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Title: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on November 02, 2020, 04:14:27 PM
While goin' the road to sweet absentee, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet ballot box, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to my sweet booth,
A stylus in me hand and a mask on me mouth,
A doleful Biden I heard cry,
Democracy, I hardly knew ye.

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This thread renamed 11/09/20 from "RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020" to "Four Seasons Total Landscaping"

Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
Nubbins is drunk! Yay!
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 10:26:27 AM
So I'm obsessively sitting here following the news even though there won't be a decision for, like, a year at this rate...
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2020, 10:32:40 AM
I just have a bad feeling about today. I was watching a clip of Joe speaking in PA over the weekend and he had all the energy of a five-week-old mylar birthday balloon.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2020, 10:34:21 AM
I just have a bad feeling about today. I was watching a clip of Joe speaking in PA over the weekend and he had all the energy of a five-week-old mylar birthday balloon.

And I say this knowing full well that IF Biden/Harris score a W, the country is still going to be horribly divided and teetering on the brink of full out civil war.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
Yeah, I have no hope at all for today. My money is on no electoral victory and the house has to decide.

But, if Biden does pull it off, I totally agree. The man is a doddering fool. Trump will be our shadow president and he'll tear Biden to pieces from the sidelines. Nothing will get done and, essentially, Trump will campaign for four years and get more powerful.

And if Trump wins... Holy shit, that's a mandate like we haven't seen since 1930s Germany.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 11:01:17 AM
Meanwhile! Hallie Jackson in red! Which kind of makes today worth it.

Later today I'm going to take a walk and photograph all the Bethesda businesses that are boarding up because... elderly white people who push their dogs around in strollers are a potential threat...?
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 11:05:14 AM
I used to be all about the numbers and all that, but this seems so weird and pointless today. The media is doing the normal election special coverage, but hasn't, like, everyone voted already? Who are these people in line?
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2020, 12:32:02 PM
Yeah, I'm definitely not tuning into anything until tonight. It's funny but I just really have no idea what to expect.

Here is what PredictIt.org's markets are doing on the election... was going to post a screenshot but I've forgotten how.

Biden's trading at $0.63 while Trump is trading at $0.43. They have Biden winning at 290 votes to Trump's 248. They've got Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nevada, and Arizona all going for Biden. Looks like GA, FL, and Texas are still red, but they're kind of pinkish at this point. 
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
So the random aggregator site is optimistic!
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
So the random aggregator site is optimistic!

It is. I actually tend to think that it may be pretty accurate because 1) people are betting actual money, so they have some skin in the game and 2) prices are dictated by trading volume (in theory). Those two things, to me, mean it could be a pretty accurate representation of national sentiment.

Of course, I'm also assuming only political neckbeards traffic on the site, so maybe all that's out the window.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 04, 2020, 10:23:26 AM
I have a hangover. Don't tell me the results till I get an aspirin.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 04, 2020, 10:56:29 AM
My hungover, armchair, fuck-filled, I-sorta-pay-attention-to-this-shit-but-have-tuned-out-to-preserve-my-sanity take on this, so far:

1) Democrats are fuckin dumb. I have watched them, for the majority of 2020, go back to the same poisoned well they drank from in 2016 to build their campaign playbook. We're seeing it backfire a second time, what a goddamn surprise. First, they whittled a dynamic field of candidates to arguably the most boring, uninspired, milquetoast, past-his-prime, been in politics for 20% of America's short history candidate... then shoved him down our throats... again.

2) Then, taking another page from 2016's Playbook of Failure, they spend most of 2020 planting flag after flag on the moral high ground, assuming they own the goddamn thing. They assumed this would be enough to snatch a swift victory from voters exhausted by Trump. Of course, those same voters are exhausted by the left's constant and unending moral superiority complex, their flirtations with "socialism", their SNL skits and Daily Show rants. Plus voters are scared by the fact that the left has been portrayed as being OK with and empathetic toward large swaths of America literally being on fire, being looted, and running rampant with unchecked gun violence. So the vote for Trump is a vote driven by fear and probably a considerable amount of spite.

2) Any news anchor or correspondent who is scratching their head right now and saying, "But... the polls!" should be run out of town on a rail. No fuckin shit the polls. The polls were a train wreck in 2016, so why are you still paying attention to the 538 when they haven't done anything to address their failed methodology? Why does the 538 even have a website right now? Fuckin idiots.

3) Basement Biden was a mistake... for all the "Look at Joe leading by example through the pandemic!", he should have been out there going toe to toe and matching Trump's intensity instead of assuming his intensity would blow up in his face.

4) The impeachment was a huge blunder for the Democrats. Not saying it wasn't justified, but you don't bring a whiffle ball bat to the plate in a major league game. Fuckin dumb. AND they looked rushed because they were trying to blast through it quickly so all their precious senators running for the Dem nomination could be out on the campaign trail getting ready to lose to Biden instead of being tied up in a messy impeachment. Donald has literally escaped unscathed from every scandal and charge ever leveled against him... he is a man who has never been held accountable for anything... so how could the Dems be so stupid as to think they could build the world's flimsiest case against him and expect it to stick? What the fuck were they thinking? If impeachment is so serious and is such a big deal, then maybe you should look like you're taking it seriously? Fuckin idiots.

5) And of course... how can Dems take the moral high ground on the pandemic, claiming Trump slept on it or underplayed it January through March? The fuckin balls of these people, I swear. While Trump was waving his hands magically saying it would "just go away", the Dems were bogging us down with impeachment instead of preparing us for... whatever the fuck we're living in right now. So... if the pandemic is as bad as you want us to believe, then why didn't they drop everything and make it their top priority instead of trying to score political points against Trump? Oh, that's right... it was an election year.

I dunno... I'm sure I'll think of more ways to dunk on the Dems over the next few months. I know "it's not over", but I've been saying for weeks that unless Biden pulls out a landslide victory, then it's kinda over already. Trump has already put his hands on the reins in terms of steering national dialogue and the national dialogue seems to be the thing that matters anymore these days... not what the pesky laws are or whatever.

Glad I've been mentally preparing for Trump 2.0 for the last 3 months. I have no illusions that a Biden presidency would be anything remarkable or noteworthy, but was definitely hoping the volume on politics would get turned down in America after yesterday... not surprised that it won't, though.


Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 04, 2020, 10:59:15 AM
Man, that's all very well laid out.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 04, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
Arizona and likely Wisconsin to Biden  :fap:

If he wins MI, then it's over, even without PA, GA, or NC.

Everything I said above still holds true, however. Dems are dumb as fuck and this will fix very little, if anything.

I'm moving to Oregon to eat a bunch of shrooms now, bye.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 04, 2020, 04:04:03 PM
Latest "I heard" thing is that there are still 200k mail in ballots to count in GA and Trump currently has about an 87k vote lead. Not holding out much hope for us, but there is a glimmer.

Also Dems are still dumb as fuck.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 05, 2020, 10:16:13 AM
Arizona and likely Wisconsin to Biden  :fap:

If he wins MI, then it's over, even without PA, GA, or NC.

Everything I said above still holds true, however. Dems are dumb as fuck and this will fix very little, if anything.

I'm moving to Oregon to eat a bunch of shrooms now, bye.

Man, I'm so exhausted today. I'm just watching old Red Dwarf episodes with all the blinds closed.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 05, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
Man, I'm so exhausted today. I'm just watching old Red Dwarf episodes with all the blinds closed.

I feel ya. I think it's gonna be a long week/month/rest of the year.

So far, watching the dumpster fire of Trump's presidency flame out has gone pretty much as expected. Now the litigation... will America's guardrails around our electoral process hold out? Will the Gravy Seals invade Phoenix waving AR-15s and "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS" flags? Stay tuned!

Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 05, 2020, 12:57:38 PM
My bro lives in Vegas and said NV is about to release new numbers shortly.  :fap:

I have really missed this icon  :fap:
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 05, 2020, 09:12:57 PM
Fucking madness!! I haven’t even watched Trump’s speech yet (Dadding), but it looks like GA and PA about to flip!

As distraught and horrible as I felt Tuesday, this slow descent into loss is kinda amazing to watch. Just hope it doesn’t, you know, rip the fabric of America apart at the seams... but fuck it. Time for a goddamn BEER AMERICA! FUCK. YES.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 06, 2020, 12:25:52 AM
Trump's lead in GA is now just 1,902 votes with an estimated 14-20k left to count.

I mean, I know Joe ain't gonna win by the huge margin Dems were hoping for, but if you'd told me at any point in the last 20 years Georgia would ever be a "swing" state in a Presidential election, I'd have called you crazy.

Looks like there will be at least one, possibly two senate runoff races here in January as well.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 06, 2020, 10:08:11 AM
Aaand wake to news that GA and PA have just flipped for Biden.

 :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap:
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2020, 11:40:07 AM
We win!

Now, my new prediction: Biden steps down by next summer and Harris steps up. The progressive civil war begins.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 06, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
We win!

Now, my new prediction: Biden steps down by next summer and Harris steps up. The progressive civil war begins.

Yeah, I've heard a few people say this as well. It would be a bold move on the part of the Dems. I'm no political scientist, but it seems to me they'd need a Senate majority to even think about it.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2020, 12:18:29 PM
We win!

Now, my new prediction: Biden steps down by next summer and Harris steps up. The progressive civil war begins.

Yeah, I've heard a few people say this as well. It would be a bold move on the part of the Dems. I'm no political scientist, but it seems to me they'd need a Senate majority to even think about it.

If he willingly resigns, or is diagnosed with something, there's nothing they can do.
Title: Re: RIP 7/4/1776 - 11/3/2020
Post by: Nubbins on November 06, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
We win!

Now, my new prediction: Biden steps down by next summer and Harris steps up. The progressive civil war begins.

Yeah, I've heard a few people say this as well. It would be a bold move on the part of the Dems. I'm no political scientist, but it seems to me they'd need a Senate majority to even think about it.

If he willingly resigns, or is diagnosed with something, there's nothing they can do.

Very true. Watch Biden stop wearing a mask in December and begin sniffing everyone's hair again trying to catch the rona.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on November 09, 2020, 04:32:33 PM
Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on November 10, 2020, 09:15:51 AM
Four Seasons Total Landscaping

A small part of me wished that Kate McKinnon's drunken performance on SNL was actually clever writing instead of....actually just saying all the shit Rudy says.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on November 10, 2020, 04:37:38 PM
The layers of the Four Seasons Total Landscaping comedy onion are so dense and vast... all I have to do is just think about the name of the company and I start to giggle.

What must it be like to be in Rudy's orbit on the daily? I mean... it's gotta be like living on a different astral plane or something.

We're going to hold a press conference to talk about all the fraudulent voting that we've found but we can't actually find the right Four Seasons. Also we brought a convicted sex offender as a voting fraud witness, so... you know... hard evidence.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on November 11, 2020, 11:02:49 AM
I truly hope everyone is in the know and this has all been some sort of giant prank.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 06, 2021, 05:02:44 PM
So, holy fuckin shit, today huh? Nice knowing you guys.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 07, 2021, 04:57:42 AM
So, holy fuckin shit, today huh? Nice knowing you guys.

I'm still speechless (and awake...)
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 08, 2021, 01:21:24 PM
Same here... still trying to wrap my head around this.

What's the over/under on Trump resigning before Jan 20? I say the odds are good, particularly if he hasn't damaged his relationship with Pence so much that he'll manage to eke out a pardon.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 09, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
Same here... still trying to wrap my head around this.

What's the over/under on Trump resigning before Jan 20? I say the odds are good, particularly if he hasn't damaged his relationship with Pence so much that he'll manage to eke out a pardon.

Oh, man, he only has 11 days left. Nothing's going to happen.

And all these assholes are planning to march again on the 20th...which will be even worse than this if they do.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2021, 09:09:41 AM
More and more this feels like a proper, organized coup. The rioters who were prepared for stronger resistance and had zip ties, the methodical way they went about this, the cops in the crowd. That one cop that's being chased is leading folks to where he thought (and there should have been) a whole bunch of cops. But then he gets up there and finds himself alone at a door that is never unguarded.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 11, 2021, 11:18:37 AM
More and more this feels like a proper, organized coup. The rioters who were prepared for stronger resistance and had zip ties, the methodical way they went about this, the cops in the crowd. That one cop that's being chased is leading folks to where he thought (and there should have been) a whole bunch of cops. But then he gets up there and finds himself alone at a door that is never unguarded.

This is what I've been saying and feeling since I watched this unfold live on Wednesday... how is it possible they got so far so fast with so little resistance? I also read this morning that rioters breached the House floor at 2:16 pm, one minute after Capitol Police had finished escorting everyone to safety.

Gallows erected outside, reports of people talking about assassinations, chants of "Hang Mike Pence"... not a good look for the MAGA crowd at all.

And why did it take so long for cops or the National Guard to show up? Who was pulling the strings there?

What was Trump doing, like... minute by minute... as this unfolded?

It's such a weird feeling... I feel like we lived through another 9/11 of sorts? That's what it feels like in my guts, anyway. I also feel conflicted... that something needs to be done now and he needs to be removed from office or forced to resign, but I'm also aware that everything needs to be set up for as smooth a transition to Biden's administration as is possible and he needs to be given space to act quickly on his priorities in the first 100 days.

I guess my fear is the longer consequences for this are held off, the more time Trump and his team/apologists/supporters have to change the narrative... although, this one's gonna be mighty tough for them to change, you know, given that they're domestic terrorists at this point.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2021, 06:38:29 PM
And now they're arresting capital hill cops and DoD officials for involvement and collusion.

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Ryan confirmed that there are approximately 10 to 15 Capitol Police officers under investigation for their behavior during the riot, but he did not have specific details.

This was a fucking organized coup.

When that bitch got shot through the throat, the rioters called for a medic...and had medics ready to treat her.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 13, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
And now they're arresting capital hill cops and DoD officials for involvement and collusion.

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Ryan confirmed that there are approximately 10 to 15 Capitol Police officers under investigation for their behavior during the riot, but he did not have specific details.

This was a fucking organized coup.

When that bitch got shot through the throat, the rioters called for a medic...and had medics ready to treat her.

I feel like it's going to take years for all that happened that day to come to light. None of the details that keep coming to light make this seem like just a protest... it was organized and came incredibly close to succeeding in... something.

Watching the House debate impeachment. I know it's a tired cliche, but we really do inhabit two realities in America. The fact that there are Republicans who can muster the nerve to stand up and speak out against impeachment in the interests of "unity" is just astounding to me. They're basically objecting to the rushed process of the impeachment, not the actual offenses themselves. I know I'm a biased liberal, but holy fuck... what does Trump have to do to lose their support if an attempt to violently overthrow the government isn't enough?

Also, bracing for more violence this week...  I will be amazed if we get through inauguration without more bloodshed.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 14, 2021, 09:09:44 AM
Oh, shit, I was glued to the TV all day yesterday. I couldn't believe some of the GOP. The lunatic ranting and essentially being dragged away from the podium routine is what got me.

Okay, you have a side to argue. But...does it help that side if you act like a rabid madman howling at the moon? All the Dems did these measured, sometimes impassioned speeches with time left over whereas half the GOP thought they were on The Gong Show.

And then the near party line vote. That amazed me as well. Only 10 of them broke ranks? Even their own party leaders are saying we need to "purge" Trump.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 18, 2021, 12:17:45 PM
It's all playing political chess, even something as clearly un-American as a Capitol fuckin siege. I guess it shouldn't really surprise me. All the people sticking with Trump are still betting his masses of followers will follow and bolster their own campaigns.

Trumpism is probably here to stay in some form or another, but as far as Donald's sway on it goes, I think he's toast. We'll see the GOP limp away and come back in two or four years with a Trumpist who actually knows what they're doing and that's when we'll be in real trouble. I sometimes wonder how much Trump's bumbling, self-obsessed MO on the daily actually may have saved us from the worst of the possibilities he presented had he been a competent human being. Although, 10 months into a pandemic, social unrest unlike any we've seen since the 60s, a completely devastated economy, historic unemployment, and on the brink of our second Civil War... not sure how much worse it can get.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 19, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
It's all playing political chess, even something as clearly un-American as a Capitol fuckin siege. I guess it shouldn't really surprise me. All the people sticking with Trump are still betting his masses of followers will follow and bolster their own campaigns.

Trumpism is probably here to stay in some form or another, but as far as Donald's sway on it goes, I think he's toast. We'll see the GOP limp away and come back in two or four years with a Trumpist who actually knows what they're doing and that's when we'll be in real trouble. I sometimes wonder how much Trump's bumbling, self-obsessed MO on the daily actually may have saved us from the worst of the possibilities he presented had he been a competent human being. Although, 10 months into a pandemic, social unrest unlike any we've seen since the 60s, a completely devastated economy, historic unemployment, and on the brink of our second Civil War... not sure how much worse it can get.

I have been talking to folks a lot about the fall of the Roman Republic. It all starts 40 years or so before Caesar with Sulla's dictatorship where he slowly dismantles the sharply divided Republic. His actions push the polarization (the elite vs. the common folk) to insane levels and results in a 50/50 divide in the senate, essentially crippling any progress Rome can make.

Sulla has an ignominious exit and essentially lives in sad exile, writing his memoirs, and being an occasional statesman for his extremist supporters in the Senate. His actions and precedents, though, pave the way for Caesar. i.e., that "Trumpist who actually knows what they're doing and that's when we'll be in real trouble."

All this is good news if my Roman analogy steers the course. If the American Republic fails we can look forward to an authoritarian regime that puts us in the center of a kleptocratic, culturally-genocidal empire that lasts for hundreds of years! We're, arguably, already at that stage. *hums McDonald's jingle*
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 19, 2021, 12:59:28 PM
All this is good news if my Roman analogy steers the course. If the American Republic fails we can look forward to an authoritarian regime that puts us in the center of a kleptocratic, culturally-genocidal empire that lasts for hundreds of years! We're, arguably, already at that stage. *hums McDonald's jingle*

Sorry? I couldn't hear you with this revolver in my mouth.

I can't believe the softball media coverage on this. Usually, I roll my eyes at the "I can't believe the softball media coverage on this" people, but I'm just shocked that it's mostly covered like, "Just another day in Trumpland." "He'll be gone soon." "Don't look this way. Look that way."

I'm actually pretty terrified about tomorrow. I've seen more than one comparison of the National Mall to the Baghdad Green Zone. I fear downtown DC in the 2020s is going to resemble downtown Beirut in the 1980s for the foreseeable future. I think the U.S. is about to get a (long overdue?) taste of what its like to live in one of those countries we destabilize.

I'm absolutely terrified about tomorrow.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 20, 2021, 01:21:03 PM
So I've been crying since Gaga took the stage. So far so good. All the church bells have been ringing since he was official, here in the burbs and all across the city.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 20, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
Man, that has to feel great. DC has been a city under siege for close to a year now.

I'm just happy comeptenet people are going to be running shit fro a t least a little while. It transcends politics for me almost. Just give me some actual god damned leadership.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 25, 2021, 04:41:50 PM
Jen Psaki's press conferences are so polite! I'm not used to the press secretary complimenting reporters' masks vs shouting their questions down as fake news.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 27, 2021, 09:07:45 AM
Jen Psaki's press conferences are so polite! I'm not used to the press secretary complimenting reporters' masks vs shouting their questions down as fake news.

She's hot, too. Sure. Trump hired that porn star there at the end, but she seemed evil.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 16, 2022, 01:19:04 PM
Whew! Glad everything's back to normal now, eh gang? Gang?

https://www.businessinsider.com/timothy-snyder-fears-democracy-may-not-survive-another-trump-campaign-2022-1
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 16, 2022, 03:40:54 PM
America will die this decade. We've bankrupted ourselves and broken our democracy.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 16, 2022, 05:57:29 PM
Yeah, definitely don't think things are going to get any better. I feel like it's only a matter of time until some far right outfit starts an armed uprising at this point... another Trump campaign is just going to hasten that. I'm not even sure we'll make it to 2024 to find out.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 16, 2022, 09:29:04 PM
I've read a couple good articles about "What's next for America." None of them say anything like, "Hey man. This is all just gonna blow over." What's weird (or maybe not so weird) is that we've all just resigned ourselves to it at this point. We'll slowly turn into this "autocracy in denial" at war with ourselves. Maybe not physically though the doomsayers say Civil War II is imminent. But just lost in that constant Russian "Hyper-normalization."

Or maybe we're all killing each other in the streets. My brain can't see it, but I guess it doesn't seem as far-fetched as it used to.



Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 17, 2022, 11:43:31 AM
I've read a couple good articles about "What's next for America." None of them say anything like, "Hey man. This is all just gonna blow over." What's weird (or maybe not so weird) is that we've all just resigned ourselves to it at this point. We'll slowly turn into this "autocracy in denial" at war with ourselves. Maybe not physically though the doomsayers say Civil War II is imminent. But just lost in that constant Russian "Hyper-normalization."

Or maybe we're all killing each other in the streets. My brain can't see it, but I guess it doesn't seem as far-fetched as it used to.

No, I don't think anything you can imagine is far-fetched anymore. I actually read a Guardian op-ed last week that posits the next civil war is already here and underway... hard to disagree given 1/6/20. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/next-us-civil-war-already-here-we-refuse-to-see-it)

I know none of us are on this forum as much as back in the old days 10 or 15 years ago, but all of this kinda feels like... we've seen this coming for the better part of 15 years here on the forums and have all been pointing to it in some way or another. I think back on all the threads and stories we've discussed here... the apocalypse stock market, tea party rallies, extremists, etc. Sure, maybe W wasn't as bad as we thought at the time, but it feels like we're living through the inevitable conclusion of all that hand wringing we did in 2004 or so.

I guess what's changed for me is me. Although logically I'm with your thinking as far as things spiraling out of control, I struggle with the fact that I need to stay as positive as possible and try to make sense of stuff for my two kids who will only ever know a pandemic-filled, fractured American landscape.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 17, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
I've read a couple good articles about "What's next for America." None of them say anything like, "Hey man. This is all just gonna blow over." What's weird (or maybe not so weird) is that we've all just resigned ourselves to it at this point. We'll slowly turn into this "autocracy in denial" at war with ourselves. Maybe not physically though the doomsayers say Civil War II is imminent. But just lost in that constant Russian "Hyper-normalization."

Or maybe we're all killing each other in the streets. My brain can't see it, but I guess it doesn't seem as far-fetched as it used to.

No, I don't think anything you can imagine is far-fetched anymore. I actually read a Guardian op-ed last week that posits the next civil war is already here and underway... hard to disagree given 1/6/20. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/next-us-civil-war-already-here-we-refuse-to-see-it)

I know none of us are on this forum as much as back in the old days 10 or 15 years ago, but all of this kinda feels like... we've seen this coming for the better part of 15 years here on the forums and have all been pointing to it in some way or another. I think back on all the threads and stories we've discussed here... the apocalypse stock market, tea party rallies, extremists, etc. Sure, maybe W wasn't as bad as we thought at the time, but it feels like we're living through the inevitable conclusion of all that hand wringing we did in 2004 or so.

I guess what's changed for me is me. Although logically I'm with your thinking as far as things spiraling out of control, I struggle with the fact that I need to stay as positive as possible and try to make sense of stuff for my two kids who will only ever know a pandemic-filled, fractured American landscape.

What a great post. I've felt the same looking back on these threads.

I think there will be people dying on the streets. There currently are with the ongoing protests. In terms of the complacent "hyper-normalization" society that RC talks about, that only works if everyone's fed and kept at the same general level of comfort that they're accustomed to. I'd have the same opinion if it wasn't for the shipping crisis and other shortages. I live in one of the most affluent zip codes in the country and all the local grocery stores have had empty shelves for months. People are starting to fight over rice and tea in the aisles. Other people are prepping up -- most of our neighbors now keep chest freezers and backup power supplies in their garages. The inventory at all of our local gun stores are wiped out. The new high rise condos they've been building are dark and empty. 30% of the storefronts in Bethesda are boarded up. The paper crisis means I can't really keep my company going. I can't afford to print books and, when I do, it takes months for them to arrive.

I've never seen anything like this -- even during the initial lockdown panic (or the generic snowstorm panic). At least the empty lockdown shelves in early 2020 were sort of treated with, gosh, how silly is this and a generally okay attitude. Here we are two years later and some of those same empty shelves are still empty and the "we'll get through it" attitude is very much gone.

So maybe all this will be fixed. Even if we go back to full normal, it's not going to happen before the summer. And, in fact, it'll get worse before the summer. The White House is now saying towards the end of the year is when they'll be able to unfuck the shipping crisis. And, meanwhile, we're spending trillions on broken infrastructure bills, and the vaccine, and now a billion at home test kits (all with a $30 price tag, which you know they upcharged for the feds). So the test kits alone cost as much as two aircraft carriers. In fact, the price tag on the free government test kits for just this first round is more than the entire budget for the planned Artemis moon landings.

And these test kits are totally useless and unreliable.

Meanwhile, the vaccine, at $25 per shot, isn't actually a vaccine it's simply a therapeutic so you don't get as sick as you would otherwise. Which means the Rona is free to keep on settling in our blood and finding interesting ways to mutate. Everyone says it'll be like the flu with an annual shot, but now they're talking about Booster #2 by March. So, what, a $25 shot every three months now?

There's no way we'll bail out of this financial swamp. China's already set to pass us on the GDP angle within the next few years. Once that happens it's the start of our decline into former Empire status like the UK. Except it won't be a gradual generational shift like they had. It took about 45 years to dismantle the British Empire. And it was a (somewhat) gentle financial decision brought about after two catastrophic wars and a global financial disaster that made the idea of a colonial empire next to delusional. Comparatively speaking, the fall of the American empire will be overnight. 
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 17, 2022, 12:28:55 PM
It's all too much to even think about for me most of the time. My news consumption is basically the 20 minutes of NPR I can stomach when I'm driving the kids to places, and that's about it. It's all I can bear to listen to any of it anymore. I feel like I've intentionally ground my focus down to the six or seven people we see regularly, and that's it. I think about how much I personally have changed in the last 3 years, let alone in the nearly 20 since I joined these forums, and it's nuts. I'm not sure I would have believed it 5 years ago.

We have a Costco membership now. I keep 25-30 pounds of rice on hand. I have about 150+ freeze-dried meals in buckets. I keep 3-4 gallons of clean water on hand all the time. I buy milk 4 gallons a clip. Our grocery runs probably average $300 or so every other week, but I can easily ramp things up quickly and replenish our supplies in an hour or two so that we don't have to leave the house for 2-3 months if need be. I have a gun now and have been buying ammo when I can for almost 2 years now. I haven't had a haircut since February 2020... that started as a pandemic thing, but now I just don't give a shit anymore. My next haircut will probably be a shaved head.

My wife asked me what I want for my birthday, I said a deep freeze to go next to our second refrigerator. I own a meat grinder and can make my own ground beef and sausage now. I've actually had earnest, not at all joking conversations with my friend, who also owns a deep freeze, about connecting with a local farm or butcher so that we can go in on an entire cow together.

I can COOK, man. And not just like, macaroni and cheese flare. I can blacken chicken, grill just about anything, and know in my head the canned goods, fruits, vegetables, etc. we have on hand and can meal plan in my head. Three years ago? I had like two meals I could make and the rest was just whatever I could throw into a crock pot.

For me... just having kids alone was a giant paradigm shift terms of my priorities, but the clarity and galvanization of what's truly important to me is, I guess, the silver lining of this whole ordeal.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 18, 2022, 09:32:23 AM
You're much further down the rabbithole than we are! We've switched to shopping local for as much food as possible. All proteins, fruit & veg, dairy, and general condiments (sauces, etc) are sourced from local, sustainable farms. This is less to do with the availability issues and more about how we've become convinced that buying this stuff from the store is simply dangerous. Like, for example, only 10% of beef shipped out nationwide is checked for parasites, viruses, contaminants, etc. Which is insane! Does that mean we have a 90% chance of chowing down on some listeria or E. coli or mad cow?

We made the mistake of tracking food recalls and it was simply alarming.

We did gun up. That was during George Floyd when people were throwing trash cans through the windows of local businesses here and the Montgomery County police literally formed a linked human chain at the border of MD and DC. The local news spent a few days in OOOH MYYY GODDD mode.

We have started into canning and preserving as well. Not in any serious survival capacity, but space has been made. (And, speaking of deep freezes, what brand do you recommend for a garage?)

I don't think we've fallen completely into this because we live in a convenient area. If we were more countrified, yeah, we'd be well ahead of you. The fact that it's in the back of our minds now, and influences most of the decisions we make, is telling. Because this is still posh Bethesda with a 100% walkability score.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 18, 2022, 12:45:46 PM
I feel like we're in a pretty good, manageable routine right now, so while we muddle along in some respects (like... what are we going to put IN the deep freeze?), we've been at this for two years straight now, so we've learned a lot.

With Russell being 1 and Caroline 4, we've finally broken out of the depths of diapers and midnight feedings enough to consider getting to work on our garden. We were extremely lucky to have bought a house in July 2020 on about .6 acres with plenty of sun and a lake. Once winter breaks, we'll start into planning out the garden and possibly canning too. I pickled some stuff last year just goofing around and it was surprisingly good, so I think canning should be a breeze once we teach ourselves how to do it. Thanks YouTube!

As for freezers, I'm probably going to go for whatever Consumer Reports rates the highest and is under $1k. You'll need to think about how much food, frozen items your household consumes... if it's not much and you don't plan on storing much, any old freezer will probably do and they're only like $350 or so. Home Depot had them last time I was there. Since we're a family of 4 and often have relatives over for dinner, lunch, etc. we go through so much food here it's ridiculous. I will likely get the largest freezer we can afford because I know whatever we buy, we'll eventually get around to eating it.

Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 18, 2022, 02:19:26 PM
Figures. All the highest-rated freezers have a 3-6 month lead time, and that's just for store pickup. If you want delivery and installation, it's even further out. Now, there are probably some smaller, low-end freezers that are easier to get, but since I figure I'll only ever buy one freezer in my lifetime, might as well make sure it's the one I want. We're accustomed to waiting anyway, I suppose.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 18, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
I'm reassured that I'm not the only one who has "full societal breakdown" in the back of their head.

We had guns leftover from when my wife's father died, but ammo-ed up in March 2020. Been meaning to get out and target practice but have yet to do so.

Nacho, to your urban vs. country point, I'm now in small town Appalachia where we're less survivalist / gas hoarding / zombie apocalypse prep. (Though we do have about 10 pounds of rice stored away, and pretty much keep that much on hand.)  Everything is late getting here though. (Our Omicron problem is just now starting.)

We have been keeping a garden with the idea it may become a necessity in the back of our heads. Funny thing we found out: if you plant store-bought seeds then try to keep the seeds form the fruits and veggies to plant next year, thing comes up. Turns out they're designed not to germinate so you have to buy new seeds next year. (The seeds from organic farm produce will give you fruit that potentially keeps on giving.)

In a total freak-out situation, we have the homestead/compound property we've been working on. The dream is a house that's totally off the grid; solar, well-water, composting /cistern toilet, etc, but we're far from that. Its 33 acres with meadows that have been gardened/farmed before. My wife knows enough about canning and keeping livestock (including how to properly kill chickens) that we could go full on isolated farmer if we had to, though the first year would be insanely hard. (And of course, we'd have to be able to get ahold of everything we need.)

To be honest, I don't think it'll quite come to full on Omega Man in our lifetimes. (My heart goes out to your existential dread about your kids, Nubbins.) I think we're likely to see more of a devolvement into a Hungary then Israel then Ukraine type situation. Autocracy followed by terrorism followed by civil skirmishes where the illusion of normality somehow still marches on. In some ways, we're already there with the pandemic, supply chain problems, random police v citizenry violence... The end is more Children of Men than Walking Dead.

And though it's awful to say, even in a terminal republic, we're still the privileged middle aged white men who have benefited financially from the broken system. We can afford our panic compounds and deep freezers. It's our BIPOC economically challenged allies who will truly suffer in this brave new world. That's the sad part of the problem; all the people who say, "Well fuck it. How bad will it really effect me?"
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 18, 2022, 05:19:34 PM

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We have been keeping a garden with the idea it may become a necessity in the back of our heads. Funny thing we found out: if you plant store-bought seeds then try to keep the seeds form the fruits and veggies to plant next year, thing comes up. Turns out they're designed not to germinate so you have to buy new seeds next year. (The seeds from organic farm produce will give you fruit that potentially keeps on giving.)

I actually knew this courtesy of PARANOIA PARANOIA. We source our seeds from sustainable folks and our little prepper network outside Santa Fe in the mountains where I have a handful of erstwhile cousins who have been planning for all this since 1972. We have literally .002 acres to work with, but I've been doing small winter gardens and window box gardens. In the summer we just fill up the porch with stuff. My uncle has completely gardenized his backyard in Takoma Park. He gets everything out of there from the same black market prepper seed source. They're debating filing a waiver to get chickens.

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To be honest, I don't think it'll quite come to full on Omega Man in our lifetimes. (My heart goes out to your existential dread about your kids, Nubbins.) I think we're likely to see more of a devolvement into a Hungary then Israel then Ukraine type situation. Autocracy followed by terrorism followed by civil skirmishes where the illusion of normality somehow still marches on. In some ways, we're already there with the pandemic, supply chain problems, random police v citizenry violence... The end is more Children of Men than Walking Dead.

Very much agree with this. I'm thinking more Soylent Green than anything. But, yes, in reality we'll just become third world and ruled by paramilitary gangs, mobsters, and whoever is strongest. Bad news for the labradoodle class!

I see increased police freakouts. I see food shortages becoming the new normal. I see the dollar getting Weimar-ized. I see luxuries vanishing completely. And I see it all taking 10-15 years.

To your final point: I do see it affecting us. The privileged classes really are just three meals away from collapse. So it's easy to sit here and say that sort of stuff now, but we can't get rice in Bethesda right now. Nor have we been able to for three weeks. Your ten pounds of rice stockpile is actually enviable. And, you know, that's haha funny now. But...I can't get rice. How many "I can't get XYZ" do we have in us before the very, very fragile privileged network falls apart?   
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 19, 2022, 03:20:38 PM
To your final point: I do see it affecting us. The privileged classes really are just three meals away from collapse. So it's easy to sit here and say that sort of stuff now, but we can't get rice in Bethesda right now. Nor have we been able to for three weeks. Your ten pounds of rice stockpile is actually enviable. And, you know, that's haha funny now. But...I can't get rice. How many "I can't get XYZ" do we have in us before the very, very fragile privileged network falls apart?

Definitely... I think that's why our family focus is starting to shift to sustainability vs stockpiling. It's all well and good if you've got 20 pounds of rice on hand, but if it's sourced from Costco or the local supermarket, then you're shit outta luck when it runs out, which it will eventually. All I know is, I fuckin hate people and outside the ones I consider friends, I don't care to ever be around them again. Don't care if I ever see another NFL game live, concert, take a packed plane to some far off location. Maybe someday I'll feel differently, but for now the less I have to see or contact other people, the better. I don't fuckin trust anyone anymore in this hyper-armed, entitled, utterly retarded version of America.

That said, I do worry about those less privileged than us a lot. The only reason our family has any sort of preparation effort, supplies, tools, etc. ongoing is because we own a home, we have one person with a stable income, we have land and space, we have extended family that live nearby and help us out... tons of middle class resources we can fall back on in the short term to help get us through. If I were still single, living in an apartment with a shitty job and no car... I really have no idea what I would do.

I wound up buying a freezer online today from Lowes. It's set for delivery sometime before May.

I went to Best Buy yesterday on my way to pick up the kids because I wanted to see a) if they had freezers on hand and b) what they looked like, get an idea for space I'll need, etc. As soon as I get out of my car in the parking lot and start walking to the store, I hear a man's voice yelling very loudly, "Get away from me. Leave me alone. Leave me the FUCK alone. Leave me alone. Drive away, man. Drive the fuck away. You don't know me motherfucker!"

I see in front of the store there is an older black man, wearing a mask. He's the one yelling. As he continues yelling, I see him walk around the back of this lifted F-250... all black wheels, all black paint, interior... BLACK OPS in a matte black is stickered across the windshield. He's yelling and pointing at the guy driving this truck. All the windows are rolled down even though it's 40 degrees outside. Bald guy smoking a cigarette in front with a large doberman poking its head out his back windows. I didn't witness what the altercation was about, but I'm assuming it was road rage.

I walked into the store after watching the truck idle away, then parallel park in front of a closed furniture store. The older man was at the registers attempting to re-adjust his mask. His hands were shaking so badly, he couldn't get it on. I go over to him and say, "Hey man, are you ok???" I didn't really consider the fact that I'm also wearing a mask and have like, this wild Hagrid hair that hangs down to my chest now, so I forget sometimes I probably look insane. He reflexively started to put up his hands in a fighter stance before he realized I was genuinely concerned about him. He said he was fine and thanked me and said that people just need to "mind their own fuckin business."

I looked outside again and could see the truck now circling. The man finished his transaction and started to walk out. I said, "Hey man... be careful. That guy's still driving around out there." He just waved me off and left.

I walk into the store and see empty shelves, lots of shoppers. Aimless staff socializing with one another. Half the camera display pedestals were empty. Appliances were plenty, but if you walked up to check the price on any of them, almost all had a "sold out online and in stores" callout at the bottom.

It's still very surreal to me... I perceive this façade of normalcy everywhere, but now it's usually punctuated by stuff that's clearly symptomatic of a society that's spent the better part of 2 years isolating, hoarding goods, and stewing in our own juices. Dystopian as fuck.

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Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 19, 2022, 03:50:07 PM
The lack of trust for my fellow humans is strong with me as well. In fact, I'm downright afraid half the time. We've had three murders here in Bethesda in the last month (there hasn't been a murder here since I was a kid). I've been attacked in the street both physically and with people swerving their cars at me five times in the last eight months. I feel more ill at ease when someone starts following me closely here than I do in New Orleans, where shit is definitely sliding into a third world situation.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 25, 2022, 02:36:55 PM
The lack of trust for my fellow humans is strong with me as well. In fact, I'm downright afraid half the time. We've had three murders here in Bethesda in the last month (there hasn't been a murder here since I was a kid). I've been attacked in the street both physically and with people swerving their cars at me five times in the last eight months. I feel more ill at ease when someone starts following me closely here than I do in New Orleans, where shit is definitely sliding into a third world situation.

Jesus Christ... do you guys have any plans to get out? I have a couple friends in metro areas (one in NYC) and they've at least thrown around the idea of picking up and moving. My other friend in rural OH has a farm he's been trying to work with his wife the last 4 or 5 years, but they're ready to give up. Between the opioid crisis that has junkies shitting in their gravel driveway, New Richmond white supremacists, and general Ohio shittery, they're ready to cut their losses and head to the upper peninsula of Michigan and live as far away from people as possible.

Although we settled into a much larger metro area on the outskirts of ATL than we were in Cincinnati, I feel like we're far enough out in suburbia that we haven't seen any real significant shortages of anything. The grocery stores were bare last week because of "snow", but places like Costco had thousands of pounds of rice, pallets of water, TP, paper towels... no shortages whatsoever.

I told my wife I'm probably going to be setting up some of our shelving again soon so we can start to stock more dry goods, etc. I feel like this Russia shit / November could mean dark fuckin days ahead in the relatively near future. 
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 25, 2022, 07:43:28 PM
Yes, we're planning to go rural in 2-3 years.

An interesting book is Four Lost Cities, which is actually about the death of urban cultures in prehistoric times. Scientists are piecing together this fascinating pendulum of how the Human race has glommed together into big cities and then simply walked away (for a variety of reasons, from dramatic and horrible to just gradual "I'm over it") for most of out history. The author (and many other scholars) have been talking about how we're in a "de-urbanization" phase right now after an ultra-urbanization swing. All this thanks to increasing violence and the pandemic.

Bugging out to the country was on our minds before the pandemic, but now it's starting to feel like a priority as the supply chain collapses and we see now almost daily incidents. We just had twelve police cars on our street today dealing with some sort of vague "Go back inside, sir" situation. And DC had those cop murders that are going on in every major city now. Which just makes the cops go crazy on everyone...
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2022, 09:25:19 AM
Wait...

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I feel like this Russia shit / November could mean dark fuckin days ahead in the relatively near future.

What do you mean by November?
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 26, 2022, 10:32:46 AM
Wait...

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I feel like this Russia shit / November could mean dark fuckin days ahead in the relatively near future.

What do you mean by November?

Just mid-term election shit. Maybe it's because I live in GA now and all the libs are going nuts over the new voting regulations and every vehicle is a truck with a Punisher sticker on the back, but I feel like these elections could be hyped enough that we may want to stay indoors for a few days/weeks afterward. Of course, I thought that about the 2020 election and everything stayed pretty chill, so what do I know.

Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2022, 01:18:29 PM
RE: Rural bug-out...

Team RC left DC after Trump was elected, not specifically related to that, but all the agency (FBI/CDC/Army) work I had been doing dried up because Trump was at odds with those people. I was sitting in a studio 12 hours a day recording educational videos. Great people to work with, but highly uninspired. The WV job fell in my lap when the Missus and I had already been talking about the next place. (L.A. and Austin were top of the list.) About a year in we started to have some buyers remorse. Then the pandemic happened and we couldn't have been happier to have made the move.

In a place like where we live, scarcity is something of the norm. The pre-COVID supply chain status quo was one where people serviced in this area were massive hoarders anyway, because they were one bad storm away from an Overlook Hotel situation. Our supply issues have been more about luxuries. (Pie crusts... The grocery store hasn't had pie crusts for months.) Or all the other in-demand shit; toilet paper, rubber gloves, etc. A collapse here would still be a major collapse, but it feels like a less steep drop than, say, Bethesda.

Again, it's hard to imagine a Walking Dead situation. That illusion of normalcy will continue.

RE: November fears... I also wonder how emboldened the Punisher sticker crowd becomes. In 2020, we had those ridiculous Trump caravans with 20+ trucks waving Trump and Blue Lives Matter flags that would loudly roll into town, and it was fucking scary. There's active KKK here who have shown up to small BLM and Pride events that have been held. The ISIS/al Qaeda comparisons are apt because it feels like Lord Humugous and his cronies rolling in to let the plebes know who really needs all the guzzoline.

The idea that just because my wife still has a Hillary16 sticker on her car means we're going to get run out of town seems ludicrous, but maybe not completely out of the realm of reality. Again, I'm not saying a MAGA posse runs us out, but broken windows, denial of goods and services, and just general harassment making it unpalatable to live here? Seems a little more plausible than it once did for sure.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 26, 2022, 02:27:02 PM
Glad you guys were able to escape. I feel you on the "out of the frying pan, into the fire" feelings about moving from urban into rural, though. You give up the hip, clustered living of a city for a rural existence that feels more manageable and the tradeoff is that you're living with militias and white supremacists doing their thing in your backyard. 

It's just crazy to me how 10 years ago, urban walkability with barcades and microbreweries on every corner was the wave of the gentrified future. Now you couldn't pay me to stuff myself into a packed IPA release at my favorite brewery, even for free drinks. Just a complete realignment of priorities, at least for me... on almost every level.

We're likely in this house forever, or at least that's what I keep telling my wife. I never want to move again if I can help it. Ever. We have a lake, over half an acre, plenty of sun, lots of room. Only way I'd consider moving is if it was further out into the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2022, 03:25:45 PM
We haven't told RC this but we mocked and mocked his WVA move and took bets on his demise.

And then, yes. The pandemic hit. And by the end of 2020 we thought... Fucking RC was fucking right! And then we started mapping out back routes to get to him as DC burned.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2022, 03:44:32 PM
We haven't told RC this but we mocked and mocked his WVA move and took bets on his demise.

I can count the people who *didn't* mock our WV move on one hand. I had more than one concerned "What the fuck is the matter?" conversation. In the end though, we looked like god damned Cassandras. ("Looked" being the operative word.)
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2022, 03:47:59 PM
We figured you just had a full on nervous breakdown. So you should probably own this and not suggest that we were right! Fortuna favored you.

This time... Now, when you move to that former NIKE silo in North Dakota...
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on January 26, 2022, 03:52:45 PM
At this point, someone could tell me they were building a carboard rocket and preparing to bug out to the moon and I'd be like, "Hang on honey... let's hear them out."
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2022, 03:54:16 PM
At this point, someone could tell me they were building a carboard rocket and preparing to bug out to the moon and I'd be like, "Hang on honey... let's hear them out."

We're totally in the armed compound outside Santa Fe train. Maybe throw in some sex Jesus cult comet apocalypse stuff.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 13, 2022, 06:58:03 PM
I don't even know what thread to put shit in anymore.

I've been reading about that Couer d'Alene, Idaho story where the 31 members of "Patriot Front" were apparently ready to crack a bunch of heads at a Pride parade. Apparently, they were one hotel clerk away from making some dark shit happen. Eventually, shots are going to be fired.

It feels like it's only a matter of time before one of these things goes off. There have been all these near misses since January 6, 2021. Feels like one will slip through and then these people will be empowered, and it'll be like mass shootings. Just riots and right v left street fighting all the time. Living in the heart of Trump country doesn't give me hope that there's more rational minded people out there than right wing sovereign citizens ready to tear the whole thing down to "own the libs."

Scary shit all over.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on June 14, 2022, 09:56:30 AM
I don't even know what thread to put shit in anymore.

I've been reading about that Couer d'Alene, Idaho story where the 31 members of "Patriot Front" were apparently ready to crack a bunch of heads at a Pride parade. Apparently, they were one hotel clerk away from making some dark shit happen. Eventually, shots are going to be fired.

It feels like it's only a matter of time before one of these things goes off. There have been all these near misses since January 6, 2021. Feels like one will slip through and then these people will be empowered, and it'll be like mass shootings. Just riots and right v left street fighting all the time. Living in the heart of Trump country doesn't give me hope that there's more rational minded people out there than right wing sovereign citizens ready to tear the whole thing down to "own the libs."

Scary shit all over.

This has become the theme of EVERY Star Trek spin-off. The NuTrek premise is that the 21st century collapse starts with "the second civil war" (here every spin off has been glad to recycle January 6th and BLM footage) which then led to KHHHAAANNNNN!!!! which then led to World War III and the apocalypse.

The thing is... It really does feel like that. And, to be honest, it's felt like that ever since the day after 9/11 when there were tanks on the street corners in DC and we never quite looked back at what the world was before someone finally punched us and we decided to start a Forever War with the world and ourselves.

Hell, to be honest, it all started with our reaction to AIDS and the Iran-Contra deal to dump drugs into minority communities.

Hell, to be honest, it all started when we gunned down protestors in Ohio.

Hell, to be honest...

Anyway, yes, this time around it's the sort of tension that's well-armed and not easily calmed. The Complex took care of the 60s revolution by simply homogenizing it, breaking it apart from the inside, and then selling it to the highest bidder. That revolution had every single fang removed and ended up sellng disco, sneakers, and then cell phones.

But that revolution came from the left. This one is coming from the right. And they aren't free love and dope, are they? They're AR-15s and a strange level of fear and hatred that has been quietly bred into us since 9/11. We've spent the last generation under attack or being the attacker on so many insidious under the skin levels. It's gotten to the point where I can understand how a truly broken mind and lost soul not only became so wounded and broken but can also see how an automatic weapon aimed at children may make more sense because at least it's the only honest thing in a world that's really become devoted to misinformation, half-truths, diversions, and hyper-medicated alternative realities.

What rattles my cage is the outrage. We're so fucking stupid aren't we? We're mad a bunch of kids got shot up and we demand that the gun laws change. That's like yelling at the rabbit for being eaten by the fox. The gun lobby is the problem. As long as there are people in Congress taking money from the gun lobby nothing will change. We should be protesting lobby groups-- guns, cars, gas. We should be outside their buildings throwing rocks through their windows. And we should be voting out the mentally unfit greedmonsters taking that money.

RC, your point about being in Trump's America is something that really confuses me. I struggle to wrap my head around the political polarization. I know it's fed by the media and the politicians themselves because all of that has morphed into entertainment... But when a classroom full of third graders gets annihilated... Does it mater anymore? And how does that not turn the entire state instantly blue? I'm baffled at the lack of constructive outrage. Because, at this point, we all should be out there burning every fucking thing to the ground until change actually, really does happen.
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: Nubbins on June 21, 2022, 02:01:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r156NzlHmJ4
Title: Re: Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Post by: nacho on June 21, 2022, 02:54:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r156NzlHmJ4

Ugh