 2014, 01:20:24 PM
Arby killed Christoff, remember? That's pre-season one (and why they are hunting Jessica), but we do see it in flashback.

Oh, I remember. But Carville and Lee were supposed to be dead too, right?

Donaldson is the asshole, "disgraced" doctor that our poor sap brought the severed finger to, and who was blackmailing Becky for the manuscript. He's important. But yes! A new actor. We GoT survivors are used to unannounced actor changes.
The actor change probably accounts for 90% of my confusion and issues in this episode.

Of note is that Becky is not only in London, but with Donaldson. As in, what we suspected about her in the first season is, apparently, somewhat true. Now, Donaldson has done something bad since we last saw him. Milner really wants him dead, eh? It's all about him... So how is Becky involved in that? Surely she knows, because they're both squatting in that abandoned building. Becky and Donaldson are both on the run from Milner's forces. What does Donaldson know? Why are they in hiding? We know he was a player in Corvadt... If Becky is just a poor rube, then why is she putting herself in known danger?

Donaldson was always trying to make a buck and watch the Apocalypse in luxury, so I imagine that's his endgame here. Now that I know who he is, I expect him to double cross the Scooby-gang at some point.

I'll rewatch. I was literally drooling through part of it.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 21, 2014, 01:25:40 PM
Arby killed Christoff, remember? That's pre-season one (and why they are hunting Jessica), but we do see it in flashback.

Oh, I remember. But Carville and Lee were supposed to be dead too, right?

Christoff told Jessica that Carvel was dead, which was invalidated (and explained) in the first episode.

Did you notice that they reshot the scene where Wilson shot Lee to make the wound less life-threatening?

Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 21, 2014, 01:27:02 PM
I didn't notice the reshoot.

I have a feeling there's a lot I didn't notice.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 28, 2014, 07:34:49 PM
Deleted scene from S2.E2 that actually could help give Grant, you know, something to do.

Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 29, 2014, 08:26:20 AM
Thank god that was deleted! That's embarrassingly bad... And would have totally fucked the narrative as it is now.

Grant's got plenty to do! In fact, he has the same thing to do as he did in the last half of the first season -- he's part of the faux Ian and Becky nuclear family.

And now, as he was at the start of season one, he'll move into the back half of season two as something of an antagonist, because there's no way he can reconcile with Arby.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 29, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
At this point, Grant is the only character with nothing to do and no agenda. I suppose his relationship with Jessica will come into play when she rejoins the fold. In fact, I can see an Ian rejection of Jessica allowing for a split in which Grant decides to go with Jessica rather than stay with Ian.

Also, Lee keeps telling Arby that he needs to "bring him back in." It occurred to me this AM that the modification Carvel made may also be present in Arby. If they can't get it from Jessica, does the Network think they can get it from Arby?
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 31, 2014, 11:25:53 AM
Episode 4 was an emotional roller coaster. I have no idea how all this is going to end up.

I'm glad Donaldson is dead, and after all my complaining about Grant having no narrative function, he ends up being vital to this episode. The theme of Series 2 has been Arby's "There are no friends; just people who help you and people who don't." I fully expect anybody at any moment to stab somebody in the back.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 31, 2014, 11:41:18 AM
I had no problem with Grant prior to this episode because they were clearly building up to that episode four moment. They're very subtly (or maybe it's actually overt, in hindsight) doing the zombie movie trope -- the group's center does not hold. .

I wonder who Carville decided the master race would be... The American version will be "all of us! We're saved!" But I'm afraid that the UK version will be "only cats who can ride Roombas."

Speaking of which, here's the meme that was playing when Carville flipped out. What was cute and funny a few years ago is now stark and ominous to Utopia fans, eh?

Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 31, 2014, 12:43:10 PM
They've pulled no punches. After episode 2 (the first present day episode) I had my doubts, but it's swinging around nicely. That there's only two more episodes is sort of depressing as I feel like they've just gotten warmed up.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 31, 2014, 12:56:52 PM
Oh, god, no. Two more episodes is perfect! You can't continue this plot into a lengthier format! Because now Milner is in Stephen Rea's position and will be on the run/killed, Arby and/or Wilson and Lee will bond together when one or the other  realize the truth behind Janus and decide to stop it (and Carville gave Becky the instructions on how to stop it), the Money Woman will pull the trigger while our fractured group race to stop the deployment of the flu bombs, and -- cliffhanger!

Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 31, 2014, 01:35:25 PM
The Daily Mail's hateful review could be used to win new viewers over!


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The obvious response is to ignore Utopia (C4), the malicious and obscene conspiracy drama that claims a Gestapo-style security service was running Britain in the Seventies and Eighties. As television, it is beneath contempt.
But what it reveals about its young audience is far more frightening than any of the hackneyed, incoherent storylines that its writer Dennis Kelly could devise.
The first series of Utopia last year won fans among viewers who must be abjectly ignorant about every aspect of modern history — the kind of people who think Barack Obama is Britain’s president.
According to Kelly’s script, Margaret Thatcher’s government was put in power by deranged MI5 agents with swastikas carved into their stomachs, while IRA terrorism was a front that let British spies assassinate anyone who tried to oppose their scheme for mass eugenics — a drug that would wipe out 90 per cent of humanity and leave a single master-race in possession of the Earth.
Kelly knows his plot is third-rate comic-book drivel. That’s why he attempts to dignify it with a historical setting.
His audience wouldn’t know or care if all the background was fiction and sci-fi. But Kelly insisted on weaving in news footage, such as the discovery of kidnapped Italian politician Aldo Moro’s corpse, stuffed into the boot of a car. That’s a meaningless reference, given the depth of his viewers’ ignorance. They probably think Aldo Moro was a second-rate supermarket.

To highlight these historical nuggets, some truly dire dialogue was supplied. The lines landed like lumps of breezeblock: ‘As you know, there’s a vote of no confidence in Mr Callaghan and his government, this Friday in fact. If we win, Margaret will become Prime Minister. Hooray.’
Another character stood in a warehouse stacked with unburied coffins, during the 1978/79 strikes, and announced: ‘They’re calling it the Winter of Discontent’ — as though his colleagues were aliens beamed down from a distant constellation.
Some of the actors deserved all the crass lines they got. Rose Leslie, who played an outlaw archer in Game Of Thrones and MI5’s psychopath-in-chief in Utopia, has called it a ‘history lesson’ filled with ‘brilliant political intrigue’.
Rose’s arrow-happy character in GoT had a catchphrase: ‘You know nothing!’ Very apt.
In the end, the abysmal storylines can be shrugged off. So what if the hero (Tom Burke from The Musketeers), ended up having his fingernails pulled out by the secret service’s pet torturer, in a nuclear power station? No one forces us to watch such tosh.
Kelly’s insults that defame real people are far worse. The family of war hero Airey Neave denounced the programme at the weekend for portraying him — very wrongly — as a boozy political fixer. This man, who escaped from Nazi prison camp Colditz, deserves a statue, not smears.
More worrying still is the depth of wilful ignorance that Utopia exposes in its young audience. Anyone who watched this dross and was taken in by it should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 31, 2014, 01:42:01 PM
Obviously written by a Tory.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 31, 2014, 01:46:24 PM
So let's talk about use of color! Red in the first episode for the title, and Milner, which is now replaced by Money Woman wearing all red.

Yellow = good? Green = bad? Also notice Lee's heterochroma, matched with his clothes. Interesting touch. Since we're being asked so heavy-handedly to pay attention to this genetic defect of his, it has me thinking all sorts of Carville tie-ins...

Oh! And Dugdale's dark/sickly blue filter....
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 31, 2014, 02:14:48 PM
You should be in film school.

I like the different field we've opened each episode with. (Save the first.) This Sam Donovan who took over Episode 4 after Mark Munden's three episodes seems to stick with Munden's aesthetic a bit more than the other guys (whose names elude me) who did the last there episodes of Series 1. I need to rematch for technique, but I've been struck by the color as well. Milner has become more muted.

If Yellow equals good then why is Lee wearing it? That guy is far from good.

Dugdale's shifting backgrounds are interesting. They started yellow and have gotten darker. I really wonder what's going to become of him.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 31, 2014, 02:20:04 PM
I think Lee will save us all. Or, rather, almost...before Wilson kills him.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on August 08, 2014, 12:16:58 PM
Okay... Episode 5 was the "slow down" episode, and all a touch too convenient. Not entirely happy with it...but, of course, it's still ten times better than anything else on TV. And we sort of needed a slow down episode because episode 4 was emotionally exhausting and gave me nightmares.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 08, 2014, 03:20:02 PM
This is all before the final episode freakout, I presume. (Haven't watched s2e5 yet.)
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on August 08, 2014, 06:05:36 PM
This is all before the final episode freakout, I presume. (Haven't watched s2e5 yet.)

Oh, god. Final episode Tuesday. We spent three hours last night talking about it... And 17 emails so far today. We are100% clueless now.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 11, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
Slow down episode? That ending was Shakespearean in its character housecleaning.


The "Gods atop Mount Olympus" imagery was awesome.

How will it end?!?!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on August 11, 2014, 12:39:45 PM
Slow down episode? That ending was Shakespearean in its character housecleaning.


The "Gods atop Mount Olympus" imagery was awesome.

How will it end?!?!

Okay, okay... I guess episode four was just so intense that five almost seemed...clean. Like coming into the office after they cleaned up the gallons of blood and going back to work!

The Shakespearean aspect was a bit clumsy though, yes? A dead zone where they can still trace phones? All of the main characters showing up at the same place even though they're at different start points and that's kind of far away and half of the people converging on the place are wanted by, you know, the entire planet.

Also, in terms of homogeneous groups, the Roma aren't the best pick.  That whole subplot seems kind of lame (especially considering the first episode hung a lampshade on the idea anyway -- there's no such thing as "race.") They would have done better to single out some BS sci-fi genome and technobabbled through it instead of the heavy handed "Carville becomes as bad as the Nazis because he picked a race." But calling "race" genetic when you've already agreed in-story with the real world science that race is not genetic is really weird.

Still the best show on TV, though... No idea how the finale will shape up. The Network has crumbled, there's no way to reverse the command... So a cat and mouse race to stop the bombs, presuming Carville knows their location. Except he can't, so...

I'd say the only way to end would be with something dismal and apocalyptic, but Kelley says to plan on a season three...
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on August 13, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Working very hard to avoid spoilers...but, apparently, the finale was the best thing ever and has left everyone screaming for a third season.

We'll probably hit it tonight... Though a part of me wants to avoid watching this show at night.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on August 23, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
Utopia finale at eight! Followed by the Doctor Who premiere...or...suicide...
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 29, 2014, 10:53:45 AM
Missus RC watched the finale last night. I was drunk and fell asleep about five minutes again. Plan on watching it before I see you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: monkey! on September 10, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
Just finished Season 1 Episode 1... fun!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on September 10, 2014, 04:48:25 PM
Oh, man...what a ride you have ahead of you.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 11, 2014, 11:10:30 AM
Season 1 is one of the best pieces of anything I've ever watched.

I still haven't watched the season 2 finale. My wife has, but I fell asleep five minutes in. Something in me doesn't care which I suppose says something about how I feel about season 2 as a whole.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on September 11, 2014, 11:20:35 AM
Season two was just as amazing as season one. I think it's important to see the two seasons as two standalone shows. Season one was more thrill-based, season two was more intellectual based.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 11, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
I think I experienced season two with a bit of Star Wars prequels syndrome. The big reveals in season one where a masterpiece of story construction; complex ideas presented in simple ways. Season two for the most part has struck me as being heavy on plot in order to create different kind of character reveals because they know they can't match the (okay, thrill ride) reveals of the first season. Yet there's so much lip service paid to the first season, that you can't help but refer back to it. They reference three mile island and Thatcher and set this grand extermination in motion, but it's just variation in the big reveal at the end of the first season.

I was also a big hot stressed out mess when I was watching most of the episodes and out of town for the others so maybe I just need to take a rainy day and marathon the whole thing again.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on September 11, 2014, 12:19:35 PM
Yes, you should. Star Wars is a good analogy -- except not the prequels. I think season two will prove to be akin to Empire. Which means season three will end horribly.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: monkey! on September 13, 2014, 07:47:36 AM
Season 2 still has those gruesome murders.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 30, 2014, 03:38:28 PM
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/david-fincher-will-direct-the-entire-first-season-of-hbos-utopia-in-2015-20140929 (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/david-fincher-will-direct-the-entire-first-season-of-hbos-utopia-in-2015-20140929)

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David Fincher Will Direct The Entire First Season Of HBO's 'Utopia' In 2015

While David Fincher is no stranger to the small screen format (see our ranking of the 55 music videos he's directed to date), when it comes to actually getting behind the camera for TV episodes, he's hasn't quite jumped completely in the pool. At least not yet, but he's about to make the leap. As the executive producer on "House Of Cards," he only helmed the first two episodes. But as we recently noted, that's about to change. Fincher is about to shift away from movies into TV in a big way. And with his upcoming series "Utopia," it looks like Fincher is borrowing a page from his pal Steven Soderbergh, who dropped movies and headed to Cinemax to film the entire first season of "The Knick" (which you absolutely need to be watching if you're not already).

Chatting with The Guardian, Fincher revealed that he will be behind the camera for every episode of HBO's remake of the U.K. series "Utopia." The project, which has been brewing for a while, was given a series order by the network earlier this year, with "Gone Girl" author Gillian Flynn also on board to produce. The show (which has two seasons overseas) follows a group of people who get their hands on a cult graphic novel called "The Utopia Experiments," which seems to have predicted no shortage of disasters. An organization known only as The Network hunts them down as the group tries to prevent the next disaster predicted in the pages of the manuscript from happening.

“I like the world of it,” Fincher told the paper. “I like the characters – I love Dennis’s [Kelly, creator of the U.K. show] honesty and affinity for the nerds. I mean, I’ve always been a bit of a junior conspiracy theorist because I don’t have time to connect them all! But it’s nice to see that somebody has.”

Fincher joins a growing number of directors taking their auteurist approach to the more freeing world of television. Need some examples? Okay, there's Sean Durkin ("Southcliffe," the excellent mini-series now streaming on Netflix), Jill Soloway ("Transparent," one of the best of Amazon's new shows), Jane Campion ("Top Of The Lake"), Cary Fukunaga ("True Detective")....you get the idea. Clearly, Fincher sees where the artistry is going and is following suit.

The gig will keep Fincher busy for much of 2015, and after that, he says he doesn't know his next movie yet and that's likely because he has at least two more TV shows in the works.  “Oddly enough,” he says, “I did a remake of a literary adaptation, then I did a remake of a television show. Now I’m doing a literary adaptation [and then remaking another show]. I don’t know: the pattern is not clear to me exactly what it is that I’m doing. But I’m sure it’ll be illuminated for me. Your job is context. I’m just a hamster on a wheel!” And we can't wait see where that wheel spins next.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on November 25, 2014, 04:49:40 PM
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Utopia will not be renewed for a third series on Channel 4, the broadcaster has confirmed.




Read more: http://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/news/a602435/utopia-will-not-be-renewed-for-series-3-as-channel-4-cancels-show.html#~oWF5a9j2yG1uZM#ixzz3K7DawCFy
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Kelly pitched a two-hour wrap-up special, and Channel 4 axed that as well.

This isn't really all that surprising, and might be for the best. I can't imagine a third season...

meanwhile, on HBO, things seem exciting. Not only is Fincher directing the entire season, but Gone Girl's Gillian Flynn is writing the entire season. Sounds like they're just planning on making a 10 hour movie...
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 25, 2014, 05:14:20 PM
I was just thinking about how I still haven't watched the Season 2 finale.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on November 25, 2014, 05:22:59 PM
I was just thinking about how I still haven't watched the Season 2 finale.

Well, now it will just piss you off.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 25, 2014, 05:48:59 PM
I need to binge watch all twelve episodes.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: monkey! on November 26, 2014, 10:02:44 AM
Do it.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2015, 10:40:49 AM
And since we mentioned Utopia in the Humans thread...

I still haven't revisited the second series, but all time has done is make me forget it. The first series was perfect to me, but with the exception of a couple moments, I never went whole hog into the second.

http://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/news/a612100/channel-4-turned-down-utopia-special-says-writer-dennis-kelly.html (http://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/news/a612100/channel-4-turned-down-utopia-special-says-writer-dennis-kelly.html)

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Channel 4 turned down Utopia special, says writer Dennis Kelly

Channel 4 turned down a Utopia two-hour special, according to writer Dennis Kelly.

In an interview with The Independent, Dennis admitted that the team behind the series "knew" the cancellation news would eventually arrive.

"I think we all knew it was coming," said Kelly. "The people who liked it really liked it, but the ratings were just bad. I don't know why. I think going out in the summer didn't help."

He continued to say that they wanted to wrap up the story with a special episode, but their offer was declined.

"It's gutting not being able to finish the story," he said. "We did want to do a special. We said to [Channel 4], 'I could finish it off with a two-hour special,' but they weren't going for it.

"I understand, though. It was a risky show to do."

Utopia was canceled after two series, and featured actors including Geraldine James, Ian McDiarmid, Rose Leslie and Nathan Stewart-Jarrett.

David Fincher is creating a US remake of the series, which is thought to premiere on HBO in 2015.

Gone Girl author Gillian Flynn will be a scriptwriter for the project.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2015, 10:51:36 AM
I linked to we talked about that article a few posts up, RC. Your dementia's setting in! And my advice remains the same -- do not revisit the second series. With no followup, you'll just be disappointed.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2015, 11:08:45 AM
Your dementia's setting in!

Where are my car keys?! I just had them in my hand!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2015, 11:25:40 AM
Your dementia's setting in!

Where are my car keys?! I just had them in my hand!

Check the freezer, Pop-Pop!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2015, 11:53:16 AM
Your dementia's setting in!

Where are my car keys?! I just had them in my hand!

Check the freezer, Pop-Pop!

Oh, look! It's that hooker's arm I thought I buried.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2015, 11:55:37 AM
Don't say that on a public forum, Pop-Pop!!
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 31, 2015, 01:08:41 PM
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/david-fincher-will-direct-the-entire-first-season-of-hbos-utopia-in-2015-20140929 (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/david-fincher-will-direct-the-entire-first-season-of-hbos-utopia-in-2015-20140929)

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David Fincher Will Direct The Entire First Season Of HBO's 'Utopia' In 2015

While David Fincher is no stranger to the small screen format (see our ranking of the 55 music videos he's directed to date), when it comes to actually getting behind the camera for TV episodes, he's hasn't quite jumped completely in the pool. At least not yet, but he's about to make the leap. As the executive producer on "House Of Cards," he only helmed the first two episodes. But as we recently noted, that's about to change. Fincher is about to shift away from movies into TV in a big way. And with his upcoming series "Utopia," it looks like Fincher is borrowing a page from his pal Steven Soderbergh, who dropped movies and headed to Cinemax to film the entire first season of "The Knick" (which you absolutely need to be watching if you're not already).

Chatting with The Guardian, Fincher revealed that he will be behind the camera for every episode of HBO's remake of the U.K. series "Utopia." The project, which has been brewing for a while, was given a series order by the network earlier this year, with "Gone Girl" author Gillian Flynn also on board to produce. The show (which has two seasons overseas) follows a group of people who get their hands on a cult graphic novel called "The Utopia Experiments," which seems to have predicted no shortage of disasters. An organization known only as The Network hunts them down as the group tries to prevent the next disaster predicted in the pages of the manuscript from happening.

“I like the world of it,” Fincher told the paper. “I like the characters – I love Dennis’s [Kelly, creator of the U.K. show] honesty and affinity for the nerds. I mean, I’ve always been a bit of a junior conspiracy theorist because I don’t have time to connect them all! But it’s nice to see that somebody has.”

Fincher joins a growing number of directors taking their auteurist approach to the more freeing world of television. Need some examples? Okay, there's Sean Durkin ("Southcliffe," the excellent mini-series now streaming on Netflix), Jill Soloway ("Transparent," one of the best of Amazon's new shows), Jane Campion ("Top Of The Lake"), Cary Fukunaga ("True Detective")....you get the idea. Clearly, Fincher sees where the artistry is going and is following suit.

The gig will keep Fincher busy for much of 2015, and after that, he says he doesn't know his next movie yet and that's likely because he has at least two more TV shows in the works.  “Oddly enough,” he says, “I did a remake of a literary adaptation, then I did a remake of a television show. Now I’m doing a literary adaptation [and then remaking another show]. I don’t know: the pattern is not clear to me exactly what it is that I’m doing. But I’m sure it’ll be illuminated for me. Your job is context. I’m just a hamster on a wheel!” And we can't wait see where that wheel spins next.


And HBO just killed this. So passes Utopia...
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 31, 2015, 01:10:17 PM
It was it's own beautiful thing.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on July 31, 2015, 01:11:22 PM
It was it's own beautiful thing.

It died so GoT could get bumped to 8 seasons AND start a prequel spinoff series. 
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: monkey! on December 18, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
I started to rematch Utopia. It holds up beautifully.

'Where is Jessica Hyde?'
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 18, 2015, 11:36:53 AM
I watch the first episode every couple months for inspiration.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 05, 2019, 05:58:44 PM
I will of course watch it.

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/sasha-lane-utopia-amazon-1203122296/

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Sasha Lane to Star in Amazon Drama Series ‘Utopia’

Sasha Lane has been cast in a lead role in the upcoming Amazon series “Utopia,” Variety has learned.

Based on the British series of the same name created by Dennis Kelly, “Utopia” follows group of young adults who meet online and are mercilessly hunted by a shadowy deep state organization after they come in to possession of a near mythical cult underground graphic novel. They discover the conspiracy theories in the comic’s pages may actually be real and are forced in to the dangerous, unique and ironic position of saving the world.

Lane will play Jessica Hyde. Described as tough and feral after a life on the run from a mysterious and dangerous group, Jessica believes all the answers about her perplexing life story may be hidden in the graphic novel “Utopia.”

“As I’ve been writing ‘Utopia’ and trying to imagine the actor who could possibly embody Jessica Hyde, Sasha Lane has constantly kicked her way into my mind,” series creator Gillian Flynn said. “She has the shape-shifting ability to feel at once raw, unpredictable and a little unnerving while also making you want to wrap your arms around her. I couldn’t be more thrilled to have her play this utterly unique character.”

Lane made her onscreen debut in the 2016 film “American Honey.” She has gone on to star in films such as “Hearts Beat Loud” and “The Miseducation of Cameron Post.” She will next be seen in the film “Hellboy” and “Weetzie Bat.”

She is repped by WME, The Long Run, and attorney André Des Rochers.

Amazon ordered a nine-episode first season of “Utopia” back in April. The original series aired two six-episode seasons on Britain’s Channel 4 between 2013 and 2014.

The series is a co-production between Endemol Shine North America and Kudos, an Endemol Shine Group UK production studio, and Amazon Studios. Flynn will serve as executive producer and showrunner with Kelly also set to executive produce. Jessica Rhoades, who collaborated with Flynn on “Sharp Objects,” will also executive produce along with Sharon Hall, Karen Wilson, and Diederick Santer. Sharon Levy, president of unscripted and scripted television for Endemol Shine North America, will oversee production for Endemol Shine.

Flynn is best known for writing the novel “Gone Girl” as well as the screenplay for the blockbuster film adaptation of the same name. Her novel “Sharp Objects” was also adapted as an HBO miniseries by Marti Noxon with Amy Adams in the lead role. Flynn wrote multiple episodes of the series in addition to executive producing.

She first became attached to “Utopia” in 2014 when it was set up at HBO with “Gone Girl” director David Fincher set to direct and executive produce. But the series stalled in 2015 when Fincher and HBO were reportedly unable to come to terms on the show’s budget. That will likely be less of a problem with Amazon, as the streamer has undergone a major programming shift in recent months. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos has called for the streaming service to develop large-scale dramas with global appeal, such as the upcoming “Lord of the Rings” television adaptation.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on February 05, 2019, 06:10:00 PM
Oh, man... Utiopia became such a shitstorm in season two, and the American/HBO remake nonsense. It's almost exhausting to see this now. Like, I watched this horse die five years ago and was spattered by its blood.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 06, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
That first series is still one of my favorite anythings ever.
Title: Re: Utopia
Post by: nacho on February 06, 2019, 03:32:47 PM
That first series is still one of my favorite anythings ever.

It is amazing, yes. But I've never wanted to go back to it because of how terribly they dropped the ball....and how much that dropped ball has bounced for half a decade.