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Title: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 11:29:46 AM
I'm sick of having a Richard Lewis style mental breakdown every time I go to post BvS news. "Do I put it in the Superman thread? Or do I put it in the Batman thread?"

I started a new thread... and all I'm posting is a teaser of a teaser.

Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2015, 09:20:40 AM
Well, the trailer leaked...if you can keep one step ahead of the lawyers on Youtube.

It would have been awesome if it wasn't coming on the heels of the Mad Max Legacy trailer and Star Wars.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 17, 2015, 10:02:42 AM
It's a weird cam, but I thought it was underwheleming. Though to your point, it came right after the Star Wars geekgasm. If it was a"targeted leak" Warner Bros. is stupid.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 18, 2015, 03:19:52 AM
All the leaks got under Warner Bros. skin.

So.... seeing it in HD, I'd totally watch this. Man of Steel was pretty, loud, though ultimately unforgettable. This probably will be too.

Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 18, 2015, 11:09:52 AM

 Man of Steel was pretty, loud, though ultimately unforgettable. This probably will be too.

I realize I wrote "unforgettable" in my drunken haze last night when I meant to write "forgettable."
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on April 18, 2015, 01:13:40 PM
Wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 21, 2015, 02:52:49 PM
I don't understand why anyone wants to watch this.

I have ignored every bit of info here, but the premise is that either Batman or Superman turns evil and the other one tries to stop him?  Ugh...super heroes should remain heroic to the extent that their persona allows it. I mean I guess if Batman turned a little evil, okay...some mental illness. But Superman would just crush him. And the movie's over.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 22, 2015, 10:57:34 AM
Funny, Reggie, after watching the trailer a few times, I had the opposite reaction.

Not that heroes should fight each other, but that trailer presents an interesting premise in showing that the world at large is like, "Uh, a super powered alien just showed up. Is this the beginning of the end of the human race." In the Marvel movies, people are like "Yay, Superheroes!" Here, there seems to be a genuine concerned reaction that feels very Watchmen-y.

And maybe Superman is under mind control by Lex Luthor and that's why they fight.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on April 22, 2015, 11:24:07 AM
Yeah...the Watchman vibe seems to be Marvel's masterplan. As I've seen it, there's been a very carefully orchestrated divide crafted across the movies and Marvel TV. Even Daredevil talks at length about the effects of the destruction of New York. The TV shows are almost overly distracted by the events in whichever movie that destroyed New York (all of them, right?) and how the world has changed (and not for the better).

This, by the way, is a theme lifted directly from NuWho -- the Doctor is a savior, okay. But at what cost? The "lonely god" motif of NuWho is all about how the Doctor is actually a threat to the common good because he draws evil to him, and evil knows that they can get at him by fucking with the human race. The Doctor's allies (UNIT, Torchwood), are all somewhat unsure and distrustful of his actions. His companion's lives are ruined. Even his own people despise him. Yet they all need him... They all need this ultimately tarnished lonely god.

Blurring the lines between good and evil with archetypal good and evil characters has become a common fallback in all of our genre narratives, actually. Not just Marvel and NuWho.

The problem is that these are archetypal good and evil characters. Superman, Doctor Who, the scavenger-cum-sheriff in Defiance, the man who invented a potentially genocidal AI in PoI, etc... Even when you cast them in a tough situation, and give them grey-area decisions to make, and give them a questionable background, the writing is ultimately shallow and the facets of the character don't match what the script demands. Maybe Superman does get mind controlled but, either way, it'll be a plotline as idiotic and contrived as when evil Superman formed from good Superman...whichever movie that was. Three? Four?

 
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 22, 2015, 11:56:08 AM
The problem is that these are archetypal good and evil characters. Superman, Doctor Who, the scavenger-cum-sheriff in Defiance, the man who invented a potentially genocidal AI in PoI, etc... Even when you cast them in a tough situation, and give them grey-area decisions to make, and give them a questionable background, the writing is ultimately shallow and the facets of the character don't match what the script demands. Maybe Superman does get mind controlled but, either way, it'll be a plotline as idiotic and contrived as when evil Superman formed from good Superman...whichever movie that was. Three? Four?

Yep, it's this problem exactly. I want Superman to be good, always and win, always. Is that boring, probably; but my brain doesn't want to accept anything else.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 11, 2015, 05:05:05 PM
I don't necessarily think this will be as good as this trailer implies, but rest assured that I'm going to watch the shit out of it.

Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2015, 07:20:53 AM
Okay, so... I find that trailer exhausting and crowded and overly busy and it actually makes me not to want to watch the shit out of it.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2015, 10:32:31 AM
Okay, so... I find that trailer exhausting and crowded and overly busy and it actually makes me not to want to watch the shit out of it.

Like Avengers: Age of Ultron... Yet, this is what the superhero movie is now: Big, bloated, and over stuffed with characters. I didn't write the article, but I called all this.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2015, 11:02:49 AM
Okay, so... I find that trailer exhausting and crowded and overly busy and it actually makes me not to want to watch the shit out of it.

Like Avengers: Age of Ultron... Yet, this is what the superhero movie is now: Big, bloated, and over stuffed with characters. I didn't write the article, but I called all this.

I still haven't watched Age of Ultron. In fact...I had forgotten about it!
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 14, 2015, 11:11:20 AM
It's, well...

exhausting and crowded and overly busy
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on July 25, 2015, 09:31:51 AM
Okay... If they give this whole movie the It's Always Sunny redub treatment, I'll go see it in the theaters.

Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 01, 2015, 11:33:36 AM
There's a trailer of a trailer rolling around out there, but the full thing gets released tomorrow so I figure we'll just wait for that to start musing, yes?
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on December 01, 2015, 02:51:38 PM
There's a trailer of a trailer rolling around out there, but the full thing gets released tomorrow so I figure we'll just wait for that to start musing, yes?

Wait...this is a real movie and not just a thought experiment?
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 01, 2015, 02:53:15 PM
(https://49.media.tumblr.com/678d71e68f20adfb97988b775ed81f97/tumblr_nrbku6crYZ1tit364o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 01, 2015, 03:30:18 PM
I saw the full trailer in front of Mockingjay 2.
I still do not really care to see it at all, but it moved up from, "WTF why?" To "bland indifference."
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 03, 2015, 08:50:22 AM
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 08, 2016, 11:10:58 AM
Turkish Airlines did these Gotham City and Metropolis themed ads for the Super Bowl that I thought we're pretty clever.


Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 11, 2016, 02:41:25 PM
Maybe too little too late, but Warner Bros./DC seems to have finally realized with this trailer that people come to these things to have fun.

Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: monkey! on March 18, 2016, 04:58:18 PM
Wait... So, huh?
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: Sirharles on March 24, 2016, 11:42:22 AM
Reviews are coming in...and it's bad.   Very bad.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 24, 2016, 11:49:06 AM
Yeah, I'm waiting to watch it with Nacho on the Throne Maiden's giant TV where I can safely know I'm not giving anybody money to see it.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on March 24, 2016, 11:52:32 AM
Oh, yeah. Been rubbernecking the train wreck today!

Luckily, their shame is buried by the Star Wars Blu Ray leak that has become the most pirated file in history.

Yeah, I'm waiting to watch it with Nacho on the Throne Maiden's giant TV where I can safely know I'm not giving anybody money to see it.

Ahem. I deny any and all wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 24, 2016, 12:01:43 PM
Oh, I'm sure we'll be getting it form a legitimate source as part of some streaming services licensing deal with Warner Bros. So indirectly, I guess they'll get our money. Right? RIGHT?!
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on March 24, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
That's right. Legitimate sources only. We are law abiding citizens and we respect the MPAA and are appalled by the act of piracy.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: Sirharles on March 25, 2016, 12:34:15 PM
Whether it's good or bad or just plain horrible I don't know.  I'll see it, be it in the theater or sitting on my couch.  I feel bad for the people involved in the movie because they did poor their heart and soul into it, only for it to get stomped on.  Now that being said.  This is freaking hilarious.

Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on March 25, 2016, 12:43:00 PM
I feel bad for the people involved in the movie because they did poor their heart and soul into it, only for it to get stomped on. 


Yeah! I feel real bad, too! I, for one, absolutely hate cashing those $30 million dollar paychecks. I have to double-park the Tesla and it's especially troubling if I have to take the twins to the country club for their Badminton lessons on the same day the check arrives!
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 26, 2016, 08:44:39 PM
It's on track to be a massive success, which means the Superhero status quo won't be changing anytime soon.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: monkey! on March 26, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
Poor Ben Assfleck. That said, I LOL'd hard at that video.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: Sirharles on April 11, 2016, 10:05:07 AM
Finally saw it this weekend.  While it certainly was no first Avengers or the original Iron Man, it wasn't bad.  I don't know why the critics were bashing it so much.  I actually enjoyed it more than I did Force Awakens.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 30, 2016, 12:41:35 PM
Confession time.

After bitching to high hell about how we need to use our power as consumers and boycott superhero movies because they've gotten out of hand, I paid $20 for the extended edition of Batman v. Superman yesterday. I'm not going to defend this decision on any level. Missus RC and I just decided we wanted to watch it. Yes, I kind of got suckered by the all the internet pieces saying that the extended edition fixed a lot of the problems from the theatrical release. (Which I'm sure were written by someone on Warner's payroll.) We also watched the first ten minutes Warner Bros. posted online. Then we had a long, reasoned discussion about whether or not to actually spend American dollars on the digital download. I'm sure we gave this decision far more consideration than some Brits gave their Brexit vote. (Or Americans will give their presidential vote in November.)

This doesn't make what we did right. I'm simply explaining how it happened.

So the movie itself... The extended edition is just over three hours long. The first half of it is sort of good. Not great, not perfect, but good enough that I wondered if the half hour of stuff left out in the theatrical cut really did hamstring the movie.

A quick note about this: two-and-a-half hours is about the max length a movie can be before the theaters have to shave off a screening to make their day. Now, you can argue that a two-and-a-half hours, most of these blockbusters are about an hour too long, and maybe you're right. However, in a case like Batman v. Superman where *theoretically* that extra half hour of story is where moments are made to sing, you could argue that quality take s a nosedive for money. In fact, there's no need to argue that point. This is Hollywood we're talking about. Quality always takes a hit in the name of larger profits. My point is, how many times to you come out of these two long blockbusters asking, "Why do feel like they cut out important parts to make their running time?"

But I digress.

The first half of Batman v. Superman is interesting and thoughtful in the way that Watchmen is interesting and thoughtful. I really like Watchmen. Most people don't.  So while watching the first half of Batman v. Superman, I started to have elitist thoughts about how maybe the general public can't handle a superhero movie of this sophistication and intellect. By the scene where Superman shows up for a senate hearing (about halfway into the three-hour runtime), I had almost become convinced that I was watching something truly unique.

Then somewhere in the next half hour, Superman is
Spoiler
on top of a mountain talking to Kevin Costner, who you'll remember died in Man of Steel,
, and I wondered where exactly this movie had gone so hard off the rails. It's weird because that was the moment where I went, "Holy shit! What the fuck am I watching this for?" However, I have no idea how I got there. During the Senate scene, I was all in. And by the time Superman is
Spoiler
having his mountaintop heart-to-heart with Dad
, I was hardly paying attention because I was horribly confused and thinking way too hard about the shit show I was watching.

Part of it's the "too many characters" problem, though with a three-hour running time, there aren't *that* many characters to deal with. Part if it is plot convenience, where coincidence and Lois Lane's good old fashioned newspaper know-how propels the plot forward in ways that are utterly unbelievable. But it's a comic book movie, so that's kind of okay too. A big part of it is that Batman is Batman, and Superman is Superman, and they inhabit weirdly different worlds. All the Marvel characters kind of exist on the same weird plane so when you put them together the "colors" don't clash too badly. However, noir detective Batman, and bright colored alien fantasy Superman are difficult to have exist in the same world. This really hits home during the big alien world-ending ka-blooie where Superman and Wonder Woman are fighting Comic Book Monster #45-6H7 with unlimited god-like powers and Batman is just kind of pacing around the peripheral like, "Yeah. I'm just a dude."

Even during the first half where I was still impressed (or maybe trying to justify the $20 I spent), I said to Missus RC, "You know, if you don't know the comic books, you're probably lost." Her reply was, "No shit, because I don't know the comic books and I'm totally lost." The creators of the movie assume too much inherent knowledge, and while some if it is culturally obvious (Kryptonite is bad for Superman. Duh.), a lot of it isn't. Marvel does this *now* but they're twenty movies in to their shared universe and figure very few folks are coming to Avengers: Age of Ultron having not seen a least a couple of the previous Marvel movies. And even then, they take pains to do the "previously on Chicago Hope" recap. Missus RC's other telling comment was " They're acting like they're seven movies in to their big Avengers style cinematic universe. I feel like I'm late to the party."

I could go into details, but it's such a mess I don't know where to start. Batman v Superman isn't bad necessarily, but it's certainly not good. I'll say this though, I guess I'll get my money's worth out of the purchase because I'm sure at some point, I'll watch it again just to try and figure out what exactly it's supposed be.

RC says check it out in the way he says check out the stripper who has a dead conjoined twin growing out of her shoulder blade.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on June 30, 2016, 01:11:48 PM
Duh!
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 30, 2016, 01:22:38 PM
"Duh," because I paid money for it or "Duh" because Batman v Superman = "Duh"?

Actually, don't answer that.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on June 30, 2016, 03:09:40 PM
"Duh" because it was still a bad movie, despite all your words! And, yes, because you paid $20 for it. Actually, that's more worth a "LOL."

LOL.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: monkey! on July 03, 2016, 02:21:04 AM
Nacho's so mean.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on July 03, 2016, 08:48:42 AM
Jew fag.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on July 05, 2016, 12:01:48 PM
That was terrible. Here are my problems:

1) Since when was Gotham just across a small lake from Metropolis?

2) I am so tired of the high pitched whine to denote disaster/gunshots/explosions aftermath.

3) I am so tired of seeing Thomas and Martha Wayne die. I think we're at the point where they can just reference it and everyone on the planet can call a mental image of the scene. Watching them get shot feels like watching the Towers come down on 9/11 over and over, week after week... The only "oh!" moment is when they change the angle of a shot or give Thomas Wayne facial hair.

4) Not nearly enough footage shot of Amy Adams taking a bath.

5) Am I crazy of is Jimmy Olson not only a top ranked CIA spy but also dead? Did I miss something?

6) Why'd Superman let the government get a hold of Zod's body and ship? He might as well just sell kryptonite on eBay.

7) So they're referencing the X-Men, right? What's the meta-human thesis? And how will kryptonite hurt them? Luther clarifies it's an alien reaction.

8) I quit at the 40 minute mark to get some work done. But I feel like I can only approach this monstrosity in 40 minute chunks anyway. So more tomorrow!

Also, Amy Adams in the bath is worth the price of admission.

Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 05, 2016, 06:46:44 PM
I should warn you that the beginning is "the good part" of the movie.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on July 06, 2016, 07:05:26 AM
Wow...yes...I finished it. I don't know what to say. That was more like a series of fever-induced nonsense dreams. They even forget simple stuff, like who is in which scene.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 24, 2016, 10:43:15 AM
Comic-con also gave us the Legion of the Super-Friends/Justice League trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIHH5-HVS9o
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on July 24, 2016, 11:46:27 AM
 snorebot!
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: monkey! on August 10, 2016, 07:25:01 AM
So, you faggots are bored of shitty superhero movies by now, right... Now you've given hundreds of dollars to feed the Hollywood PBN Save the Cat bullshit wash, rinse, repeat coffers?
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on August 10, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
So, you faggots are bored of shitty superhero movies by now, right... Now you've given hundreds of dollars to feed the Hollywood PBN Save the Cat bullshit wash, rinse, repeat coffers?

In the last 10 years of superhero movies, I've only paid for Dark Knight and Man of Steel.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: monkey! on August 11, 2016, 09:20:05 AM
My hero.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 06, 2016, 03:23:52 PM
Better than the actual movie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jlK3NPa0vo
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 27, 2017, 07:34:12 PM
Speaking of Dante's 7th Circle...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxixDgHUYw
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on March 28, 2017, 08:03:38 AM
Awful...
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 23, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
Justice League still looks like a disaster. I do like how DC is hanging everything on Wonder Woman after her movie made a ga-jllion dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrVcEndce9I
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 08, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
This still screams "hot mess" to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-DM9uBtVI
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on October 09, 2017, 09:57:56 AM
Well, they're all hot messes at this point, no?
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 09, 2020, 12:49:07 PM
I guess this is our DC movie thread?

Anyway, After Wolf of Wall Street, I Tonya, being the only watchable part of Suicide Squad, and Her Sharon Tate in OUATIH, Margot Robbie can pretty much do no wrong in my eyes.

That aside, I still haven't recovered from superhero overdose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3HbbzHK5Mc
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on January 10, 2020, 11:56:36 AM
Oh, yes. My Margot Robbie obsession runs very deep...
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 28, 2021, 04:57:31 PM
There's no way I'm watching Zack Snyder's four-hour Justice League cut so somebody is going to have to do it for me.
Title: Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
Post by: nacho on March 01, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
There's no way I'm watching Zack Snyder's four-hour Justice League cut so somebody is going to have to do it for me.

Lockdown Nacho will do it! I'm totally at the "it's just on in the background to keep me company" stage while I dance around like Buffalo Bill in his basement.