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Title: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 11, 2009, 09:52:42 PM
Quentin Tarantino's WWII movie with Brad Pitt comes out August 21, 2009.

I don't know what the movie will be like, but this is easily one of the best trailers ever.

Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on February 11, 2009, 10:14:32 PM
The script (leaked a year ago) is terrific.  And the original is terrific.  And Tarantino is very aware of the original...so, I have no worries at all.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 11, 2009, 10:26:25 PM
That shot of Hitler going "Nein! Nein! Nein!" earns my ten bucks alone.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Tatertots on February 11, 2009, 10:54:04 PM
As long as it's nothing like Taratino's crap-tastic parade of shit "Death Proof", I'll be happy. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Nubbins on February 12, 2009, 08:33:57 PM
Stuntman Mike owns.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Cassander on February 13, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
all i know is he's been talking about making this movie since right after reservoir dogs (and perhaps before).  so.  finally.  is that Ryan from the Office in there?
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Nubbins on February 13, 2009, 01:52:59 PM
Yeah!  I swear I saw him too.  B.J. Novak or something.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on February 13, 2009, 02:02:53 PM
So when are we having a viewing of the original, RC? 
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 15, 2009, 09:37:46 PM
Do you have it?

Let's double feature that and Nazi dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on February 15, 2009, 10:38:35 PM
Yes, I have it.  So the original Inglorious Bastards (don't know why Tarantino messed with the spelling) and the Land That Time Forgot in two weeks!
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 15, 2009, 06:00:26 PM
The whole "Because we love making movies" chant Tarantino makes his crew do in this clip would probably get any other director killed.

Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnLcBXixlic
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 29, 2009, 10:01:12 PM
Man, will I be friggin' all over this movie when it comes out.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/inglourious-basterds.html?showVideo=1 (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/inglourious-basterds.html?showVideo=1)
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on June 30, 2009, 06:42:34 AM
Get the original in you yet?  Since this is a Tarantino film, the original will probably sort of be required to get this one.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Cassander on July 01, 2009, 01:19:18 AM
or since it's a mad-cap caper movie about killing nazis, probably not.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2009, 07:19:49 AM
I don't know...would Kill Bill have been as much fun if you'd never seen a kung fu flick?  Yeah, it's fun on its own, but it's awesome if you grew up with kung fu theater on UHF stations.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Cassander on July 01, 2009, 08:43:07 PM
so if i watched a bunch of shitty sci-fi serials from the 50s I'd enjoy Star Wars more?
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
No, if you were a water farmer from a dismal backwater planet you'd enjoy Star Wars more.  Or the prequels, at least.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Nubbins on September 08, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
I went to see this with Pops this weekend and I really enjoyed it.  He fell asleep for a little bit in the middle, so take that as you will. 

It's fairly typical Tarantino fare; lots of dialogue, mostly in German or French, some interesting cameos (Mike Myers, wtf?) and more than one instance of over-the-top violence. 

All in all though, this was a really fun movie.  You don't need any background on the Nazis in order to hate them, so the movie can just launch right into fucking them up, which is great.  Pitt, of course, steals pretty much every scene he's in and perhaps the best performance came from Cristoph Waltz, some obscure German TV actor, as Hans Landa, The Jew Hunter.

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As for his spelling of Basterds, there is one scene where you see their misspelled name carved into the butt of one of the rifles, so it's almost as if the Bastards don't know and furthermore don't care how their name is supposed to be spelled.  I took it as Tarantino taking a bit of artistic license with their personality.  Who knows.

Good movie though.  I don't know that I'd say you need to go see it in the theater or anything, but it's a lot of fun and the end is just awesome, signature Tarantino.   


Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on September 08, 2009, 05:09:28 PM
Nazis and Tarantino?  Yes, I need to see it in the theater.

However...there have now been three aborted attempts to do so.  At the rate I'm working and booking up my free time, I'll have no choice but to wait for the disc.

(It has, by the way, already leaked for download.)
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Nubbins on September 08, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
It's definitely enjoyable in the theater, but I would not classify it as a "must see" in the theater... visually, it's just a movie.  You'll enjoy it just as much through a torrent or on a disc of some sort.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: monkey! on September 10, 2009, 08:03:43 AM
I liked it, quite a bit.

Hans Landa, the Jew Hunter, stole the show. Brad Pitt's character was a little light on it I thought and that blonde Julie Dreyfuss chick is hot and needs Monkey inside her, even though she was all into that inter-racial stuff.

Monkey give 8 thumbs up from 10 hands.

"You must wait for zee cream!"
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on November 22, 2009, 08:52:09 PM
This is the best thing Tarantino has ever done.

Tension -- check

Comedy -- check

Gore -- check

Reference Sidney Poitier, Blaxploitation cinema, Spaghetti Westerns, and the 1980's Cat People remake within one hour of each other?  Check. 

Bring in unknown actors who are the greatest actors of our generation?  Check.

Tell an overdone story with vim, verve and originality?  Check.



Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Tatertots on November 22, 2009, 09:03:42 PM
Fuck! No wonder half my friends hated it! Gotta add that to my weekend list.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on November 22, 2009, 09:21:47 PM
He made a fucking Jewish fairy tale.  It's incredible. 

The NW and I had to go back and watch choice scenes again.  It is the best thing he has ever done.  Astounding.  Haunting.  Tear-jerking and hysterical at the same time.  The quintessential Tarantino film.  I would go ahead and call this a life-changing film.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Nubbins on November 23, 2009, 01:21:35 AM
I really liked it too, but best thing he's ever done?  I don't know if I enjoyed it as much as Jackie Brown or Pulp Fiction.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on November 23, 2009, 07:30:47 AM
I'm glad you have Jackie Brown up there.  That's most people's least favorite yet, yes, it's one of his best.

Pulp Fiction is young Tarantino's best work.  Let's call this one Vegas Tarantino's best work.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 23, 2009, 09:25:46 AM
I must see this.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on November 23, 2009, 10:18:35 AM
Just in defense of my claim -- the fact that he made it a Jewish fairy tale is just incredible.  And the fact that he plucked weird no-name nobodies for the major roles.  The Jew Hunter is astounding.  He steals every scene.  He owns the movie.  He is Satan incarnate.  And yet he's just some German TV actor. 

Tarantino's attention to detail is lovely, as well.  He's updating all the old WWII films, where the Nazi's are either stoic soldiers or dangerous madmen.  Probably the only weak points are Hitler and Goebbels. They're comically over the top (and that would be just fine for a generation who hasn't seen them so ably portrayed in movies like Downfall).

Where Inglorious Basterds excels is that Tarantino finally went full-on fantasy.  Pulp Fiction is a great example of storytelling, Jackie Brown is a loving and cool adaptation and homage to Tarantino's favorite films and stars, but Basterds is something of a Grimm's story circa 2009 as told by a film geek.  And, in fact, pulls that punch.  Which may be my only complaint.  You can see where he was afraid to fully go with it, so we get the Dirty Dozen-style plotline with the Basterds themselves.  The movie is really Shoshanna's story.  And, there, Tarantino steps out of his comfort zone...which is what makes this a great movie.  With her story, it's no longer an homage to B-movies.  Even the sub-plots of her story are way above the usual Tarantino thing.  And tell me that Cat People scene with Bowie wasn't a stand-out moment of his filmmaking ability.  The way he lined up those shots, and using the window from The Crow.  The full on tale of vengeance (and tipping the hat to all the great tales of vengeance), the mysterious reel 4 (so wonderfully revealed as we go fully into that fairy tale finale -- Shoshanna is the golem that Hitler was ranting about) and, most daring of all, Tarantino throws out conventional storytelling and changes history.  Creates an absolute fantasy world.  Tarantino has never left the boundaries of reality before.  And Kill Bill doesn't count because that's just an intensely introspective homage to the Shaw Brothers.  It's not actually stepping out of the movie reference artillery barrage and telling a story.

 


Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Nubbins on November 23, 2009, 11:38:56 AM
Ahh, I didn't realize that the fantasy aspect was his own... I just figured that was part of the original too.  Speaking of which, I still need to check that one out.

I really enjoyed Basterds, though.  It was a great movie.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on November 23, 2009, 01:42:22 PM
The original is a Blaxpliotation film about a group of prisoners who get a lucky break and decide to make a run for Switzerland but, along the way, are co-opted by a secret agent to go and sabotage a lab developing updated equipment for the V2, at which point it becomes a ripoff of Dirty Dozen.   

So Tarantino didn't do a remake.  They're related only in that the "bastards" are a squad of minorities in Europe.  There's none of the Jewish stuff, no Shoshanna, no Jew Hunter, no Hitler or high ranking Nazis.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Nubbins on November 24, 2009, 11:40:42 AM
And no Brad Pitt playing a redneck disguised as an Italian.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on November 29, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
So I'm watching the Cat People sequence again (the opening of Chapter Five) and still spellbound.  Not just Cat People, and The Crow window, and Tarantino actually writing originally...but the way he did every single sequence of that shot.  Look at the placement of faces, and lighting, and windows, and swastikas.  Amazing.  Also the colors.  Shoshanna is the Swastika as we end the scene.  She dons the red and black, and the red of the flag is throughout the scene.  Her dress, her nails.

Yeah.  This is Tarantino's masterwork.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: monkey! on December 01, 2009, 10:27:13 PM
I think Nacho was drinking a bit too much Gin for his last few posts there.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on December 02, 2009, 07:15:34 AM
Nope!
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: monkey! on December 02, 2009, 10:07:41 AM
Yip!
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 29, 2010, 11:16:08 AM
I concur that Basterd's is Tarantino's masterpiece. By far his best work.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 02, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
All right . . . Inglourious Basterds

It's takes everything about Tarantino's style to the next level of sophistication. The fragmented use of time, the tragic femme fatale, the hypnotic dialogue, and the pop culture references are all used in a way that serves the fantasy world he's created. The mistake people make about Tarantino is not realizing that EVERY movie he's ever made is a fantasy. They all have that fairy tale quality to them.  Here that has been finessed to a historical fiction that's so magical, you wish it actually happened that way.

I thought Kill Bill was a cartoon of the "Tarantino style." And Death Proof was just a misfire. (Though I feel like I should watch it again now that I truly realize what it was, a homage to the Ms. 45/Switchblade Sisters type of exploitation. The mistake was pairing it with the horror/sci-fi/action cartoon of Planet Terror.)

Here, he went in the opposite direction of the cartoon, a sort of pulp realism that even when it drifts into over-the-top exploitation (the Basterds themselves) retains a gripping sense of dignity and gravitas.

Man, I fucking loved it.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on August 02, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
Yeah.  Top five movies of the last decade, for me.  And easily his best.  I loved the 80's refs... And that, this time, the fairy tale was more classic Grimm than anything else.

I've watched it four times already! I never get tired of it.  The Cat People/Crow Bowie scene is a go-to for me when I get depressed. 
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on December 29, 2012, 01:45:22 PM
Do we not have a Tarantino catch-all thread? I thought we did...and I see a couple that can be merged into this one, which I'm now taking over as the catch-all thread (though feel free to moderate/move/merge if I'm missing the thread, RC).

Anyway... Django Unchained is planned for today with NOLA girl, who sticks her nose up at every current film except for this one. Which is awesome. And I didn't realize that Christoph Waltz is the main star. Since he made Inglorious Basterds so amazing, I can't wait...
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 29, 2012, 09:39:45 PM
And?
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on December 30, 2012, 11:07:17 AM
We fell through because, when she saw that matinee tickets were $11, she lapsed into a rage and ordered me to steal it as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on December 30, 2012, 01:39:35 PM
Oh, but, Skyfall leaked. So we're watching that now. Adele is the worst singer in recent years. I sometimes wonder if America has lost all cultural consciousness.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: monkey! on December 31, 2012, 01:58:47 AM
Dropbox me.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 01, 2013, 01:51:28 AM
You don't like Adele?!?

I could listen to her for hours.

But I don't really listen to music, so I'm no great judge.

But shut up! I like what I like okay?!?!
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on January 01, 2013, 10:30:50 PM
Don't worry. It's just me.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on January 04, 2013, 01:16:19 PM
Okay. I'm going to force Django Unchained this weekend! Step one: Do not talk at length about the 100 (!!) previous Django films.

Well, there are only two, really. From which this one draws. But I've quietly been collecting the unofficial sequels -- of which there are 31 "watchable" ones as long as "watchable" means you like guys pulling Doom-style machine guns out of coffins they carry on their back and firing 7000 bullets into each bad guy.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on January 13, 2013, 11:24:32 AM
I am shocked to report that Django Unchained is a terrible movie. After a very strong first half hour or so, it turns into a meandering, over-long mess. Dicaprios bad guy is shoehorned into the second act - out of nowhere - forced into the bad guy role and then casually killed off to make way for a final gunfight that is almost an I'm Gonna Git You Sucka level of parody. Like bullets that go through three walls until you pull a thin piece of plywood over you as a shield and so on.

Dicaprio's presence is, largely, mystifying and you wonder why you needed that half hour. To deliver the controversial racial theory speech? Except they pulled their punches there and what could have been one of cinema's most chilling monologues turned into Dicaprio acting with a hammer and not making sense.

What started as a potentially amazing spaghetti western homage turned into bizarre satire. More homage to Blazing Saddles and the sillier moments of the old Wild Wild West tv show.

This is, in my opinion, Tarantino's first miss. I'm a little heartbroken...
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 13, 2013, 12:31:34 PM

This is, in my opinion, Tarantino's first miss. I'm a little heartbroken...

Have me not argued over Death Proof before?
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: nacho on January 13, 2013, 01:53:44 PM
This is, in my opinion, Tarantino's first miss. I'm a little heartbroken...

Have me not argued over Death Proof before?

I don't count the weird hobby stuff like that, and Four Rooms, which Tarantino clearly does on a rainy weekend.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 13, 2013, 02:02:52 PM
I slept on Inglourious Basterds for far too long, and don't want to do that here. That said, this has gotten really over hyped in the trollish film geek circles which attack everything for stupid reasons. (Inception had too which is why I laid off it forever.)

It's on the Oscar list though, so I'm sure we'll get it in to me sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Inglourious Basterds
Post by: monkey! on January 13, 2013, 11:34:40 PM
Still haven't watched Django Unchained... was going to wait for the cinema.
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 27, 2013, 12:15:27 AM
While Django Unchained is no Pulp Fiction or Inglourious Basterds, I can still find lots of good things to say about it. Like every Tarantino movie (except Death Proof), it makes me want to completely trust myself as a filmmaker. Tarantino so obviously trusts his instincts, even when they lead him astray. He's one of the most fearless filmmakers working.

I thought DiCaprio was great actually. maybe it's because I always think of him as a kid even when he's playing Howard Hughes or trying to be the new Deniro. He was one scary mother fucker in this movie. More importantly, I believed him in the "maturity" of the role which I often don't. All the performances were great actually. If there's a weak link it was Jamie Foxx in the title role, but maybe that's because the script at times made him a supporting player in his own story.

Missus RC and I both commented how we never noticed it's length which I think is the best compliment I can give it. That fucker is almost three hours long.

Anyway, RC gives his approval.
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: nacho on January 27, 2013, 10:55:49 AM
It's hard for me. I'm so very forgiving of Tarantino. So much so that I excuse Death Proof...and this movie, of course. But with Django, I really do feel let down by him for the first time. Largely because I feel like he's been working on Django (the Spaghetti Western motif) for a long time. I don't like that Inglorious Basterds is a better homage to Spaghetti Western's than the modern spaghetti western is, you know? As a movie buff, I feel like Tarantino really dropped the homage ball that is usually so strong and enjoyable (and almost verging on in-jokes) in his other movies.

But that means nothing, really. I'll be excited about whatever's next, regardless.
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: monkey! on January 30, 2013, 10:19:42 PM
I had misgivings regarding Django Unchained, having heard very mixed reviews - but I waited until the cinema for watching it, foregoing the downloaded option and I'm glad I did. Sure, this is Tarantino's more 'Hollywood' film, more 'epic' and maybe more 'mainstream' than his other efforts but it was nonetheless a great film, albeit a touch too long.

I love how Tarantino has upgraded from a Jewish revenge fantasy mixed with Nazis meets Western films to Slave revenge fantasy meets German fairytale meets western films... and it worked really well. That German Jew-Hunter from Inglourious Basterds was, once again, fantastic and I counted him as the lead character rather than Jamie Foxx. Yes, Di Caprio's phrenology speech could have been much darker, much more racially damning, but I think that it may have been too much in this somewhat light-hearted take on the horrors of slavery. Light-hearted? Sure!

Yes, the horrible aspects of slavery were highlighted, but not gratuitously so, nor to extremes - just enough to give the terrible background of abuse amidst an entertaining and often comically violent revenge romp.

I enjoyed it a lot... although I'm still not sure how Di Caprio cut his hand in that scene....

Monkey's verdict?

4/5 fingers in a vagina.
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: nacho on January 31, 2013, 08:35:49 AM
I stand by my thoughts...and also that I forgive Tarantino for everything, so no sweat.
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: nacho on March 21, 2013, 08:41:17 AM
Here's something interesting... Watched Kill Bill last week and, you know, I don't think it holds up. It all seemed hammy and slightly off. Weird...
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: monkey! on March 21, 2013, 11:23:26 AM
I watched Kill Bill earlier this year, pre-Django, and I loved it. Just the right amount of 'cheese.'
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: nacho on March 21, 2013, 11:38:47 AM
I wonder if Django has soured me...  I loved Kill Bill the first time around, and later when it came out on disk. This is my first return to itn in about five years.

Actually... Inglorious Basterds soured me! Such a perfect, brilliant movie.

What I sort of realized with Kill Bill is how Tarantino has sort of been an organic director. You see the next movie he's thinking about in the current movie, you know? The Spaghetti Western/revenge saga influence on Basterds, for example.  Kill Bill is almost like some sort of turning point. It's an homage movie to Tarantino Phase 1, and an introduction/statement of purpose to the modern Tarantino.

Or maybe I'm just growing out of my childhood love for Asian action cinema... 
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: monkey! on March 21, 2013, 12:44:42 PM
Try some self-flagellation.
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 12, 2015, 03:25:41 PM
Posting without having watched.

Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: nacho on January 24, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
So... The Hateful Eight. We watched all three (!) hours of it last night and hated it. The worst movie he's ever done. And people going on and on about Morriconi? His music was overshadowed with modern day songs. It was weird. A terrible, awful, horrible movie.

And...utterly fascinating. We couldn't stop watching. What Tarantino did was put on a stage play. The pacing, dialogue, and characters all felt like a play you'd go to see in the 50s. We compared it repeatedly to 12 Angry Men.

Very strange...
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: nacho on December 02, 2019, 11:46:37 AM
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was terrific! Mainly because he returned to the "fairytale" aspect that made Inglorious Basterds so amazing. Unlike that movie, this fairy tale was a little bit more subtle throughout (despite the name, and the use of the name in the credits). A much more personalized sort of fairy tale instead of the much broader fairy tale of Jewish vengeance.

As with IG, I found that this fairytale ending left me full of hope and love. The sort of thing we need from modern movies (and Tarantino). This is actually a feelgood movie!

Now, RC needs to weigh in on the Manson angle, because I thought the casting (across the board) was magnificent here.
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 02, 2019, 01:14:44 PM
I, too, loved this movie. I still think IG is QT's magnum opus, but this is really great too. Much more in line thematically and visually with his early work, but showing maturity and restraint.

Performances are great. How much Pitt has aged to look like Robert Redford is uncanny, and cool. I'd totally watch a Butch and Sundance remake with him in the Redford role. DiCaprio is unbelievably good here as well. It may be his best performance ever, and he's had a lot of good ones.

RE: Manson... I may have been burdened by my deep knowledge of Manson lore here. I went in telling myself to shut off that side of my brain. I had heard rumors of an IG style history rewrite at the end. In the context of what QT was saying about the death of old Hollywood (in his fantasy of it never dying), the alternate history made sense. Though I'll go the other way here and say I found it more off-putting than his torching Hitler in IG. Maybe it was the intimate gruesome violence of it all. I do like that the Manson stuff was just sort of peripheral to the Rick Dalton / Cliff Booth story.

And make no mistake OUATIH is a fairy tale romanticized version of that era of Hollywood. Yes, the Manson murders brought in paranoia, but the seedy underbelly had been there since the inception of the studio system. Hollywood has been a corrupt criminal enterprise from the beginning; California was still basically it's own fiefdom when the studios were founded. The owners of them were people who thought they were above the law and could do what they want with whom they want. If Sharon Tate hadn't have been murdered by Manson (rumored to be Hollywood's pimp du jour before he wen off the deep end) something else would have happened eventually.

But I'm sort of cynical about that whole era after spending so much time in the Manson gutters.

OUATIH is  a feel good movie, maybe the only QT movie that truly does lave you feeling warm.
Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: nacho on December 03, 2019, 10:16:00 AM
The intimate gruesome violence, though, was very Manson, no? If history had run its course here, then it would have been intimate gruesome violence happening at the top of the hill. So it's fitting that the fantasy re-write sees that same violence turned on the Family. And, in fact, done with the same sort of cool, collected calm that we all imagine ythe Family to have been capable of. Which underscores your point, yes? We are Manson. It was always there.

In terms of that maturity -- I love that he kept the fairy tale aspect in check. I went through most of the movie pretty much convinced that QT was making a movie about the inconsequential guys who lived next door to a national tragedy and just cruised on by without realizing it or caring.

Title: Re: The Quentin Tarantino Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 03, 2019, 03:59:13 PM
Again, I think it's just my deep knowledge (and investment too I guess) in the Manson mythos that my brain had a hard time *not* going, "It didn't happen like that."

But yes, the violence is certainly the point. We would have been appealed by being shown how it actually happened, but we cheer because the Manson family is getting a comeuppance they never really got in the real world. It cheering about the murderer in the electric chair for murdering our loved ones, except on a weird mass cultural level. It's the same way we cheer when Shoshanna wipes out the nazis at the end of IG. The fantasy of the Manson murders felt more like a veiled denial to me than the Nazi fantasy. It had a "this is how it *should* have gone" vibe. Again, I've spent a lot of time in Mansonland so it's hard for me to shut the expert part of my brain off.