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Posted by: RottingCorpse
« on: October 27, 2009, 01:37:22 PM »

That's so fucked up, it almost makes sense.
Posted by: nacho
« on: October 27, 2009, 01:35:32 PM »

Right wingers love themselves and feel justified and, therefore, are capable of complaining only about the most superficial things. 

Left wingers hate themselves and feel oppressed and, so, complain about the world at large.
Posted by: RottingCorpse
« on: October 27, 2009, 01:31:37 PM »

And what really baffles me is that there are legitimate arguments for criticizing Obama's policies and philosophy, yet the right-wingers pick the most insane ones to constantly rail about.

I guess if it's not totally crazy, who's going to listen?
Posted by: nacho
« on: October 27, 2009, 01:29:33 PM »

Oh, yeah, I agree.
Posted by: RottingCorpse
« on: October 27, 2009, 01:26:43 PM »

I just think it's a child's argument. "Well, Tommy did it but that doesn't make it okay."
Posted by: nacho
« on: October 27, 2009, 12:31:11 PM »

My argument is that those critcism of Bush didn't come until later.

Yeah, like, a day after the election.  Before 9/11, Bush was heavily criticized, and had public approval ratings below 50%.  Most folks tend to forget that he started off as a joke.

Then came the war...
Posted by: RottingCorpse
« on: October 27, 2009, 12:21:58 PM »

That's the latest right-wing attack. "Obama went golfing! If Bush would have done that . . ."

My argument is that those critcism of Bush didn't come until later.
Posted by: nacho
« on: October 27, 2009, 11:35:49 AM »

Let's keep an eye on

Posted by: Sirharles
« on: October 27, 2009, 11:31:42 AM »

Interesting article on how the press is percieved to treat Obama differently.
Posted by: Nubbins
« on: October 12, 2009, 05:54:42 PM »

Amen to all of that. 
Posted by: nacho
« on: October 12, 2009, 05:28:21 PM »

It will be nice to travel again without having to defend myself and America to every man, woman, and child.
Posted by: Reginald McGraw
« on: October 12, 2009, 03:57:20 PM »

My own positive reaction to that piece has illuminated for me just how tired I am of hearing that the rest of the world hates my country.
Posted by: Cassander
« on: October 12, 2009, 03:25:25 PM »

Thank you for doing all the things that we, as tiny, insular nations, can't be bothered to do ourselves.
Posted by: Nubbins
« on: October 12, 2009, 02:43:31 PM »

I'd rather have the olympics.  :D  At least they will be local time.

Hell yeah!  Now, if we'd had a choice... the Nobel Peace Prize for Obama or the Olympics, I'd definitely be pissed if we chose the Nobel. :)

I just found this article from WPR:

... So if the choice of Obama is inarguably premature, then what signal was Norway, one of America's oldest and most sensible friends, trying to send?

Simply put, Thank you, America.

-Thank you for rejoining this world that you've done so much to build and improve and defend, because there is still no other nation that combines your sheer power and moral leadership.

- Thank you for recognizing how much you'd gone off the deep end after 9/11 and for making the necessary course correction, because you've done it in a manner that has dramatically re-energized global diplomacy at a time of great global crisis.

- Thank you especially for having the courage to openly admit the mistakes you've made in recent years and apologizing for them with sincere humility, because we've never seen a global leader do that before -- ever.

- Thank you for rejecting Bush-Cheney's dangerous quest for global primacy in an age of multiple rising great powers, because as the world's sole superpower, only America can invite these nations into the "club" without destabilizing it.

- Thank you for moving away from the previous administration's tendency to play fast and loose with rules we hold so dearly, like those involving torture or the unjust treatment of suspected terrorists, because your example matters most on this subject.

- Thank you for trying to unwind your ongoing interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan in a responsible, non-panicked manner, and thank you even more for still being willing to suffer the bulk of coalition casualties.

- Thank you for keeping up your good fight against global extremism and terrorism while no longer letting that effort dominate your entire foreign policy, because the global agenda is simply too full right now to allow for such strategic myopia.

- Thank you for reaching out to the Islamic world in a respectful manner despite this ongoing struggle, because we know that wasn't easy after all the names you've been called and all the immigrants you've warmly accepted from all over the world.

- Thank you for the "reset" with Russia, because as that troubled regime's next-door neighbor, Europe needs an America that's more mature than Moscow can manage to be right now.

- Thank you for your calm but decisive leadership during the worst global economic crisis since the Great Depression and the first truly global recession of modern globalization, because anything less could have sent the world spiraling toward real conflict.

- Thank you for not making China the scapegoat for all your economic problems and publicly recognizing how crucial China is to global economic stability going forward, because God knows the Chinese were no more ready for this crisis than you were.

- Thank you for recognizing the need to formally expand globalization's "board of directors" from the narrow G-7 to the truly global G-20, because it was just what the world needed right now -- another fine example of your inclusive nature.

- Thank you for restraining yourself from widespread trade protectionism during this moment of great economic and financial vulnerability, because we know how scared and angry your middle class is right now -- and thus how carefully you must lead.

- Thank you for recognizing the unsustainable nature of your financial relationship with the world and moving in the direction of correcting that imbalance in a responsible fashion -- to include trying to fix your out-of-control health care costs.

- Thank you for finally taking our fears about global warming seriously, and giving us every indication that you'll work with us toward a sensible global pact that mitigates this very real challenge without alienating the global economy's rising pillars.

- Thank you for not doing anything stupid or rash regarding North Korea's and Iran's nuclear programs while signaling your willingness to continue working toward a nuclear-free world -- however distant and implausible that goal seems right now.

- Thank you for deciding not to go ahead with that missile shield in Eastern Europe while signaling your willingness to extend your nuclear umbrella -- and missile defenses -- to countries truly threatened by Iran's growing capabilities.

- Thank you for showing some spine regarding Israel's disastrous Palestinian policies and its understandable instinct to strike out militarily at Iran, because we know how hard it is for you to try and discipline your longtime ally.

- Thank you for electing the son of a black man and a white woman the president of your country and reminding us of your union's consistently stunning ability to reinvent itself for the better.

- Thank you for continuing to remain optimistic about the future despite your current woes and those of the world at large, because we need your pragmatic but visionary leadership now more than ever.

- Finally, thank you for not rejecting this "thank you," for it was offered with the hope of encouraging you toward even more difficult decisions and adjustments in the years ahead, while pushing us to do the very same.
Posted by: Reginald McGraw
« on: October 12, 2009, 02:00:48 PM »

All I know is, for 6 years I was called unpatriotic, freedom-hating and told that I didn't care about national security simply because I disagreed with our President's policy of waging a preemptive war in Iraq.  Now conservatives from across the aisle are going apeshit because our President won a Nobel Peace Prize, completely blind to their own hipocrisy.  In addition, it's not even like the awarding of the prize can be influenced by "liberal media" or fringe lunatics... a panel of Norwegians chooses who wins the damn thing.

I don't think the people who called you that were right.  I also don't think it's necessarily bad that he won the award, it's just very easy to question.  And, yes, a panel of Norwegians chooses who wins, but let's be realistic, it's a panel of liberal Norwegians.

The award obviously has an ambiguous purpose.  The fact that Obama won it after such a short time in office speaks to how he is perceived by the rest of the world outside of America.  That alone is something we should be proud of... The American image is at least being slightly repaired after all the bullshit of the Bush regime.

In the end, I guess I'd rather have people hurling Nobels at my President than shoes.

Sure, it's ambiguous.  And the reason for the uproar is not that people are upset that the great spirit of Nobel's wishes has been disrupted.  More that it's just a huge softball for people who want to gripe.  "Peace?!?  HA!  What peace!!"  I think that the fact that Obama won it after such a short time in office speaks to how Bush was perceived by the rest of the world.  And it is good that our reputation improves globally.  I don't think that warrants a Nobel Peace Prize, but...who cares?  Great, our president won.  I'd rather have the olympics.  :D  At least they will be local time.