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Title: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 12:51:31 PM
Here, I'll watch it while the phones are ringing like crazy. That means it'll take all day.

We start with "At the dawn of the 22nd Century..." Our information scroll thing playing over a very sick looking Earth.

And then the Earth 2 logo comes up and... No! Wait. Sorry...
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:02:23 PM
Haha! Oh no! Okay...zoom down on a gritty city, our main guy is walking through the filthy hallways of his dystopian apartment complex. In he goes to his apartment through his fancy door, and his son makes his entrance -- via fire pole! So zzzzip -- thunk. Hey dad!

80 seconds in and it's already an unintentional comedy.

I hope every character enters a scene via fire pole throughout the pilot.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:09:50 PM
Population Control! Come to toss the apartment, as you do. I want that job. Go house to house and tear everything apart like a bunch of psychotic Nazis.

Our hero has a little girl. Against the law! She has to be hidden from the Population Control guys. Who would probably treat her better than, say, the Velociraptors we're about to meet.

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:12:30 PM
Oh! Our guy beats up the Pop Con guys and goes to jail for two years. No more fire pole entrances! Well...not in the way he's used to.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 27, 2011, 01:19:49 PM
This thread is awesome!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:22:08 PM
Meanwhile, on the Blade Runner set, giant TV screens are explaining exactly how they magically discovered time travel and what Terra Nova is.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:29:45 PM
Awesome! Main guy breaks out of jail...um...off camera. We next see him on a crowded subway car where he takes a razor blade, cuts open his side (and we cut to people who are passively watching him do this), and he pulls out a tracking device. Which, I guess, is the prison tracking device. I'm sure it'll all become clear.

It might behoove the future Department of Prisons to, maybe, set up their tracking devices to trip an alarm when their prisoners escape.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:35:05 PM
Oh, good! His wife left him a duffle bag full of money, ID's, and weapons!

She left it in a corner on the street where half the population is eeking out a miserable, homeless existence. I guess none of the 5 billion people in Chicago were like, hmmm, I wonder what's in that bag that rich, well-fed doctor just covered up with a newspaper.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
Multipass!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:46:51 PM
Considering that the Terra Nova complex is, according to his son, just as high security as the prison, I guess the prison break makes sense. All our guy has to do is latch himself onto the bottom of an SUV, which drives into the complex -- and up a pedestrian hallway. Then, in front of tons of people wandering around (not to mention whoever's in the car), he rolls out from underneath and casually walks down a corridor.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 01:56:43 PM
Oh no! He's going into hyperox-something shock! We're 85 million years in the past through the Stargate and everyone's disoriented.

Also, our main guy ran through wielding a gun so he hyst gets arrested again. LOL.

Now, the big question -- the kid who was taken away by Pop Con has been in the mother's fucking backpack the whole time, and thrown all around, and is the same age as she was two years ago...and...what?

So, basically, there is NO security in the 22nd century.

Anyway, it just takes 17 minutes of prologue to get to the Land of the Lost (CGI version). Which I'm a little bit thankful for.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:07:53 PM
"How much trouble do you think we're in?"

What? For stowing away into the past where there's only a small colony of humans who have access to all the supplies they need while they irrevocably fuck up the timeline? None at all. Why would anyone care?

Though it would be amusing to discover that they've gone through all the trouble of building a time machine just so they can set up a prehistoric fascist dictatorship. Actually...I'm kind of rooting for that.

We're walking towards the wall of Terra Nova now. No dinosaurs yet.

Customers keep calling me and being crazy. Don't they know I'm in the middle of some gripping Fox drama!!!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:11:47 PM
"Do you think they'll make you serve the rest of your time?"

"I hope not. I'm not scheduled to be released for 85 million years."

Ha, ha, ha. File under: Jokes written at 3am the night before the scene was filmed.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:14:20 PM
"They're so white."

*cut to the clouds*

Oh! The clouds. Right. I thought you meant -- EVERYONE AT TERRA NOVA!

Oh, sorry. There is a black guy. Countdown to him being eaten by velociraptor starts....now!

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:17:54 PM
Dinosaur! Or the sounds of one at least. And a camera-shaking explosion.

Everyone watch the black guy!

"Allosaur tripped a sonic mine!" says the guard. "Let's keep moving."

Um...okay. So, like, are we okay? No? Yes? Should we put the black guy in the front or the back?

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:26:28 PM
Oh, good. Terra Nova looks like it's just reusing the Aeon Flux city-set!

And, yes, it's a military dictatorship run by space marines. Awesome.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:29:49 PM
"Doctor of Science in immunology, bacteriology, and other ologies I can't pronounce..."

Hi, I'll be your amusingly salty military governor! Do you like giant dinosaur skulls?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:35:18 PM
Haha!

Governor: What I ought to do is throw you outside the wall and let you fend for yourself.

Our main guy: What you ought to do is give me a gun and a badge and let me do what I'm good at. There must be some bad guys around here who need catching?

Oh! Good idea! Give the escaped fugitive a gun so he can "catch bad guys" at the military-controlled colony comprised entirely of scientists and toadies selected by the government!

Luckily...the governor puts him on farming detail. But, for a second there, I was worried.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:40:03 PM
Son: I guess we just have to forget about the last two years we had to fend for ourselves because dad was in jail!

*gasp!*

Yeah, a hard two years with your wealthy, highly-specialized mother that got you out of a dystopian nightmare and into a prehistoric paradise run by a lovable sea captain and his team of extraordinarily attractive officers. Sad.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:44:11 PM
First dinosaur! The little girl feeds it and smiles and shows no fear at an animal that's the size of a building because she's a sweet child.

Also -- the jungle is full of sonic mines to keep dinosaurs away, yet the dinosaurs can still get right up to the fence and frolic with Terra Novans?

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:44:57 PM
Maybe the sonic mines only work on meeeean dinos?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:46:56 PM
Why is there so much worry about whether or not coming to Terra Nova was the right thing?

Was it? I don't know....hmmm...lawless paradise or choke to death on a dead Earth. Hmmm...

Cake or death!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
"You used up the hot water."

"The solar panels can only heat up so much at one time."

"Yeah, blame it on the sun."

Countdown to the oldest son getting punched by someone begins...now!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:49:56 PM
That black guy must still be out in the jungle.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:52:04 PM
Oh! They explain the paradox.

So they've started a "new time stream." Butterfly effect discussion. Blah blah. (Actors turn to camera and take each of our hands.) 
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:54:38 PM
Actually, the son's attitude makes sense. I hate everyone at Terra Nova, too.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 02:58:01 PM
The doctors use gigantic leeches to "get rid of excess oxygen from the blood" when folks chronically hyperox-whatever.

Yes. Seriously. I can't believe I just typed that. People are hyperventilating so...they bleed them with a bookbag-sized leech?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:05:02 PM
Kids blow off steam by sneaking out into the jungle and high diving into swimming holes. I'm sure nothing will go wrong! This scene can't possibly end with them running from velociraptors!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:07:09 PM
Also, the kids find signs of advanced, intelligent life and don't report it?

"I found this while exploring."

*geometric patterns/equations*

"Who did this?"

"I don't know. But why do it on a bunch of rocks?" Hee-haw!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:08:29 PM
The girl then goes on to say that the kid can't mention this because the whole place is off limits. "It's as if Taylor doesn't want anybody to know about this place."

So! Anyway. Back to swimming. ASK NO QUESTIONS!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:13:42 PM
I think it's important that the oldest daughter is a better dinosaur expert than anyone at Terra Nova. Maybe future Earth could send through a paleontologist next time?

Or is that one of those ologies people can't pronounce?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:15:46 PM
Haha! Back to Aeon Flux. There's a rival settlement bent on destroying Terra Nova. The "sixers" who broke away from the sixth batch of colonists and now want to kill the salty commander.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:18:08 PM
Ha! Well...it took 15 minutes (and one day show-time) for our main guy to get his badge and his gun. Despite the fact that every third colonist is a heavily armed marine.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:20:19 PM
Yay! First dino kill!

And the Red Shirt goes  *CRUNCH*
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:24:20 PM
The sonic cannons are the coolest effect yet.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:28:34 PM
So after establishing that the Sixers are an evil enemy trying to fuck shit up, they save some Sixers and it seems more like they have a tenuous sort of truce and occasional gunboat diplomacy trading.

Or maybe it was just a one-off incident and everybody gives up easily.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:35:20 PM
Oh, okay. Instead of velociraptors we get nocturnal "slashers." So far just talked about.

I want some slasher action!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:38:23 PM
Second black guy!

He's a Sixer.

A dinosaur eats him after 40 seconds of screen time.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:41:34 PM
Slashers!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:43:15 PM
For the record, one of the group of kids is black. So there is a third one! We'll see if he makes it through the slasher attack, though.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
Oh, and one of the girls in the group of kids is black, too. By Jim Crow standards, at least. She manages to avoid the somewhat alarming bug-eyed stereotypes of the other black kid.

Slasher attack is dragging out. They seem happy with just shaking the truck.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:49:47 PM
"Don't assume anything about slashers!" *ratatatatatatata*
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 03:59:14 PM
Oh! And the leader of the Sixers is black.

I hate to keep drawing attention to the black thing but we've seen six black people. One for about a second, then the next one is a baddie, and one is the first dino casualty, and one is half spanish, and another one gets eaten by a dino and the other is a vague sort of cool-guy comic relief.

All the people who have died so far are black.

Half of the bad guys we've seen so far are black.

There are no blacks in authority at Terra Nova and, apparently, none over 16.

This seems lopsided to me... And I have a long rant somewhere inside of me about how mainstream sci-fi from the last decade has been a white's only club -- BSG being the most glaring example, where the reboot actually removes two major black characters from the 70's and replaces them with an old white man and a hot Korean-American.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 04:06:42 PM
Both black kids were severely wounded. The half-spanish girl is now a half chewed mess and the hipster black kid got his chest slashed open. Looks grim for them.

Breaking from the last 90 minutes, one of the white kids did get his foot chewed on. He seems fine, though.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
In the Big Reveal, the Sixers are discussing the geometric rock art and we learn that it's Commander Hardbottom's missing son, who's gone insane and lives in the jungle trying to find "the answer." The answer to what, a Sixer asks helpfully, and Sixer Boss reveals that there's a plot -- what Terra Nova's really about. "Control the past and you control the future..."

Well...yeah. That's sort of a given when you colonize the past with a well armed force of freaks. Even the kids understood that, thus the whole paradox/parallel world exposition scene.

I guess there's something Even More Sinister(tm) going on.

Overall review: Laughably bad. I loved it! It's miles better than Falling Skies, and seems strangely aware of the fact that it's bad. Somehow, this awareness manages to be cute. I'm going to keep watching... If only to watch minorities get cut to ribbons by slashers each week.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
PS: I'm praising this because I've now moved on to the Syfy Original Movie "Morlocks" where David Hewlett and Robert Picardo play guys who...open...a...Stargate...to the future and...HG Well's Morlocks come through and attack Earth.

I downloaded it because (a) It's Rodney and Woolsey! and (b) They both did a podcast about it where they couldn't stop laughing about how terrible it was. Which, weirdly, SyFy proudly aired the Friday before.

So, you know, Terra Nova looks like Shakespeare in comparison.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 27, 2011, 07:40:39 PM
Man. I can't wait to watch this. Save it for me!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 29, 2011, 03:03:42 PM
I'll send it to you.

You can wait to watch it. Trust me.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 30, 2011, 05:17:46 PM
Well, that didn't last long. Vulture reports on rumors that Fox is unhappy with the pilot's performance and won't pick it up beyond the 13 episodes.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 30, 2011, 07:02:25 PM
Wanna see my shocked face?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 30, 2011, 08:28:28 PM
Yes!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 05, 2011, 10:44:37 AM
Did you watch episode 1.2? I'm getting caught up this weekend.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 05, 2011, 11:30:41 AM
Did you watch episode 1.2? I'm getting caught up this weekend.

Haha! I'm having a really hard time bringing myself to watch it! I'll try right now...
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 05, 2011, 01:35:09 PM
Okay, okay... Next episode!

We open up with two red shirts getting a flat tire. Which isn't so surprising when you're driving around the primeval jungle floor at 40 mph. The redshirts also seem unsurprised. They call it in and everyone is like, har-har. Suckers.

No real mention about how they're, you know, driving around in the dark all alone. Maybe they were on a secret mission...to die!

And die they will, because there are tree-o-saurs scuttling around...

The redshirts are, oddly, surprised at this. You'd think a few years in a dinosaur infested jungle might... Oh, well. Whatever. Dead! Roll titles.



Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 05, 2011, 02:22:01 PM
"When night falls, and you have no weapons, fire is the only thing these creatures understand."

Nevermind that some of them are as big as an office building!

Then we get the moss on a tree = north myth reinforced.

It's survival training for kids! Let's build up some characters.

Life at Terra Nova: A paradise! Child actors! Comedy! Dangerous carnivorous plants and the little girls who love them!

Investigating the scene of the redshirt deaths reveals that they were attacked by something unknown... Sneakysaurus!

*Commercial break*

Sadly, the story does not then return to a sympathetic tale of Sneakysaurus. We go back to Terra Nova instead and discuss shishkabobs.

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 05, 2011, 02:31:40 PM
Okay, so, is no one keeping track of the wildlife? Not only is most the wildlife man-eating and highly territorial, they're also expert hunters, super fast, and bigger than tanks.

Sneakysaurus is some new predator! A mystery! I would think, like, 90% of your scouting force and all of your scientists would be devoted to keeping track of the movement of every single really scary dangerous monster around.

The fucking Marshall's in Land of the Lost had more situational awareness!

Of course, the joke is that Sneakysaurus is actually the loud birds that our hero has been screaming at every night. So, as you do when you're at the bottom of the food chain, his son throws a rock at them and incites an attack with special effects roughly on par with the bat effects from the original Dracula.

"So...how do we deal with these things?"

Oh, I don't know. Use your extensive and highly effective sonic weapons? Maybe your fucking tower guards can actually do something besides stare into the sun? Maybe you can send out scouts who aren't surprised when they find dinosaurs.

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 05, 2011, 02:53:45 PM
Okay, now we're in a shot-by-shot remake of The Birds.

So as the birds attack the market plaza, the guards do not immediately use their wide-area sonic guns. In fact, there are no guards in the towers. Though, after the attack, they say that the birds didn't quit even after they fired the sonics.

The scientist has a big reveal: We haven't seen the sneakysauruses here before because they haven't been here before!

DA-DA-DUM!

Migratory lizard birds.

"Why are they migrating?"

What?

Of course, the question leads to an environmental awareness problem. We've ruined their breeding ground!

So they go out and capture some and develop a magical solution in 30 seconds.

We don't actually see them use any of the sonics in this episode, even though they're basically needed in every other scene. Guess the effects cost too much.

In fact, this is really a bizarre sort of semi-bottle episode. Plenty of outdoor stuff, but the only effects are the swarming CGI sneakysaurs. Any real action is off camera with lots of talky stuff in the house, the main office, or sick bay.

Thank god for pheromone tank!

And...epilogue!

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 06, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
Watched the two hour premiere and 1.2 of Dinosaur of the Week, I mean Terra Nova and...

I kind of like it.

I mean, it's no Firefly. But it's not The Sarah Connor Chronicles either. Are there plot conveniences galore? Sure, but I'll forgive that, especially in the two hour pilot which is so obviously all just set up for something Even More Sinister(tm).

My beef is that it's so obviously trying to hit every demographic possible, probably because they spent the GNP of Liberia on it. That and the fact that our main dude is part of the security team, but dresses like he's a still a Chicago homicide cop. I mean shit, I'd be wanting all the dinosaur proof body armor they have to offer.

The thing between the teenaged daughter (who by the the way is a super genius) and the utterly characterless space marine is annoying. Even Skye the super Redneck Orphan and the son is kind of cloying. Though she's super easy on the eyes so I'm cool. Mom's British ex-boyfriend is convenient as a romantic foil but hey, it makes sense. He's the reason they're in paradise so in episode 1.8 when he turns out to be Totally Evil(R), he can guilt our main guy or mom into helping him.

Shit as long as dinosaurs show up after every third commercial break, who cares about the story?

I'm going to keep watching, at least until the were-panthers show up to kidnap Jason Stackhouse.

Fox ordered up thirteen episodes, right? That should be enough to try and get people hooked on what Colonel Kurtz is up to out in the jungle.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 06, 2011, 07:35:07 AM
I love how your reviews start with "I liked it" and then go on to describe the worst of the worst.

If you want Dinosaur of the Week with good storylines and girls who are easy on the eyes, get into Primeval. It's Shakespeare compared to this show. And made by the Walking with Dinosaurs guy, so the effects are actually much more impressive and convincing.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 10, 2011, 11:27:01 PM
1.3 - Outbreak!

The short and skinny is that it's better than 1.2. I think I've accepted that due to its utter ridiculousness, Terra Nova is never going to be serious sci-fi. With that caveat, it's pretty easy to just go with it.

This episode deals with some virus at "Outpost 3" that destroys short term memory. Commander Salamander, Mom, and Red Shirt #544 go to check things out and catch it. So it's up to our hero and Malcolm the ex-boyfriend to go deal with it. Taylor (Commander Salamander) goes John Rambo and thinks he's back in the Somalian war of 2137. It's nice to know we have the same political problems a hundred and twenty years in the future.

Meanwhile, in the most unrealistic scene of the episode (which is saying something) Josh the son totally stops making out with Skye the hot sci-fi redneck because he misses his ex from the future. Hey John Connor, stop being such a pussy. Then Skye tells him that she knows a guy who might be able to get the ex lotteried, which is funny because they STILL HAVEN'T TOLD US HOW THEY'RE FUCKING COMMUNICATING WITH THE FUTURE.

Okay, to be fair they offhandedly mention that they communicate while the portal is open, but didn't they say in the pilot that the trip is one way? Except for sound waves, I guess? Or maybe carrier pigeon.

So, Skye's guy says there are other ways to communicate with the future AND he's dealing under the table to the Reavers, er, Sixers who apparently have the unicorn powered telephone to the future.

Anyway, the science in this episode is WAY out there, but just go with it and it's pretty fun filler. (Two filler episodes in a row means they're still trying to suck people in.)

The preview for 1.4 looks promising though; Full on Sixer action along with some mystery kid.

1.3 DINOSAUR OF THE WEEK: They said the name a bunch of times, but I never caught it. It's Nickelsaurus, a  mini-velociraptor (or oversized compy) that eats power cables like a farm mouse.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 11, 2011, 07:47:47 AM
Yeah, I love that they seem to be regularly in contact with the future...

But not only is it unexplained, and somewhat pointless, and actually contradictory to the description of the mechanics of time travel...they're also completely opposed to their society's laws. Hey, future, you know that fugitive who pretty much broke every single law in the books? He's the sheriff of Terra Nova now!

PS: I haven't yet watched this episode of Stargate Terra Nova.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 11, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
Sorry. I'm not sure how spoilerific I got with my post though. If I keep watching it at it's regular spot like I intend to, I'll likely see it before you get it. Will try not to give away when Kyle Reese comes back from the future to tell Zoe that he's really her father.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 11, 2011, 10:40:29 AM
I don't think it's possible to spoil an episode of Terra Nova.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 11, 2011, 11:07:36 AM
As dumb as the show is, I do like it. If they'd kill off the son and actually give the super genius daughter something to do besides "OMG boys!" I'd be fairly satisfied.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 11, 2011, 11:08:22 AM
They need to kill off half the cast.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 11, 2011, 02:03:02 PM
I'm currently working on a front page article entitled "Five Ways to Fix Terra Nova... Even Though It's Pretty Much Doomed No Matter What."
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 11, 2011, 02:20:19 PM
Oh! Good... Because I'm behind on my vignettes project thanks to whiling away five days in NOLA.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 12, 2011, 08:58:43 AM
Front page invasion!!

http://www.greatsociety.org/?p=2215
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 12, 2011, 10:30:25 AM
I still haven't watched the memory eraser episode. Will try today... But, really, I don't even know if I'll finish the 13.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 12, 2011, 10:41:59 AM
I'm in awe of how they took a pretty simple idea and made it way more complicated than they needed to.

The lesson here is that if you try to please everyone you'll likely please no one.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 12, 2011, 02:38:48 PM
Okay...Watching 1.4. Glad we open with a dino kill. Followed by expositionosaur!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 12, 2011, 03:22:50 PM
Wait. 1.4? Or are you calling the memory loss episode 1.4?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 12, 2011, 03:24:03 PM
The most recent episode is 1.4.

Pilot -- 1.1, 1.2.

Get off my fence! = 1.3

Stargate rip off memory loss = 1.4

edit: Although IMDb doesn't agree. But Wikipedia and the Terra Nova Wiki does agree. And the production numbers agree.

So...I don't know.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 13, 2011, 05:56:07 AM
RC's article is getting mega hits because he emailed it to Fox. Now we all have to behave ourselves, right?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 13, 2011, 11:31:14 AM
I'll never work in that town again!!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 13, 2011, 12:33:12 PM
Funny how me and this guy have fairly different ideas about what's wrong with Terra Nova... Yet we both agree that the current formula isn't quite working.

http://www.inlander.com/spokane/blog-4109-lets-fix-terra-nova.html (http://www.inlander.com/spokane/blog-4109-lets-fix-terra-nova.html)

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Let's Fix: Terra Nova

For all the hype for Future-Men-in-Dinosaur-Times drama Terra Nova this week (see the TV preview in this week’s paper), the show itself premiered to less-than-impressive ratings and a lot of mockery from critics. Yet, this type of show — the next “next Lost” — has pretty much always suffered from many of the same problems. Yes, there was hype (and considerable flaws) for Flashforward, for Falling Skies, for The Event. Yet, I want Terra Nova to succeed, to become an awesome show. The 6-year-old-who-loves-dinosaurs that resides in all of us demands it.

1. Bring on the vibrant characters. I’ve made this point before. Let’s call it the Joss Whedon Principle: The more sci-fi or fantasy concepts play into a show, the more  interesting the characters need to be to compensate. Most writers seem to think it’s the opposite — that the star battles, dragons, or dinosaurs will distract an audience from the bland characters.

Maybe that works in movies. But here, on TV, it’s the opposite. All the special effects can drown out subtlety. So go big. Bring on your best character-actors. Give everyone interesting quirks. Take the most fascinating, odd people you know, and place their personalities in the dead-boring roles you’ve designed for them. Personality — beyond just the choices the character makes — is what we tune into TV for. Even one great character helps. That's why a show like House has lasted so long. That's what makes Fringe.

With the exception of Gruff General, nearly every single lead actor in Terra Nova seems like they’re trying to be the lead from Avatar. And nobody, absolutely nobody, was talking about how great the lead was. Because of budget and because of the challenge of continuing to write many, many hours for one set of characters, all TV needs to be character-based.

2. Go back to the future

Alyssa Rosenberg, TV critic for Think Progress, found the dystopic future at the beginning of the pilot — rife with overpopulation and fascism — far more interesting than the same-old-but-with-dinosaurs world of the Terra Nova colony. I’m a little more skeptical, but there’s a key point here: The contrast — and the interplay — between the two worlds is a notion with far more potential than “what if people had to fight dinosaurs?” Currently, however, the travel is only one way. But what if it wasn’t? What if you had a world crammed with despair and desperation going back and forth between a dangerous world of hope and plenty? That would raise interesting questions.

3. Find better excuses for chaos. Many of the complaints about Terra Nova have been directed at the whiny kid — the one who hates his dad and puts the whole camp in danger through stupid mischief. This was also an issue with Falling Skies — stupidity and impulsiveness never make compelling drivers of plot. You know why fellow dinosaur disaster Jurassic Park worked? Because while Nedry was stupid, he wasn’t driven by impulse. He was driven by greed. So let chaos befall the camp. Let it be because of necessity, because of betrayal, because of political differences, because of rational action. Use Battlestar Galactica as your guide. For all its flaws, its plot drivers felt real, felt powerful, and felt provocative.

4. Flesh out the family dynamic. Family dynamics have a bad rap. And seeing how they were frustrating to watch on shows like The Unit and No Ordinary Family, their skepticism is understandable. But the best shows — like Breaking Bad and Friday Night Lights — have used the family to drive conflict, establish stakes, and develop its characters. Yet despite Terra Nova's focus on family (as detailed by the A.V. Club’s Todd VanDerWerff and Rowan Kaiser), their relationship doesn’t yet feel real. Imagine how much better this show could be with Coach Taylor doing the raptor-killing.

5. Imply dinosaurs more often than showing them. It’s a matter of budget. It’s expensive to buy and train a realistic-looking Apatosaurus. But more than that, it’s a matter of suspense. Jaws was great because you didn’t always see the shark. Signs worked until you saw the full alien. The unknown might not be showy, but it’s always more suspenseful. It’s what Hitchcock taught us long ago. The Hays Code became his greatest asset.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 17, 2011, 10:08:47 PM
1.4 - "Newt. Nobody calls me Rebecca except my brother."

So, I don't want to give to much away on this one as I'd like Nacho to check this episode out before totally abandoning ship. It's my favorite episode so far and surprisingly enough there's basically no dinosaurs.

This little girl shows up who's almost a direct rip-off of Newt from Aliens. Apparently she ran away from the Sixers, though she seems pretty scared of Terra Nova too. Taylor (who she calls "the bad man") wants to debrief her while the Shannons are trying to de-feralize her. Meanwhile, members of Taylor's security gets ambushed by Sixers looking for her lost bag. Turns out they want this little girl back. There's a big standoff where Taylor tells Mira (Leader of the Sixers) that they'll let the girl choose where she wants to live. It gets pretty interesting after that. Lots of new mysteries unfolding in a way that engaged me.

Give it one more shot, Nacho.

DINOSAUR OF THE WEEK: A Velociraptor sized thing with no claws. You know, it kind of sucks that all the dinosaurs sort of look the same.
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Post by: nacho on October 18, 2011, 08:18:25 AM
I'll watch it today.

I see everyone has corrected the episode numbering. The pilot is now 1a and 1b. Which spoils my dream that this show will be over soon.

On the same dinosaur note, and the fact that they're largely off camera, what shocks me is that they want to set a series with dinosaurs but then can't afford to do it right. That's a little short-sighted. Did they not know dinosaur CGI would cost so much until the last minute? Did a dinosaur CGI platform blow up in the Gulf shortly before post-production?
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Post by: nacho on October 18, 2011, 10:57:10 AM
Okay! Here we go!

I'm to ignore the dialogue, right? Because this show is 100% improv, right?
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 18, 2011, 11:40:06 AM
Actually, just let the whole first ten minutes slide. The writers just want to remind us how many times they've seen Aliens.
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Post by: nacho on October 18, 2011, 01:44:18 PM
Haha! Oh, god. You're not kidding about Newt.

Yay! Sonic gun action!

Every conversation with the little girl makes me think of the I Like Turtles kid.

Final analysis: Oh my god, RC... Really? With shows like Homeland and Breaking Bad and soft-rebooted Walking Dead and Person of Interest circling around, this show gets attention?

I really, really, really hate the whole thing where a direct question is avoided even if it makes sense to answer it. Like why wouldn't Mira tell Shannon what the deal was? If Taylor and Terra Nova is so evil -- and if she's actually working for the right cause -- why not just tell Shannon? Why playfully say, "You'll find out! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!"


That said, I'll keep watching this first 13. Mainly because I have to know what's up with the Sixers.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 18, 2011, 02:40:16 PM

Final analysis: Oh my god, RC... Really? With shows like Homeland and Breaking Bad and soft-rebooted Walking Dead and Person of Interest circling around, this show gets attention?


But... But... dinosaurs. ROWR!

All the shows you mention don't come in on my 1953 rabbit ears. (Okay, they're digital.) I get FOX and NBC. That's it. I suppose I could download these other shows, but I try to get involved in as little TV as possible. Plus, The Walking Dead was sort of shitty after that first episode.

As mentioned (ad nauseum, I think), my main fascination with Terra Nova was born of the horrifying stories that came out of the woodwork while it was being shot. I also feel like I should support it in the name of all sci-fi TV lest studios be afraid to take a chance on bold (and expensive) sci-fi in the future. Call it an investment.

That said, I felt like they tried to start digging themselves out of the hole they put themselves in with this episode. 1.4 was the first one where it felt like they weren't going, "Hey everybody! Over here! Look, dinosaurs!!" They actually told a competent story and piqued my interest.

The fascination with the dying future still worries me but I've read other blogs where most fans of the show seem to dig on that stuff, so what do I know?

Also, I kept waiting for Wez and Admiral Humongous to show up when the Sixers approached the gates of Terra Nova to get the little girl back.

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on October 18, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
Give the Walking Dead reboot a try. It's helped that they fired every single person involved with the show. It's worth watching just to see the shift in focus/tone/quality. Like a science experiment!

And Terra Nova is just so terrible. Even if there is a glimmer of an attempt to dig out of the hole. There's no way it'll survive this season. I don't agree with supporting sci-fi TV if it's terrible sci-fi TV. Is that what we want? Better than nothing? That's the battle cry?

There'll always be sci-fi on TV. We may have a dry spell, like we did in the 80's, but the pendulum will always swing back.  He'll, we've got that earnest plea for a second chance from Walking Dead, and the ongoing Doctor Who freakout, and Blood & Chrome promising to deliver what we wanted from the BSG franchise all along, and the undying Primeval/Primeval remake (which is the best dinosaur-of-the-week series ever). Sci-fi is alive and well right now.

Oh, and, it'll never be on the networks. That's the problem here. Why support shows from Fox and NBC and all that? That's no longer the format for this sort of thing.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 18, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
I guess I've been so long immersed in the horror world where "Better than nothing" IS the battle cry that I think it applies to everything else. What I should be supporting is "American Horror Story" since that's where I butter my bread.

I can't really argue any of your point. Terra Nova really is for the most part terrible. How I've become an apologist for it is sort of funny. Missus RC likes it and it's certainly not a terrible way to blow an hour on Monday nights, so I guess I want it to be at least worth the time we spend on it.

On the Networks... While I agree that the good stuff is being done for cable, the money for those projects trickles down from the advertising dollars of the big four networks. That's why half the shit on TV is reality shows. The LCD can't get enough of fat people trying to get thin, poor people trying to get rich, and untalented people trying to get famous. I think there's a danger in Terra Nova flopping in that the next time an ambitious, long form sci-fi project comes across the executive table, they'll go, "Enh, let's pass this over the to the films division and make a two hour movie out of it. Remember Terra Nova?"

I don't know. Maybe I'll just start watching Primeval.
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Post by: nacho on October 18, 2011, 03:46:42 PM
"Remember Terra Nova" might be what the say after every other failed sci-fi. Hell -- remember Falling Skies?

So here we go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeval

Season one is more just overly impressed with itself. Season two is paradox land. Season three is a mass kill season. Season four is one year after the seemingly series-ending events of season three. Season five is darkly apocalyptic.

New World starts up next year. It's a sidequel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeval:_New_World

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2011, 08:45:43 AM
Oh my god...this stupid show.

Where to begin with the latest episode? I guess the hunt for the dinosaur leaps to mind. The tactic: Drive it out of the open into a dense forest so they can shoot it. So... you want to get the deadly shark monster to a dense forest where you have to hunt it on foot instead of from cars?

Oh, and, suddenly you don't have the wide area effect sonic guns for the hunt?

God...and everything else about this episode was horrible. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to understand the economy of Terra Nova. Winning the lottery can result in greed, murder, and horror... The market square and bar has desperately corrupt people trying to make a living.  Yes...food, supplies, education, and housing are all provided by the government. So what's the basis for the economy? The only thing you can spend your money on is second hand items from wounded vets and booze.

Oh! And the guy confesses to the murder, so that leads to debates about putting him on trial to prove his guilt (HE CONFESSED!!!) and how awful frontier justice is and blah blah blah... Oh my god.  

But I do agree that they should put people in jail instead of banishing them. Banished people get supplies and guns... So what's the logic there? Hey! Let's go ahead and just send troops and weapons to the Sixers.

Let's also talk about how the most threatening predators (and human enemies) are all small enough to slip between the poorly guarded slats of Terra Nova's stockade.  Or, you know, walk through the always open front gate.

Oh, and the little girl gets a pet dinosaur.

I really need to stop watching this shit.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2011, 10:01:29 AM
I take it it's not "so bad, it's good?"

It's too long to post the whole thing, but give this a read. It's the writer's laying out what's up with the rest of the season.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/21/terra-nova-interview/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/21/terra-nova-interview/)
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
No, RC! NO! It's not "so bad it's good." Stop it, RC! You need help!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2011, 11:28:50 AM
But... But.... rowr...
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Post by: nacho on November 01, 2011, 11:48:02 AM
Put down the plastic dinosaur!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2011, 04:03:34 PM
Vulture signs out! Some of their reasons are a little bitter (and I don't blame them) and lame, but some I agree with. I had the same feeling during the frontier justice debate (as indicated in my earlier post).

And -- finally -- some mention of the Racism of Terra Nova, which I've found glaring and horrible from the pilot onwards.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/11/our_final_terra_nova_recap_25.html

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Sometime around the time Jim and Elisabeth had their ham-handed discussion about frontier justice last night, we knew this would be our last Terra Nova. Sure, the premise had promise, but even masochists like us can only take so much. And so, with a great sense of relief, these are the 25 reasons we’re gleefully quitting Terra Nova.

1. So little happens on Terra Nova, six episodes in, it doesn’t even need a “Previously on … ” preamble.

2. There’s no unifying aesthetic. Nova should have been a set designer’s dream — a future world, an endless budget, a chance to blend the sleek lines of the future with prehistoric chic. Instead we got a mess of Starship Troopers, the Flintstones, and Ikea. Has a show this expensive ever looked so cheap?

3. We still haven’t found out what to call this place they’re all settling. The titular Terra Nova is just the colony, remember. Everything outside of it is something else. But what’s it named? Earth? Could the settlers really not get more specific? Colonization is as human as destroying the planet. The opening credits suggest it might be best to call it Pangaea, since a little Earth animation still suggests all the globe is one continent. Which would work fine if Wikipedia didn’t suggest that Pangaea didn’t exist 85 million years ago. It’s as apocryphal as a prehistoric turkey.

4. “With a heavy heart I carry out this judgment of banishment.”

5. Everyone’s name is unoriginal. Jim, Elisabeth, Zoe, Josh, Maddy. We’ve said it before but it bears repeating: 100-plus years in the future, everybody has inexplicably chosen to name their kids exactly what they would’ve named them in 2011.

6. The show’s music has two modes: swell and panic. One has violins, the other has drums. Neither is even close to John Williams caliber.

7. Its characterization of teenage daughters — even brilliant ones — is retrograde when it’s not inconsistent. Maddy, even though she is by far the most well adjusted to living in a prehistoric jungle, is still supposedly taking way too many hot showers. What is this, Man Up?

8. “Ours is a colony of laws. Violations such as murder are a crime against every one of us.”

9. The show wants to be gory without being gory. Big balls of pus? Yes. Dinosaur maulings that happen onscreen? No.

10. The members of a rebel faction dress like savages, and many of them are black. What a coincidence.

11. And their leader — who lives in a tree — somehow has the time and desire to put on a ton of eye shadow.

12. “I’m going to go bury our soldier. Then I’m going to make a decision. I don’t recall ever having to have made a tougher one.”

13. The gate to Terra Nova is essentially a garage door. If I were building a barrier to carnivorous dinosaurs, I’d do it with more than just logs, rubber bands, and a remote. Also, I’d make it a little taller.

14. There is no sci-fi subtext. At first it seemed like this would be an environmental parable. Then a utopian one. And just last night a law-and-order one. And yet it’s none of the above. The whole point of sci-fi is to highlight the fallibility of our present-day society. Terra Nova, outside of its pilot’s first twenty minutes, has done none of that. It’s too scared to make a statement and too pretentious to just become a procedural. I’d call it an identity crisis, but it didn’t have an identity to begin with.

15. Its shoehorned subplots are basically non sequiturs. Last night, while Jim chased down a murderer, Zoe coddled a dinosaur egg. One thing is not like the other. Were we supposed to see some type of circle-of-life thing at play? Because all I saw was a bad animatronic toy stuck inside of a plastic egg.

16. Even the actors look bored with the show. While Taylor is beating that conspicuous soldier in the jungle, Jim is wearing the same look as the rest of us have while watching the show.

17. “We’ve lost our share of folks. But never like this. Not to murder.”

18. The stakes are all off. After watching last night’s Terra Nova, some friends I was with put on Battlestar Galactica, a sci-fi show that actually treats its audience like it’s older than 12. In Battlestar, the characters getting threatened and killed are the ones we care about. In Terra Nova, the characters getting threatened and killed are the ones we’ve never seen before. There’s never any reason to worry about a strung-up Jim if the show’s only killing off redshirts.

19. Lava lamps as a background in the bar? What is this, Power Rangers? I half-expected Zordon to show up in one of them.

20. The quality of the dinosaurs — billed as the primary reason to watch the show — has gone downhill fast. What started as Jurassic Park–lite has become a pale imitation of the Discovery Channel. That nykosaur — or whatever it was called, or however it was spelled — chase scene last night looked like a green screen on top of a green screen.

21.“What we’re building here, there’s no place for a crime like this. Just as we have come back to remake this world, we have to let this world remake us.”

22. Terra Nova’s stilted dialogue even desecrates a graveyard. Taylor, for some reason, felt moved to explain what one was last night. “Simple headstones buried in the earth.” The more you know.

23. The love triangle remains as unbelievable as it was when it was first introduced. If the writers want us to believe in the Malcolm-Jim-Elisabeth nonsense, they should stop making it seem like Jim and Elisabeth actually like each other. Affairs are far more believable when there’s trouble at home.

24. So much eyebrow acting!

25. And, finally, our last groaner of the week: “Help me out here. How do you kill a man with a dinosaur?” Well, I’ll tell you how you kill a show with a dinosaur — you stop writing about it. Good-bye, all. See you in 2149.

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2011, 11:06:56 PM
1.5 - This week on CSI: Pangaea...

Oof. Yeah, that was pretty rough. Since Nacho already gave the real review, I'll just make a few extra points.

Point #1:
So the target audience for this show is eight-year-olds, right?

Point #2:
Why can't I dispute any of the 25 points Vulture made for quitting the show?

Point #3: So Johnny Red Herring wins the lottery, marries the black widow, puts up with her fucking around even though it's a banish-able crime, then takes the banishment for her when she didn't even kill the guy he confesses to killing. Is that how it went? That whole retracted confession lost me quick.

Point #4: If Bishop is an android then how do the other space marines... Oh, wait. Wrong movie.

Point #5: Instead of wasting valuable time operating on a pre-natal deformed dinosaur, shouldn't Dr. Mom teach her kid some lessons about death and the circle of life? Especially when as Jim Shannon says, "There's a lot of way to die in this jungle."

Point #6: Tell me if I have this right: Commander Taylor decides who's banished and who isn't along with his Gestapo. Is he a dictator? They're a capitalist based dictatorship? #OccupyTerraNova

Point #7: Was the plot of this episode picked out of a choose your own adventure book?

Point #8: When are we going to see the Sixers' unicorn powered telephone to the future?

Point #9: Why are all my points questions rather than actual points?

Point #10: Why do I think every week the next episode of this show is going to be the one that blows my mind with it's awesomeness when every sign points to that never happening?

DINOSAUR OF THE WEEK: Nykoraptors, which are fat velociraptors with feathers. And the newborn ankylosaur which by the way will grow up to be the size of a Volkswagen. Scoop that poop, Zoe.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2011, 11:40:53 PM
Don't say "ankylosaur," say "prehistoric turkey." Just like a dinosaur expert from the future would!

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Post by: nacho on November 08, 2011, 05:25:03 PM
Okay, so I'm watching the meteor episode because RC is forcing me to "record" (cough) episodes for him and I'm bored at work.

This episode is actually the best of the season, I think. Mainly because they advance the plot and there's some real action.

There are still, like, a million stupid things -- from taking a day and a half to walk three miles, to no surgical masks, to only posting a guard at the entrance and nowhere else on the perimeter... Okay! Okay...don't think about it. Concentrate on the tiny motions in the story...
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 13, 2011, 08:11:06 PM
1.6 - Armageddon (As in the Michael Bay movie.)

This is hands down the best episode by far though the first ten minutes did make me want to rip my eyes out. I realize now it was all set up, but the big, happy family dynamic seems a little ridiculous. Maybe it's just me though.

Anyway, everybody is out being happy crappy when a meteor explodes in the atmosphere above Terra Nova causing an EMP which wipes out power and suddenly the stakes go through the roof.

Jim Shannon and Zoe are trapped in some dumb "eye" device which I have a feeling will be used in future episodes. Some dude has a thirty foot long parasite in his intestines and with nothing to power their fancy future medical devices, Dr. Mom has to go in the old fashioned way. Maddie and Mark the Jarhead are out on a date and get stuck spending the night amongst the dinosaurs. Josh the annoying asshole son was thankfully used very little which is good because apparently the next episode is all him and Maddie.

Nacho, did you catch the mention of how "The Russo-Chinese used an EMP on us back in '37?" I like how a Fox show is xenophobic as hell even in the perfect future. I also think the future history of 2149 might be more interesting than Terra Nova itself. I want to know about why they were fighting in Somalia.

Anyway, the Sixers finally get the weird do-hickie thing from a few episodes back and we finally meet Taylor's son who opens it to reveal, uh, holographic somethings that I guess are supposed to match the glyph carvings on the waterfall from the pilot. Anyway, I wasn't paying attention because I was too busy thinking how kewl the raptor claw scars on the back of his neck were.

DINOSAUR OF THE WEEK: Empirosaur, a big spinosaur. The Sixers use torches to lead it to Terra Nova to distract Taylor and the troops while they sneak in the side door to steal the whatever for Taylor's son.

(If you're wondering where I keep getting the dinosaur names, wonder no more. I go to the The Terra Nova Wiki (http://terranova.wikia.com/wiki/Terra_Nova_Wiki) because I'm totally gay!)
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 13, 2011, 08:20:04 PM
Hardly a perfect future, eh? I just like the idea of a Russian Chinese superpower in a dying apocalyptic world. If environmental apocalypse is the cause, then they'd be the first to go.

And we were probably fighting in Somalia for the same reason we've been fighting in Somalia since the Scramble for Africa.

As to the holographic somethings -- my take was that we were looking at bacteria or viruses or something.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 13, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
See, I think they're plans for another portal.  Or a map/instruction to a different wormhole to a different time.

Terra Nova: Medieval.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 13, 2011, 08:37:50 PM
I bet you a Coke it's some contrived apocalypse bullshit that'll end in a lame cliffhanger on episode 13. Destroy the past to destroy/cure/fix the future.  We'll discover that Terra Nova is responsible for the dark future in some way... Thus all the heavy-handed hints that the Sixers have been sent back specifically to work for crazypants as his private army. Taylor knows this because, as we'll learn, his son was also trapped with him for that 160 days or however long it was.

In the last couple of episodes we'll have a flashback to this, and Taylor choosing to maintain Terra Nova despite the truth.

The loyalty of our brave heroes will be called into question as they learn that they can save the future -- for idiot son, this will be a major sales point because of the future girlfriend. So he'll join the Sixers to save the future and thereby save her.

But we'll have a long talky sequence about how you can't fix the future because that'll be a paradox and Taylor knew that so that's why he's keeping secrets and crazypants will lose it and the Sixers will betray him, no doubt with idiot son in the lead.

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 13, 2011, 08:47:22 PM
Wow. That's really well thought out. And you know, you're probably right.

Here's the promo for tomorrow's episode! I'm your pusher!

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 13, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
It's not thought out. I've watched it a million times is all. And I'm seeing them set it up now. It's got the subtlety of a 60's Doctor Who script delivered the day before filming and re-written by the script editor on the set because the author's a drunk.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 13, 2011, 09:24:34 PM
I just went digging for spoilers for the first time. Not much out there except for the official details of the next three episodes from Fox.
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Post by: nacho on November 13, 2011, 09:31:51 PM
Not enough viewers for spoilers!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 13, 2011, 09:45:01 PM
All roads lead back to Trek...

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I've only been watching "Terra Nova" intermittently since the pilot, and haven't felt the need to weigh in because Ryan McGee's been doing such a good job with his reviews on our Monkeys as Critics blog. His strongest point, in case you haven't been reading those, is that in addition to making the Shannon family terminally dull, the producers picked the absolute least interesting point in the life of the colony to set the show. A protected, secure, thriving colony that already has its laws and bureaucracies in place is vastly less compelling than, say, Taylor setting things up at the start, or even down the line if/when there's a war with the Sixers. With things relatively stable - and with dinosaur CGI too expensive to feature them prominently every week (even though that's what the show is about, or should be) - the show has had to consistently dust off ideas that Brannon Braga and company already did five or six times on the "Star Trek" spin-offs. (A cave that erases people's memories is a hop, skip and a jump away from another episode where the holodeck malfunctions.) This week's blackout episode, for instance, felt darned similar to a "Next Generation" episode called "Disaster" - which that show did in its fifth season, because that's the kind of inventory story you tell later in the run when you're running low on new ideas. "Terra Nova" has no ideas to begin with. It has a setting that it can't really afford to properly exploit, and it has characters no one cares about (other than maybe Taylor and Skye), and its stories seem generated by some kind of A.I. program that's watched the last 25 years of TV science fiction and cribbed the most obvious bits. There's no there there. I agree with Ryan that "Nightfall" was probably the best episode since the pilot, but if this is the best the show can do, I'm fine moving on.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on November 14, 2011, 10:33:22 PM
1.7 - Dr. Mom's a Fuck Up

This episode actually has little to do with Dr. Mom from a plot standpoint, but it illustrates how poorly she's been written. She's dense. She also makes stupid decisions that a doctor would never make such as, I don't know, letting her daughter adopt a pet Volkswagen. (BTW, I read that Zoe's Ankylosaur growing too big for her to keep as a pet is a sub-plot of a future episode. No shit.)

Okay, so Shannon and Taylor are out fishing (!) when they find a recently abandoned campsite. Taylor is sure it's Currant, the guy banished for murder in 1.5. I don't know if making the shittiest episode to date relevant is stupid or smart on the producers' part, but whatever. Anyway, Shannon goes back to Terra Nova and Taylor goes to find Currant.

This episode is a mixed bag. They do a lot to move the story forward, yet there's also quite a few eye-rolling moments.

Remember the "eye" chamber/device from last episode? It's back already. Maddie uses it to find out the future history (?) of her idol scientist who apparently isn't who he says he is. The sub plot actually started out kind of smart and then got stupid and hard to believe fast.

Meanwhile, the Sixers need medicine and call in their favor from annoying asshole son Josh. They want him to steal his Mom's ID to get meds. Josh demands proof that Mira will get his girlfriend through on the next pilgrimage. The spy bar owner takes Josh to the Sixers' Ewok Village where we finally see...

MIRA'S UNICORN POWERED TELEPHONE TO THE FUTURE!  Okay, it's no Triffid gun, but it does look like a kid's toy. It's this little handheld mini-Stargate that creates a hologram of Josh's girl that Josh talks to for a minute which only reinforces how stupid he is for giving the cold shoulder to sexy Skye the redneck. Satisfied, Josh steals the meds only to confess to stealing them by the episodes end... which begs the question of what happens to criminals who don't commit felonies. You don't get exiled for shoplifting do you? If not, what happens?

Anyway, there's lots of new important info sprinkled in. Taylor enlists Currant the exile into seeking asylum with the Sixers so he can act as Taylor's spy and figure out who Mira's mole in Terra Nova is. Taylor promises him a "possible" return to Terra Nova.

We also find out that Taylor's son's name is Lucas and that he was enlisted to go to Terra Nova to figure out a way to communicate with 2149 from the past. Things are certainly starting to coalesce.

Preview for next week promises to kickstart Jim Shannon's suspicion that Taylor might not be telling the whole truth about why Terra Nova exists.

DINOSAUR OF THE WEEK: Some sort of proto-Komodo Dragon with a big fan on it's neck that Taylor defends Currant from. There's also some blight eating bees, a spider, a giant swordfish, and a pretty cool opening shot with pterodactyls.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 14, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
Ugh... I'll watch at work tomorrow. I still hate you.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 14, 2011, 10:47:14 PM
It's not as bad as the murder-mystery dinner theatre episode.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 14, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
And at least they haven't spent four episodes searching for a little girl.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:03:34 PM
Oh...my...fucking...god. How are you sitting through this show, RC?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2011, 03:05:55 PM
Beer.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:08:21 PM
Beer.

Well...fuck. Okay, I'll stop this episode and watch it sometime when I'm drunk. Because, right now, it's agonizing.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2011, 03:10:00 PM
Haha! How far did you make it?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:13:45 PM
Haha! How far did you make it?

Up to: 

Mom, this person is clearly an impostor. Look, he's even written a note saying that he's an impostor and he's on Impostor Daily tonight at 7pm.

SHUT THE FUCK UP MADDIE! I mean, if you can't talk to you mom, who can you talk to? Zoe, run a bath. ZOE! STOP RUNNING THE BATH!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:16:04 PM
I continued watching. I'm glad Mira has a device that can communicate with someone 85 million years in the future on an alternate Earth and that person is just always standing by ready for a message to arrive from known terrorists.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:18:53 PM
"When you're my age, you'll understand..."

What? Is the average lifespan at Terra Nova 52?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:20:54 PM
"No one is gonna know it's your mom's badge." *hands him a badge with his mom's picture on it*
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2011, 03:22:35 PM
Haha! How far did you make it?

Up to:  

Mom, this person is clearly an impostor. Look, he's even written a note saying that he's an impostor and he's on Impostor Daily tonight at 7pm.

SHUT THE FUCK UP MADDIE! I mean, if you can't talk to you mom, who can you talk to? Zoe, run a bath. ZOE! STOP RUNNING THE BATH!

That's the same point that Missus RC went on a rant about about much she wants Dr. Mom to get eaten by Pterodacyls.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:25:22 PM
I still don't understand the economy of Terra Nova. Everyone's desperate for cash, including the higher level scientists who need funding, and yet they're living in a Utopian compound.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:28:51 PM
The kid's right -- if the tech is there for the Sixers to talk to the future, why can't Terra Nova?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:29:46 PM
The impostor subplot is like a fucking episode of Bloodhound Gang on 3-2-1 Contact.

Zoe! We can get his DNA!
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2011, 03:29:54 PM
I still don't understand the economy of Terra Nova. Everyone's desperate for cash, including the higher level scientists who need funding, and yet they're living in a Utopian compound.

I don't understand the economy, the legal system, the social hierarchy, or the infrastructure of Terra Nova.

Also if you get exiled, don't you just immediately go find the Sixers?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:34:10 PM
Haha!  Screaming "Get out of here you coward!" to the gigantic Komodo dragon.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 03:56:13 PM
Maddie: I think Horton's an impostor.

Zoe: I think he's a vampire and I'm scared!

*Zoe cheerfully goes off alone with Horton*
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2011, 03:59:25 PM
Now I feel bad that you're watching it.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
 Oh! The Sixers' tech explained! Taylor's son has resources, technology, and know-how well in advance of 2149! Of course.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 18, 2011, 09:54:46 AM
Promo for Next Week's episode:

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 18, 2011, 10:37:12 AM
Why's it hurt, Uncle Charlie?
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 18, 2011, 11:02:38 AM
Shh. Just relax and push like you're going poopies.  Think of Joe Paterno.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on November 22, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
Ugh. I was doing a live-review as I watched it, and then the page kicked me off. Even GS hates Terra Nova!

So... "Harvest Festival" pageant aside (and, again, I don't understand anything about Terra Novan society), this was actually a halfway decent episode.  Sort of. I guess. I can't tell for sure because this show gave me AIDS.

Oh, and, am I the only one who was waiting for the kids to start chanting "Captain Walker....Captain Walker....Captain Walker..."?

The important thing? The plot actually advances! Shit is actually explained! There's actually some conflict and emotion! Holy shit! I was stunned. I had to keep checking the file name to see if I accidentally downloaded the wrong show.

Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 22, 2011, 10:22:25 PM
Oh, well that's promising.

I've fallen into a groove with it so as long as it doesn't anything majorly offensive like, say, introduce faeries I should be okay.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on December 13, 2011, 05:43:36 PM
Hahaha! They have a Stargate now! The guards even shout "Unscheduled portal activity!"

I like how, when the meteor blew up, they had a magic chip-maker that got them back on their feet within a day. However, when Maddy's harddrive crashes they're all, "Oh, colony-wide shortage! LOL."

Overall, though. A fun episode. Simply because the plot is moving. The portal goes both ways now. The team on Atlantis can contact Earth! No...wait...




Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on January 10, 2012, 08:38:51 AM
I like how, after this stupid, silly season, the finale is an insane -- and oftentimes poetic -- blood letting.

All the stupid stuff is there, but Jesus, Wash's execution is up there with some of the more poignant early season BSG deaths. Zoe -- easily the most annoying creature of the Cretaceous -- hugging Taylor afterwards got me a little misty-eyed.

I love the idea that the industrialists of 2149 seem utterly uncaring that they've basically caused the apocalypse and now the Earth's population are fleeing. They want to do it again in the past...and then take all of their profits...back...to the post apocalypse...to... I don't know. It's the underpants gnomes!

Phase one: Destroy every source of life in multiple universes and across the timeline.
Phase two: ?
Phase three: Profit.

So, like RC, I've been crushing on Sky this whole time... But then seeing the 30-something Lucas crush on her made me realize how creepy we are. It also jarred me out of the story for a bit, because that's not Lucas... It's like they're trying to squeeze every villainous trope into the character. While, meanwhile, the industrialist is a whining fool and the Phoenix group guys are all redshirts. Meanwhile, the Sixers are barely represented at all and completely vanish for almost the entire two parts. So they certainly lose the thread on the bad guys.

This made worse by the fact that they could have and should have killed Lucas about a dozen times... And why don't they just put the bomb on a timer before they send it through? Why send someone through? The fracture's right there!

But, whatever. We got action. And then we got a big reveal that's really just a back-up fracture and everyone's like, "We want to keep this quiet," to which Shannon's wife basically says that she doesn't care anyway! LOL! Guess we're back to normal, then.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 06, 2012, 01:10:53 PM
And scene....

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Fox Cancels 'Terra Nova'

Though the network declines to move forward with a second season of its pricey time traveling series from Steven Spielberg, 20th TV will attempt to shop it to other networks.

Fox took a "big swing" and missed. The network has opted not to move forward with a second season of its Steven Spielberg time-travel drama Terra Nova.

The news comes as Fox has an increased roster of hourlong dramas, including J.J. Abrams' Alcatraz and Kiefer Sutherland-Tim Kring's Touch, and heavy hype surrounding its drama development. Given Terra Nova's international appeal, however, its studio, 20th Century Fox TV, will attempt to shop the big-budget series to other networks.

While the pricey dinosaur series averaged 7.5 million total viewers and 2.6 million in the advertiser-coveted adults 18-49 demo in its 11-episode first season, it failed to catch on the way the network had hoped. Its two-hour finale matched a series low in the demo, drawing a 2.1 rating among adults 18-49 and an audience of 7.2 million.

Addressing reporters during the Television Critics Association's winter press tour in January, Fox Entertainment president Kevin Reilly said the network was waiting to make such big decisions as the fate of the Spielberg series until they had a better sense for both the midseason series and development projects. "I do feel fortunate that we have some high-class problems," he said at the time. "[Terra Nova] was an exciting bet to take and it's proven that it was worthwhile."

To be sure, Reilly and his team had hoped the series would fill a big-event genre programming void left by the departure of such series as Lost and 24. "Terra Nova is a big swing -- and the best of Fox tends to be big swings, in concept and/or tone," he told The Hollywood Reporter ahead of the series' premiere. "We are in the big-bet business. So if you're looking to break through and garner a big share of a fractured audience, and it is going to be costly regardless, you take the most exciting shots you can for your audience."

And a big bet it was. The cost of the twice-delayed two-hour premiere has been pegged at a price tag between $10 million and $20 million, a fee Fox brass argued would be amortized over the course of the show's first season. Premiering nearly day-and-date across international territories, both the network and studio banked on its performance overseas in a bid to justify the price tag attached to the production, which features futuristic technology as well as CG dinosaurs. Returning to Australia for the show’s second season -- as opposed to moving it to Hawaii as was originally discussed -- was another effort to keep the budget in check.

But when the series finally made it to air in late September, it met with an underwhelming response from critics and viewers alike. Still, while the family drama opened to only 9.2 million total viewers and a 3.1 in the key demographic, it managed to hold on to 97 percent of the demo viewers in week two, a promising sign for a freshman series.

Heading into the Dec. 19 season-ender, executive producers Brannon Braga and Rene Echevarria told The Hollywood Reporter that they were "guardedly optimistic" about a renewal and described early talks with the network about the direction that a potential second season could take. "We have pitched a take on Season 2 to the network and that's part of the decision making process for them. They were listening to some of the ideas and had feelings about what did and didn't work for them."

After quietly picking up the option on castmembers Stephen Lang and Jason O'Mara, the cast and crew began finding other gigs while the network dragged out its decision, once expected by December 2011. Already, Lang has booked a three-episode arc on USA Network's In Plain Sight, while executive producer Jon Cassar has reunited with 24 pal Suthlerland to direct an installment of Touch. Today's long-awaited decision frees up the show's many stars to consider other pilot season opportunities.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on March 06, 2012, 01:11:56 PM
That's a relief. I was worried I would have to keep watching.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 06, 2012, 01:13:16 PM
You did see the part where they're shopping it to other networks, right?

*cough*SyFy*cough*

Actually a low budget SyFy version would probably be awesome.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on March 06, 2012, 01:18:46 PM
It would be Primeval.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 27, 2012, 08:19:13 AM
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Fox Drama ‘Terra Nova’ A No-Go At Netflix

Pre-historic drama Terra Nova appears headed to the history books. After two weeks of negotiations, Netflix and Terra Nova producer 20th Century Fox TV could not come to terms on a deal to continue the series on the video streaming service. While 20th TV is not throwing in the towel quite yet as it is not releasing the actors, there is no other viable suitor at this time and the chances of keeping the show alive following Fox’s cancellation earlier this month appear minimal. 20th TV has done it before with Family Guy, Futurama and Arrested Development, which were all resurrected years after being cancelled, but given the elaborate sets required by Terra Nova, which takes place 85 million years in the past, that possibility appears unrealistic. Three of the show’s cast members have already booked new series gigs: star Jason O’Mara co-stars in CBS’ Ralph Lamb drama pilot, Allison Miller in NBC’s Matthew Perry-starring comedy Go On, and previously released Christine Adams in the ABC drama pilot Americana. Along with Terra Nova, Netflix had been looking at another soon-to-be-canceled freshman drama, ABC’s The River.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on March 27, 2012, 08:28:44 AM
The River needs to die.
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: nacho on September 26, 2012, 11:07:09 AM
From Braga -- what was going to be in store for us in season two. This should make you glad the show was canned.

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"The stuff out in the badlands, [there's] still an army out there, but we were going to find they were being massacred by what could be the possible next step in evolution for the dinosaurs. Highly intelligent dinosaurs, which we do know existed in that time ... but done believably.

Then a big showdown, and Taylor was going to go crazy ... The main source of conflict would be between Taylor and Jim Shannon, and a battle for control of the colony and how to deal with these new dangers."
Title: Re: Nacho watches Terra Nova
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 26, 2012, 11:12:17 AM
It could have been so good if they'd have been fearless.