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Children of the Sun => Newsday => Political Junkies => Topic started by: nacho on January 27, 2010, 11:31:25 AM

Title: Year One
Post by: nacho on January 27, 2010, 11:31:25 AM
So I thought Obama was gone and a cardboard cutout of one of the aliens from Mars Attacks was president, but it turns out I was wrong!

Tonight is the NW's "state of the union party" at Gaffneys in Bethesda.  We're going to watch Obama say nothing for 40 minutes while drinking our faces off.

I figured I should see what Obama's been up to. 

WaPo says that he will "change his agenda" tonight.  We've certainly seen some of those agenda changes -- increasing troops to the MidEast, and agreeing to sell arms to Taiwan, which reads to me as "agreeing to light a match in an underground gas tank to see if there's still gas in the tank."

He's taking actions to control the deficit -- and I'm sure gun-running will help there -- undo some of what Bush did to our Education system (by investing four billion dollars into middle and higher income white schools), and will "re-energize his populist message."

Woo!

So what are you all hoping to get out of tonight?  Besides war with China?

Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Matt on January 27, 2010, 11:46:39 AM
I'm looking forward to economic collapse as Obama institutes the same thing he lambasted McCain in the debates for and that everyone laughed at McCain for suggesting (a spending freeze).

The populist message is to make "left" Democrats feel bad if they dare to question his agenda, which is to continue the plutocracy of the Bush years. Basically he's making Clinton look magnanimous, and Clinton was the dude who kicked off welfare reform.
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Matt on January 27, 2010, 11:46:59 AM
Basically I'm sorry I ever voted for the bastard
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Matt on January 27, 2010, 11:48:56 AM
And I won't be voting for him in 2012, not even if Sarah Fucking Palin was running against him.
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: nacho on January 27, 2010, 11:54:34 AM
And I won't be voting for him in 2012, not even if Sarah Fucking Palin was running against him.

If she actually gets the nomination, I think it would behoove us to rally around Obama.
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Matt on January 27, 2010, 12:37:03 PM
nope. bring on the fucking locusts and boils, baby, in the motherfucking apocalypse.
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Nubbins on January 27, 2010, 06:17:32 PM
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: nacho on January 27, 2010, 06:30:44 PM
That Youtube would be so much more satisfying if it was 10 minutes.  If I ever get a dog, that's what I'll do.  "Subscribe to doglickingbutt channel!"
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Tatertots on January 27, 2010, 07:26:56 PM
Basically I'm sorry I ever voted for the bastard

Quoted for posterity. Because, what, McCain would have been a better use of your vote? Fucking Ron Loon Paul?
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: nacho on January 28, 2010, 04:53:54 PM
And now we launch into the NEw Obama.

First up -- goodnight NASA.  He's canceling all funding for the upcoming Moon shot as well as the entire Constellation program.

Quote
"We certainly don't need to go back to the moon," one administration official told the paper.

Instead, the White House will direct NASA to develop new technology "designed to someday enable human exploration of asteroids and the inner solar system."

The space agency will also devote resources to earth-bound projects, such as researching and monitoring climate change.

In addition, the administration planned to extend the life of the International Space Station to at least 2020.
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Matt on January 28, 2010, 07:20:47 PM
It was great when he waggled his finger at colleges and universities for being wasteful, when higher ed funding has decreased by over 30 percent in the past 20-30 years (not counting the new cuts from the New Depression)
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 28, 2010, 07:40:59 PM
Obama . . . Wasn't there an Obama on the roster of the '93 Padres. Short stop or designated hitter?
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Nubbins on January 28, 2010, 08:09:52 PM
I'm still an Obama fan, despite everything.  He's had more of an uphill battle than any prez in recent memory and I don't see how he could have accomplished more in his first 12 months of office. 

My complaints are centered on congress at this point.  Their extreme partisainship on both sides of the aisle is extremely frustrating given that Barry's made attempt after attempt to extend the proverbial olive branch.

As for Obama, he probably bit off way more than he can hope to chew with all the reform he suggested last night.  I couldn't get over the whole charade and spectacle of the applause last night.  It's fucking theatre of the highest order.  I wonder if the congressmen get copies of the address just so they'll know when to stand and clap and when to sit with arms crossed looking angry.

Perhaps I am just naive, but Obama seems to be trying to take the high road whenever he can, but he keeps getting mired in all this bullshit hackery.

I have pretty much quit paying attention to all of it because it does nothing but upset me when I take the time to listen.
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Tatertots on January 28, 2010, 10:10:03 PM
Yeah, I'm still a satisfied customer. My current political complaints really only lie with SF's fucking Mayor. He's a douche.

Speaking of theater, remember "terr-ist" era Bush? That shit was unreal compared to last night.
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: nacho on January 28, 2010, 11:16:48 PM
Seriously, though, was the President behind the black guy?
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 29, 2010, 10:27:24 AM
That was George Steinbrenner.

To those with short memories, Clinton's first year was a debacle too.
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Cassander on January 29, 2010, 11:09:23 AM
I agree with Tyson.  the democratic majority in congress basically had a year to get health-care legislation together while the republicans did little more than throw spit-balls at them.  But it turned into a giant free-for-all once certain congressmen realized they could pretend to withhold their votes and hold out for special amendments.  I know it's more complicated than that, but it still sucks ass.  The health-care bills just snowballed out of control until it got so huge and unknowable that it just scared everybody.  Obama tried to step in, but it was too late.

My problems with Obama stem mostly from strategy, not failed achievements or politics.  He shouldn't have said that it would take a year to close Gitmo.  Anyone who thought that was going to happen really drank the Change Kool-Aid and now they're acting betrayed.   Reality has nothing to say to people like that.  I know Obama's smart, and that he'd hoped to have it done, but why give yourself such a short deadline?   Again, the health-care debacle was another strategic mess.  He took a gamble in letting Congress make the opening gambit, figuring his cache and power would let him stroll in as mediator later on and sort things out.  Which also doesn't make sense.  He was IN congress for four years and a state rep before that.  He should've known everyone would smell the money like blood in the water. 

The problem here is that now he has people on both sides hating him, both claiming that he's moving in the wrong direction.  If an administration (at any level) lets that get to their head, things can get dicey.  What Obama should do is continue to govern and shoot for his goals but just not tell anyone what those goals are until afterward, just like Bush did.  Stay out of the spotlight until it's time to sign the bill or make a quick press conference.  Bush enacted a lot of policy changes without any fanfare, and he got a lot of it done quickly and without any fuss in the media because we were all focused on either hating or loving the war.  Obama needs to just make deals and not care if the American people know about it.  I believe he's still the right man for the job at this point in time...at least, the best available choice. 

And I also disagree with people talking about how 2010 is going to be the next 1994.  It's possible that some seats may change, but I don't see this group of repubs even coming close to coming up with a branded product like "the Contract with America" or coming up with the balls to start a budget showdown.  As for 2012, there is no republican candidate that could feasibly win the presidency right now, and even if there was, it would be more boredom, more moralistic blah-blah....not fire and brimstone.  Unless we get attacked again.  Hell, by 2012 we'll have a small, constantly dying force in Iraq that's permanently out of the newspapers and the stock market will have found a way to get up to 18,000 fake points.    Obama could run on a platform of "Change that's Here to Stay!"
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 03, 2010, 11:50:57 PM
I know I'm late to the party here...but looking at this budget proposal...good lord!  We must do something about this spending!
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: Matt on March 31, 2010, 02:31:13 PM
Haha Obama is supporting offshore drilling
Title: Re: Year One
Post by: nacho on March 31, 2010, 03:22:46 PM
I just hope he gets those WMD's out of Iraq.