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Title: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 02:15:52 PM
Recently, I asked Jody Reale to send me photos of her retainer dressed up in doll-sized Christmas outfits, when she confessed to me that she had reached an "Internet Saturation Point."  It occurred to me that I had, too.  It's happened to her because she's 76, and it's happening to me because I'm rapidly approaching 76 though, thankfully, I'll never catch up with Jody because that's impossible...unless...Einstein was right!  But even then, it's impossible.  It would take a bolt of lightning to provide the power we need!

Also, a 35 year old PhD told me today that "you kids call them landfills now, but they used to be called junkyards.  Landfills is a modern term, we didn't have them back then."  Amazing what an extra $60,000 in tuition can get you. 

So now that we've all had this current version of the Internet, at variable speeds, for a solid 10 years, let's discuss.  The Saturation Point.  Enough is enough.  Email becomes just a bit too much, friendships that have moved from occasional phone calls and sporadic letters has evolved into nothing but mindless email forwards or, worse, more contact via email than you've ever had with people in your life leading to a strange sort of drunken, late night dependency that, eventually, degrades the friendship into something weird.  When you see the friends again on a holiday, you feel odd not emailing them and misspelling "the."  You almost want to pronounce it "teh" everytime you use it in normal conversation.

Not a problem if the friend is in the next office building, or is a relationship spawned from the net, of course.  And that latter point, there, is an odd duck, isn't it?

Junk mail, in the normal world, is nothing.  It's flung into a trashcan without a thought.  A wound you haven't yet noticed and, so, don't feel.  But junk email...it's a personal and violent invasion.  Great pain is taken to avoid it.  That small corner of your life can be toppled by it. 

Entertainment.  Your little handful of shows and musical niche is suddenly invaded with mass availability.  Tony says I need to check out these commercials from Russian TV aired in 1982.  Okay!  And it's a gateway drug.  One moment it's anti-American propaganda and, the next, it's 170 gigs of anal fisting dwarves in Spain.

"I don't know if my wife left me because I started downloading off the net or if I started downloading off the net because my wife left me."

Meanwhile, there's keeping up.  Not just with the Joneses, but with your own private interests.  Those constantly updated webpages, the endless, revolving content.  News updated secondly, and told in a thousand different voices.  The forum with hundreds of members where your marked threads are on the third page before you finish your phone call with Amazon asking why your package was fucked up.

Suddenly you realize that you're on all day and all night.  Just a few years ago, you logged on to check email.  Maybe an hour a day.  But, god, get off the phone!  Calls might be coming through.  Not anymore.  Who calls you?  Aunt Dotty.  And you don't answer that call.

Now, you don't get calls, do you?  That book contract, that editor, that agent, that Cd you ordered, your cousin Sally, your friend next door and another friend in Bangkok, as well as your food order for the week are all on email.

It's an extension of the too much input-ADD argument that you often hear.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2005, 03:51:01 PM
You really need to get out of the house.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 04:00:27 PM
SHUT UP!  The Sinful Dwarf is almost finished downloading!

http://imdb.com/title/tt0070696/

I'm going to share an anecdote about that movie later tonight.  I've been looking for an uncut copy since 94.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: zerda on November 30, 2005, 04:00:58 PM
Nacho, I'd call you, but your voice is like crack cocaine.  Email is so much safer and less addictive.

Unless one is emailing porn.  That is different.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2005, 04:08:15 PM
Everything in moderation, Nacho.

I'm sort of over the internet. Yes, if I want to waste time, it's awesome, but I have about ten sites that I check in the morning to get news, entertainment info, film stuff, etc. then I leave it alone. I don't download movies or even music for that matter. I have other things that pull me away from the computer.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 04:08:40 PM
I always hated phone calls, anyway.  Just a comparison for the purpose of the discussion.  Used to be the only connection.  A respectable person could have an emotional breakdown privately, with an unplugged phone, and drawn curtains.  I used to come home, unplug the phone, then watch VHS tapes in the living room while eating metal filings or whatever it was I ate.  Now I download The Sinful Dwarf and will eagerly rush home and surf the porn sites trying to find motherfucking Cinderella uncut and at a decent price.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0075849/

What the fuck do I have to do to get that?  Now in the 15th year of the search.  I will NOT pay 30 bucks or more for some chewed up former rental that's probably hacked out the popcorn birth scene.

Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 04:11:55 PM
I have other things that pull me away from the computer.

Thanks for the shot.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: zerda on November 30, 2005, 04:14:52 PM
Come on, I just saw a copy of that Cinderella thing on Amazon that said "Viewed Once." 

Yeah, I read your list, you difficult person.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2005, 04:15:11 PM
Not just my wife and cats. I'm talkinga bout friends, other interests that have nothing to do with the computer.

Plus, don't give me that alcoholic shut-in crap. You have friends. You just choose not to put forth the effort most of the time. You're just an obsessive culture cultist who couldn't stand it if someone got new info before you did.

And Jody? She's friggin' Jack Torrence eight months of teh year! What do you expect?
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: zerda on November 30, 2005, 04:20:44 PM
Ah, Nacho, perfect chance to say yes to dinner with me tomorrow!!!  Thirsty Thursday!  Come on, say yes!
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: jreale on November 30, 2005, 04:22:10 PM
And Jody? She's friggin' Jack Torrence eight months of teh year! What do you expect?

Yeah? Well teh ski mountain is open for business, my friend. I'd like to see Jackie rip a tuber on the lift and take a sweet jump off the cornus at the top. 

Not that I'd do that now, but in my day...

Oh, hey, look! A gas oven.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2005, 04:24:41 PM
See, I figure for you the internet is a haven. You can bring the world inside when your cut off from it by a ten foot snow drift.

Plus, now you have the kid.  That means midget tossing anytime you please.

Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: jreale on November 30, 2005, 04:29:52 PM
See, I figure for you the internet is a haven.

You know, not so much. I log about 1.5 or so hours a day, plus, the snow drift situation is a rare one.  We have close neighbors, and they like to drink. Thus the midget-tossing. [Shut up! We put a helmet on her for god's sake.]  God, my retainer looks  so cute in velvet, don't you think?
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: zerda on November 30, 2005, 04:30:05 PM
My gawd, I never thought of that. 

That is the first good reason I have heard for having kids.  Entertainment value.  I bet kids are way more fun to toss than cats.  The felines always land on their feet, and they never look amused.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: jreale on November 30, 2005, 04:31:04 PM
Totally. And you can easily trim a baby's nails.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 04:37:33 PM
Come on, I just saw a copy of that Cinderella thing on Amazon that said "Viewed Once." 

Yeah, I read your list, you difficult person.

Those used copies are always circulating.  How much was it, though?  And any mention of quality?  Was it bought, or rental, or what?
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2005, 04:43:36 PM
We have close neighbors, and they like to drink.

Alwasy good in case the kid's not enough meat to last through winter.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: zerda on November 30, 2005, 04:46:14 PM
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Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 04:51:46 PM


Plus, don't give me that alcoholic shut-in crap. You have friends. You just choose not to put forth the effort most of the time. You're just an obsessive culture cultist who couldn't stand it if someone got new info before you did.

Now, now, don't assume things.  It is possible that I have three regular lunches/dinners a week with friends you don't know. 

Just because my weekends and holidays are consumed by SFWP work or overall exhaustion, and I spend my time mocking myself here, doesn't mean there isn't a social schedule.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 04:55:16 PM
Ah, Nacho, perfect chance to say yes to dinner with me tomorrow!!!  Thirsty Thursday!  Come on, say yes!

Don't say Virginia.

Would all you fucking Virginia people please move to Maryland?

Come on, visit us, it's easy.  All you do is ride the Metro for 90 minutes out to Fort Stinking Desert Station, then take the bus 30 minutes to Dead Indian Springs, then it's only 60 miles to my house!  I'll pick you up!

Jesus, how about I meet you at Lad's Bar in Toronto?

Remember, you bastards (I'm looking at you, RC) it's not "easy" to run out to your place if you have to offer overnight accommodation.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2005, 04:56:51 PM


Plus, don't give me that alcoholic shut-in crap. You have friends. You just choose not to put forth the effort most of the time. You're just an obsessive culture cultist who couldn't stand it if someone got new info before you did.

Now, now, don't assume things.  It is possible that I have three regular lunches/dinners a week with friends you don't know. 

Just because my weekends and holidays are consumed by SFWP work or overall exhaustion, and I spend my time mocking myself here, doesn't mean there isn't a social schedule.

I'm not saying you don't have a social life, but your putting forth this argument that the internet rules over many aspects of your life and hinders true social interaction, and I'm saying it only invades your life if you let it.

Plus it's relative. Some people might think masturbating ten times a day is excessive. But the guy doing it may not have any problem with it whatsoever.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 05:01:57 PM
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For a video tape!  Madness!  Besides, I'd have to go drag my VCR out of the crawlspace.  And then the TV...it's a slippery slope.

Though I could use the grandparent's equipment.  Watch the popcorn birth scene with my grandmother. 

And now they rape her with a corn cob, all graphic and shown on screen with full penetration, then she pops it!
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 05:03:21 PM


Plus, don't give me that alcoholic shut-in crap. You have friends. You just choose not to put forth the effort most of the time. You're just an obsessive culture cultist who couldn't stand it if someone got new info before you did.

Now, now, don't assume things.  It is possible that I have three regular lunches/dinners a week with friends you don't know. 

Just because my weekends and holidays are consumed by SFWP work or overall exhaustion, and I spend my time mocking myself here, doesn't mean there isn't a social schedule.

I'm not saying you don't have a social life, but your putting forth this argument that the internet rules over many aspects of your life and hinders true social interaction, and I'm saying it only invades your life if you let it.

Plus it's relative. Some people might think masturbating ten times a day is excessive. But the guy doing it may not have any problem with it whatsoever.

The argument isn't about my life, it's about how the internet, generally speaking, now rules everyone's life (or has the potential to).

edit:  You're assuming I'm talking about myself because you've judged me as an internet fiend and you look down on me because you need to feel better about yourself.  I KNOW!  I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON! 

I'm going to force you to download The Sinful Dwarf as punishment.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: zerda on November 30, 2005, 05:08:23 PM
Jesus, we both work in the same city, and only a matter of blocks apart.  Can we not eat somewhere equidistant from our prospective places of employment?  Cripes, it takes an hour to Metro all the way from your place in MD to my place in VA.

The internet rules my life.  I admit it.  That's why I can't have a computer at home.  If I did, I would spend all my time downloading old Conan shows.  As it is, I bum downloads of Drawn Together from the hackers without ever being able to repay them...
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 05:10:41 PM
Jesus, we both work in the same city, and only a matter of blocks apart.  Can we not eat somewhere equidistant from our prospective places of employment?  Cripes, it takes an hour to Metro all the way from your place in MD to my place in VA.

The internet rules my life.  I admit it.  That's why I can't have a computer at home.  If I did, I would spend all my time downloading old Conan shows.  As it is, I bum downloads of Drawn Together from the hackers without ever being able to repay them...

La Collinne for drinks, then, as always.  I'm going to spend the next 30 years of my life only going to bars where everyone knows me.  6pm. 
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 05:25:39 PM
See, everyone?  Out for drinks on Thursday at my little out of the way French bar.  I'm going to do that even though it cuts into my Netflix schedule and really puts me out of downloading the perfect player-made mod for Freelancer then spending eight hours reading about obscure battles fought in the 9th century on Wikipedia while waiting desperately for someone to post on GS.

"Hi, my name is -- "

HI I"M NACHO WELCUM TO GSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!  HAVE U SCENE THE SINFULL DWARVE???

Actually, Zerda, can you move it to tonight?  Seriously.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: zerda on November 30, 2005, 05:33:37 PM
No Nacho, I can't tonight.  If I could have, I would have. 

I am scheduled to perform open heart surgery at 5pm and simple can't cancel.  (aside: I have a friggin migraine headache.  I have already popped 4 excedrin.  I am going home asap.)

But La Collinne tomorrow sounds fine. 
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 05:38:39 PM
Living example:  A coworker just sent me the same goddamned email forward joke for about the third time over the last 15 months (that has also been forwarded by a multitude of people) and I feel bad admitting that to her.  Like I'm ruining some joy between us.

That is, uniquely, internety.  Sure, old uncle henry has the same joke, and you quietly tolerate it.  But two friends at work, pre-internet, you'd be comfortable saying, hey, you told me that one!  Right?

Hey, maybe I'm the only one with these sorts of complaints.  Maybe everyone is like Jody.  1.5 hours online (lie) and the rest of the time spent running around her huge cabin with an axe, then loping through a hedge maze.  Soaf!  SOAF!  Come out!  I'm not gonna hurt you, baby.

Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 05:42:50 PM
  (aside: I have a friggin migraine headache.  I have already popped 4 excedrin.  I am going home asap.)



Oh, give me a break.  Migraines are the cornerstone phantoms of womanhood.  I'm surprised you didn't tell me you had to write your shampoo company. 
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: zerda on November 30, 2005, 05:51:17 PM
Dear Aussie,

I been using your product for eleven years now, and I am so tired of the changes in packaging.  For gawds sake, stick with one color, yo, and preferrably not puce. 

And I am gonna kill that stupid kangaroo if I see her at the airport again.  Ask her about the detangling product she stashed in my carry-on without my knowledge, that bitch!  She gonna pay when I get out the joint!

Peace.
Z-
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2005, 06:10:05 PM
edit:  You're assuming I'm talking about myself because you've judged me as an internet fiend and you look down on me because you need to feel better about yourself.  I KNOW!  I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON! 

It's that or eat the barrel of a .45.

Oh, and I'm watching Killer Condom tonight. Hopefully, I won't puke this time.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2005, 06:16:53 PM
It'll be funny if you do puke.  Then you can blame the movie and continue drinking at the same levels.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: monkey! on November 30, 2005, 07:06:29 PM
nacho, post up a torrent for that crazy dwarf movie.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on December 01, 2005, 05:32:42 PM
Still downloading.  A few hours to go.  Then I'll torrent it.

I still haven't told my sex-related story where that movie was involved.  Soon...soon.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: Cassander on December 01, 2005, 07:39:02 PM
my ass is asleep.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: monkey! on December 01, 2005, 08:26:57 PM
Where's my torrent?
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: jreale on December 01, 2005, 08:29:47 PM
Wah! This thread is so long! I'm sad!
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: monkey! on December 01, 2005, 08:31:16 PM
Is my torrent in your purse?
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: jreale on December 01, 2005, 09:03:44 PM
No, your ass nuggets are, though.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on December 02, 2005, 11:07:45 AM
Yeah, yeah, I'll get around to doing a torrent.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: fajwat on December 02, 2005, 02:48:07 PM
good rant, nacho, but that's the way it is.  I'm sick of rush hour traffic but that isn't going away either.

I toxed out on BBSes before you but I think I just wasn't getting as much out of them as you were.  When my 486 died mid-1995 I waited a few years to replace it -- I'd toxed out on PCs but I worked with the internet every day.

my end-of-the-rat-race dream has been to move to the middle of nowhere and do agricultural work -- breeding Maine Coon Cats or shitake mushrooms -- but I'm waiting until I can afford a fast internet connection to my mountain cabin.

"strange sort of drunken, late night dependency that, eventually, degrades the friendship into something weird. "  eh, this is about all I'm capable of anyhow.  I do prefer meeting in person but my logistics suck.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: Damien on December 02, 2005, 07:20:05 PM
A nice little rant there.  For the record I'm stealing the rant, polishing it, removing the profanity, and including it as a supplemental for my college applications.  Just think, you may be the reason I get into a prestigious community college.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: monkey! on December 03, 2005, 04:54:27 PM
Where's the fucking torrent, Gifford?
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on December 03, 2005, 06:12:01 PM
I'm fulfilling other torrent obligations at the moment.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: fajwat on November 17, 2006, 11:30:22 PM
My thoughts keep returning to this thread.

*bump*
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on November 18, 2006, 12:20:42 AM
I think Monkey is under the impression that he's the only person in the universe.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 18, 2006, 12:22:47 AM
He's not?

Then . . . who am I?

WHO AM I!?!?!?@@!!???
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: monkey! on November 18, 2006, 11:31:50 AM
You are me.
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 31, 2019, 11:32:24 AM
Here's a thread that's only thirteen years old.

Go back and read it actually. Some of the ideas are almost quaint, while in other ways this discussion was almost ominously prescient.

Anyway, somebody at Buzzfeed (a subsidiary of NBCUniversal) wrote a pretty good piece about the loss of the old internet that made me realize how important keeping GS alive may be. We don't often say "thanks" to Nacho for keeping it up, but "thanks." (It also touches on all the crazy migration issues he's has every time the forums go ka-blooie.)

Quote
The Old Internet Died And We Watched And Did Nothing

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/how-we-killed-the-old-internet
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: nacho on January 01, 2020, 12:44:37 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: Nubbins on March 10, 2020, 04:54:48 PM
Thank you!

No, thank YOU!

Mostly for this:
 icebarn.gif!
Title: Re: Internet Saturation
Post by: monkey! on March 18, 2020, 06:32:04 AM
Begrudged thanks.