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Title: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2010, 02:40:58 PM
Last night, I finished the last major item on my slate cleaning list. I still have a bunch of little things to take care of as well as prep for Helena's 2011 show, but for the first time in a long time, I'm essentially open to do whatever the hell I want to.

My TV watching habits are as such: I have five more episodes of 'True Blood' to watch which Missus RC and I may marathon tonight. I have 'Walking Dead' to catch up on though the more I hear about it, the more it starts to feel like a chore. (Missus RC fears zombies and won't watch it with me which makes it doubly hard to sit down for. Crap is so much easier to digest when you're sharing the pain.)

One thing on the docket is to rewatch both seasons of Twin Peaks. Missus RC has never seen it and I haven't watched it since Bravo ran the whole series while I was in college. It's due for a re evaluation.

The other culture goal was been to watch all three seasons of Star Trek, The Original Series. I've only seen about half of the episodes. It ran in syndication when I was like fourteen, and I watched it fairly regularly. I wasn't obsessed with the show, but I always seemed to catch it. My memory is that I wanted it to be more like Star Wars and yet I never turned it off.

The Red Letter Media/Plinkett reviews have sort of reawakened my interest in Star Trek. I watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture a couple weeks ago and was struck by a) how much of it I'd forgotten and b) how much I really enjoyed it. Even more surprising was how much Missus RC liked it.

Anyway, we've both agreed to try to tackle TOS, despite each episode being a stand alone story rather than the continuity based format of modern TV. (I seem to remember a two-parter somewhere in there though, don't I?)

Nacho wants RC to return to the front page and do reviews of each episode a'la this dude:
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Torcom/Frontpage_Partial/~3/q2kC7OV2ur0/star-trek-re-watch-for-the-world-is-hollow-and-i-have-touched-the-sky (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Torcom/Frontpage_Partial/~3/q2kC7OV2ur0/star-trek-re-watch-for-the-world-is-hollow-and-i-have-touched-the-sky)

My writing time is precious these days. And the prospect of having time to explore different writing projects makes me wary of committing to a project  like that. (If I'm going to commit to a culture column, I'd rather work on my long gestating expansion of my Horror 101 pieces. )

I think what I'm going to do is more along the lines of the "suffering Through" threads Nacho has done with TNG, Stargate, etc: Little short blurbs about each episode. We'll see how it goes, and whether or not everybody deems it front page worthy.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2010, 03:20:15 PM
A Suffering Through thread is fine!  And it'll be fun.  I'm inspired to do it myself, now... But I think I'm still recovering from TNG.

There is one two-parter, yes -- The Menagerie. Which is more-or-less a clip show. Roddenberry was forever trying to air the unaired pilot with Captain Pike and no Shatner and bad uniforms and female uniforms that were actually pantsuits instead of just underwear. And big fuck-off phasers! So The Menagerie uses all the footage from The Cage, and the effect is like you're watching events from decades ago... It's also a big wow episode because you learn that Shatner is third or fourth to command an already old ship.

When starting Star Trek, I highly suggest you start with that unaired pilot. The Cage isn't on the box sets, so I'll see if I can steal it from somewhere. It's a weirdly good episode (much better than the very boring official pilot -- Where No Man Has Gone Before) and also fascinating to see the direction that the show was meant to take.

There are some very thin through-lines.  The occasional group of Klingons who mention past encounters, the recurring (twice) bad guy Harvey Mudd.

Hot spots along the way include Assignment: Earth and Gary Seven, who features prominently outside of the TV universe.  It was meant to be a jump-off for a spin-off series.  Ultimately, the Gary Seven storyline is unearthed and updated as one of the main plotlines in Enterprise -- the Temporal Cold War.  So now you'll see what that was supposed to be like in the hands of, you know, the master. Or whatever Roddenberry was.

Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2010, 03:23:21 PM
When starting Star Trek, I highly suggest you start with that unaired pilot. The Cage isn't on the box sets, so I'll see if I can steal it from somewhere. It's a weirdly good episode (much better than the very boring official pilot -- Where No Man Has Gone Before) and also fascinating to see the direction that the show was meant to take.


Definitely let me know if you find it.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2010, 03:25:14 PM
When starting Star Trek, I highly suggest you start with that unaired pilot. The Cage isn't on the box sets, so I'll see if I can steal it from somewhere. It's a weirdly good episode (much better than the very boring official pilot -- Where No Man Has Gone Before) and also fascinating to see the direction that the show was meant to take.


Definitely let me know if you find it.

I'll search tonight.  You'll see most of it in The Menagerie as flashbacks, so no worries if I come up dry.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2010, 03:28:26 PM
Hey!  I found it!  I'll dropbox it tonight.

This is dangerous... I'm 10 episodes away from finishing my Stargate marathon and now I'm downloading some uber collector's edition of The Cage...

I hate you RC.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
Do you hate me more that I'm not even likely to start my TOS marathon for at least a week and maybe not until X-Mas?
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2010, 03:32:10 PM
Do you hate me more that I'm not even likely to start my TOS marathon for at least a week and maybe not until X-Mas?

Yes!  Because now I'm all a-flutter.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
I'm going to buy season one with the next paycheck and pull it off my wishlist.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2010, 09:39:23 PM
Well, I hate to steal RC's thunder... But I managed to get my hands on some super fancy version of The Cage that's complete and predates the remastering they did a few years ago (where they cut some of Spock's more emotional scenes, changed the titles, and took away the quaint mid-60's charm  :sign4:  of the effects shots.)

I'd forgotten that Majel Barrett was a proto-Riker, and other little things that didn't see the light of day until TNG. I'd also forgotten how much of a fag Captain Pike was.  He calls his doctor buddy, then splays out on his bed in a seductive pose when he comes in.

Also -- ceiling shots! The Enterprise sets seem somehow more fleshed out and complicated, thanks mainly to low angle shots.

I also like how some technology is clunky and stupid (like the communicators and the phasers) but some is more advanced than in the series proper (such as Spock controlling the display with a wave of his hand). I hadn't seen that scene before! What a cool trick... Why not keep it for the series?  I mean, sure, we have the whole hand-controlled super screens on every show these days (and I have one in my pocket right now), but in the 60's? It's, like, wow...  
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on November 30, 2010, 09:44:05 PM
God... Pike's martini-fueled conversation with Dr. Boyce (extended in this version) is the same scene from Star Trek II on Kirk's birthday!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 01, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
I really want to go into detail about 'The Cage,' but I just had an extremely exhausting conversation with Missus RC about the time-space continum and how Star Trek '09 is not a prequel, but an alternate timeline that exists alongside the TOS/TNG/DS9/etc timeline.

Will riff on 'The Cage' tomorrow.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 01, 2010, 12:06:58 AM
I really want to go into detail about 'The Cage,' but I just had an extremely exhausting conversation with Missus RC about the time-space continum and how Star Trek '09 is not a prequel, but an alternate timeline that exists alongside the TOS/TNG/DS9/etc timeline.



There's, like, a five minute scene where they all pull up stools and directly address the camera explaining all that.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 01, 2010, 01:21:08 AM
I know.

Here's the deal: Missus RC doesn't really accept time travel, even fictional time travel. It pisses her off. She especially has major issues with alternate realities/timelines. Our 'Sarah Connor Chronicles' sojourn was cut short by that as much as the show sucking. (I've tried to explain that the Time Travel Paradox of 'Terminator' doesn't reflect true quantum physics and theoretical manipulation of time/space, but she's having none of it.)

Anyway, after watching 'the Cage' we got into a conversation about how Star Trek '09 related to TOS . . .  and now I have to sleep.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 01, 2010, 07:49:54 AM
Dude...don't watch Star Trek with her.  Jesus, like 20% of the episodes involve time travel. Hell, there's a whole time travel movie later on.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 01, 2010, 09:41:03 AM
Well, she told me that she'll just tune out if the time travel gets ridiculous. And really, if SCC is the standard then she'll be fine. After all, the time travel in Harry Potter she accepts as she did in that weird little Malcolm McDowell movie, Time After Time. There's other time travel stuff she enjoys too. It's just the alternate timeline stuff that makes her surly. (Her main problem is that there's another Missus RC in another dimension who's a blond-haired, meth addicted pole dancer.) My whole argument is just accept time travel  as fiction the same way she does magic and vampires in Harry Potter and True Blood respectively.

Anyway, off we go!

The Cage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cage_%28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29

The original pilot to Star Trek in which the only character from the Enterprise we know is Spock. The Enterprise, helmed by Captain Pike, receives an eighteen year old distress call and beams down to investigate. Once there they find the whole "crash party" is a telepathic illusion set up by  these big headed aliens who need a race of "durable" creatures to rebuild their civilization which was wiped out by war. They already have a swinging hot blond chippy who likes living in the illusion world and capture Pike to mate with her.  The Enterprise works to rescue him, but can't overcome the powerful illusions created by the telepathic aliens.

First thing that struck me: about five minutes in Pike is walking down the hallway in uniform and two kids in shorts and summer beach clothes walk past him looking like their headed down to a weiner roast with Dick Van Dyke. "Hey Daddy-o, let's head down to the malt shop in Engineering!" I think they were trying to show that it's a community, but knowing what we do about later Trek, it looks really silly.

Second, Nimoy looks so young! I was struck by how good a job Abrams did with the casting of Spock in the reboot. Quintos really does capture that young Nimoy vibe. The character is interesting too. They hadn't really developed Spock's Vulcan persona yet, so he actually has a wee bit of personality.

Nacho mentioned Majel Barrett as "Number One" a pre-Riker Riker. I was sort of interested in how that dynamic would have worked out on the show. She's set up at a possible love interest for the captain who was also a crew member.. They also seemed to set up this possible love triangle with her , Pike, and a poorly acting red-headed yeoman. In retrospect, it's probably good they jettisoned the idea and focused less on soap opera elements. (And haven't these soap opera elements ruined some great genre fare of late?) Still it's interesting to see.

The story is part of Trek canon, but the whole affair feels like an off-brand version of my favorite shampoo. It's kind of the same and yet it's totally different.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 01, 2010, 10:47:46 AM
Well, she told me that she'll just tune out if the time travel gets ridiculous. And really, if SCC is the standard then she'll be fine. After all, the time travel in Harry Potter she accepts as she did in that weird little Malcolm McDowell movie, Time After Time. There's other time travel stuff she enjoys too. It's just the alternate timeline stuff that makes her surly. (Her main problem is that there's another Missus RC in another dimension who's a blond-haired, meth addicted pole dancer.) My whole argument is just accept time travel  as fiction the same way she does magic and vampires in Harry Potter and True Blood respectively.


Oh, well, there's no alternate dimension stuff.  All the time travel in Star Trek is fairly simple -- slingshot around the sun/a god did it and they usually run into an agency of some sort (Gary Seven, the portal in City on the Edge of Forever) that's keeping them from fucking up too badly and, thus, pulling a Stargate.

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The Cage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cage_%28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29

The original pilot to Star Trek in which the only character from the Enterprise we know is Spock.

And "Number One"!  She went blonde and became the doe-eyed Nurse Chapel.

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First thing that struck me: about five minutes in Pike is walking down the hallway in uniform and two kids in shorts and summer beach clothes walk past him looking like their headed down to a weiner roast with Dick Van Dyke. "Hey Daddy-o, let's head down to the malt shop in Engineering!" I think they were trying to show that it's a community, but knowing what we do about later Trek, it looks really silly.

The civilian/floating city thing is later very present in TNG. It's things like that I found fascinating in The Cage -- it's more a pilot to TNG than TOS.

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Nacho mentioned Majel Barrett as "Number One" a pre-Riker Riker. I was sort of interested in how that dynamic would have worked out on the show. She's set up at a possible love interest for the captain who was also a crew member.. They also seemed to set up this possible love triangle with her , Pike, and a poorly acting red-headed yeoman. In retrospect, it's probably good they jettisoned the idea and focused less on soap opera elements. (And haven't these soap opera elements ruined some great genre fare of late?) Still it's interesting to see.


It wasn't jettisoned.  Red became Janice Rand, who was a frequent source of sexual tension/love interest for Kirk.  Uhura filled out the triangle.  It was dialed waaaay down, though.  The only time any of them acted on it was under the influence of something. 

They finally did dump the love thing at the end of the first season.  As you watch, you'll notice that Kirk fully steps into his playboy role in the second season but, for the most part, is flirting with Yeoman Rand and somewhat restrained (somewhat...) throughout the first season.

(The actress who played Rand was fired because she was always drunk and fucking up.)
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 01, 2010, 11:03:22 AM
Also, as you go into the first season, the change from Pike to Kirk is more than just casting someone more brash than Hunter.  Roddenberry was told that Hunter's sort of exhausted moodiness didn't fly, and they wanted "someone more like Horatio Hornblower." So Kirk comes in as Starfleet's youngest but most promising captain. Shatner was told that he should be in awe of his job and mission.

The change in Spock's character reflects the decision to make the captain more youthful, emotional, and unpredictable. The studios suggested that this young captain, who has only ever received field promotions in times of crisis (a la Hornblower), should have a "starkly logical" character as his sounding board.  An "older brother."

Kirk as a reckless youth is an underlying theme that isn't really fully explored (or addressed or resolved) until Star Trek II and, to a lesser degree, The Motion Picture.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 01, 2010, 11:23:28 AM
I'm looking at the box set, and they're set up in the original airing order and not the production order.  The second pilot (which suuuucks) was the third episode aired.

Not that it really matters, but here's more info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series_episodes#Season_1_.281966.E2.80.931967.29

There are little things where you'd notice, though.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_No_Man_Has_Gone_Before#Continuity

WNMHGB has always bothered me as an episode, because it's still kind of off, like The Cage.

I'll see if I can dig up the longer pilot version (which I haven't seen before).


Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 01, 2010, 11:35:16 AM
Kirk certainly makes for a more exciting protagonist.

I was shocked by the high quality of the writing. There's some of that 60s style of exposition that takes some adjusting to, but the storytelling and characterization is really well done.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 04, 2010, 08:10:59 PM
TOS Season One is out of stock on Amazon. I'm going to have to do some digging.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 05, 2010, 11:04:04 AM
TOS Season One is out of stock on Amazon. I'm going to have to do some digging.

Oh-ho!  Now's my chance to download it and feed it to you in the original production order.

Which...may take a few days...

You want me to do that? I can't download all three seasons because it's 30 gigs and I can't count that high.  Nor can my harddrive.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 05, 2010, 11:37:02 AM
Erm . . .Look around and see what you find, but also give me a chance to grab the set with all the extras too.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 05, 2010, 12:56:24 PM
Erm . . .Look around and see what you find, but also give me a chance to grab the set with all the extras too.

Oh, it's available.  I could have season on in about two or three days.  Just give me the word!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 05, 2010, 02:21:14 PM
Grab the first three and tell me what order to wsatch them. I want the continuity order, not the air date order.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 05, 2010, 02:36:34 PM
Right!  I'll drop box them in production order, so no worries. Um...might not be down till tomorrow night.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 07, 2010, 11:26:49 AM
Where No Man Has Gone Before

Star Trek Axiom #1 - When the Vulcan says someone has to die, even your old buddy from the academy, forget the moral quandary. Just kill him.

The Enterprise picks up a 200 year old distress call from the SS Valiant and goes to investigate. They beam aboard the ship's Black Box which looks like an early prototype of Robby the Robot, and find out the Valiant's captain self-destructed the ship. Seems that ESP sensitive crew members went bonkers after flying into a pink energy field . . . the same energy field the Enterprise is flying into right now!

The pink energy field "attacks" the Enterprise, killing and injuring very specific crew members. Sure enough, the ship's most ESP sensitive crew member, Gary Mitchell who is Kirk's old pal from the academy, develops silvery eyes, can read novels in minutes, and starts fucking with the machines in sick bay and shooting lightning from his fingers. The ship's psychiatrist, Deanna Troi, I mean Elizabeth Dehner, is also an ESPy. And Kirk, in not one of his brighter moments, assigns her to look after Gary.

But he's got bigger problems to worry about. The Enterprise's warp engine was damaged, so they beam down to the nearest Federation outpost to gather supplies. AND since Gary has started to turn, I don't know, totally evil, Spock suggests they maroon him on this planet as well after Kirk balks at outright killing his old frat buddy. Spock orders a phaser rifle beamed down to the planet just in case.

Once down there, Gary goes totally demi-god on Kirk and friends then escapes. Dehner who has now also developed the silvery eyes of the psycho ESPy joins him as they build this weird garden of Eden. Kirk shows up, speechifies about how men don't have the wisdom to handle the power of God, then lays a good old fashioned James T Kirk whoop-ass on Gary, encasing him in a stone tomb. (Missus RC's response, "Gee, I wonder if he'll be back.") Deanna Troi dies, thereby TOTALLY fucking up the TNG timeline.  Wait, it was Dehner who died. Scratch that last part.

The writing is indeed pretty clumsy yet there's this nice creepy vibe to all the sick bay scenes between Gary, Kirk, and Dehner.  Maybe it was just the eeire silver contact lenses.

We also start to get some of our regular crew members. Mr. Scott! Sulu! Though Sulu isn't the helmsman yet. In fact, he's just your typical Asian stereotype.

Kirk: "What does the Math say? Mr. Sulu?"

Sulu: "What does the Math say, Captain? Well, here let me stop taking pictures of this banzai tree for a second, take off off my over sized glasses, and stop eating this cat. Then I'll tell you what the math says, you stupid American."

Apparently, the bridge set was complete when they shot this episode, but for some reason the helmsman and ensign seats (from here on referred to as the Sulu and Chekov seats) are reversed. No Uhura or Bones yet either. The doctor is still some old guy with no personality.

Roddenberry's favorite plotline of finding God at the end of the universe is introduced here. It's something he always seems to comes back to. Whatever.

But Spock is Spock, Kirk is Kirk, and it feels far more like Star Trek than "The Cage."
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 07, 2010, 12:27:31 PM
I'm already loving this thread!

So Corbomite Maneuver will finally be full-on Trek. Still a few pilot holdovers, but it'll be familiar territory.  Looking forward to your take!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 07, 2010, 01:12:44 PM
You mean the red shirt who dies will actually be wearing a red shirt?
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 07, 2010, 01:23:17 PM
You mean the red shirt who dies will actually be wearing a red shirt?

Well, red shirts do make their first appearance. But the red shirt of death thing doesn't really take hold until they decide which colors are what.  (You know you're in full-on red shirt territory once Uhura changes to red. As long as she's gold, it's anything goes!)
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 07, 2010, 01:25:36 PM
And no Chekhov until season two, correct?
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 07, 2010, 01:32:20 PM
And no Chekhov until season two, correct?

That's right.  So you get a weird season where there's always a wannabe redshirt in the navigator's chair (like Gary Mitchell).

And of course this exists.  There are others, but I love this one because you get a note about Redshirt deaths in WNMHGB and it ends with a comic line from McCoy.

Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 07, 2010, 06:49:48 PM
It also struck me today that Gary Mitchell would have been a fantastic villain to bring back at some point. Though "Wrath of Gary" would have been a pretty shitty subtitle.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 07, 2010, 06:54:52 PM
It also struck me today that Gary Mitchell would have been a fantastic villain to bring back at some point. Though "Wrath of Gary" would have been a pretty shitty subtitle.

You left me marooned at the lithium cracking plant for 15 years, Admiral Kirk! On the plus side, I really know how that place works. So, you know, if you guys are having engine trouble...
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 07, 2010, 07:32:40 PM
Okay, Okay. Maybe not.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 07, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
Also, for god's sake, do you have anything to read, Jim?
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 08, 2010, 12:11:09 AM
The Carbomite Maneuver

While mapping stars, the Enterprise runs into a giant, glowing Rubik's Cube they can't escape from. Finally, they do the American thing and blast it out of the sky. Continuing forward, they then run into a glowing ball of white Christams lights a mile long. It's pilot is an alien named Balok that looks like a plastic dummy who tells them that the Rubik's Cube was boundary marker. Since they passed the boundary marker they're going to die in "ten Earth units known as minutes."

After a tense back and forth and an argument with Bones, Kirk bluffs Balok, telling him the Enterprise is equipped with "Carbomite" that if he destroys the Enterprise, the Carbomite will destroy Balok's ship as well. After a weird chase where they almost melt down the Enterprise's engine, Balok then invites Kirk an co. aboard his ship. Turns out he looks like a wax dummy because he IS a wax dummy. The real Balok is actually a child with the voice of a grown man. Kind of like Rick Astley, but different.

The writing was a little sloppy. We have a lot of talk about Bailey the red shirt. (He's wearing yellow, but who cares.) Bones thinks  Kirk promoted him to navigator/ensign/Chekov-chair too quick. Somebody had to replace "The Wrath of Gary," right? I don't know what you had to do to get promoted in the early days of the Enterprise, but Bailey is about as competent as dryer lint. He panics at the slightest hiccup then gets all edgy with Spock when he berates Bailey for panicking. The he freezes up when it's time to fire phasers at the Rubik's cube after screaming at Kirk to use phasers against it when Kirk wanted a more measured approach. Fuck, Sulu ends up reaching over and doing his job half the time.

Anyway with three minutes left before they all die, Bones shows up to berate Kirk about Bailey. I mean talk about bad timing! Yes, it ultimately leads to Kirk's having the idea to bluff Balok, but that's the best plot device the writer's could think of?

Sulu: "Three minutes until we all die, Captain."

Bones: "Yeah, so about Bailey. I mean, he's really not working out. I'm going to have to log this in with the Federation"

Kirk: "These are your priorities? Does that mean if I ever get impaled by a harpoon, you're going to treat my athlete's foot first, you fucking quack?"

Bones: "I'm turning in a report, Jim. And I don't bluff."

Kirk: "Bones, there are more important-- Wait a minute. BLUFF!"

Star Trek Writers: "We're going to win an Emmy!"

Look for: Shirtless Kirk, Uhura in yellow saying about three lines, Spock says "fascinating," Sulu smouldering at the camera in a way that should surprise nobody he came out of the closet, young Jason Voorhees as Balok.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 08, 2010, 12:48:59 AM
Mudd's Women

The Enterprise comes upon a small, damaged space freighter. Realizing it's stolen, they pursue it into an asteroid field where it suffers critical damage. Before the ship is destroyed, Kirk orders the crew beamed aboard. The ship's captain is Harcourt Mudd (initially giving a fake name) a petty smuggler with a long Federation rap sheet. His "crew" as it were are three smoking hot ladies in 60s era evening gowns. Groovy baby!

The male members of the Enterprise crew go insane over these ladies, so much so that Kirk asks Spock if he thinks they're aliens. (Because he's a Vulcan, Spock is immune to the ladies' charm. Sulu is also unaffected for reasons nobody quite fully grasped in the 60s.) Bones gets weird medical readings on his health monitor thingy from one, and Scotty gets weird readings in his pants from another.

The third gets all weepy on Kirk after sneaking into the Captain's quarters. Let me tell you, nothing kills a boner quicker than a crying girl. "What?! You're crying? Come on, I'm trying to bust a nut here! Great, you love me. You're crying because you're happy? WTF?!"

I'm sorry. Did I go off topic?

We soon discover that these three fine-assed women are actually "GASP" women in their 30s with no make-up!!! Without taking these weird crystal pills, they're supposed to be ugly hags, but I don't think I'd kick any of them out of bed as long as they chilled out with the fucking crying. Mudd it seems is adding "Supafly Pimp" to his already lengthy resume. It turns out these ladies are to be the wives of settlers on some backwater planet.

HOWEVER, the Enterprise was damaged rescuing Mudd and his ladies, and they're down to one "lithium" crystal. Thankfully, a lithium mine manned by only three dudes is only two days away. What do you think is going to happen?

(A side note, those three guys had been at that mine for "years" with no women. I'm taking odds that somebody fucked somebody else in the ass during that time. . . . I got off topic again didn't I?)

So Mudd calls ahead and tells the miner he's got three women for him. Once they're in orbit around the planet, the head miner is beamed aboard and basically gives Kirk an ultimatum: "Give us the women or no lithium crystals for you." Kirk is like "fuck off," but since the Enterprise is hours away from running out of power and falling out of orbit to a fiery death, he ends up being forced to let Mudd and the ladies go down to the planet.

Once down there, the crying lady runs into a dust storm. One of the miners follow. They spend the night in some hide out. The next morning, as her beauty fades the miner doesn't want her. Kirk and Mudd show up, and give her the crystal pills. She's beautiful again. The kicker is that Kirk gave her a placebo. See? Her beauty came from within.  Brings tears to my eyes. (There goes my boner.) The miners give them the lithium crystals. Roll credits.

I actually kind of liked this episode quite a bit. Does that make you happy? It does? Good, can we--

NO! Stop crying!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 08, 2010, 09:03:52 AM
Missus RC update:

Missus RC has been watching these episodes with me on a trial basis. She quite enjoyed The Cage, but was little put off by Where No Man Has Gone Before.  She actively disliked the Carbomite Maneuver stating, "If these don't start getting better, you're going to be on your own watching these." Who knew she'd be a Pike fan? Mudd's Women seemed to satisfy her, and I'm happy there's a level of higher quality (or at least more well known) shows coming up.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 08, 2010, 09:06:49 AM
I hate all the Mudd episodes. But, yes, you have some good ones for tonight.  Well, except the Man Trap. I neeed ssaaaalttt...!!!  WOAH!  SCARY!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 08, 2010, 02:48:54 PM
Haha!  Rewatching The Enemy Within now -- where Kirk is cloned by a transporter accident so there's good Kirk and bad Kirk (it's also the first episode where Kirk, um, Kirks out.)

Evil Kirk's first line, stumbling into sick bay, is "Saurian Brandy!" He barks the order at a perplexed McCoy, then does this emo wall-leaning pose.

And I plan to do exactly that on Friday night when I walk into RC's house.

"I SAID GIVE ME THE BRANDY!"  (McCoy silently complies, and Kirk stalks out with this giant ornate bottle that's just sitting there in a cabinet in sick bay.)
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 08, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
See I can't watch without the Missus otherwise I'd watch all three episodes you put up for me this afternoon.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 08, 2010, 03:10:34 PM
See I can't watch without the Missus otherwise I'd watch all three episodes you put up for me this afternoon.

Then, when she got home, you'd scream at her to give you brandy and beat her up.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 09, 2010, 09:53:09 AM
The Enemy Within

Hands down this is the best overall episode I've watched so far.

Kirk, Sulu, and the red shirts are down on this rocky planet that looks very familiar to all the other rocky planets they've been on. They're collecting specimens which include a shaggy terrier dog with a unicorn horn. Red Shirt #3452-F6 aka Fisher falls down, cuts his hand open,  and gets some weird yellow ore on his clothes. Kirk has him beamed back to the Enterprise, only Scotty has trouble getting him through the transporter.

(It was at this point Missus RC blurted out, "If they ever invent a transporter, I'm not getting in it because the damned thing never works!")

Kirk follows shortly after, but comes through all dizzy. Scotty helps him to his quarters and while the transporter room is empty another Kirk beams through! This Kirk is all shifty-eyed like he just shoplifted something from Macy's and is trying to get past the security guard.

Over is sick bay, Bones is finishing up with Fisher the Red Shirt. Shoplifter Kirk comes in and demands "Saurian Brandy" as if he's been hitting the bottle since about 8am. Bones, thoroughly confused hesitate and almost gets a Wino James T. Kirk whoop ass laid on him. He gives him the bottle.

At the behest of Bones, Spock goes to see the real Kirk who's been napping through all this and tells him he's being a dick. Kirk tells Spock that  Bones is playing a trick on him. At this point, Scotty calls them to the transporter room and shows them two unicorn horn dogs. One is docile. The other is sort of, I don't know, totally evil.

Scotty shuts down the transporter to fix it which REALLY sucks for Sulu and the Red Shirts. As it turns nightfall, the temperature on this familiar looking rocky planet drops to 175 degrees below zero.

Meanwhile, Wino Kirk heads over to Yeoman Rand's room, lays down some trash talk about "their true feeling for each other" then attempts to rape her. Rand is either sober or lucky enough to fend him off and scratch his face. Aha! Now we can tell Date Rape Kirk from the REAL Kirk! Too bad Date Rape Kirk beats the shit out Red Shirt the Fisher and steals his phaser.

Speaking of the real Kirk, he's having trouble thinking straight, making decisions, and being anything more than a stoned whiner.  Having figured out there's an imposter on board, Spock gets the crew looking for him. Eventually, they corner Armed & Dangerous Kirk in Engineering and after a tense back and forth with real Kirk: Vulcan Neck Pinch! Who's a badass mutha-Vulcan?

Sulu is still freezing his ass off despite using his phaser to heat up rocks  (which I thought was a pretty cool idea) and man-bagging with the Red shirts.

Sulu: "We have to stay close to keep warm! You,  put your hands down my pants."

Red Shirt #8765-R8: "What?"

Sulu: "It'll keep your warm. My phaser will warm up your rocks, if you know what I mean."

Real Kirk is deteriorating rapidly. Turns out that the transporter accident didn't create a new Kirk. It split Kirk into two beings. One who is Rational, intelligent, yet indecisive. The other is a shoplifting, drunken, weapon carrying, date rapist. Talk about your dark side. They have to merge them back together to form Devestator, the most powerful Decepticon! Only they test it with the dogs which while coming back through remerged also come back stone dead.

It's at this point, Bones first utters his trademark line, "He's dead, Jim."

Kirk has a choice to make. Take a chance on dying or take more time to do it right and Sulu and the Red shirts freeze to death in man bag ecstasy. He's obviously not thinking straight because he decides to release Evil Kirk who over powers him and scratches his face. Oh no! Now we can't tell them apart.

Evil Kirk goes to the bridge and orders them to leave Sulu and the Red Shirts behind. Then Spock and Bones show up with Real Kirk OR IS IT!?!?!?!? The Kirks confront each other. Evil Kirk has a meltdown, Good Kirk is stoned. They realize they need each other. Back to the transporter room and the Twilight and Let the Right One In threads are merged!!! Even though they seem completely different, they can't exist without each other!

Sulu and the Popsicles are saved. Kirk accepts his duality. Saurian Brandy for everyone. (Except Yeoman Rand. Drunk bitch.)
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 09, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
Rand was never sober! Which is probably why she goes right to slutty when evil Kirk fades out of the shadows of her bedroom.  "Oh!  Captain!" (unsurprised) "I didn't see you there lurking in the bedroom of my private quarters!" (tee-hee)

Don't you love how Fisher is everywhere?  What, did he check into sick bay three times that day?  What's his medical chart look like?  "Fell off a cliff, assault and battery head trauma, 13 unknown diseases, attacked by rabid cat..."
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 09, 2010, 10:20:23 PM
This is great RC!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 09, 2010, 10:23:43 PM
Thanks, Reggie. I'm looking at it as my personal challenge to keep up with the shows and the thread.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 09, 2010, 10:26:57 PM
Thanks, Reggie. I'm looking at it as my personal challenge to keep up with the shows and the thread.

 I look forward to the mid-second season posts where you'll be talking like Shatner.  And...then...Uhura leans in...for a kiss!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 21, 2010, 06:23:45 PM
Back on the Trek train tonight!

I'm going to have to go back and cover the episodes Nacho and drunkenly marathoned two weeks ago. For now, I think I'm just going to pick up reporting on the ones I watch tonight.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2010, 08:40:10 PM
Oh!  Right... You downloaded everything from Dropbox, right? Miri, Dagger of the Mind, Conscience of the King, and Court Martial? I'll get some more up if so.  We're almost done with season one!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 22, 2010, 09:24:32 AM
Missed the Trek train. Some friends stopped by and I drank Magic Hat all night.

Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 22, 2010, 10:36:07 AM
Missed the Trek train. Some friends stopped by and I drank Magic Hat all night.



Is that like me?  Some "friends" stopped by and I drank all night...  (read as: I sat in the bathtub, fully clothed, and drank brandy until I vomited blood all over a photograph of Angelina Jolie from Pushing Tin.)
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 23, 2010, 02:09:34 PM
You downloaded everything from Dropbox, right? Miri, Dagger of the Mind, Conscience of the King, and Court Martial?

Miri is the only one I don't seem to have.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 26, 2010, 09:20:53 PM
(Diclaimer/Confession: I've watched quite a few episodes, but haven't kept up with the recaps very well. Oh, and I've given up following any kind of order.)

The Squire of Gothos

This episode is a turd. Some matter controlling being called Trelane kidnaps/teleports Kirk and Sulu off the enterprise to a supposedly inhospitable planet where he's created a little bubble that looks like an 18th century mansion. I assume that's the set they could rent that week.

Anyway, he says he's been spying on Earth through a telescope, but since Earth is 900 light years away, he's seeing events from 900 years ago. Bones and crew come down for the rescue. Trelane is a fop and demands they all "pip, pip, cheerio, stay for tea." The crew escapes. Then they don't. Then when Kirk is about to die, Trelane's mommy and daddy show up to spank him. Turns out he's the child of two even more powerful beings. Thanks for babysitting, Captain Kirk. Sorry about the mix up.

Easily the worst episode I've watched to date.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 27, 2010, 10:38:55 AM
The souring turn has begun! Just wait till Devil in the Dark when they all have to fight a blanket.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 27, 2010, 11:16:59 AM
Well, it's the first real stinker so I'm not worried. Hell, the X-Files had a 50/50 ratio between gold and crap and I watched way more of those than I should have. As long as there's more good than bad, I'm okay with a turd every once in awhile.

We watched 'Dagger of the Mind' to wash the taste of Gothos out our mouth. I'll riff later.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 29, 2010, 11:41:09 AM
I wrote an article entitled "In Defense of Star Trek 5" for the new 2011 Cult Culture section in something of a drunken frenzy over the holiday... Just now finished transcribing it and it's 5000 words!

But...it barely makes sense.  So it's probably going to end up around the 2500 word mark.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 29, 2010, 11:53:07 AM
That's funny. And awesome.

I'm so backlogged on what I've watched yet haven't written about. I'll get to it though.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 31, 2010, 01:15:16 PM
The Man Trap

Star Trek Axiom #2 - If your ex-lover has been doing research on some backwater planet and no one's talked to them for a few years, kill them on sight because, look,  they're already dead and have been transformed into some kind of alien, android, etc. Yeah, I know. You used to love them. Life sucks.

So, Kirk, McCoy, and Red Shirt #57-T64 go down to do some routine medical exams on an archeologist and his wife, who is McCoy's old flame from . . . somewhere ten years before. The episode tips it's hand almost immediately by showing that Bones sees her exactly as she was ten years ago, Kirk sees her as a grey haired lady, and Red Shirt Darnell sees her as a super hot blond swinging 60s Sally. She's immediately starts tripping on how they're low on salt tablets. The she heads outside to go fetch her husband.  Darnell follows her. Exeunt the Red Shirt.

Her husband, Professor Crater, shows up and is pretty pissed off about the examination claiming that he and his wife just need salt tablets. It's at this point they find Darnell the Red Shirt dead with some kind of space herpes on his face. Nancy says she found him like that, dead with a plant in his mouth. The conclusion being that Darnell went trolling from some 'shrooms and got a bad batch. Know your 'shrooms, man. Know your 'shrooms.

Only Spock analyses the plant and says Darnell shouldn't have space herpes. Plus, all the salt has been drained from his body. Have I mentioned salt three times? I think I have.

Meanwhile "Nancy" kills another Red Shirt and then morphs into him. While Kirk and Spock stay on the planet, Nancy the fake Red Shirt goes aboard the Enterprise and starts roaming the halls. Say, there's Yeoman Rand with a plate of food. And a salt shaker! Let's follow her. Wait, here's Lt. Uhura. Let's, um, shapeshift into a black crew member and start probing her memories and talking about Africa. Then while McCoy is sleeping, let's shapeshift into McCoy and head to the bridge. What? This shit's not making any sense at all? Just go with it man. I know my 'shrooms. You're okay.

Back in the planet, Professor Crater admits to Kirk and Spock that Nancy's been dead for a year, killed by the shapeshifting creature now aboard the Enterprise. Really? You didn't think that was worth mentioning earlier? Oh, you love her. I see. Um, see Star Trek Axiom #2, you asshole.

Kirk, Spock, and Crater beam aboard the ship and go to see McCoy. Only McCoy isn't McCoy! (Now that I think about it, nobody on this show is ever who you think they are.) Anyway, "McCoy" suggests they deal with the creature peacefully. Kirk is like "Fuck that noise," and tells Crater to help them find out who the creature is disguised as. Crater is like "Fuck that noise," and Kirk orders him to sick bay for a little dose of truth serum. In sick bay, the creature freaks out, kills Crater and injures Spock. (Though doesn't kill him because he's a Vulcan and has no salt in his body.)

The creature turns back into Nancy, and goes to see the real McCoy who's been sleeping through all this. (The soundproofing in the Enterprise walls must be AMAZING.) Kirk shows up to kill the creature. McCoy stops him and takes his phaser because he thinks Nancy is still Nancy. Kirk is like, "Shoot her, you dumb mother fucker! Remember Star Trek Axiom #2!" After Spock shows up and gets a beat down, McCoy realizes what everyone else did in the first five minutes of the episode and shoots Nancy who reverts to her true form; a grey haired yeti with a toilet plunger for a mouth and suction cups from fingers. (So THAT is where the space herpes came from.)

See, Bones? Star Trek Axiom #2. Got it? Good. Now, let's go make sure Nurse Chapel gets it before we watch What Are Little Girls Made Of?
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 31, 2010, 03:35:40 PM
LOL at Man Trap.  I hate that episode.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 31, 2010, 04:11:46 PM
Is that where the phrase "The Real McCoy" comes from?
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 31, 2010, 04:19:36 PM
Is that a joke?  I haven't seen the episode in about 15 years, so I don't remember all the particulars.

(But, if it's not, the phrase dates back to the 19th C.)
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 31, 2010, 05:48:17 PM
I didn't actively hate "The Man Trap." (Though Missus RC did. It made her bad episode list which also includes "The Carbomite Maneuver.) However, the whole plot device was handled way better in "What Are Little Girls Made Of."
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on December 31, 2010, 05:50:16 PM
I'd consider Man Trap one of the worst episodes.  Though the worst episode is Devil in the Dark... However, it earns that because it's a thin piece of shit and it's been rehashed in every sci-fi show since the 60's so, you know, 50 years later, I want to go back in time and murder whoever first used that storyline.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 31, 2010, 09:20:48 PM
I thought "Squire of Gothos" was a way bigger turd than "Man Trap."

(Note: This is the nerdiest New Years Eve discussion ever.)
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on January 04, 2011, 05:57:59 PM
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 18, 2011, 02:43:59 PM
Oh ho! Get me this once it airs.

http://www.pbs.org/opb/pioneersoftelevision/pioneering-programs/science-fiction/
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on January 18, 2011, 07:41:02 PM
Oh ho! Get me this once it airs.

http://www.pbs.org/opb/pioneersoftelevision/pioneering-programs/science-fiction/

I'm limited to what a small group of niche pirates feels is worthy to post, but if I see it I'll grab it.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on January 24, 2011, 11:24:11 AM
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: Cassander on February 04, 2011, 02:18:55 PM
I love how the Sci Fi list is taking over all aspects of my life.  So now is the time to finally bite the bullet and watch the first three Trek movies, which I've never seen, as well as Space Seed.  All in the hopper now. 
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on February 04, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Aha!  Good, because you'll have to be well armed to handle my insane defense of The Motion Picture when Wrath of Khan and even Search for Spock are far superior.

Watch Space Seed in between TMP and WoK. The uniforms/acting/hokeyness in TMP will have you ready for an hour of Adventures in Polyester before you shift wildly into oncoming traffic with WoK.


Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: Cassander on February 04, 2011, 05:20:13 PM
I was actually planning to do the reverse since I haven't seen an episode of TOS since i was a freshman in high school then guage the jump to the big screen, but your method is tempting as well.  Hmm.

also interesting is the fact that Plinkett made TMP sound like some crazy long thing when it's really just 2 hours. 
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on February 05, 2011, 01:38:35 AM
TMP is a weird journey, man. Yeah, it's a short movie.  It's boring. It has shit that makes you go, huh? But... Yeah, watch it. Watch it with the whole franchise in mind.  It's the last Star Trek ever filmed. Everything after is a different beast.  And you'll see that when you watch the first three movies.  WoK and SfS are, like, huh? TMP tried to capture the original series.

That said, Space Seed somehow transcends the original series.  It is through and through the formula, but...there's something there. You can see why the WoK folks sat down and thought, woah, this is what we're going to work with...
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: Cassander on February 05, 2011, 09:44:28 PM
Actually, I felt really displeased by "Space Seed," which I decided to watch first.  Of course there are the glaring things like why is the whole ship rigged with anasthesia gas?  why do kirk and pals consistently play right into Khan's hands just to show that they're more noble?  how the hell does Kirk fool Khan and beat the shit out of him if he really is 5 times stronger?  but those are just silly cherry picking questions.

the main problem I had is that Khan's motives don't make sense at any point.  If he and the other supermen were dictators and just evil and want to conquer just for conquering's sake, as is first implied, then why leave earth?  Where were they headed?  Next, if Khan and the others were smart enough to be able to control entire quadrants of the Earth, wouldn't he have more sense than to just comandeering a starship and invading the nearest planet?  Wouldn't he be interested in seeing how the whole Federation worked and whether he could control it?  I think he does say something about conquering the universe instead of just a world or something, but he should know he's not going to get far at all vs. a superior force, right? 

THEN he wants just one more person to be on his side, as if one of the crew could possibly help him with all the training he'd need to run the Enterprise.  This sets up a nice little morality crisis for the crew, but doesn't do much else.  But, it doesn't matter, because after being beaten into submission by Kirk just once, Khan is ready to throw in the towel.  But, hey, it's cool cause Kirk decides to let this madman loose just because "reorienting them" would be a shame or a waste.  Huh?  So let's let them all breed amongst themselves into even stronger humans who are going to be even more jealous of what they don't have...and Khan seems fine with this too.  Whatever, man, I just want to be in charge no matter what. 

There are no real dilemmas here, and Khan may look like a more complicated villain than some other TOS baddies (based on what RC has been saying), but overall I found the whole thing a set-up to make Kirk and the crew look like Big Boys because we know right from wrong.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2011, 01:47:38 AM
I thought Space Seed explained why he left Earth?  Maybe it's in WoK.  The superhumans lost the Eugenics Wars and were destroyed.  Khan and his cadre went missing and fled Earth in the Botany Bay. Which, yes, doesn't really make sense because there was nowhere to go. But that fact is retconned -- First Contact coming over a hundred years after the Eugenics Wars isn't canon till TNG. There's talk of early space travel and apparent destinations for folks in the first season of TOS, so, if you've watched the whole season up to Space Seed, it's implied that there were tenuous little colonies to go to.

And he read the ship's library while in the sick bay, so presumably he did know how the Federation worked.

Overall, though, you're working within the confines of a very strict, very predictable formula.  All the flaws you point out are copy-paste into every Star Trek script from 1966 to 2005. Hell, Space Seed's out of the first season... they hadn't even settled on which uniforms were which at that point, let alone work out the concept that there's a big fleet out there and a very central federation running it all and juggling hundreds of planets and two tense DMZ's. All aspects mentioned almost in passing till 1979 when the budgets and the actual storytelling ability in the genre are able to deal with that sort of thing.

Now, taken alone, Space Seed is just another episode.  Easily one of the best, but still hokey 60's sci-fi. Why I encourage people to pair it with WoK is to see how the modern day studios took that formula -- and the best villain from TOS -- and turned it into an awesome action romp in space. The Khan from the movie and his little team are very different beasts on the big screen. As is the very nature of the conflict (a submarine battle between two wily captains, no clumsy fight scenes required). The true greatness of WoK is that Kirk and Khan never see each other physically, and only face each other once for a few minutes over a viewscreen. Because, hey, you're right -- they're superhumans. Nobody could win against them in a fight. And they'll never give up. In fact, all of your complaints are touched on -- right down to why Khan sees the trees and not the forest.
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: Cassander on February 20, 2011, 09:56:17 PM
Okay, so I finished WoK tonight after abandoning it in the middle about a week or two ago and claiming in a text to Nacho that it "sucked."  Now I've seen the whole thing and can state that the movie doesn't suck, really, but there's a lot that has to be overlooked.  One, for me, is Montalban himself trying to put the "b" in "subtle."  He makes Shatner look understated.  Actually, Shatner is kind of understated in this one.  Not a bad performance, but, jeez.  Khan is just a terrible bad guy, in my opinion.  His backstory conflicts with how he actually plays out, and his blind hatred for Kirk just seems to ring hollow.  What we really needed was a good little vignette about how much he suffered on the planet, something to make him look like a badass with a chip on his shoulder instead of a mad freak with a unilateral focus on revenge.  A lot of stuff I've read brings up Ahab, but I feel like it's a pretty grainy facscimile.

The Hunt for red october Enterprise v. Reliant stuff is pretty cool but as a result McCoy and Uhura are downgraded a great deal.  I for one love seeing McCoy in there a lot no matter the situation, and I don't feel like he got a lot of stuff to do in this one.  The evolution of Kirk from a monster-wrangling swinging dick to a rough-around-the-edges old sea dog with family issues is great, but his son David seems like a fresh graduate from the Mark Hamill School of Acting and Being Annoying. 

Overall I really understand the significance of this movie in the Trek franchise history...they might've been one bad sequel away from an abandoned franchise, no?...but just because it's the best of a weird bunch doesn't make it a great movie. 

ah, well.  Onto Search for Spock in a week or so.  Watching all these franchise things in a row over the past few weeks actually has me chafing.  I'm getting a little worn down, I think.  Thank god for Jason Statham movies and Timothy Olyphant TV shows to break up the monotony!
Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on February 21, 2011, 04:24:59 AM
Search for Spock takes your "McCoy had nothing to do in the last movie" to heart.

Ultimately, Star Trek 2 didn't make my top 20 list for a variation of your issues.  It doesn't suck (you heathen -- how dare you!)  but it is over the top.
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Post by: Cassander on July 08, 2011, 12:27:16 PM
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Title: Re: RC Boldly Goes - Star Trek TOS
Post by: nacho on July 08, 2011, 12:39:40 PM
I'll just watch that for three hours then go on a shotgun rampage.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 22, 2012, 04:29:26 PM
Speaking of Amazon...

http://normanspinradatlarge.blogspot.com/2012/02/star-trek-he-walked-among-us-norman.html (http://normanspinradatlarge.blogspot.com/2012/02/star-trek-he-walked-among-us-norman.html)

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STAR TREK--He Walked Among US--NORMAN SPINRAD'S LONG-LOST UNPRODUCED CLASSIC STAR TREK SCREENPLAY
This screenplay was commissioned by Gene Roddenberry as a vehicle for Milton Berle as a serious actor and he also sent me to an overgrown backlot village set he wanted to to try to write into the script too.


It was written in 1967 and lost for 45 years.

This original version was rewritten into an unfunny comedy by the line producer Gene Coon apparently unaware that Uncle Miltie was also a serious dramatic actor and a good one. It t was so bad that I complained to Roddenberry.

"This is so lousy, Gene, that you should kill it!" I told him. "You can't, you shouldn't, shoot this thing! Read it and weep!"

Gene did, and he agreed with me. I killed my second Star Trek, which, down through the years has cost me tens of thousands of dollars in lost residuals.

I thought the text of my original version--written on a typewriter!--was lost forever until recently a fan asked me to autograph a faded copy he had bought somewhere. I did, and in return he sent me a pdf off a scan, and that's what I've put on Amazon, not a great copy maybe, but the only one that exists or probably can exist:STAR TREK--He Walked Among Us screenplay on Amazon
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Post by: RottingCorpse on May 18, 2012, 04:19:41 PM
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Engineer: Star Trek’s Enterprise ship could be built in 20 years at a cost of $1 trillion

Whether you're a Trekkie or not, you have to admit that there's some sense of wonder toexploring the stars and trying to find life on distant planets. Of course, the U.S.S. Enterprise is a fictional ship, but have you ever put in the thought as to what it would take to actually build it, and when we could get it done if we really put in the effort? The man behind the well-researched site buildtheenterprise.org has, and he's determined that a fully functional Enterprise is only 20 years away if we put in the effort.

Created by a systems and electrical engineer with 30 years' experience, the BuildTheEnterprise site sets out a very specific timeline for the research and construction of such a massive space-related undertaking. The first nine years are dedicated to research, component testing, and drawing up a number of possible blueprints. The following 11 years are dedicated to development, where components will be manufactured and launched into space for assembly.

On year 20, the ship would be ready for a "moon fly by" with full crew and supplies. The plan may seem overly ambitious, but consider that we're already using a number of gadgets that were all but predicted by the Star Trek television series.

The estimated cost of building the Enterprise: about $50 billion a year for the next 20 years — $1 trillion in total. That sounds like a lot of money (because it is), but considering that the United States spent nearly that much on the controversial Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to bail out banks in 2008, putting a trillion towards making Star Trek a reality suddenly doesn't seem as ludicrous. Yeah, it's still pretty ludicrous, but in a reallycool way.

Asides from the benefits of exploring space, the creator of BuildTheEnterprise believes that the mammoth project would have benefits here on Earth as well. "Above all else — the Enterprise will inspire us," explains the creator. "And some of those inspired by this undertaking will surely be American young people — many of whom will likely become motivated to pursue careers as scientists and engineers." You know, so long as creating a warp drive doesn't wipe out all life in the known universe, as predicted.
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Post by: nacho on May 18, 2012, 05:58:50 PM
Oh, man... Nice.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 08, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
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Could We Build 'Star Trek's' Starship Enterprise?

Since its first appearance on the original "Star Trek" series in 1966, the starship Enterprise has become a symbol for space travel. Recently, an anonymous engineerclaimed that an approximation of this iconic ship could be built in the next two decades. But just how close is mankind to zipping through the stars at warp speed?

On the website BuildTheEnterprise.org, a self-proclaimed engineer who identifies himself only as "BTE-Dan" suggests that a working facsimile of the iconic ship could be built and launched over the next 20 to 30 years. The ship would require a few modifications, but would look a great deal like Captain Kirk's famous ship.

Built in space, the ship would never visit the surface of any moon or planet, and so would never need to reach the high speeds necessary to escape surface gravity. The engines would be powered by nuclear reactors onboard the ship, and use argon rather than xenon for propellant, saving a few hundred billion dollars in cost. As an added bonus, BTE-Dan notes that argon can be mined from the atmosphere of Mars.

Although such a ship would a lack a warp drive (the technology that allows the "Star Trek" version to zip between stars across the galaxy), it could reach the moon in three days and Mars in three months. BTE-Dan suggests it might function as a combination of a space station and a space port, allowing humans to orbit planets and moons within the solar system while using a "universal lander" to travel to and from their surfaces. Such a spaceship could house 1,000 people within its gravity wheel.

The entire ship would be more than 3,000 feet (almost 1 kilometer) long, with its central disk making up nearly half its length.

According to the website, much of the technology needed to build the ship described is within our grasp, including the rotating gravity wheel, which could be suspended by electromagnets within a vacuum to eliminate mechanical wear and tear. Also easily within reach, he claims, are a 1.5 GWe (gigawatt electrical) nuclear reactor safe to carry in a spacecraft, and composite materials that would save mass, add strength and improve radiation shielding.

Design challenges

BTE-Dan describes himself as a systems and electrical engineer who has spent the past 30 years employed at a Fortune 500 company. He is presently declining interviews.

Though the prospect of a real-life Enterprise is appealing, the proposed ship is not without problems.

Adam Crowl, an engineer with Icarus Interstellar Inc., a nonprofit foundation dedicated to interstellar exploration, pointed out that a spaceship built with a sufficiently powerful nuclear reactor would need large thermal radiators, ruining the classic Enterprise look.

"Engineering physics doesn't respect our aesthetics," he told SPACE.com by email.

BTE-Dan's ship is essentially an iconic replica of the famous starship, and may not be practical.

"I would love to see 1,000 people go to Mars, but I need convincing that they need to be on the Enterprise to do so," said Crowl.

Other engineers said the similarities between BTE-Dan's ship and the Enterprise are only skin-deep.

"He wants to build something using foreseeable technology that just looks like the Enterprise," said Marc Millis, an aerospace engineer at NASA's Glenn Research Center. "It's nowhere close to being what the Enterprise is."

Still, the site received so many visits soon after its launch that it crashed, revealing how appealing the idea is to many people.

Today's technology

Though some aspects of the Enterprise are far out of reach today, many are within our grasp, and some are part of our daily lives. Sliding doors, futuristic in the 1960s, now welcome almost every grocery store visitor, and today's flip-open cellphones resemble Star Trek's tricorders. The touch-screen devices ubiquitous today even look like those used in the 1990s episodes of "Star Trek: The Next Generation."

"If you had shown someone an iPad in the 1990s and told them it was 23rd century technology, they would have believed you," Richard Obousy, co-founder and president of Icarus Interstellar Inc., told SPACE.com.

Advances with 3D printers also provide opportunities for voyages through space, allowing the replication of parts while using materials found at the destination. Andreas Hein, an aerospace engineer also with Icarus Interstellar, suggested that it might not be long before such printers make food similar to the way meals were synthesized by replicators on the Enterprise.

Additionally, engineers working at NASA's Advanced Propulsion Physics Laboratory, informally known as Eagleworks, are working on a Q-thruster that bears a striking resemblance to the impulse engines on the Enterprise.

Nuclear woes

Millis suggested the next step in rocket propulsion will likely include utilizing a nuclear power source, an option that is stymied by the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. He acknowledged that the barriers aren't just political ones, as people are nervous about the idea of launching nuclear rockets from Earth's surface, despite the fact that it could be done safely.

Obousy agreed that nuclear rockets could provide the necessary thrust, pointing to the large, multibillion-dollar projects around the world seeking ways to unlock fusion as an energy source. Of course, such projects primarily focus on powering homes and cities on Earth, but once unlocked, fusion could be used to travel through the stars.

"In terms of propulsion technology, fusion engines are potentially within a generation or two," Obousy said, though he added that sudden technological jumps could accelerate the process.

Visiting a planet without being seen may also be not too far out of reach.

"We're doing things with meta-materials that'll allow practical cloaking, maybe even invisibility," Crowl said.

Gravity presents one of the greatest challenges: The Enterprise of television and the movies lacks a gravity wheel, instead utilizing synthetic gravity. According to Millis, if we could find a way to master gravitational forces, such technology could also be utilized in tractor beams or the ship's propulsion.

Warp speed ahead

"Star Trek"-like propulsion remains a key problem. Fans are familiar with the warp drive, which accelerated the ship faster than the speed of light and allowed its crew to zip between stars. Such travel defies our present understanding of physics.

"I think this is one of the most important aspects that prevents an Enterprise-type ship in the near future," Hein said.

Obousy agreed. "One of the staples of these warp drives is that they require an exotic form of energy that we have not been able to create in the labs, dark energy being the salient example," he said.

Dark energy is the unexplained force behind the accelerated expansion of the universe. Scientists don't yet understand what it is, which makes it a challenge to use in propulsion.

A warp drive would require an enormous amount of energy. Theoretical calculations using dark energy to move a starship would require more energy than that contained within the planet Jupiter, making it uneconomical.

In the "Star Trek" universe, the warp drive relied on antimatter. When matter and antimatter annihilate one another, the energy produced is immense. Though such an energy source could conceivably power the ship, it is available only briefly.

Crowl pointed out that antimatter technology itself is developing rapidly. Ultra-high intensity lasers may soon allow it to be directly created from energy, and useful amounts may be trapped in the magnetic fields of planets like Earth and Saturn.

But, like dark energy, antimatter may prove to be more trouble than it's worth.

"Using antimatter right now is very expensive," Millis said. "But that doesn't mean that it always will be."

When mankind finally travels to the stars, we may have to forgo warp speed for something else, such as the manipulation of space-time itself. According to Albert Einstein, nothing in the universe can travel faster than the speed of light. But Millis points out that such limits do not necessarily apply to space-time. Theories in peer-reviewed journals explore the possibility of surrounding a craft with a bubble of space-time that expands and contracts, perhaps allowing it to exceed the speed of light.

"It's the difference between moving a pencil across a piece of paper or moving the whole paper," Millis said.

Beam me up, Scotty

Another potential challenge to recreating the "Star Trek" universe is the system of matter transmission. The crew often traveled to a planet by transporter, beaming from the Enterprise directly to the surface by way of machines that could scan a body, atom-by-atom, and then recreate it in another place.

Recent advances have been made in quantum teleportation, but Obousy and Millis both stressed the difference from "Star Trek"-style travel.

In quantum teleportation, "it's not the same photon you started out with, but a replica," said Obousy.

Such travel would require enormous precision.

"If you were going to recreate a human being transported from one place to another, you'd want to make sure everything's in the exact place," he said.

Millis suggested that, rather than matter transmission, scientists might one day learn how to utilize very small wormholes for travel.

"Of course, if you put mass through it, it might make the wormhole collapse," he noted.

Ultimately, the greatest challenge to replicating the Star Trek journeys may not come from the technological front.

"One of the things that I really liked about watching [the show] was the very good behavior of the crew," Millis said. "The prejudices and petty human differences that make up so much of television are pretty much absent. When I think about relative impossibilities, I think it will be easier to make technology for the starship Enterprise than to finally make humans behave that honorably."

Visit www.buildtheenterprise.org (http://www.buildtheenterprise.org) to see more details on the proposed construction of a real-life Enterprise.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on May 01, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
Rewatching 'Space Seed.' Lt. McGyvers is super hot. What is it about 60s girls?
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Post by: nacho on May 01, 2013, 03:06:31 PM
Rewatching 'Space Seed.' Lt. McGyvers is super hot. What is it about 60s girls?

What a grand episode, too. Daring for its day. After the credits roll, plug in Star Trek II! I love watching them back to back...
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Post by: RottingCorpse on May 01, 2013, 03:11:10 PM
I don't have Star Trek II!
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Post by: nacho on May 01, 2013, 03:32:46 PM
I don't have Star Trek II!

It's on Netflix and Amazon.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on May 01, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
But I'm a Luddite!
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Post by: nacho on May 01, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
I thought you returned to the Netflix well?

I say we make a weekend of the movie date and watch Star Trek II and then run over to watch the new Star Trek II(XII)!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on May 01, 2013, 07:53:44 PM
No, I have three down payments on my horse and buggy and my abacus calculations says I can't afford Netflix. Plus, I'm not sure my Commodore 64 will run it.
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Post by: nacho on May 01, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
I'm not sure my Commodore 64 will run it.

This gave me a short, sharp, and very brutal flashback to my childhood.
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Post by: nacho on May 15, 2013, 08:43:51 AM
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/05/underrated-star-trek-episodes/?viewall=true

Ten underrated TOS episodes... I post this here because #10 is an odd, back-handed defense of Spock's Brain. A bold move in geekdom!
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Post by: nacho on August 15, 2013, 11:47:16 AM
could only think of you suffering through TOS, RC...


http://io9.com/learn-to-fight-the-shatner-way-with-captain-kirks-top-1125250781
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Post by: nacho on August 10, 2014, 09:43:12 AM
John Muir picks "the five most underrated episodes of Star Trek" except several are highly rated... Though having Return of the Archons at #1 is interesting...


http://flashbak.com/the-5-most-underrated-episodes-of-star-trek-18299/

Time for RC to catch up on his marathon before the 50th!
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Post by: nacho on November 05, 2014, 07:24:23 PM
I forgot how fun the Nazi episode was.

"You should make a very good Nazi, captain."

The whole episode is a zany comedy!
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Post by: nacho on July 26, 2015, 09:00:27 AM
This made my morning...

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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 27, 2015, 01:22:47 PM
Nacho emailed this to me weeks ago and I still haven't looked at it. Cleaning out my email so I'm putting it here for the next time I'm rereading this thread in it's entirely which I seem to do every six months.

http://io9.com/the-io9-guide-to-star-trek-1737398036 (http://io9.com/the-io9-guide-to-star-trek-1737398036)
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Post by: nacho on October 27, 2015, 01:51:55 PM
Nacho emailed this to me weeks ago and I still haven't looked at it. Cleaning out my email so I'm putting it here for the next time I'm rereading this thread in it's entirely which I seem to do every six months.

http://io9.com/the-io9-guide-to-star-trek-1737398036 (http://io9.com/the-io9-guide-to-star-trek-1737398036)

Is every GS member working 100+ hours a week these days? We're supposed to be getting older, lazier, more settled...
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 27, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
I think our 40s are when we push ourselves until something in our body breaks.
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Post by: nacho on October 27, 2015, 06:12:54 PM
I think our 40s are when we push ourselves until something in our body breaks.

Do we do it in our 40s because that's when our bodies easily break?