Great Society

Archives => The Shithole => Topic started by: kyla on August 14, 2007, 09:34:17 AM

Title: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: kyla on August 14, 2007, 09:34:17 AM
Hi Guys!
I was watching 'Lolita' the other night.I was really grossed out!So much in fact that I had to switch the channel.My girlfriends were all on about how it's such a  ''classic'',and how everyone should see it at least once.I can safely say that my idea of a classic would border more on the lines of ''Pulp Ficton'' or ''Rocky''.The most disturbing part I think is the fact that it's a true story.
So I decided to have a game of online poker instead.Now that's the way I like to but an end to my weekend when I'm dying of a hangover ;)
What movies would you describe as  true ''classics''?Am I wrong in thinking Lolita is gross?
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 10:14:07 AM
Your not wrong in thinking that "Lolita" is gross.  It's horrific, however it is still considered a classic because at bad as it is now, imagine when it came out in 1967.  Shocking!  People didn't talk about the nasty secrets that their neighbors did back then.  It was shot beautifully and well acted.  That is also what makes it a "classic".  Kubrick was great a making people sit down and just stare at the screen with their mouths gaping open.  Even "Eyes Wide Shut" would have been great if it didn't have *shudder* Cruise and Kidman in it.

Pulp Fiction and Rocky are great movies.  But if you want true "classics" go back to the originals.  Casablanca, Gone with the Wind, Das Boat! 
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 10:40:35 AM
Quote
The most disturbing part I think is the fact that it's a true story.

You mean Lolita?  It's not a true story.  Humbert Humbert and his prison remembrances are all just fabrication.  But, yeah, sure, the theme is questionable.  Though come on!  Dominique Swain in the 97 version was just wonderful in that cringe-worthy way.  Neither movie is really a classic, despite 1962's Kubrick-Sellers collaboration.  The book isn't a classic, either.  Sshh.  The only reason it stands out is because it's OMG fucks a 12 year old! in the 50's.  It would hardly be shocking today, and Nabokov wouldn't be able to hold a candle to anyone. 

Classics are tough, though.  It's easy to pull the Casablanca's out of the hat but, really, we all know it's Big Trouble in Little China and Carpenter's remake of The Thing.

Red Dawn.  Princess Bride.  The first Die Hard.   Star Trek II.  KHHHAAAANNN!!!

Oh, and, Chinatown.  And Murder, My Sweet with Dick Powell in as Marlowe.  He outshines Bogart's Marlow by miles, and both the book and the movie are direct inspiration for the Max Payne dream sequences which almost ruined that game.

Strangers on a Train, North by Northwest...

Oh, well, there are far too many classics.

Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 10:53:47 AM
Quote
The most disturbing part I think is the fact that it's a true story.


Oh, well, there are far too many classics.



Well yes of course, I didn't even go into the western genre.  Ahh Princess Bride that takes me back. "..Anybody want a peanut?"
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 11:05:48 AM
Oh!  classic westerns.  Okay... The Eastwood collection, of course.  Though it's all about the pale rider duo of ghost stories -- High Plains Drifter, followed by the more sugary Pale Rider.  Then a sort of equal-standing lump of his spaghetti westerns -- the Leone trilogy (though it's really all just about The Good, The Bad & The Ugly, no?).  Those all time high-brow classics -- High Noon, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance -- and that enjoyable third tier occupied by movies like Open Range.  I'd even step down into the lower levels and call Quigley Down Under a classic.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 11:18:38 AM
Anything with Laura San Giacomo is alright in my book.  Rwooorww.  Yes, of course the Eastwood collection.  But don't forget Hondo, Big Jake and of course my favorite just because its hilarious "The War Wagon"  The Duke and Kurt Douglas pretty much fucking with each other the whole time.
I have to agree about Open Range, not well received, but very good.  Much better than Unforgiven which should not have won the Oscar.  Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Eastwood fan but it wasn't Oscar worthy.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 11:20:37 AM
Unforgiven was a throwaway movie... Now I'll upset you -- I don't like the John Wayne westerns.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 11:26:00 AM
Must Kill!  Must Kill!  Well how about Kevin Costners Wyatt Earp, what did you think of that?
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 14, 2007, 11:29:01 AM
I didn't like Costner's Earp.  Partly because my girlfriend at the time loved it.  Partly because Costner is a pretty boy who doesn't belong in a Western.

"John Wayne was a fag." -- that movie that quote comes from is a classic IMNSHO.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 11:31:56 AM
Oh, fajwat... We return to Open Range.  Watch that before you denounce Costner in westerns.

I didn't like Earp, either.  Because...uh...Costner's a pretty boy who doesn't belong in westerns.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 11:42:25 AM
I actually really liked his Wyatt Earp, certainly better than Kurt Russell in Tombstone.  How about Silverado?  A young Costner with Danny Glover, Scott Glen, Jeff Goldblum..good stuff.
I didn't like Costner's Earp.  Partly because my girlfriend at the time loved it.  Partly because Costner is a pretty boy who doesn't belong in a Western.


What about Eastwood, in his hayday of westerns he was a huges sex symbol and I don't think anyone can argue that he doesn't belong in westerns.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 11:44:49 AM
Silverado was fun.

Eastwood was a different sort of sex symbol.  He started out on Rawhide, became an instant sex symbol, and just continued in the genre.  Costner started out as a lovey-dovey, moody type. 

That said, yes, Earp is better than Tombstone.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 11:53:53 AM
Well, I will never compare Eastwoods westerns to Costners but the point the Fajwat was making was the Costner was too pretty for westerns.  Eastwood was just as pretty and now I feel oddly gay for talking about this.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 11:57:25 AM
See, I don't think Eastwood was as pretty as Costner, in the traditional sense.  He was always a squinty-eyed, wiry hothead who played trigger-happy (though lovable) psychos.

Rowdy Yates on Rawhide was an honorable man but, Jesus, it's also the first time we see the rapid-fire revolver routine.  Thanks, Rowdy, I know it was a bad guy and all...but 97 bullets to the forehead followed by compulsive masturbation?  Relax, psycho.

Fag.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 14, 2007, 12:00:41 PM
I'm going to avoid the beauty contest by pointing out there's a difference between being pretty and being a pretty boy.  You can be an ugly pretty boy who doesn't belong in westerns, and you can be  a guy with a pretty face who does belong in westerns.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 12:02:55 PM
Fag.
Takes one to know one!

Okay what about Redford?  Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid?  Great western.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Nubbins on August 14, 2007, 12:09:22 PM
I think they should remake Lolita kind of like they did with Romeo and Juliet... put it in a 2000's context, ya know?  Might make it a little bit more relative.

That said, I really enjoyed both versions of the movie.  I remember the one with Jeremy Irons was so controversial, no one would put it out.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 12:11:58 PM
Lolita put out, though!  Har har. 

Butch and Sundance I'll agree with, Sirharles.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Nubbins on August 14, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
Also, I hated Costner's Wyatt Earp... 3 hours and 15 minutes of torture.  I loved Tombstone if only for Val Kilmer's incredible Doc Holliday.

As far as my favorite Westerns go, though... True Grit, The Magnificent Seven, The Wild Bunch and all of Eastwood's movies come to mind... particularly Outlaw Josey Wales and Unforgiven.  There has never been anyone better when it comes to a guy in the old West out for revenge.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 12:25:40 PM
Oh yes, The Magnificent Seven.  All the Samurai and none of the naked dancing men.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 12:34:06 PM
Josey Wales definetly, but as stated before Unforgiven just didn't have the same feel as his earlier ones.  I always felt that it was lacking.

The only reason the Jeremy Irons movie was shocking was because they used a real underage girl for all the love scenes.  They could do a 2000 version but his character would have to be a catholic priest now.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 12:56:58 PM
Wow, two pages before a priest joke.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 14, 2007, 01:07:16 PM
1.5
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Tatertots on August 14, 2007, 01:08:18 PM
is the loneliest number.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Nubbins on August 14, 2007, 01:10:55 PM
I didn't like Unforgiven the first few times I saw it, but the acting is among the best I've ever seen in a Western and after a while the movie really grew on me.  The reckoning scene at the end gives me goose bumps it's so awesomely badass.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 01:18:16 PM
Unforgiven is all about Hackman, for me.  He successfully pulls off a sort of generic homage to western bad guys while keeping everything in a grey area between villainy and not-so.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Nubbins on August 14, 2007, 01:25:24 PM
And I liked Eastwood because the entire movie we get snippets of stories about how evil a person Munny was before he got married and straightened his life out... we see this straight edge, softspoken guy and cannot for the life of us imagine that he was once evil... until the end when he's out for revenge.  It all builds and builds and builds the entire movie and it's just incredible.  I love Unforgiven.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 14, 2007, 01:31:09 PM
1.5
is the loneliest number.

http://www.five.tv/programmes/extraordinarypeople/womanwith/
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 14, 2007, 01:32:32 PM
And I liked Eastwood because the entire movie we get snippets of stories about how evil a person Munny was before he got married and straightened his life out... we see this straight edge, softspoken guy and cannot for the life of us imagine that he was once evil... until the end when he's out for revenge.  It all builds and builds and builds the entire movie and it's just incredible.  I love Unforgiven.

I got the feeling it was supposed to be like that, but for me all I saw was Eastwood and I knew exactly where he'd been and what he was capable of.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Nubbins on August 14, 2007, 01:43:33 PM
"Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!"
 
"Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend."

"You'd be William Munny out of Missouri. Killer of women and children."
 
"That's right. I've killed women and children. I've killed just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you did to Ned."
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 01:45:31 PM
Final Draft Pro's "Western" template.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Nubbins on August 14, 2007, 01:53:19 PM
"Buzzards gotta eat same as the worms."
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Sirharles on August 14, 2007, 04:12:26 PM
I loved Unforgiven don't get me wrong.  Eastwood going nuts at the end.  But I have to agree with Nacho, it didn't take me long to get from Munny being a good guy that was bad a long time ago.  Again I loved it, own it, but it isn't Oscar worthy.  Plenty of better movies that were in the running that year. 
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 14, 2007, 06:29:51 PM
I loved Unforgiven

...

Again I loved it, own it, but it isn't Oscar worthy.  Plenty of better movies that were in the running that year. 

Which do you think were better?

The Crying Game
A Few Good Men
Howards End
Scent of a Woman
Unforgiven
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Nubbins on August 14, 2007, 06:31:17 PM
Scent of a Woman, definitely... that was an awesome movie.

The Crying Game and a Few Good Men were good too.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 14, 2007, 06:32:25 PM
Oh, man, Scent of a Woman was painful.  Hoo-aah!  Hoo-aah!  Hoo-aah!  Hoo-aah!
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 14, 2007, 06:40:38 PM
Wait...Scent of a Woman is the movie about the dying blind guy or something?  I recall that being horrible.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Cassander on August 14, 2007, 08:52:17 PM
what happened to kyla?
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Tatertots on August 14, 2007, 11:11:48 PM
I assumed it was a spam bot that didn't link the poker site correctly or something.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 14, 2007, 11:52:20 PM
agree w/ Tatertots.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: leom on August 15, 2007, 06:45:18 AM
I think it's pretty gross too,but it is in fact a classic.You should have watched it til the end,but then again I can see why you wouldnt if you have a hangover.It's not exactly a ''Feel Good'' movie now is it.I recommend movies like The Spongebob movie if you're feeling a little bit delicate ;)
Online poker eh?I have never tried it but I'd say it's great fun!I play Texas Hold'em with my mates every wednesday night.I want to get better though.I recommend you check this out!!! (http://www.alancheuse.com).Got some great tips on how to improve your strategy and skill.
So hunny,stick to the movies you love and know best.Only you can decide what you consider a true classic.Enjoy your next hungover evening with a movie that's easy on the brain and a big glass of sparkling water with a sprig of lemon grass and half an asperin!!!
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 15, 2007, 07:25:04 AM
Nice!  A URL I can edit.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 15, 2007, 09:51:43 AM
wow.  that one two punch is vaguely sophisticated.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 15, 2007, 10:16:56 AM
I was actually quite excited to have a new member participate.  Shame, really.  Have we really reached a point where people are so bored that they become living spambots?
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Tatertots on August 15, 2007, 11:38:23 AM
Probably just "sophisticated" spam bots. I love how they're creating fake conversations now.

Nacho - post the name of the poker site so I can sign their webmaster and other e-mail addresses up for mailing lists. The WHOIS record usually has some good stuff, too.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 15, 2007, 11:46:46 AM
I don't remember...
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Tatertots on August 15, 2007, 03:53:41 PM
Jesus. I hate you.

Leom - who do you work for? WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? VEE HAF VAYS OF MAKING VE TALK!
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 15, 2007, 04:04:20 PM
Funny.  His email is German.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 15, 2007, 04:11:08 PM
both of their ips belog to the same deutche telekom dialup pool.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Tatertots on August 15, 2007, 04:11:46 PM
It's a vast conspiracy! Also, it's Bush's fault.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 15, 2007, 04:16:31 PM
Also, it's Bush's fault.

Actually true, in this case.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Tatertots on August 15, 2007, 04:18:39 PM
Oh! Explain, because I actually don't know. I black out whenever I hear politicians talk about the internet and spam because it's like listening to your neighbor's Down Syndrome kid talk about Bauhaus Architecture as it relates to the International Style.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 15, 2007, 04:19:55 PM
I was kidding.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 15, 2007, 04:27:49 PM
bow house architecture consists of a series of tubes.  it's not like a truck.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Tatertots on August 15, 2007, 05:43:57 PM
Reginald's a bitch.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 15, 2007, 05:56:24 PM
Reginald's a bitch.

That's Bush's fault too.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 15, 2007, 05:58:03 PM
I think it's Nabokov's fault.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 15, 2007, 06:09:16 PM
I think it's Nabokov's fault.

Nah.  Like Bush, Nabokov isn't a classic, he's just shocking because he's breaking new ground.  10 years from now Bush will look so tame and passe the only reason we'll think of him is that he opened the door for those to come.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 15, 2007, 06:19:52 PM
Anyway, she was a very mature 12.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: fajwat on August 15, 2007, 06:40:44 PM
doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: nacho on August 15, 2007, 10:12:39 PM
Hey, poker's poker.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 16, 2007, 01:01:38 PM
Liquor in the front, poker in the back.
Title: Re: Correct me if I'm wrong!?
Post by: Nubbins on August 21, 2007, 12:52:49 PM
I've got the nuts.