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Title: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on February 09, 2007, 11:48:10 AM
The official announcement is tomorrow, but he's been running his campaign for a month.  Since both his people and the media are referring to all activities as "campaigning" for 2008, we'll go ahead and out him.  Otherwise I'm going to go insane.

From the Dayton Daily News:

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Obama plans early campaign stop in Cincy
Presidential candidate will appear at a fundraiser Feb. 26 at the Westin.

By William Hershey

Staff Writer

Friday, February 09, 2007

COLUMBUS — Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, set to formally announce his candidacy for president on Saturday, will be in Cincinnati on Feb. 26 for a fundraiser geared to supporters from the Cincinnati and Dayton areas.

State Sen. Eric Kearney, D-Cincinnati, and his wife, Jan-Michele, a classmate of Obama's at Harvard Law School, are organizing the 8 a.m. breakfast event at the downtown Westin hotel. State Sen. Tom Roberts, D-Trotwood, is on the host committee.

"He has the intellectual capacity to handle the job. He also has the message that addresses the need for the country to move ahead economically, yet not leave our poor citizens behind," Kearney said of Obama, a longtime friend.

Tickets are going for $100, $500, $1,000 and $2,300, the federal contribution limit, said Kearney.

Kearney said that he and his wife had to "work hard" to make Cincinnati one of the first 10 stops of Obama's campaign.

Obama is among a crowd of Democrats in the race that includes U.S. Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York, Joseph Biden of Delaware and Christopher Dodd of Connecticut; former U.S. Sen. and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards of North Carolina; New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Cleveland; and former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 12, 2007, 08:34:02 AM
Oh, yeah, here's the official announcement...which didn't make the front page of any paper, by the way.  Talk about dead in the water.  This is the first candidate who got caught with his pants down by this insane early announcement routine.

So that spells the end of our anointed son.  Hillary's won the first round for the dems.

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Megan Crepeau and Rebecca Huval
The Daily Northwestern

The chant started quietly - a few persistent voices on one side of the crowd - and spread quickly until the thousands of spectators shouted as one.

"O-ba-ma. O-ba-ma. O-ba-ma! O-BA-MA!"

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., finally said what the 15,000 to 17,000 people in the crowd had come to hear: "In the shadow of the Old State Capitol, where Lincoln once called on a divided house to stand together, where common hopes and common dreams still live, I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for president of the United States."

Weinberg and Music freshman Hugh Roland pumped his ungloved fist in the air, his cheeks bright pink with excitement and cold.

Roland and 25 other Northwestern College Democrats traveled to Springfield with more than 100 members of the Democratic Party of Evanston to hear Obama's announcement Saturday morning that he is officially joining the 2008 presidential race. State Sen. Jeff Schoenberg organized the trip and chartered three buses.

The participants crowded into Schoenberg's office before 5 a.m., awkwardly passing around Obama T-shirts, water bottles and boxes of doughnuts above peoples' heads and around their winter layers. Bleary-eyed, they let out bursts of excitement as they waited to start the three-and-a-half-hour trip to Springfield.

Retirees sat next to college students on the buses, where riders dozed off to sleep as they passed by downtown Chicago. But when the sun rose and the buses neared the capital, the Democrats started talking about whether Obama might receive the nomination and speculating about what he might say in his speech.

When they arrived at the Old State Capitol Building, they passed down roads lined with anti-abortion protesters flashing posters of aborted fetuses, vendors hawking buttons and stickers and police surveying the crowd. The Evanston contingent elbowed its way through the early arrivals, who already had staked out the best views.

After the introduction by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., was met with the muffled applause of gloved hands in the zero degree wind chill, the audience greeted Obama with a roar.

"We all made this journey for a reason," Obama said. "It's humbling, but in my heart I know you didn't come here just for me" - "Yeah we did!" Roland said - "you came here because you believe in what this country can be."

Without going into detailed plans, Obama said he supports universal health care, getting U.S. troops out of Iraq, fighting global warming, improving pay for teachers and strengthening unions and the middle class.

Obama is the most recent candidate to join a growing list of presidential hopefuls. His competitors for the Democratic nomination include Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, former North Carolina senator John Edwards, Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska.

In a January Gallup poll, 18 percent of Democrats and Democrat-inclined independents favored Obama as the party's candidate, while 29 percent chose Clinton.

Obama served in the Illinois state Senate for eight years and is serving his first term in the U.S. Senate. At recent College Republicans meetings, students called him an "empty suit," said Weinberg sophomore Linnea Perelli-Minetti, a publicity chairwoman for the NU College Republicans.

"You have to wonder, he really hasn't had a lot of experience," she said.

Obama openly addressed his relative inexperience in the beginning of his speech.

"I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington," he said. "But I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change."

To effect change, citizens must unite despite differences, he said as the anti-abortion protesters chanted in the background. Drawing on influences such as John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln's "House Divided" speech, Obama stressed that his campaign was not about himself.

"This campaign can't only be about me," he said. "It must be about us. It must be about what we can do together. This campaign must be the occasion, the vehicle, of your hopes, and your dreams."

With his speech still fresh in their minds, the Evanston travelers ate pizza and salad at the Governor's Mansion. They shook hands with Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who was booed when mentioned during Durbin's introduction of Obama.

On the way to Springfield, snores softly filled in the buses. But from the moment the crowd left the speech to the second the buses pulled back into Evanston at dusk, political chatter buzzed in the air.

"It seems it will only be historic if he wins," Evanston lawyer Tom Anger said. "Otherwise it will just be another freezing cold day in southeastern Illinois."


http://www.barackobama.com/



Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 12, 2007, 08:34:20 AM
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Full Text of Senator Barack Obama's Announcement for President
Springfield, IL | February 10, 2007

Let me begin by saying thanks to all you who've traveled, from far and wide, to brave the cold today.

We all made this journey for a reason. It's humbling, but in my heart I know you didn't come here just for me, you came here because you believe in what this country can be. In the face of war, you believe there can be peace. In the face of despair, you believe there can be hope. In the face of a politics that's shut you out, that's told you to settle, that's divided us for too long, you believe we can be one people, reaching for what's possible, building that more perfect union.

That's the journey we're on today. But let me tell you how I came to be here. As most of you know, I am not a native of this great state. I moved to Illinois over two decades ago. I was a young man then, just a year out of college; I knew no one in Chicago, was without money or family connections. But a group of churches had offered me a job as a community organizer for $13,000 a year. And I accepted the job, sight unseen, motivated then by a single, simple, powerful idea - that I might play a small part in building a better America.

My work took me to some of Chicago's poorest neighborhoods. I joined with pastors and lay-people to deal with communities that had been ravaged by plant closings. I saw that the problems people faced weren't simply local in nature - that the decision to close a steel mill was made by distant executives; that the lack of textbooks and computers in schools could be traced to the skewed priorities of politicians a thousand miles away; and that when a child turns to violence, there's a hole in his heart no government could ever fill.

It was in these neighborhoods that I received the best education I ever had, and where I learned the true meaning of my Christian faith.

After three years of this work, I went to law school, because I wanted to understand how the law should work for those in need. I became a civil rights lawyer, and taught constitutional law, and after a time, I came to understand that our cherished rights of liberty and equality depend on the active participation of an awakened electorate. It was with these ideas in mind that I arrived in this capital city as a state Senator.

It was here, in Springfield, where I saw all that is America converge - farmers and teachers, businessmen and laborers, all of them with a story to tell, all of them seeking a seat at the table, all of them clamoring to be heard. I made lasting friendships here - friends that I see in the audience today.

It was here we learned to disagree without being disagreeable - that it's possible to compromise so long as you know those principles that can never be compromised; and that so long as we're willing to listen to each other, we can assume the best in people instead of the worst.

That's why we were able to reform a death penalty system that was broken. That's why we were able to give health insurance to children in need. That's why we made the tax system more fair and just for working families, and that's why we passed ethics reforms that the cynics said could never, ever be passed.

It was here, in Springfield, where North, South, East and West come together that I was reminded of the essential decency of the American people - where I came to believe that through this decency, we can build a more hopeful America.

And that is why, in the shadow of the Old State Capitol, where Lincoln once called on a divided house to stand together, where common hopes and common dreams still, I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of the United States.

I recognize there is a certain presumptuousness - a certain audacity - to this announcement. I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change.

The genius of our founders is that they designed a system of government that can be changed. And we should take heart, because we've changed this country before. In the face of tyranny, a band of patriots brought an Empire to its knees. In the face of secession, we unified a nation and set the captives free. In the face of Depression, we put people back to work and lifted millions out of poverty. We welcomed immigrants to our shores, we opened railroads to the west, we landed a man on the moon, and we heard a King's call to let justice roll down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream.

Each and every time, a new generation has risen up and done what's needed to be done. Today we are called once more - and it is time for our generation to answer that call.

For that is our unyielding faith - that in the face of impossible odds, people who love their country can change it.

That's what Abraham Lincoln understood. He had his doubts. He had his defeats. He had his setbacks. But through his will and his words, he moved a nation and helped free a people. It is because of the millions who rallied to his cause that we are no longer divided, North and South, slave and free. It is because men and women of every race, from every walk of life, continued to march for freedom long after Lincoln was laid to rest, that today we have the chance to face the challenges of this millennium together, as one people - as Americans.

All of us know what those challenges are today - a war with no end, a dependence on oil that threatens our future, schools where too many children aren't learning, and families struggling paycheck to paycheck despite working as hard as they can. We know the challenges. We've heard them. We've talked about them for years.

What's stopped us from meeting these challenges is not the absence of sound policies and sensible plans. What's stopped us is the failure of leadership, the smallness of our politics - the ease with which we're distracted by the petty and trivial, our chronic avoidance of tough decisions, our preference for scoring cheap political points instead of rolling up our sleeves and building a working consensus to tackle big problems.

For the last six years we've been told that our mounting debts don't matter, we've been told that the anxiety Americans feel about rising health care costs and stagnant wages are an illusion, we've been told that climate change is a hoax, and that tough talk and an ill-conceived war can replace diplomacy, and strategy, and foresight. And when all else fails, when Katrina happens, or the death toll in Iraq mounts, we've been told that our crises are somebody else's fault. We're distracted from our real failures, and told to blame the other party, or gay people, or immigrants.

And as people have looked away in disillusionment and frustration, we know what's filled the void. The cynics, and the lobbyists, and the special interests who've turned our government into a game only they can afford to play. They write the checks and you get stuck with the bills, they get the access while you get to write a letter, they think they own this government, but we're here today to take it back. The time for that politics is over. It's time to turn the page.

We've made some progress already. I was proud to help lead the fight in Congress that led to the most sweeping ethics reform since Watergate.

But Washington has a long way to go. And it won't be easy. That's why we'll have to set priorities. We'll have to make hard choices. And although government will play a crucial role in bringing about the changes we need, more money and programs alone will not get us where we need to go. Each of us, in our own lives, will have to accept responsibility - for instilling an ethic of achievement in our children, for adapting to a more competitive economy, for strengthening our communities, and sharing some measure of sacrifice. So let us begin. Let us begin this hard work together. Let us transform this nation.

Let us be the generation that reshapes our economy to compete in the digital age. Let's set high standards for our schools and give them the resources they need to succeed. Let's recruit a new army of teachers, and give them better pay and more support in exchange for more accountability. Let's make college more affordable, and let's invest in scientific research, and let's lay down broadband lines through the heart of inner cities and rural towns all across America.

And as our economy changes, let's be the generation that ensures our nation's workers are sharing in our prosperity. Let's protect the hard-earned benefits their companies have promised. Let's make it possible for hardworking Americans to save for retirement. And let's allow our unions and their organizers to lift up this country's middle-class again.

Let's be the generation that ends poverty in America. Every single person willing to work should be able to get job training that leads to a job, and earn a living wage that can pay the bills, and afford child care so their kids have a safe place to go when they work. Let's do this.

Let's be the generation that finally tackles our health care crisis. We can control costs by focusing on prevention, by providing better treatment to the chronically ill, and using technology to cut the bureaucracy. Let's be the generation that says right here, right now, that we will have universal health care in America by the end of the next president's first term.

Let's be the generation that finally frees America from the tyranny of oil. We can harness homegrown, alternative fuels like ethanol and spur the production of more fuel-efficient cars. We can set up a system for capping greenhouse gases. We can turn this crisis of global warming into a moment of opportunity for innovation, and job creation, and an incentive for businesses that will serve as a model for the world. Let's be the generation that makes future generations proud of what we did here.

Most of all, let's be the generation that never forgets what happened on that September day and confront the terrorists with everything we've got. Politics doesn't have to divide us on this anymore - we can work together to keep our country safe. I've worked with Republican Senator Dick Lugar to pass a law that will secure and destroy some of the world's deadliest, unguarded weapons. We can work together to track terrorists down with a stronger military, we can tighten the net around their finances, and we can improve our intelligence capabilities. But let us also understand that ultimate victory against our enemies will come only by rebuilding our alliances and exporting those ideals that bring hope and opportunity to millions around the globe.

But all of this cannot come to pass until we bring an end to this war in Iraq. Most of you know I opposed this war from the start. I thought it was a tragic mistake. Today we grieve for the families who have lost loved ones, the hearts that have been broken, and the young lives that could have been. America, it's time to start bringing our troops home. It's time to admit that no amount of American lives can resolve the political disagreement that lies at the heart of someone else's civil war. That's why I have a plan that will bring our combat troops home by March of 2008. Letting the Iraqis know that we will not be there forever is our last, best hope to pressure the Sunni and Shia to come to the table and find peace.

Finally, there is one other thing that is not too late to get right about this war - and that is the homecoming of the men and women - our veterans - who have sacrificed the most. Let us honor their valor by providing the care they need and rebuilding the military they love. Let us be the generation that begins this work.

I know there are those who don't believe we can do all these things. I understand the skepticism. After all, every four years, candidates from both parties make similar promises, and I expect this year will be no different. All of us running for president will travel around the country offering ten-point plans and making grand speeches; all of us will trumpet those qualities we believe make us uniquely qualified to lead the country. But too many times, after the election is over, and the confetti is swept away, all those promises fade from memory, and the lobbyists and the special interests move in, and people turn away, disappointed as before, left to struggle on their own.

That is why this campaign can't only be about me. It must be about us - it must be about what we can do together. This campaign must be the occasion, the vehicle, of your hopes, and your dreams. It will take your time, your energy, and your advice - to push us forward when we're doing right, and to let us know when we're not. This campaign has to be about reclaiming the meaning of citizenship, restoring our sense of common purpose, and realizing that few obstacles can withstand the power of millions of voices calling for change.

By ourselves, this change will not happen. Divided, we are bound to fail.

But the life of a tall, gangly, self-made Springfield lawyer tells us that a different future is possible.

He tells us that there is power in words.

He tells us that there is power in conviction.

That beneath all the differences of race and region, faith and station, we are one people.

He tells us that there is power in hope.

As Lincoln organized the forces arrayed against slavery, he was heard to say: "Of strange, discordant, and even hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought to battle through."

That is our purpose here today.

That's why I'm in this race.

Not just to hold an office, but to gather with you to transform a nation.

I want to win that next battle - for justice and opportunity.

I want to win that next battle - for better schools, and better jobs, and health care for all.

I want us to take up the unfinished business of perfecting our union, and building a better America.

And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 12, 2007, 09:26:55 AM
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That's why I'm in this race.

OMFG he played the race card!!!!!  It's on, now.

 vduel
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 12, 2007, 03:32:14 PM
So who's going to start a blog on Obama's site?

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/ObamaHQ/
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Cassander on February 23, 2007, 01:40:12 PM
wait, who's this guy again? some crackpot?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2007, 11:30:01 AM
The latest anti-Obama attempt.  This taken from the Chicago Tribune.

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Obama bought speculative stocks favored by donors

By Mike McIntire and Christopher Drew
New York Times News Service
Published March 7, 2007


Less than two months after ascending to the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama bought more than $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose major investors included some of his biggest political donors.

One of the companies was a biotech concern that was starting to develop a drug to treat avian flu. In March 2005, two weeks after buying about $5,000 of its shares, Obama took the lead in a legislative push for more federal spending to battle the disease.

The most recent financial disclosure form for Obama (D-Ill.) also shows that he bought more than $50,000 in stock in a satellite communications business whose principal backers include four friends and donors who had raised more than $150,000 for his political committees.

A spokesman for Obama, who is seeking his party's presidential nomination in 2008, said Tuesday that the senator did not know that he had invested in either company until fall 2005, when he learned of it and decided to sell the stocks. He sold them at a net loss of $13,000.

The spokesman, Bill Burton, said Obama's broker bought the stocks without consulting the senator, under the terms of a blind trust that was being set up for the senator at that time but was not finalized until several months after the investments were made.

"He went about this process to avoid an actual or apparent conflict of interest and he had no knowledge of the stocks he owned," Burton said. "And when he realized that he didn't have the level of blindness that he expected, he moved to terminate the trust."

Obama has made ethics a signature issue. There is no evidence that any of his actions ended up benefiting either company during the roughly eight months that he owned the stocks.

Even so, the stock purchases raise questions about how he could unwittingly come to invest in two relatively obscure companies, whose backers happened to include generous contributors to his political committees.

Among those donors was Jared Abbruzzese, a New York businessman now at the center of an FBI inquiry into public corruption in Albany, N.Y. Abbruzzese had also contributed to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that had sought to undermine Sen. John Kerry's Democratic presidential campaign in 2004.

Senate ethics rules do not prohibit lawmakers from owning stocks. The rules say only that lawmakers should not take legislative actions whose primary purpose is to benefit themselves.

Obama's sale of his shares in the two companies ended what appears to have been a brief foray into highly speculative investing that stood out amid an otherwise conservative portfolio of mutual funds and cash accounts, a review of his Senate disclosure statements shows. He earned $2,000 on the biotech company AVI BioPharma and lost $15,000 on the satellite communications concern Skyterra according to Burton of the Obama campaign.

Burton said the trust was different from qualified blind trusts that other senators commonly used because it was intended to allow him greater flexibility to address any allegations of conflicts that might arise from its assets. He said Obama had decided to sell the stocks after receiving a communication that made him concerned about how the trust was set up.

The disclosure forms show that the Obamas put $50,000 to $100,000 into an account at UBS, which his aides say was recommended to him by a wealthy friend, George Haywood. Public security filings show Haywood was also a major investor in both Skyterra and AVI BioPharma.

Haywood and his wife, Cheryl, have contributed close to $50,000 to Obama's campaigns and to his political action committee, the Hopefund. Haywood declined to comment.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 07, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
I'm already sick of hearing about the 2008 election.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2007, 04:14:09 PM
I'm sick of pretty much everything.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on March 07, 2007, 11:51:58 PM
inspired subtitle change, there. 

i'm going to quote the Clintons here: "Imagine if we had made money on the deal."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 13, 2007, 12:34:53 PM
Dem cullards is fightin' each other, pa!


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Sharpton tears into Obama
'Why shouldn't the black community ask questions?'

March 13, 2007
Activist Al Sharpton lit into presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday, suggesting Obama shouldn't take blacks' support for granted.
"Why shouldn't the black community ask questions? Are we now being told, 'You all just shut up?'" Sharpton told a TV reporter from a New York CBS station.

"I'm not going to be cajoled or intimidated by any candidate," said Sharpton, a New Yorker who ran for president in 2004.

Sharpton went on to criticize Obama on other issues, including his relationship with Sen. Joe Lieberman, who's controversial within the Democratic Party.

"Senator Obama and I agree that the war is wrong, but then I want to know why he went to Connecticut and helped Lieberman, the biggest supporter of the war," Sharpton told TV.

Obama's camp wouldn't answer the charges. The TV report said that Sharpton was responding to a published story claiming he was undermining Obama.

The New York Post wrote that Sharpton, who has vied with Jesse Jackson to lead black Americans, is "terrified of being overshadowed by someone of Obama's class and character."

"It's driving Al crazy that Obama is as impressive and popular as he is, and he's not happy about it," a black Democratic activist was quoted as saying.

A source reportedly close to Sharpton also said the New Yorker had wanted to run for president again in 2008, and Obama's White House bid foiled him, according to the Post.


http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/294494,CST-NWS-obama13.article
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on March 13, 2007, 12:37:17 PM
Sure Al...support a conservative in one election, then your empty threats will have some meat.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 13, 2007, 02:48:22 PM
I love Sharpton. He's interesting and makes some good points if you get around the ridiculous ones. You never know what's going to come out of his mouth.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on March 20, 2007, 02:56:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo

let the character assassination begin!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on April 10, 2007, 10:43:42 AM
Blah blah Obama Blah blah Obama.


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Obama tells Letterman he's not in race for VP

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama on Tuesday dismissed the notion he might consider accepting the No. 2 spot on the 2008 ballot -- with Hillary Rodham Clinton at the top.

"You don't run for second. I don't believe in that," the Illinois senator said on "Late Night with David Letterman."

"That would be a powerful ticket," Letterman prodded.

"Which order are we talking?" Obama replied, drawing laughter and applause from the studio audience.

"Let's say you're the presidential candidate and Hillary is the vice presidential candidate. Now if she were sitting here, it would be different from that," Letterman joked.

Obama, a fresh face on the national stage who has served just two years in the Senate, said last week he had raised $25 million this year, almost matching Clinton and solidifying his bid for the Democratic nomination to seek the presidency in November 2008.

Obama fell only $1 million short of the higher-profile New York senator, despite the huge fund-raising network she developed through her Senate campaigns and the White House races of her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

Asked by Letterman whether there were private discussions of the situation going the other way, with Clinton in the No. 2 spot, Obama said the contenders were all in the race to win the party nomination but were on the same team.

"Really, what we're doing is we're trying out for quarterback," Obama said.

Letterman persisted, asking whether the senator might reconsider if it came to a point where the campaigns of the two front-runners were ripping their party apart.

Obama replied: "I think it is possible that in that kind of situation, we might have to have a brokered convention and, Dave, we might turn to you."

Copyright 2007 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on April 10, 2007, 12:40:46 PM
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Obama tells Letterman he's not in race for VP
"Really, what we're doing is we're trying out for quarterback," Obama said.

Letterman persisted, asking whether the senator might reconsider if it came to a point where the campaigns of the two front-runners were ripping their party apart.

Obama replied: "I think it is possible that in that kind of situation, we might have to have a brokered convention and, Dave, we might turn to you."

Class, or close enough.  He's keeping with the humble guy sports analogies (remember his superbowl announcement?) to counter his booksmart image.  That whole "Dave, we might turn to you" is probably the best way to have handled Dave politely.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on May 31, 2007, 08:24:27 AM
Blah blah, impossible health plan, blah blah:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/HealthPlanFull.pdf

People who can still manage some interest in Train Wreck 08 are chattering about this.  But when it comes to this stuff, it's total nonsense.  Make wild plans for huge changes and, then, quietly let them vanish 32 minutes after taking office.

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 01, 2007, 06:03:44 PM
"Magic fairies will come and heal you while you sleep."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on July 02, 2007, 11:32:31 AM
So, blah blah blah, biggest fundraiser ever, what a guy.

Great...except his polling is sucking.  He's down everywhere... And the Al Gore rumor just pulled the rug out from under Obama.  That's who the Obama people really want to run.  Obama's youth culture base are all the faux-liberal misguided types.  Hillary's sucking up the middle of the road center-right Democrats.  We're watching the quiet marginalization of the golden boy, here. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 03, 2007, 09:27:58 PM
Nobody knows how this guy feels about anything. You can only get so far talking about the America that should and could be.

Fucking take a stand on something, Barack.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on July 04, 2007, 12:36:41 AM
He's for peace and liberty. Why do you hate America, RC? Why?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on July 04, 2007, 02:10:51 AM
because America is NOT for peace and liberty.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 04, 2007, 09:01:00 AM
Why do you hate America, RC? Why?

Because America fucked my girlfriend on prom night.

That was supposed to be a joke but actually that's a pretty good fucking metaphor for how I feel about the U.S. government.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on July 04, 2007, 09:13:44 AM
Yeah, Obama's a shell.  At this point, money aside, the nomination is going to either to Hillary or a dark horse (not that such a thing exists -- we all have Gore's name on our lips).
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on August 02, 2007, 12:23:40 PM
So are we following this current nonsense?  Obama advocates addressing the al Queda threat in Pakistan, not actually taking the country out or doing anything insane.  His rivals have all gone nuts.

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Obama slammed by Democratic rivals again
www.chinaview.cn 2007-08-02 09:56:52         Print

    BEIJING, Aug. 2 (Xinhuanet) -- U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama was slammed by his Democratic rivals Wednesday as "irresponsible" for his potential foreign policy.

    In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in Washington, D.C., Obama said "if Pakistani leaders were to fail to take action against the known terrorists within their borders," he would dispatch forces as president, removing troops from Iraq and put them on the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains (in Pakistan) who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

    His chief Democratic rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, who leads by about 15 percent in national polls, blasted Obama as "irresponsible" for his speech Wednesday.

    Obama's speech came a week after he was described as naive by Clinton, for saying he'd been willing to meet with "leaders of Cuba, Iran and North Korea without conditions."

    A poll by The Wall Street Journal and NBC News said Clinton has widened her lead over Obama, going up to 43 percent in July from 39 percent in June. Obama tallied 22 percent, down from 25 percent in June.

    Meanwhile, Chris Dodd, another senator of the Democratic, said "Frankly, I am not sure what Barack is calling for in his speech this morning. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to leave even the impression the United States would needlessly and publicly provoke a nuclear power."

    The White House defended its policy toward Pakistan, without commenting directly on Obama's remarks.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on August 02, 2007, 12:40:34 PM
I dare to dream.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 02, 2007, 01:27:19 PM
So are we following this current nonsense?  Obama advocates addressing the al Queda threat in Pakistan, not actually taking the country out or doing anything insane.  His rivals have all gone nuts.

It would be nuts to do what he advocates.  Musharraf is hanging on to power by a thread.  He has taken incredible heat already for helping us in those borderland areas.  People routinely try to assassinate him.  If we go into Pakistan, his life would be over.  Also, that would signal the end of any working together with Pakistan on terrorism as the next government would be Islamic fundamentalist.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on August 02, 2007, 01:28:25 PM
But at least it'd be a good time.  We need another war!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on August 02, 2007, 01:35:18 PM
Forget that. A BRIDGE BROKE! A FUCKING BRIDGE? DID YOU HEAR? It's only the entire contents of CNN's front page right now!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 02, 2007, 01:43:12 PM
But at least it'd be a good time.  We need another war!

I don't think it would be a war though.  It would be in and out for us.  Then Pakistan melts down and reforms on the other team.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on August 02, 2007, 01:51:51 PM
Okay, okay, don't vote Obama.  I hear you.  Easily done because, from here on out, it's weak on foreign policy...in a time when that is all important.  That's all we'll hear... The 2008 campaign isn't very forgiving when it comes to gaffes like this.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on August 02, 2007, 02:08:50 PM
Forget that. A BRIDGE BROKE! A FUCKING BRIDGE? DID YOU HEAR? It's only the entire contents of CNN's front page right now!

In all fairness that's kind of a big domestic issue.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on August 02, 2007, 02:14:31 PM
Domestic, yes.  It's global, though. 

der Spiegel doesn't care, though.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on October 18, 2007, 08:52:26 AM
What?

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Cheney, Obama 'distant cousins'
They may be polar opposites politically but US Vice-President Dick Cheney and Democratic candidate Barack Obama are related, Mr Cheney's wife says.

Lynne Cheney said she had discovered while doing family research for a new book that her husband and the Illinois senator were eighth cousins.

She said she traced a common ancestor of the two men to be a 17th century immigrant from France.

She described the connection as "amazing".

"This is such an amazing American story that one ancestor... could be responsible down the family line for lives that have taken such different and varied paths."

According to Mrs Cheney's spokeswoman, Mr Obama is distantly related to Mareen Duvall, whose son Samuel married the granddaughter of Mr Cheney's ancestor, also called Richard Cheney.

Mr Obama's spokesman, Bill Burton, responded to the news by saying: "Every family has a black sheep."

Mr Cheney, the brooding neo-conservative closely associated with the decision to invade Iraq, has little else in common with Mr Obama.

Mr Obama, the son of a Kenyan man and a white woman from Kansas, has earned epithets like "rock star" because of his popularity among young Democrats, and a reputation as a liberal because of his voting record in the Senate.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on October 18, 2007, 08:57:12 AM
Dat der Cheney's a KNEE GROW!

GET MY GUN!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 18, 2007, 03:38:09 PM
The only question about Obama at this point is whether or not he'll run as VPO thereby ending any hope he'll ever have of actually becoming president by getting elected.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Cassander on October 19, 2007, 01:48:33 AM
The only question about Obama at this point is whether or not he'll run as VPO thereby ending any hope he'll ever have of actually becoming president by getting elected.

what?  it's october 2007!  we've got plenty of time for questions and plot twists.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2007, 10:47:36 PM
I love his sort of sardonic laugh at the end of it.  The intolerant "And that's my retarded daughter."

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Dear Nacho,

This is the season where many of us get to leave the pressures of daily life behind and focus on what keeps us grounded -- being together with our families.

For our family, it's been so important for us to maintain our traditions no matter how hectic life gets. Just a few weeks ago, Barack left the frenzy of the campaign trail to come home to get the Christmas tree with the girls and me.

Today, I'd like to share a special holiday greeting from our family to yours:

http://www.youtube.com/v/hmB937L0bDY&rel=1





Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on December 22, 2007, 02:29:02 AM
The only question about Obama at this point is whether or not he'll run as VPO thereby ending any hope he'll ever have of actually becoming president by getting elected.

Gore proved it could be technically done as long as, you know, you don't get fucked by a corrupt state.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 24, 2007, 12:07:24 PM
haha...I think maybe Bush Sr. proved it a little more convincingly.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 07, 2008, 08:52:17 PM
So, after two days of really paying attention to the presidential race, I think I'm definitely turning into an Obama man.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 08, 2008, 06:38:09 AM
I'm standing by my Republican Plot scenario.  Obama will be a disaster.  He'll have no support from Congress, despite the Democrat's slim "majority."  Just look at their record.  Obama will be a fresh faced nobody and Congress will swing against him out of fear, spite, or plain cowardice.  The Republicans will drop the hot potato of war and domestic turmoil in his lap and blame him when he can't turn it around after one year.  And the media will run with it.

There are many parallels to what Carter had to deal with here, and the Carter Administration was one of the top most disastrous in history.

All that said, the upsetting thing is that Obama's the only candidate who appears not to be a reptilian child-killer.  It's troubling. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 08, 2008, 10:13:40 AM
All that said, the upsetting thing is that Obama's the only candidate who appears not to be a reptilian child-killer.  It's troubling. 

In May the Libertarians will choose their candidate.  And it will most likely be...Wayne Allyn Root!?!?!

http://www.rootforamerica.com/

I may have to vote for another party this time...I don't know if I can handle the 3 name thing.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 08, 2008, 10:18:06 AM
There are many parallels to what Carter had to deal with here, and the Carter Administration was one of the top most disastrous in history.

I've read a lot of articles that have made that comparison.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 08, 2008, 02:07:27 PM
Oh-ho!


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(CNN) – On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, former President Bill Clinton criticized the media for not pressing Barack Obama more fully on Iraq, and accused the Illinois senator of shifting his position to reflect changing attitudes on the war.

"It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war," Clinton said at a campaign stop in Hanover, New Hampshire.

"And you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004. And there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since."

He added, "Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."

Clinton's wife, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, is battling Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

The former president briefly acknowledged that his wife's senior campaign advisor, Mark Penn, was mistaken to claim that Obama had no bounce out of Iowa after winning the state's caucuses because the poll numbers on the day after were relatively unchanged.

Then he abruptly changed the subject — suggesting that Obama's campaign had employed underhanded tactics.

"What did you think about the Obama thing calling Hillary the senator from Punjab? Did you like that? Or what about the Obama handout that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook. Scouring me — scathing criticism over my financial reports. Ken Starr spent $70 million and indicted innocent people to find out that I wouldn't take a nickel to see the cow jump over the moon.

"So you can take a shot at Mark Penn if you want. It wasn't his best day. He was hurt. He felt badly we didn't do better in Iowa," said Clinton. "But the idea that one of these campaigns is positive and the other is negative when I know the reverse is true — and I have seen it and I have been blistered by it for months — is a little tough to take. Just because of the sanitizing coverage that's in the media doesn't mean the facts aren't out there."

He added, lightheartedly, "Otherwise, I do not have any strong feelings about that subject."

The former president made the remarks as polls showed his wife trailing Obama in this important first-in-the-nation primary state.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on January 08, 2008, 04:00:25 PM
Whoops - I just alluded to the above article in the Tuesday thread. I still like Bill, so I'm actually wondering if he's right.

Regardless, I'm still an Obama guy.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on January 08, 2008, 04:03:25 PM
If you're under the age of 30, you should be an Obama guy.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 08, 2008, 04:08:42 PM
Oh...uh.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on January 08, 2008, 04:15:37 PM
Hahah, Nacho.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on January 08, 2008, 04:17:08 PM
Holy shit I just spotted Lucy Lawless as Mistress Vandersexxx in Eurotrip. YES
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 08, 2008, 06:34:51 PM
You know...I'm not sure if it's a good move to criticize the media in your campaigning.  Because they are...you know...the people who can make you look bad or good.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 29, 2008, 07:53:43 AM
Obama's response to the State of the Union:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/sotu

Actually comes off as pretentious and grandstanding.  Attacking Bush is like shooting fish in a barrel at this point. 

Or maybe it's just preaching to the choir since this arrived in my email.

And what's "responsible withdraw" mean?  That's spineless Pelosi Congress talk.  We will get the troops out...as soon as we can do so responsibly 25 years from now. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on January 29, 2008, 11:38:51 AM
eh... I liked his response speech, actually.  I get the same emails. 

At this point, I'm more than a little gay for Obama, I think.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 29, 2008, 11:45:03 AM
I'm now a Romney man.  "Wow, look, your baby has some bling-bling."  "Gosh!  Cuban-American women are GORGEOUS!!!"

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on January 29, 2008, 11:47:53 AM
You can't be serious.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 29, 2008, 11:53:57 AM
You can't be serious.

Who let the dogs out!


http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000904.htm

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/7957
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on January 29, 2008, 11:55:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H8Nq7BglIg

bling bling @ very end
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on January 29, 2008, 12:06:59 PM
hahaha, oh God.  What a friggin tool.

That shit is really funny though.  Who let the dogs out?  Are you serious?  Who are your campaign managers, Mitt?  Are they all 45 year old white guys?  Get someone under the age of 25 to help you relate to people for Christ's sake.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on January 29, 2008, 12:10:54 PM
most 45 year old white guys are not that fucking dumb.  At least, I would like to think so.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 29, 2008, 02:13:19 PM
Are you guyz saying that Cuban-American women are not gorgeous!?!?

Racist haterz!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 29, 2008, 02:37:51 PM
Are you guyz saying that Cuban-American women are not gorgeous!?!?

Racist haterz!

Mmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lela_Starr
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 29, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
So my co-worker's brother works for Obama -- word from inside the camp!  Obama says that, if he doesn't pull off Super Tuesday with some solid wins, then he'll drop out quickly instead of lingering on.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on January 29, 2008, 03:44:00 PM
mmkay...sufficiently vague.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on January 29, 2008, 03:54:49 PM
So my co-worker's brother works for Obama -- word from inside the camp!  Obama says that, if he doesn't pull off Super Tuesday with some solid wins, then he'll drop out quickly instead of lingering on.

Awesome; so I'll know after Super Tuesday if I'm voting Democrat.

In all seriousness, I would vote for McCain over Clinton.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on January 29, 2008, 04:39:42 PM
Awesome; so I'll know after Super Tuesday if I'm voting Democrat.

In all seriousness, I would vote for McCain over Clinton.

Really?  Wow.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 29, 2008, 04:53:33 PM
Yeah, I'm choosing not to comment on that.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on January 29, 2008, 05:11:34 PM
I honestly can't think of a single Republican candidate that I would endorse over any of the Dems currently running.  I'd probably vote for Ron Paul before going Republican.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 29, 2008, 05:16:27 PM
But what if, in a mysterious world, Ron Paul was running as a Republican?  What then?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on January 29, 2008, 05:33:57 PM
I dunno... I don't think that would make a difference to me.  He is definitely too conservative for me, though.  I don't know... maybe I would choose McCain over Ron Paul.  I certainly wouldn't choose him over Hillary though.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 29, 2008, 05:34:52 PM
Yeah, I've made my peace with Hillary.  If it must be her, so be it.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on January 29, 2008, 05:39:43 PM
I really don't understand most of the vitriol thrown at Hillary.  It seems to me that most of it has to do with something about her superficially that annoys people... she's butchy, she makes stupid faces, her voice is annoying, look at her clothes, I can't believe she didn't leave Bill... I actually had a woman tell me she hated Hillary because she's a lesbian.  She's a lesbian?  Really?  Yes... apparently she is.  If you are cheated on by your husband and don't leave him, then you = lesbian.

I could understand it if people hated Hillary over things that matter, like she's a lawyer, she's been involved in some shady legal matters, she's a career politician just like all the other candidates running for President, etc. ... but it just seems to me that a lot of people LOVE to hate Hillary just because she is Hillary and they don't need a better reason than that.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 29, 2008, 05:52:05 PM
I don't like her policies.  A Hillary presidency not only continues our dynasty angle, but means more social micromanaging.  For example, she's often spoken out against the freedoms of the internet.   

When talking with a reporter about internet regulation, she said:

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I'm a big pro-balance person. That's why I love the founders -- checks and balances; accountable power. Anytime an individual or an institution or an invention leaps so far out ahead of that balance and throws a system, whatever it might be -- political, economic, technological --out of balance, you've got a problem, because then it can lead to the oppression people's rights, it can lead to the manipulation of information, it can lead to all kinds of bad outcomes which we have seen historically. So we're going to have to deal with that.

That was years ago.  She's since morphed that into internet "Gatekeeping," a plan she's been brewing since 98 when old Bill got smashed by the Lewinsky shit.

Overall, the rest of her policies are nothing new, I suppose.  What has really driven me nuts is the way she's managed this campaign.  Her attacks against Obama are pretty shady... Well, pretty Clintonian, really.  That smug fuck you, which Bill sort of pulled off because he was Our Guy, but which Hillary turns into a sort of indignant cry.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on January 29, 2008, 07:04:11 PM
One of the problems with Hillary is that if she got the nomination, I don't think she'd be able to drive the Democrats to vote as much as someone like Obama could. I mean, I don't feel comfortable voting for her. It'd be a repeat of 2004, really.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on January 29, 2008, 11:48:19 PM
Those are all good points... I hadn't really thought of it that way.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on January 30, 2008, 01:37:34 AM
Are you mocking the spam posts we get on the front page?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on January 30, 2008, 07:30:40 AM
Thank you tyson for that post I was thinking about it last Tuesday while searching for car loans.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 01, 2008, 02:01:13 PM
anointed by the far-ish left!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/31/13759/3482/758/446724

and from moveon.org's member poll:
Vote results
Obama:    197,444     70.4%
Clinton:    83,084   29.6%
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 01, 2008, 02:09:00 PM
Interesting link...shows Edwards leading as he drops out?

I pray that this is actually what happens on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2008, 01:41:35 PM
Ho-ho!

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NEW ORLEANS (AP) – Democratic Sen. Barack Obama has raised $7.2 million for his presidential campaign since the first polls closed on Super Tuesday night, his campaign said Thursday, a remarkable figure that is causing concern among supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Meanwhile Thursday, the Clinton campaign asked Obama to debate once a week, but he demurred.

Obama, riding a wave of fundraising from large donors and small Internet contributors, also raised $32 million in January.

Starting to look like a lock.  Hillary's about to sell Chelsea just to keep the lights on.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 07, 2008, 02:13:14 PM
Oh, thank god. Obama FTW!

I also love how Hillary tried to spin the $5 million self-loan. Oh that? Oh, that's just a little bit o' petty cash to help keep building our momentum! Tee hee!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on February 07, 2008, 02:20:28 PM
Yeah, well I got an email from Obama this morning mentioning Hillary's $5 million and he said he'd raised $3 million since Super Tuesday... not $7.  He also said that Hillary and Bill could put as much as $20 million of their own money into the campaign.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2008, 02:30:47 PM
What's true doesn't matter, it's what the media says.  And, right now, they're tearing into Hillary.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 07, 2008, 02:35:45 PM
ok, I'll bite: what's wrong with a $5m self-loan?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2008, 02:37:30 PM
Nothing wrong with it.  It happens...usually much later in the campaign.  Not being able to raise money this early on is fodder for the media sharks.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on February 07, 2008, 06:12:01 PM
There's everything wrong with it. It's a perfect example of how corrupt campaign finance reform is! Only the rich can afford to run in this fucking country. It's just...here, I'll let someone else say it for me:

"We are very frustrated because we have a Supreme Court that seems determined to say that the wealthier have more right to free speech than the rest of us. For example, they say you couldn’t stop me from spending all the money I’ve saved over the last five years on Hillary's campaign if I wanted to, even though it would clearly violate the spirit of campaign finance reform," - Bill Clinton, December 24, 2007.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2008, 06:29:50 PM
See, I'm tired of the whole "only the rich can do it" thing.  That's how every Democracy/Republic has been run since BC, man.  Never been an exception. 

Only, now, they don't outright say you can only run if you have X amount of property.  The American ideal is to say anyone can climb the tree, Amen.  But that's always been a lie.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on February 07, 2008, 06:35:27 PM
Yeah, it's always been a lie. So there's nothing wrong with pointing that lie out and the Emperor's stolen everyone else's clothes.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2008, 06:42:19 PM
Only in the modern day do we need to point out a lie that's several thousand years old.  It's another way of molly-coddling ourselves instead of doing what everyone else who got fed up with the lie did to their Democracies and Republics, for better or for worse -- change them.

I'm rapidly of the mind-set that, if we're too sheepish and ignorant to understand basic things like how our personal worlds work, then we deserve what we get.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on February 07, 2008, 06:45:43 PM
Yeah, but now we're finding things out; information that wasn't easily accessible to us before or considered important by the gatekeepers. Now we know. And now we can demand something different.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2008, 06:54:30 PM
And yet we don't.  How much does it take before we finally crack and change things? 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 07, 2008, 08:28:15 PM
I think the internet has been something of a leveling force in the "only the rich have free speech". Look at what happened to Dan Rather -- stuff like that seems to happen more and more. Not that it ever ends up being anything of significance, but still.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 07, 2008, 09:48:53 PM
I think the internet has been something of a leveling force in the "only the rich have free speech". Look at what happened to Dan Rather -- stuff like that seems to happen more and more. Not that it ever ends up being anything of significance, but still.

Obama has a slick website.  I wonder who did it for him.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 08, 2008, 03:32:29 AM
As a web designer by profession and passion, I have to agree with you. His site is just awesome. Not just the design, but the layout of all the information. And his logo is a true work of art--it's amazingly versatile.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 08, 2008, 07:11:07 AM
It is pretty.

And just about everyone I know has donated, which is unusual.  That came up yesterday as I sat at work and felt my chest seize up.  Obama-obama-obama!  Even the typically uninvolved were all "I just donated 10 bucks."

Also:  sickened that NOLA is still an issue.  Not sickened by the issue, but by the fact that the issue exists after all this time.  What the fuck is wrong with us? 

Though Obama's news feed doesn't seem to care either.


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Feb 7
    Obama Highlights Plan to Build New Orleans


Feb 5
    Swept Away On A Wave Of Obama

Har-har.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 08, 2008, 08:14:41 AM
He does have quite a nice site.

A bit too American though.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 08, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
Monkey's slowly getting the hang of French humor!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 08, 2008, 12:28:31 PM
Monkey's slowly getting the hang of French humor!

Quiet, Nazi.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 08, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
Here's this weird thing:

http://www.youtube.com/v/1yq0tMYPDJQ

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7234734.stm

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 08, 2008, 05:24:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kica8hmSdAM
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 08, 2008, 05:32:34 PM
These damned coherent, informed, intelligent Obama supporters!

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on February 08, 2008, 05:33:40 PM
You guys realize he's black, right?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 08, 2008, 05:38:03 PM
Nonsense!  Black men aren't allowed out in public.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on February 08, 2008, 07:44:36 PM
That interviewer is the worst, most biased piece of shit I've heard.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 08, 2008, 10:09:38 PM
I think the internet has been something of a leveling force in the "only the rich have free speech". Look at what happened to Dan Rather -- stuff like that seems to happen more and more. Not that it ever ends up being anything of significance, but still.

Obama has a slick website.  I wonder who did it for him.

As a web designer by profession and passion, I have to agree with you. His site is just awesome. Not just the design, but the layout of all the information. And his logo is a true work of art--it's amazingly versatile.

BTW, my point was that a coordinated, slick web presence costs money.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 08, 2008, 11:45:01 PM
The man behind the website:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rospars

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 11, 2008, 09:01:32 AM
The man behind the website:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rospars



The 2008 Atticus Finch.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 11, 2008, 09:11:43 AM
Gobama!!

Take this!
http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2008/02/10/obama_wins_a_grammy_for_hope_book/
Quote
February 10, 2008

LOS ANGELES—Barack Obama topped a Clinton in another contest on Sunday -- the Grammys.

The presidential candidate beat both former Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter to win best spoken word album for his audio version of his book "The Audacity Of Hope: Thoughts On Reclaiming The American Dream."

Clinton was nominated for his book "Giving: How Each of Us Can Change the World" and Carter for "Sunday Mornings in Plains: Bringing Peace to a Changing World." Also nominated were Maya Angelou and Alan Alda.

Obama won the same award in 2006 for the audio version of his 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father."

and this "electric" speech at the Jefferson/Jackson VA Dem party fundraising dinner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tydfsfSQiYc

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 11, 2008, 09:15:17 AM
aaaand: Obama is "5 for 5" over the weekend:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/09/weekend-election-results-_n_85839.html

He currently has a "pledged" delegate lead over Clinton, but has about 100 fewer "super" delegates (party officials whose votes aren't controlled by the public's vote) so over all he's trailing by around 20 votes.

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 12, 2008, 04:39:35 PM
How do they calculate "super" delegates anyway?  Just poll the people?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 12, 2008, 04:45:14 PM
They're party leaders and/or elected people who make up the swing vote come the convention.

Unpledged delegates are just the local State representatives, but cannot be leaders of the party or an elected official.

Normal people call it cronyism.



Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 12, 2008, 04:53:42 PM
They're party leaders and/or elected people who make up the swing vote come the convention.

Unpledged delegates are just the local State representatives, but cannot be leaders of the party or an elected official.

Normal people call it cronyism.

I meant, "How do they calculate who "has" these super dupers right now?"
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 12, 2008, 04:59:54 PM
They don't know.  The vote isn't until the convention.  Superdelegates, in fact, only account for 1/5th of the vote, so they don't matter.  The term isn't even official...

What they base it on is asking the Rep or the Senator or the local chairman who they would back if the convention was now, and they say blah blah.  Bang!  A pledge!  But it's not.  They're the ones who will cast their vote this summer on the Convention floor -- and only then.  And they'll go with the majority based on the primaries.

This whole superdelegate thing is smoke and mirrors created by the press.  It has no weight on the primaries, except for what they make it out to be.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 15, 2008, 12:06:10 PM
And, so, the "superdelegates" start to swing.

From todays NY Times --

Quote
MILWAUKEE — Representative John Lewis, an elder statesman from the civil rights era and one of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s most prominent black supporters, said Thursday night that he planned to cast his vote as a superdelegate for Senator Barack Obama in hopes of preventing a fight at the Democratic convention.

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on February 15, 2008, 12:12:21 PM
Yes!  I love John Lewis.... he was in Atlanta all the time when I was growinig up.  I saw him speak a few times at my High School.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Nubbins on February 15, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
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Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 15, 2008, 01:09:31 PM
Oh, nice.

Quote
The AP reports Barack Obama "has won the backing of the United Food and Commercial Workers, a politically active union with significant membership in the upcoming Democratic battlegrounds." The support from the "1.3-million member UFCW gives Obama an organizational boost in vital March 4 contests, with 69,000 members in Ohio and another 26,000 in Texas. The two states have a large number of delegates and are where Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton hopes to stop Obama's winning streak." The union also has "19,000 members in Wisconsin, which holds a primary Tuesday." The Los Angeles Times describes the move as "a blow to" Clinton, "whose campaign had also sought the union's backing."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on February 15, 2008, 01:11:22 PM
I told ya! Can't keep the black man down forever!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 16, 2008, 10:57:53 AM
I told ya! Can't keep the black man down forever!

Well....
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on February 16, 2008, 08:14:28 PM
I would love to see monkey broiled alive in African sunlight.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 17, 2008, 02:48:12 AM
That was random.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 17, 2008, 11:15:35 AM
I would love to see monkey broiled alive in African sunlight.

Racist.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 17, 2008, 11:16:27 AM
Racist.

You wee bin hoker!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 17, 2008, 11:17:52 AM
Racist.

You wee bin hoker!

Kike.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 20, 2008, 05:27:14 PM
Quote
(CNN) – Hillary Clinton's campaign said Wednesday morning that Barack Obama is the Democratic presidential frontrunner – and the Illinois senator’s campaign said the race was just about over.

The morning after Obama won his 10th straight victory over Clinton, his campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters that the New York senator would need to win massive, double-digit victories in upcoming contests to even begin to erase her current delegate deficit.

He added that his campaign's most conservative estimate for the critical March 4 contests would still leave Obama with a lead of about 150 pledged delegates. (See CNN's latest delegate estimate here)

Clinton, Plouffe said on a morning conference call, would have to win three out of every four remaining pledged delegates to begin to be competitive in that area.

“This is a wide, wide lead right now…I am amused when the Clinton campaign continues to say: Well, it’s essentially a tie. I mean that’s just lunacy,” said Plouffe. “We have opened up a big and meaningful pledged delegate lead. They are going to have to win landslides from here on out to erase it.”
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on February 20, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
yesssssss
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 20, 2008, 05:40:34 PM
GOOOOOBAMA!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 25, 2008, 05:14:20 PM
Here's this weird thing:

http://www.youtube.com/v/1yq0tMYPDJQ

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7234734.stm



I watch this daily.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 25, 2008, 05:29:06 PM
humbug
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 25, 2008, 08:25:57 PM
I think watching that video just doubled the amount of Obama speech I've seen.  Actually, I'm not even done watching it yet.

I feel naked and very unplugged.  Is there an election going on?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 25, 2008, 08:44:14 PM
What... is... 'lection?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 25, 2008, 08:48:28 PM
where are you eligible to vote?  In Ireland, still? What would you need to vote in France?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 25, 2008, 08:58:09 PM
I think watching that video just doubled the amount of Obama speech I've seen.  Actually, I'm not even done watching it yet.

I feel naked and very unplugged.  Is there an election going on?

Says Mr. GO NADER GO RAH RAH RAH!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 25, 2008, 09:21:47 PM
I think watching that video just doubled the amount of Obama speech I've seen.  Actually, I'm not even done watching it yet.

I feel naked and very unplugged.  Is there an election going on?

Says Mr. GO NADER GO RAH RAH RAH!

When have I said that I wanted him to run, or that I'd vote for him, or that you should vote for him?  I don't think I support his quixotic run this time, but the man speaks a lot of truth.

Besides, as a non-tv owner I've read and heard on the radio quite a bit more.  Remember I said "video".  And as a registered Green Party member, I wasn't eligible to vote for or against Obama in the primaries, so it's not like I can be considered a derelict of my voter self-education duties yet.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 25, 2008, 09:29:26 PM
Well, you asked if there was an election going on (jokingly), so I assumed that meant that you were saying that you weren't following the primaries and such.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 25, 2008, 09:47:43 PM
where are you eligible to vote?  In Ireland, still? What would you need to vote in France?

Northern Ireland.

I'd need citizenship to vote in France.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2008, 10:06:26 PM
There's a student government debate tonight that isn't showing up on my TV. Unfortunately. Oh well; I only really want one party to lose. After that I don't care who assumes power.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 26, 2008, 07:25:46 AM
where are you eligible to vote?  In Ireland, still? What would you need to vote in France?

Northern Ireland.

I'd need citizenship to vote in France.

And to fit the right racial criteria while also presenting a card saying that you purchase only local food and that you despise everyone.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 26, 2008, 08:36:19 AM
where are you eligible to vote?  In Ireland, still? What would you need to vote in France?

Northern Ireland.

I'd need citizenship to vote in France.

And to fit the right racial criteria while also presenting a card saying that you purchase only local food and that you despise everyone.

My nose isn't big enough, nor are my cheeks a rosy wine-alcoholic red (yet) and I'm not sure what local food is - does the nearest supermarket count?

I hate everyone.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 28, 2008, 05:00:28 PM
how bad is this?   

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4356093&page=1
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 28, 2008, 05:18:36 PM
How bad for McCain (who, like Hillary, has turned his campaign into nothing but Attack Obama) or bad for Obama, who's saying what he's always been saying?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 28, 2008, 05:32:50 PM
See, all this talk of change is going to come back and bite Obama in the ass when he gets elected, especially if congress is deadlocked and he can't do shit.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 28, 2008, 05:40:32 PM
Or even if Congress is not deadlocked, as we've learned.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 28, 2008, 07:55:42 PM
how bad is this?  

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4356093&page=1

Al Qaeda, which wasn't in Iraq until after America invaded and occupied the country...
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 28, 2008, 09:43:54 PM
I mean,

1) can someone explain Obama's position in this case?  McCain makes a good jab here: "you'd surrender (withdraw) then re-invade?"
2) regardless of the answer, they'll try to frame Obama as a waffler.   It'll stick with some people.
3) what was obama thinking when he allowed himself to say he'd go back in if the terrrrists showed back up?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 28, 2008, 10:04:57 PM
What we're getting here is a sound byte of a very complicated problem.  McCain and Hillary have it easy with Iraq -- they want to go insane and blow it up.  Obama is following a weird sort of phased withdrawal.  It's no secret that he will pull out of Iraq, no matter what.  He's stated clearly he'll remove one or two brigades every month until no troops are in Iraq (16 months to two years).

Here's this shit:  http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf

Unless I'm mistaken, he's following the idea that al-queda is in Iraq mainly because we are and, with a military withdrawal and a boatload of cash and humanitarian aid supporting a normal Iraq government, al-queda will be marginalized.

It's kind of like a romantic fairy tale version of when we installed the Shah in Iran.

Ultimately, though Obama's plan is history repeating itself, the only option is McCain's double the troop strength and go ahead and use alien technology to annhilate everyone in Iraq, especially the children, and Hillary's plan which says she will withdraw troops RIGHT NOW! (as long as the Joint Chiefs okay it and as long as we can convince other countries to deploy an equal number of troops to replace ours).

So... You can decide.

Plan A:  Withdraw slowly over two years, flood the country with support, hope al-Queda stumbles.  If they do, good.  If not, go back in.

Plan B: Apocalypse.

Plan C: Do whatever daddy says, and could the Brits please deploy 100,000 troops tonight so we can go home and wash our hands? 


edited for spelling because I'm tired all the time.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 28, 2008, 10:24:21 PM
right.  thanks.  that clears a lot of things up for me.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on February 28, 2008, 10:25:03 PM
Just watched No End In Sight -- I hate white people.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 29, 2008, 08:10:09 AM
Oh, good.  And here's something on the topic:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/28/does-mccain-really-know-better/
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 29, 2008, 08:41:24 AM
Al Sadr will eventually be in chrage in Iraq and clean house. The question is whether he does so with our belssing or not.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 29, 2008, 10:12:03 AM
In Obamerica, he'll have or blessing as long as he doesn't commit genocide, continues to sell us oil, accepts our money and non-military advisers, and pays us lip service.  Not much to ask for, really, and I think Sadr's smart enough to know that. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on February 29, 2008, 10:33:15 AM
Oh... and doesn't threaten to change the currency of Iraqi oil into Euros.

I mean, build WMDs.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 29, 2008, 11:17:33 AM
It's Sci-Fi Channel thinking, really.  Obama's idea of a reboot for the Iraq series is to cancel it, then start it up again in a year.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on February 29, 2008, 01:21:39 PM
It's Sci-Fi Channel thinking, really.  Obama's idea of a reboot for the Iraq series is to cancel it, then start it up again in a year.

to air in England, right?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on February 29, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
No, that's Hillary's plan.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 29, 2008, 03:02:07 PM
In Obamerica, he'll have or blessing as long as he doesn't commit genocide, continues to sell us oil, accepts our money and non-military advisers, and pays us lip service.  Not much to ask for, really, and I think Sadr's smart enough to know that. 

Oh, there will be some people killed when Sadr takes the helm. The question is whether Obama glosses it over as "Al Qaeda Operatives."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on March 01, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
In Obamerica, he'll have or blessing as long as he doesn't commit genocide, continues to sell us oil, accepts our money and non-military advisers, and pays us lip service.  Not much to ask for, really, and I think Sadr's smart enough to know that. 

Oh, there will be some people killed when Sadr takes the helm. The question is whether Obama glosses it over as "Al Qaeda Operatives."

Or "Non Friendly Non Americans"
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on March 08, 2008, 07:05:35 PM
Obama's got Wyoming!

Hillary = FAIL.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2008, 07:13:45 PM
By a landslide.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on March 08, 2008, 07:15:16 PM
But the SUPERDELEGATES
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2008, 07:16:46 PM
Oh, right.  My fault.  The winner is Al Gore!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on March 08, 2008, 07:23:05 PM
Really, it nets Obama just 3 delegates more ahead of Hillary, but hey, that's three more that Hillary has to catch up to Obama.

Rock!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2008, 07:23:55 PM
He won 7 delegates.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2008, 07:24:30 PM
Haha!  And the Republicans in Wyoming voted for Romney.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on March 08, 2008, 07:34:55 PM
But they had their caucus in Jan., so it's not all that unreasonable.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2008, 08:04:31 PM
It's an Obama 2008.  I'm not concerned.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on March 10, 2008, 09:11:54 AM
I've decided I don't like Obama any more.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Reginald McGraw on March 10, 2008, 12:05:43 PM
You don't have a vote.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Matt on March 10, 2008, 01:54:16 PM
yeah, we care a lot, monkey.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: Tatertots on March 11, 2008, 03:46:52 AM
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Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on March 11, 2008, 11:01:47 AM
That's amazing.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: fajwat on March 11, 2008, 08:09:06 PM
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seconded and forwarded and quoted for great justice.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: monkey! on March 11, 2008, 09:57:33 PM
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seconded and forwarded and quoted for great justice.

Likewise but one more.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama
Post by: nacho on March 12, 2008, 09:47:16 AM
So Ole Miss changes Obama's CNN number to 1608.  Slowly pulling farther ahead of Hillary, and giving him yet another state.  We get to sit tight for 40 days now until PA.

Also:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/11/20237/6602

Glad to see some Clinton hate!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 13, 2008, 11:47:38 AM
This whole "bitter" remark has got folks all aflutter. (I bolded them below.) Call me an elitist liberal, but I don't really see what the hubbub is about.

Quote
Obama's remarks give Clinton an opening

MISHAWAKA, Ind. - A political tempest over Barack Obama's comments about bitter voters in small towns has given rival Hillary Rodham Clinton a new opening to court working class Democrats 10 days before Pennsylvanians hold a primary that she must win to keep her presidential campaign alive.
 
Obama tried to quell the furor Saturday, explaining his remarks while also conceding he had chosen his words poorly.

"If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," Obama said in an interview with the Winston-Salem (N.C.) Journal.

But the Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well.

Political insiders differed on whether Obama's comments, which came to light Friday, would become a full-blown political disaster that could prompt party leaders to try to steer the nomination to Clinton even though Obama has more pledged delegates. Clinton supporters were eagerly hoping so.

They handed out "I'm not bitter" stickers in North Carolina, and held a conference call of Pennsylvania mayors to denounce the Illinois senator. In Indiana, Clinton did the work herself, telling plant workers in Indianapolis that Obama's comments were "elitist and out of touch."

At issue are comments he made privately at a fundraiser in San Francisco last Sunday. He was trying to explain his troubles winning over some working-class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The comments, posted Friday on The Huffington Post Web site, set off a blast of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and other GOP officials, and drew attention to a potential Obama weakness — the image some have that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and aloof.

His campaign scrambled to defuse possible damage.

There has been a small "political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois, who are bitter," Obama said Saturday morning at a town hall-style meeting at Ball State University in Muncie, Ind. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through.

"So I said, well you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people, they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country."

After acknowledging his previous remarks in California could have been better phrased, he added:

"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. That's what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to."

Clinton attacked Obama's remarks much more harshly Saturday than she had the night before, calling them "demeaning." Her aides feel Obama has given them a big opening, pulling the spotlight away from troublesome stories such as former President Clinton's recent revisiting of his wife's misstatements about an airport landing in Bosnia 10 years ago.

Obama is trying to focus attention narrowly on his remarks, arguing there's no question that some working-class families are anxious and bitter. The Clinton campaign is parsing every word, focusing on what Obama said about religion, guns, immigration and trade.

Clinton hit all those themes in lengthy comments to manufacturing workers in Indianapolis.

"The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich," she said.

"I also disagree with Senator Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration," Clinton added.

"People don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them."

McCain's campaign piled on Obama, releasing a statement that also accused him of elitism.

One of Clinton's staunchest supporters, Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., acknowledged there was some truth in Obama's remarks. But he said Republicans would use them against him anyway.

At a campaign rally in Wilson, N.C., former state Democratic Party chairman and current Clinton adviser Tom Hendrickson said rural voters don't need "liberal elites" telling them what to believe.

Bill Clinton was the featured speaker of the rally but avoided commenting on Obama's remarks. When asked about it afterward, he said simply, "I agree with what Hillary said."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on April 13, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
Everyone's looking for a chink in the black man's armor.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on April 13, 2008, 11:49:40 AM
And after watching that clip, I feel like Obama has definitely lost some of his charismatic appeal to me. But he's still better than the other two turds still in the race.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 13, 2008, 11:56:57 AM
I've reached the point where I just want to have a democratic candidtate. The guy who plays Hurley on Lost will do just fine.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 15, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
Everyone's looking for a chink in the black man's armor.

Now they're trying to say China is Obama's fault?

Or is Obama China's fault?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 15, 2008, 10:17:07 AM
Everyone's looking for a chink in the black man's armor.

Now they're trying to say China is Obama's fault?

Or is Obama China's fault?

[/ monkey moment]
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2008, 03:48:01 PM
Michelle Obama on Colbert. Good fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AqmLH9z9Qw
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 16, 2008, 04:32:51 PM
She looks like a weird mix between Oprah Winfrey and Connnie Rice.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 16, 2008, 04:36:44 PM
Heh... "Tell us about your elitist upbringing in the Southside of Chicago."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 16, 2008, 08:48:22 PM
Heh... "Tell us about your elitist upbringing in the Southside of Chicago."

Tell me about Southside Chicago.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2008, 08:52:31 PM
It used to be the working class area of Chicago. Now it's the poor part of Chicago.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 16, 2008, 10:41:59 PM
Also, she's hot and cool. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on April 16, 2008, 11:58:56 PM
Her ability to roll along with Colbert makes her possibly the coolest potential first lady ever. Man, that was great.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 17, 2008, 12:14:05 AM
Also, she's hot and cool. 

Seconded.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 17, 2008, 09:03:31 AM
I don't like the cut of her gib.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on April 17, 2008, 10:01:35 AM
I figure Obama is saving his appearance on the Colbert Report for just before the final convention or once the campaigning for presidency really starts.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2008, 10:07:30 AM
I don't like the cut of her gib.

Jib.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on April 17, 2008, 10:20:57 AM
your nautical metaphor accuracy fetish intrigues me.  Sailed much?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2008, 10:25:31 AM
your nautical metaphor accuracy fetish intrigues me.  Sailed much?

Doesn't everyone know what a jib is?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 17, 2008, 10:26:10 AM
I think it's more of an English accuracy fetish.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 17, 2008, 10:36:01 AM
your nautical metaphor accuracy fetish intrigues me.  Sailed much?

Doesn't everyone know what a jib is?

Apparently not.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 17, 2008, 01:14:46 PM
your nautical metaphor accuracy fetish intrigues me.  Sailed much?

Doesn't everyone know what a jib is?

It's a mini-crane used in filmmaking to get various movement in order to communicate a sense of depth, power, and space.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2008, 01:29:01 PM
The phrase is a nautical reference.  The cut of the jib determined the nationality of 18th and 19th Century sailing vessels.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on April 17, 2008, 06:18:17 PM
I think it's more of an English accuracy fetish.

i was being more specific than English, vis a vis Nacho's history which includes a tack v tact rant.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on April 17, 2008, 09:03:23 PM
I want this man as my President.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlR9DNfqGD4
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on April 18, 2008, 12:57:14 AM
For some reason I get like four seconds thne it stops.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on April 18, 2008, 02:59:32 AM
Obama hates you.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on April 18, 2008, 10:02:18 AM
It was okay when I saw all of it.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 18, 2008, 12:25:38 PM
Jibbity jibs jabbery jibs.

Obama wears a jib to bed.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 20, 2008, 01:14:31 PM
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Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on April 21, 2008, 12:47:42 PM
(https://greatsociety.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greatsociety.org%2Fuploads%2Fuserfiles%2F8%2Fbroshoes.jpg&hash=caccfaae2d2e78b7f7606049e9212285df8c6052)

I bought that shirt for a friend of mine. :)
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 21, 2008, 04:52:02 PM
It's very sexist.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 22, 2008, 10:41:29 AM
I think that's the point monkey.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 22, 2008, 12:45:44 PM
Obama was on The Daily Show last night.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/ (http://www.thedailyshow.com/)
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 22, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
Ah, the office has finally blocked the site.  Will have to watch tonight... Was it good?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 22, 2008, 02:12:11 PM
Not really. There's a couple of funny bits, but mostly it's just Obama doing his hope for the middle class schtick.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 23, 2008, 12:31:32 AM
Hope for the middle class?

Fuck the middle class. Bourgeois cunts.

The middle class are the bane of fucking society the world around - bureaucrat pen pusher fucks.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on April 23, 2008, 12:33:18 AM
The middle class is actually one of the greatest myths of America, monkey. That and the American dream.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 23, 2008, 12:37:14 AM
We had a great middle class... And a democratic country needs a middle class.

But, today, we've lost that.  Back to the path to empire argument.  Fall of the republic, etc.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on April 23, 2008, 09:25:43 AM
The middle class is actually one of the greatest myths of America, monkey. That and the American dream.

Who said I was talking about the American Middle Class?

The world's middle class are just ass-holes in waiting. Empires are run by middle classes who jump up when the fall happens.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 30, 2008, 11:18:24 AM
Quote
Obama forcefully breaks with ex-pastor over fiery remarks
By Jeff Zeleny and Adam Nagourney
Wednesday, April 30, 2008

WINSTON-SALEM, North Carolina: Senator Barack Obama broke forcefully on Tuesday with his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., in an effort to curtail a drama of race, values, patriotism and betrayal that has enveloped his presidential candidacy at a critical juncture.

At a news conference here, Obama denounced remarks Wright made in a series of televised appearances over the last several days suggesting that the United States had been attacked because it engaged in terrorism on other people, that the government was capable of having used the AIDS virus to commit genocide against minorities and casting Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam, in a positive light.

In tones sharply different from those Obama used on Monday, when he blamed the media and his rivals for focusing on Wright, and far harsher than those he used to describe Wright during his speech on race in Philadelphia last month, the senator tried to cut all his ties to — and to discredit — his former preacher, the man who presided at Obama's marriage and baptized his two daughters.

"His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church," Obama said, his voice welling with anger. "They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs."

One week before Democratic primaries in Indiana and North Carolina, a pair of contests that party officials are watching as they try to gauge whether Obama or Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton would be the strongest Democratic nominee for president, the controversy surrounding Wright erupted once again into a threat to Obama's ability to show that he can unify the Democratic party and bring the nominating contest to a quick and clean end.

With Clinton having shown particular strength in winning among working class white voters in recent big-state primaries, the racial overtones of Obama's links with Wright have been especially troublesome for the Obama campaign.

Asked how it would affect voters who are assessing his candidacy, Obama said: "We'll find out."

At a minimum, the spectacle of Wright's multiday media tour and Obama's rolling response grabbed the attention of the most important constituency in politics now, the uncommitted superdelegates — party officials and elected Democrats — who hold the balance of power in the nominating battle.

Eileen Macoll, a Democratic county chairman from Washington State who has not chosen a candidate in the race, said that she had been stunned at the extent to which the episode had gained national attention, and that she believed it would give superdelegates pause before jumping on with Obama.

"I'm a little surprised at how much traction it is getting, and I do believe it is beginning to reflect negatively on Senator Obama's campaign," she said. "I think he's handling it very well, but I think it's almost impossible to make people feel comfortable about this."

It was the second straight day that Obama respond to Wright, a former pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, whose derisive comments about the United States government have become a fixture of cable television. Saying that he had not seen or read Wright's remarks when he responded to them on Monday, Obama said that he was "shocked and surprised" when he later read the transcripts and watched the broadcasts himself, and felt compelled to respond more forcefully.

"I'm outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday," Obama said. He added, "I find these comments appalling. It contradicts everything that I'm about and who I am."

The news conference came during what may well be the toughest stretch of Obama's campaign as he grapples with questions about Wright as well as the fallout from his defeat last week in Pennsylvania. He set out this week to reintroduce himself — trying, anew, to build a stronger connection with white working-class voters — but instead found himself competing for airtime with Wright and trying to bat away suggestions that he shared or tolerated Wright's views.

As he answered question after question here, Obama appeared downcast and subdued, rarely smiling as he tried to explain why he had decided to categorically denounce his minister of 20 years. His decision to address reporters not only stretched the story about Wright into a second day, but also marked at least the third time he has sought to deal with the issue, including his well-received speech on race last month in Philadelphia.

"The fact that Reverend Wright would think that somehow it was appropriate to command the stage for three or four consecutive days in the midst of this major debate is something that not only makes me angry, but also saddens me," Obama said.

Even amid the wall-to-wall news coverage about Wright, Obama continued to roll out new endorsements by superdelegates, winning the support of two more, including Representative Ben Chandler of Kentucky. (On Tuesday, Representative Ike Skelton of Missouri announced his support for Clinton.)

The first real evidence of whether the controversy surrounding Wright has extracted a political price could come in the Indiana and North Carolina primaries next Tuesday.

Bob Mulholland, a superdelegate from California, said that the difficult Obama has experienced had put a premium on what happens in the remaining contests.

"We've got nine elections to go through June 9," he said in an interview. "I've never been involved in a successful presidential race where the candidate had no trouble in the primary. It's challenging to him. He is a young man and this is the first time he's run for president. I see this as a learning experience."

Asked how he though Obama was doing, Mulholland paused before responding. "Getting better," he finally said.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on April 30, 2008, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: FOXNews Transcript of National Press Club
MODERATOR:  In your sermon, you said the government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.  So I ask you:  Do you honestly believe your statement and those words?

WRIGHT:  Have you read Horowitz’s book, “Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola,” whoever wrote that question?  Have you read “Medical Apartheid”?  You’ve read it?

(UNKNOWN):  Do you honestly believe that (OFF-MIKE)

WRIGHT:  Oh, are you — is that one of the reporters?

MODERATOR:  No questions -

(CROSSTALK)

WRIGHT:  No questions from the floor.  I read different things. As I said to my members, if you haven’t read things, then you can’t — based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything.

In fact, in fact, in fact, one of the — one of the responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological warfare was a non- question, because all we had to do was check the sales records.  We sold him those biological weapons that he was using against his own people.

So any time a government can put together biological warfare to kill people, and then get angry when those people use what we sold them, yes, I believe we are capable.

Do I think it's likely that the USA created HIV?  No.  Not at all, really.  If the USA wanted to create HIV, and had the technology, would they have?  Sure, yeah, I fully agree with Wright that the USA government is *morally* capable of creating something like HIV, and then (perhaps) it got somewhat out of hand.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on April 30, 2008, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: FOXNews NPC Transcript
You have said that the media have taken you out of context.  Can you explain what you meant in a sermon shortly after 9/11 when you said the United States had brought the terrorist attacks on itself? Quote, “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

WRIGHT:  Have you heard the whole sermon?  Have you heard the whole sermon?

MODERATOR:  I heard most of it.

WRIGHT:  No, no, the whole sermon, yes or no?  No, you haven’t heard the whole sermon?  That nullifies that question.

Well, let me try to respond in a non-bombastic way.  If you heard the whole sermon, first of all, you heard that I was quoting the ambassador from Iraq.  That’s number one.

But, number two, to quote the Bible, “Be not deceived.  God is not mocked.  For whatsoever you sow, that you also shall reap.”  Jesus said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you.  Those are biblical principles, not Jeremiah Wright bombastic, divisive principles.

(APPLAUSE)

MODERATOR:  Some critics have said that your sermons are unpatriotic.  How do you feel about America and about being an American?

WRIGHT:  I feel that those citizens who say that have never heard my sermons, nor do they know me.  They are unfair accusations taken from sound bites and that which is looped over and over again on certain channels.

I served six years in the military.  Does that make me patriotic? How many years did Cheney serve?

(APPLAUSE)

I really have no issue with any direct quotes, in context, from Wright.  Can anyone hit me with something you strongly disagree with that he's said?  I mean, something containing enough context (more than a couple sentences) to contain a meaningfully sized thought?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/28/transcript-rev-wright-at-the-national-press-club/

I'm really asking for modern speeches (or books) by Wright, but I'll accept lengthy quotes from old sermons as well.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 30, 2008, 02:05:00 PM
I've long considered him to be Not Important and, therefore, have no idea what this is all about. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on April 30, 2008, 02:10:05 PM
This is so fucking retarded. Fuck you, media. Who gives a fucking shit fucker cock motherfuck ass!

Seriously, it's getting way, way out of hand.

Flag lapel buttons and out-of-context hijinks, tonight, at 11!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on April 30, 2008, 02:16:27 PM
I, thankfully, missed the lapel button shenanigans, as well.

I've stopped watching the Daily Show because, while it's nice to haul the media out and make fun of them for this shit, it still feeds the fire because the faux-liberal types want to get all involved in whatever the nonsense is.  Using either approach (serious or WTF?) is fueling the fire. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on April 30, 2008, 02:19:26 PM
I, thankfully, missed the lapel button shenanigans, as well.

I've stopped watching the Daily Show because, while it's nice to haul the media out and make fun of them for this shit, it still feeds the fire because the faux-liberal types want to get all involved in whatever the nonsense is.  Using either approach (serious or WTF?) is fueling the fire. 

I just felt disconnected from the daily show, but that's an awesome explanation why.  thank you, that makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 01, 2008, 10:17:29 AM
So today's news updates us with five Indiana Congressmen backing Obama... All he needs is 288 more delegates and he's "won" the nomination.

There is hope yet in this Mighty World of Hildog!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 01, 2008, 10:19:48 AM
I don't get what the big deal is with Hillary mobilizing lower-class Democrats... we all know those people won't be allowed to participate in the REAL election, so why do they matter now?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 01, 2008, 10:21:59 AM
It's good news!  Hillary mobilizes!!!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on May 01, 2008, 12:18:21 PM
oh please oh please oh please win, Obama.  PLEEEEASE.

Maybe I should donate $25...
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 05, 2008, 10:12:07 AM
After Guam and whatever else this weekend, Obama picked up a few more.  Now only 276 to go.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 05, 2008, 10:56:33 AM
The New York Times has turned on Obama. Hillary's gonna underdog her way out of this one!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 05, 2008, 11:00:14 AM
The New York Times has turned on Obama. Hillary's gonna underdog her way out of this one!

i get that feeling too sometimes.  ugh. 

Now might be a good time to start speculating on veeps for both candidates.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 05, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
The only way she can underdog is if she steals enough delegates to block his nomination and get even.  Which means, basically, she has to win majorities in all the primaries from here on out (she needs to win 2/3rds of all remaining delegates just to block him). 

If he crosses the mythical magical number, then, like McCain, it's a presumed nomination.  And the delegates have never gone against the majority.  This is a done deal.

Since the two of them have refused to be running mates, we can have some fun thinking of VP's.  I think Edwards is the answer, for both candidates.  The Smiler!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 05, 2008, 11:07:23 AM
Edwards would be the best choice for Obama since it would go miles to combat the supposed perceived inability of Obama to draw lower-class white people to the table.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 05, 2008, 11:12:58 AM
Edwards would be the best choice for Obama since it would go miles to combat the supposed perceived inability of Obama to draw lower-class white people to the table.

I'm not disagreeing, but wasn't he the one with aerial photos of his $11mil mansion in the woods?

EDIT: link

http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=3848
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 05, 2008, 11:22:19 AM
Oh, fajwat, that's so 2004!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 05, 2008, 11:47:22 AM
what Nacho said. Also, Edwards has been carefully constructing himself as a man of the people while really being The Man, so he's perfect for everyone and paradigmatic of American politics.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 05, 2008, 02:28:52 PM
I think either Hildawg or Obama will pull someone out of left field.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 05, 2008, 02:40:14 PM
That would be a crazy thing to do since, technically, they're from left field.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 05, 2008, 04:44:46 PM
I didn't mean "left" as in "liberal." I meant "left" as in "Who the fuck is that guy?"
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 05, 2008, 05:08:13 PM
Rev Wright.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 05, 2008, 05:47:30 PM
I didn't mean "left" as in "liberal." I meant "left" as in "Who the fuck is that guy?"

Me , too.  Though less "who the fuck is that guy" and more "first woman and black man."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 05, 2008, 06:00:11 PM
Oprah.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on May 06, 2008, 08:35:28 AM
Rosie O' Donnell.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 06, 2008, 09:48:06 AM
For fuck's sake, when does this all end again?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 06, 2008, 09:48:31 AM
And why does my hatred of Clinton increase the more I watch old clips of her on The Daily Show?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 06, 2008, 09:50:54 AM
For fuck's sake, when does this all end again?

In November, when we all start gearing up for 2012.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on May 06, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
And why does my hatred of Clinton increase the more I watch old clips of her on The Daily Show?

Because she's the only thing worse than McCain.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 06, 2008, 03:57:03 PM
Seriously... If you want to have a liberal domestic policy and be comfortable at home, go for McCain. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on May 06, 2008, 06:53:38 PM
You mean the guy who sang "Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran"?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 06, 2008, 07:38:25 PM
Iran, contrary to the hopes of certain people, is not part of our domestic policy.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on May 06, 2008, 08:10:25 PM
Oh, right. You said domestic, I saw foreign. I'm blind, I think. Still, the last thing we need is a guy who resembles Bush in all foreign policy aspects.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 06, 2008, 08:59:58 PM
On that, I agree.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on May 06, 2008, 11:45:54 PM
You guys should just get Tony Blair to be your President for 4 years.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 06, 2008, 11:47:50 PM
Didn't we do that with Clinton?  And, later, Bush.    Gosh, Tony went both ways.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on May 06, 2008, 11:54:38 PM
Didn't we do that with Clinton?  And, later, Bush.    Gosh, Tony went both ways.

I said "be" not "give head to."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on May 07, 2008, 10:49:46 AM
NBC's Russert: Obama has the nomination
   
Video: In the wake of the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, Tim Russert, moderator of "Meet the Press," tells TODAY's Matt Lauer that "we now know who the Democratic nominee is going to be and nobody is going to dispute it."

 vduel  :badgrin: :sissies: :pokemonrocks: :cthulhu: :cop:
:bounce: :compress: :salute: :laughing5: :laughing6: :laughing9:
 :kermit: :jerk: :love3: :sign8: :3some: :love5: :love4: :notworthy:
 :naka: :notworthy: :occasion1: :occasion9::occasion5:
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 07, 2008, 10:54:11 AM
I guess Russert was the first to get bored with the news coverage?
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Post by: Matt on May 07, 2008, 10:54:45 AM
First journalist, that is; they're not normal people because I think the average American citizen got bored with this a month ago.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 07, 2008, 11:00:19 AM
A month ago?  Try last December!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 07, 2008, 11:08:16 AM
Politicalmachine.com sums it up, as well.

Quote
Do the Democrats finally have their candidate? Clinton supporters may say no, there's plenty of fight left... but even if she ekes out a win in Indiana it's hard to imagine it being enough to convince any undecided superdelegates that the will of the people is behind her. Hillary trails in the popular vote and the delegate count. She's also broke. Now she has canceled her morning TV appearances. Is she retreating to the bunker to come up with a new battle plan, or to write her surrender speech?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on May 07, 2008, 11:12:23 AM
SURRENDER!  DO IT HILLARY!

Surely she's still got a shred of concern for the Democratic party left in her.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 07, 2008, 11:17:44 AM
Wonkette's blog today suggests that Hillary is a space monster.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 07, 2008, 11:41:44 AM
Your defeat has come, Hillary. Honor demands your seppeku.
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Post by: nacho on May 07, 2008, 12:56:16 PM
Quote
The first big superdelegate name to declare in the wake of Hillary Clinton's disappointing showing last night. Get ready. The flood is coming. Barack Obama heads to Washington D.C. tomorrow to talk to uncommitted superdelegates.

No doubt there are more than a few supers who'd like Hillary to make their decision a moot point. Geroge McGovern, the former Senator from South Dakota, as well as a former Hillary supporter and friend of the Clintons, doesn't appear to be content to wait.

McGovern had previously endorsed Clinton, so that means a loss in the superdelegate column for Hillary, and a pick-up for Obama. The message is pretty clear.
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Post by: Matt on May 07, 2008, 01:01:19 PM
It's like a Mortal Kombat fatality. "FINISH HER!!!"
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on May 07, 2008, 03:39:27 PM
At this point, she's doing absolutely nothing but continuing to harm the Democratic party. If she concedes, she should start working with Obama to reunify the party. Nothing would reunify the party like an Obama/Clinton ticket. If it's Obama with Clinton, Gore, or Edwards, they'll be pretty much unstoppable.

But, knowing the Democrats and Hillary, that's not going to happen. McCain/Insane Guy '08!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 07, 2008, 03:43:32 PM
Obama doesn't need Hillary to win.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on May 07, 2008, 03:47:13 PM
I was listening to Stephanie Miller on Washington Post radio, and both Jim Webb and Wesley Clark were thrown out as possible Obama running mates.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 07, 2008, 03:49:08 PM
It might harm the dems and it might not.  I can see some very positive effects of Hillary not giving up.
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Post by: nacho on May 07, 2008, 03:50:07 PM
It might harm the dems and it might not.  I can see some very positive effects of Hillary not giving up.

Such as?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 07, 2008, 03:56:01 PM
* The Dems are front and center in the press, while McCain is largely ignored.
* Maybe Dems will remember how to fight for an election and 'count every vote' like they've said but not practiced for 8 years.
* People are getting and staying involved.  A good fight might be just what we needed.

Some people are presuming that all the dirt will stick, none of the triumph will prevail, and no one will have any make-up sex afterward.  I really doubt it, but even if that's true I still see how the good might outweigh the bad.

And the worst case scenario?  The dems imploding?  I doubt it.  I really really really doubt it.  But bring that motherfucker on -- I'd love it.

--a member of The Green Party who expects to vote for Obama in the fall
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Post by: nacho on May 07, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
* The Dems are front and center in the press, while McCain is largely ignored.

Because the Republicans did a normal primary season and got a nominee, but Obama and Hillary are reenacting their favorite scenes from the worst soap operas ever aired.  Of course they're front and center.  McCain is also playing his cards close to the vest.  He doesn't need to be in the news...he needs to be building a massive war chest for the fall.  Which he's doing.  Traditionally, we'd have presumptive candidate by now, and they would either be rallying against the incumbent or, in an open election, going somewhat to ground to get cash cash cash.


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* Maybe Dems will remember how to fight for an election and 'count every vote' like they've said but not practiced for 8 years.

You shoot this one down yourself.

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* People are getting and staying involved.  A good fight might be just what we needed.

This is in-fighting.  It's not a good fight.  a good fight AGAINST McCain/the Bush Regime is just what we need.  But we're not getting it.  And by the time we get to motherfucking August, we'll despise Obama AND Hillary equally.  Most folks are starting to do that now.

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 07, 2008, 04:59:38 PM
So, in general, I like Obama (I won't vote for him...but whatever)

But when I read this, I start to kind of not:

"This fall we intend to march forward as one Democratic Party, united by a common vision for this country. Because we all agree that at this defining moment in history -- a moment when we're facing two wars, an economy in turmoil, a planet in peril -- we can't afford to give John McCain the chance to serve out George Bush's third term. We need change in America"

Really?  Do you need to make moronic comments like that?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 07, 2008, 05:03:17 PM
* The Dems are front and center in the press, while McCain is largely ignored.

Because the Republicans did a normal primary season and got a nominee, but Obama and Hillary are reenacting their favorite scenes from the worst soap operas ever aired.  Of course they're front and center.  McCain is also playing his cards close to the vest.  He doesn't need to be in the news...he needs to be building a massive war chest for the fall.  Which he's doing.  Traditionally, we'd have presumptive candidate by now, and they would either be rallying against the incumbent or, in an open election, going somewhat to ground to get cash cash cash.


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* Maybe Dems will remember how to fight for an election and 'count every vote' like they've said but not practiced for 8 years.

You shoot this one down yourself.

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* People are getting and staying involved.  A good fight might be just what we needed.

This is in-fighting.  It's not a good fight.  a good fight AGAINST McCain/the Bush Regime is just what we need.  But we're not getting it.  And by the time we get to motherfucking August, we'll despise Obama AND Hillary equally.  Most folks are starting to do that now.

You're presuming more than I would.  Parts are bad, parts are good.  You keep reiterating the bad parts but I'm not convinced they overshadow what could be positives.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 07, 2008, 05:04:19 PM
Really?  Do you need to make moronic comments like that?

Which part don't you like?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 08, 2008, 08:56:24 AM
Then describe the good parts for me.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on May 08, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
I think an Obama/Nader ticket would be good.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 08, 2008, 12:51:59 PM
Really?  Do you need to make moronic comments like that?

Which part don't you like?

This part: "we can't afford to give John McCain the chance to serve out George Bush's third term."

Upon further reflection, I guess I understand it.  He's still fighting for the nomination, so he needs to say divisive things to spur his party on or something.  I'm tired of this hyper-polarized life, where every issue has to have a political slant.  I'd rather someone say, "It's time to move forward and stop reflecting on the past.  Let's get out of Iraq, let's fix the economy, let's rebuild our credibility on the world stage."  As opposed to "Vote for me, I'm not Bush!  But McCain is!" 

It's just the kind of disappointing moment for me that confirms that he'll be like every other politician. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 08, 2008, 12:58:23 PM
Come on, Reggie. Even McCain is going to be running on an "I'm not Bush" platform.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 08, 2008, 01:31:41 PM
That sucks and I hate everything.
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Post by: nacho on May 08, 2008, 03:46:19 PM
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    Today, in the wake of the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, the Obama campaign is announcing three new superdelegates: Jerry Meek, chairman of the North Carolina Democratic Party, Jeanette Council, a member of the D.N.C. from North Carolina and Inola Henry, a member of the D.N.C. from California. […]

    These endorsements brings the total number of superdelegates to endorse Mr. Obama to 261, according to the campaign’s tally. He is 170 delegates away from securing the Democratic nomination.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 08, 2008, 04:23:03 PM
Is the endgame nigh?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on May 08, 2008, 06:05:29 PM
I think the rub is that Hilary can win WVa easily, as predicted, and when she does that, she'll continue her insane prolonging of the inevitable. She'll yammer on and on about how her win there is the biggest win EVAR and she should totally be the nominee despite the fact that she leads in no meaningful metrics. Obama has to get as close as possible to shut her down.

I really can't believe she hasn't stopped the blood-letting yet. Jesus. She's like Bush in denial about Iraq. Just the kind of candidate we don't need.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 08, 2008, 06:12:33 PM
West Virginia can be surprising.  The north is fairly conservative, the south is staunchly democratic.  Traditionally, the north has decided which way the state goes.  They're responsible for the creation of West Virginia in the first place.  They're the Yankees.

And, you know, they didn't like Clinton too much during his second term.  Hillary carries that with her as she goes into the state. The southern counties will split, but I bet the northern democrats go Obama.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on May 08, 2008, 08:00:43 PM
Stop reciting facts, Nacho. Haven't you paid any attention to the media coverage of this election so far?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 09, 2008, 12:24:26 AM
Har, har.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 09, 2008, 09:10:52 AM
West Virginia can be surprising.  The north is fairly conservative, the south is staunchly democratic.  Traditionally, the north has decided which way the state goes.  They're responsible for the creation of West Virginia in the first place.  They're the Yankees.

And, you know, they didn't like Clinton too much during his second term.  Hillary carries that with her as she goes into the state. The southern counties will split, but I bet the northern democrats go Obama.

I'll be checking the CNN touch screen to see if you're right.  If not...your kitty dies!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on May 09, 2008, 09:13:21 AM
West Virginia can be surprising.  The north is fairly conservative, the south is staunchly democratic.  Traditionally, the north has decided which way the state goes.  They're responsible for the creation of West Virginia in the first place.  They're the Yankees.

And, you know, they didn't like Clinton too much during his second term.  Hillary carries that with her as she goes into the state. The southern counties will split, but I bet the northern democrats go Obama.

I'll be checking the CNN touch screen to see if you're right.  If not...your kitty dies!

You're going to masturbate?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 09, 2008, 10:34:21 AM
Now leading with super dels:

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By ABC's count, that gives Obama 267 supers, while Clinton has 256. Later this morning, Clinton edged back with the endorsement of Pennsylvania Rep. Chris Carter, so it looks as though she only trails now by 1 superdelegate.

My hunch is that many supers were waiting to see if Clinton was going to make a graceful exit from the race. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Therefore, she has put many reluctant supersdelegates in the position of having to do the dirty work.

How dire is Hillary's situation? She is now asking reluctant superdelgates for their secret allegiance. If your supporters won't publicly declare their support, you know you're in trouble.

Well, the fat lady, she has ditched the sotto voce and is belting it out loudly for all to hear.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 09, 2008, 12:39:45 PM
If the fat lady is singing, then the hills are alive with the sound of music.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on May 09, 2008, 12:52:21 PM
If the fat lady is singing, then the hills are alive with the sound of music.

Ergo Austria is full of Nazis.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on May 14, 2008, 11:40:25 AM
It's lucky to be black!

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That is in Marietta... I grew up in Marietta.  I am so ashamed.  I hate it when people generalize about Southerners because I am a Southerner and I don't feel like those generalizations are fair based on my experiences in Atlanta... and then shit like this happens.  Fucking ridiculous.

Quote from: AJC.com
Group protests Cobb bar, calls Obama T-shirts racist

By CHRISTIAN BOONE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 05/13/08
 
Marietta bar owner Mike Norman says the T-shirts he's peddling, featuring a look-a-like of cartoon chimp Curious George peeling a banana, with "Obama in '08" underneath, are not meant to offend.

Norman acknowledged the imagery's Jim Crow roots but said he sees nothing wrong with depicting a prominent African-American as a monkey, "We're not living in the (19)40's," he said. "Look at him . . . the hairline, the ears — he looks just like Curious George."

About a dozen prostestors rallied against the shirts Tuesday afternoon, condemning them as racist and asking Norman, longtime proprietor of Mulligan's Bar and Grill on Roswell Street, to stop selling them.

Marietta native Pam Lindley, 47, joined the protest after reading about the controversy online.

"I don't want people to think this is what Marietta is all about," she added, motioning towards the tavern. "This is what some people think the South is still like. Marietta's come a long way but I guess it's still got a little ways to go."

She said she'd like to see the city ban Norman's provocative musings regularly posted on a sign out front of the bar, which is near Marietta's downtown square. The loosely formed coalition of civil rights activists who gathered Tuesday say they will continue their campaign against Norman's "hate speech."

But his defenders are just as resolute. Mulligan's is a refuge, they say, in an otherwise hypersensitive world. Here, smoking isn't only allowed, it's expected.

"This place is a diamond in the rough," said Gene McKinley, a Woodstock engineer. "People here are genuine and honest. It's the one place I can go without having to worry if I'm offending someone."

Norman said he's been he's been fielding calls throughout the day about his T-shirts, which he began selling in late April. "One guy in New Jersey wanted me to send him 100 shirts," said Norman, 63.

He said he noted physical similarities between the Democratic frontrunner and the cartoon monkey while watching a Curious George movie with his grandchildren.

Someone — "probably a customer, I don't know" — from Arkansas sent him the shirts, Norman says. He has no plans to mass market them.

Not that's he's bowing to pressure. The Tennessee native figures he's providing a public service of sorts, reminding people they have a right to offend.

"This is my marketing tool," he said.

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on May 14, 2008, 05:02:11 PM
That is in Marietta... I grew up in Marietta.  I am so ashamed.  I hate it when people generalize about Southerners...

Quote from: AJC.com
Group protests Cobb bar, calls Obama T-shirts racist

Norman said he's been he's been fielding calls throughout the day about his T-shirts, which he began selling in late April. "One guy in New Jersey wanted me to send him 100 shirts," said Norman, 63.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on May 14, 2008, 07:07:31 PM
Oh, snap!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/edwards.obama/index.html

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Edwards to endorse Obama

Story Highlights
Edwards will endorse Obama at campaign event in Michigan
Ex-rival's endorsement could help Obama capture white working-class vote
Edwards dropped out of race in January; both Obama and Clinton sought backing

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Democratic presidential nominee John Edwards will endorse Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday at a campaign event in Grand Rapids, Michigan, according to Obama's campaign.

Edwards dropped out of the Democratic race in January 30 after poor showings in the early contests, in which he racked up just 26 delegates to the party's August nominating convention in Denver.

He told NBC last week that Obama, the Democratic front-runner, is the party's likely nominee. Both Obama and the his rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, had sought Edwards' blessing.

Edwards said last week that it was "fine" for Clinton to continue making her case but expressed concern that a continued campaign could damage the party's prospects in November.

Wednesday's endorsement could help Obama reach out to white blue-collar voters, a demographic that Obama has failed to capture, most notably in the recent Pennsylvania and West Virginia primaries.

Edwards had campaigned on the message that he was standing up for the little guy, the people who are not traditionally given a voice in Washington, and that he would do more to fight special interests.

After dropping out of the race, Edwards asked both Clinton and Obama to make poverty a central issue in the general election and a future Democratic administration, something both agreed to do.

An endorsement from Edwards, who ran as vice president on Sen. John Kerry's ticket in the 2004 presidential election, would have a significant impact on the race, Democratic strategist Peter Fenn said after Edwards dropped out.

"You could make an argument that the change issue does benefit Barack Obama, that he picks up that support. You could also make the argument that there's a lot of support out there amongst people that will go to Hillary," he said. "The big issue here is who will he endorse."

Some political pundits predicted that Edwards' supporters are more likely to lean in Obama's direction.

"The conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama will pick up maybe 60 percent of them, and in some places, that makes a huge difference," former presidential adviser David Gergen said in January.

Time magazine's Joe Klein contends that Clinton "represents a lot of the things that [Edwards] campaigned against, you know, the old Washington Democratic establishment that he believes got too close to the corporations in the '90s."

Edwards announced that he was dropping out in New Orleans, Louisiana, the same city where he declared his run for the 2008 Democratic presidential race.

"It is time for me to step aside so that history can blaze its path," he said.

With his wife, Elizabeth, and children at his side, Edwards said he couldn't predict "who will take the final steps to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue," but he said it would be a Democrat.

Edwards trailed Clinton and Obama in the early contests, including a third-place finish in Florida's primary with 14 percent of the votes. He also came in third in key races in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Klein said Edwards played a positive role in spurring his competitors during the early part of the campaign.

"On a lot of substantive issues like health insurance, he was the first one out of the box with a very ambitious universal plan, and I think he forced the others to become bolder in a lot of their policy prescriptions, energy dependence and so on," Klein said.

John Edwards is a South Carolina native with an undergraduate degree from North Carolina State University and law degree from the University of North Carolina.

Before entering politics, winning a Senate seat from North Carolina in 1998, Edwards was a lawyer representing families "being victimized by powerful interests," according to his campaign Web site.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on May 14, 2008, 07:52:55 PM
FUCK YEAH BABY GRAB YOUR GUN 'CAUSE WE GOIN HILLARY SHOOTIN
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on May 14, 2008, 08:38:29 PM
Hillary also started talking about how her supporters shouldn't defect to McCain. So, is she beginning the run for VP?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 14, 2008, 08:46:13 PM
Wait... Obama's black?!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on May 14, 2008, 10:24:52 PM
Obama - haven't they caught him yet?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 14, 2008, 10:37:12 PM
Not till the low speed white SUV chase ends 79 minutes from now.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Cassander on May 16, 2008, 01:08:13 AM
what i loved about the Edwards endorsement speech is that obama was on stage the entire time on a stool.  I wish he'd had a wireless mic in his hand the whole time and just offered a few "true dat"s and "that's what i'm talkin' bout!"s from time to time through Edwards' seemingly hour long speech. 

sub-topic: was edwards' endorsement speech planned to be an Obama 2006 Demo Convention style speech?  it seemed he covered everything from poverty to party unity to why Mars Volta is cool, but still a little too intelligent to be significant 10 years from now to workers rights. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on May 16, 2008, 07:33:32 AM
Glad to have Cass back so there's actually one person who watches things like that endorsement speech.

I get all my news whilst screaming through 400 hits on Google Reader each morning.
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Post by: nacho on May 29, 2008, 12:42:05 PM
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/05/29/murdoch-obama-will-win/


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Rupert Murdoch, the conservative media giant, sees a Barack Obama presidency in our country's future. And he's not unhappy about it, either. Via The Huffington Post, Murdoch is quoted thusly regarding the Illinois Senator:


    "He is a rock star. I love what he is saying about education. I think he will win and I am anxious to meet him."


So what about the other guy?


    "McCain is a friend of mine. But I think he's got a lot of problems. He has been in Congress a long time, and you have to make a lot of compromises. So what's he really stand for?... I think he has a lot of problems."


Go figure. Murdoch has a case of Obamamania. Once again, the media conspiracy rears its ferocious head. And there's more from Reuters.
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Post by: fajwat on May 29, 2008, 04:31:21 PM
hah.  Murdoch is an Obama Girl.
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Post by: Tatertots on May 29, 2008, 09:49:17 PM
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Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 04, 2008, 09:43:48 PM
Obama's speaking at Nissan Pavilion tomorrow and Mrs. RC and I are going.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 10, 2008, 04:43:41 PM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,555437,00.html

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Obamamania Infects Germany

By Ralf Beste

Berlin political circles -- both liberal and conservative -- are fawning over US presidential candidate Barack Obama. Many in Germany see him as a cross between John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr., but expectations may be exaggerated.

Frank-Walter Steinmeier had hoped to meet personally, but Barack Obama has a lot on his plate at the moment and Germany's foreign minister had to make do with a telephone conversation with the presidential candidate during his recent visit to Washington. Still, that's all it took to stir Steinmeier's enthusiasm for the candidate.

The American may be deep in the midst of a campaign, but members of Steinmeier's entourage told SPIEGEL that Obama's foreign policy questions were very engaged, and he peppered his conversation with questions about the German foreign minister's views on Russia, Iran and Afghanistan.

The conversation lasted about 15 minutes and was very focused. Obama's rhetorical "cruising altitude," was apparently quite high, an advisor to Steinmeier said. At the end of the conversation, the Democratic presidential candidate promised to come to Germany as soon as possible.

The few minutes spent on the telephone gave Steinmeier the impression that Obama is prepared to fundamentally reconsider the course of US foreign policy. Steinmeier was impressed, and only a day later he publicly outed himself as the senator's latest fan. "Yes we can," the minister, not known for his emotional outbursts, chanted, evoking Obama's campaign slogan during a speech at Harvard University. Steinmeier used the term to express his desire for a renewal of trans-Atlantic relations.

'Germany Is Obamaland'

But the foreign minister hasn't been alone in his admiration for the candidate -- Berlin has been teeming with Obamamania for weeks now. Even conservatives are taken by the Democrat. After the Bush era, Chancellor Angela Merkel of the conservative Christian Democrats can easily imagine working together with a liberal Democrat in the White House. And Norbert Röttgen, chief whip for the Christian Democrats in parliament, sees Obama as the messenger of a new wave of politics that could also provide a model for Germany.

"Germany is Obamaland," says Karsten Voigt, the German government's coordinator for trans-Atlantic relations. He says Germans see the African-American senator as a kind of "mixture of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr."

People are projecting their hopes and dreams on Obama, adds Constanze Stelzenmüller of the German Marshall Fund in Berlin. He's perceived here as peace-loving and cooperative, and those are the kind of traits Germans admire in a foreign politician.

Obama's Republican contender John McCain is viewed with greater skepticism in Berlin, where the 71-year-old Vietnam veteran is considered by many to be a Cold War relic. McCain, for example, announced that he wanted to kick Russia out of the G-8 and instead found a "League of Democracies" that, in emergencies, could also circumvent the United Nations around the world. Those aren't the kind of words that get a warm welcome in Germany.

McCain is not an unknown quantity in Germany, either. As a dyed in the wool trans-Atlanticist, he regularly participates in the annual Munich Security Conference. The senator has a reputation there for his sharp attacks against German politicians -- his fits of rage are feared and his political positions are known because of the numerous debates he has taken part in.

Obama, though, is less known. The best even the most dialled-in US experts in Berlin have managed is a handshake with the senator. He routinely denies requests from members of the German parliament to visit with him in Washington. Most of the information they have on Obama comes either from YouTube films or the papers. "Obama has no relationship with Europe whatsoever," said Hans-Ulrich Klose, the foreign policy spokesman for the center-left Social Democrats.

Still, if Obama becomes president, many Germans are hoping for a political honeymoon that lasts for at least a few months. Veteran diplomats believe there will be a "window of opportunity" that will make new initiatives possible.

But most believe the honeymoon won't last too long, experts agree. "The Germans' hopes are almost excessive," says government coordinator Voigt. "Some trans-Atlantic problems won't simply disappear because Obama is president." Obama, too, he said, would be willing to deploy troops without first getting permission from the United Nations.

"Disappointment with Obama is a foregone conclusion," added the German Marshall Fund's Stelzenmüller.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 10, 2008, 05:29:11 PM
Thank heavens he has the German vote!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on June 11, 2008, 05:07:31 PM
what. the. fuck.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66787

1. Fear/attack: Obama might not actually be a "naturally born US citizen", depending on the exact circumstances of his birth.  At issue is whether he was born in Kenya or the US (Hawaii is claimed).  Obama has declined to release his birth certificate for confirmation.
2. If he was born in Hawaii, he basically isn't a legal citizen, since his mom was only 18 she wasn't allowed to birth US citizens outside the country.  (She would have had to live in the US between ages 18 and 23 before being qualified to birth US citizens on non-US soil.)
3. McCain already went through a similar (but much weaker) ordeal proving his natural born US citizenship beyond a reasonable doubt, so **congress passed a resolution declaring him natural born**.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 11, 2008, 05:37:02 PM
Yeah, that's been the big rumbling.  Obama the fraud.  And with Obama refusing to release the birth certificate, it's looking like a Hillary nomination after all!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 11, 2008, 06:09:07 PM
what. the. fuck.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66787

1. Fear/attack: Obama might not actually be a "naturally born US citizen", depending on the exact circumstances of his birth.  At issue is whether he was born in Kenya or the US (Hawaii is claimed).  Obama has declined to release his birth certificate for confirmation.
2. If he was not born in Hawaii, he basically isn't a naturally born US citizen, since his mom was only 18 she wasn't allowed to birth US citizens outside the country.  (She would have had to live in the US between ages 18 and 23 before being qualified to birth US citizens on non-US soil.)
3. McCain already went through a similar (but much weaker) ordeal proving his natural born US citizenship beyond a reasonable doubt, so **congress passed a resolution declaring him natural born**.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on June 11, 2008, 06:12:56 PM
Right; if he was born outside the US his mother wasn't considered a seasoned enough US citizen (according to US law between 1952 and 1986) to birth US citizens outside the country.  Thanks for fixing my typo.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 11, 2008, 06:18:15 PM
Where the anti-Obama blogs are trying to get him is the vague wording of that (now defunct) law -- she wasn't a US citizen for long enough after the age of 16 to qualify.

But, of course, the law was thrown out in 86...   And that's a pretty wacky interpretation of it, anyway.

But then Obama campaign is starting to behave like someone spiked the Gatorade.

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 11, 2008, 06:26:47 PM
If this goes anywhere...it's insane.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 11, 2008, 06:33:15 PM
Bets on the table!  I say it'll see the light of day in the mainstream media.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on June 11, 2008, 06:34:00 PM
FOCKS News counts, right?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 11, 2008, 06:36:39 PM
Sure does.  And with CNN reporting on bowel movements, I wouldn't be surprised if this jumped...
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on June 11, 2008, 06:44:47 PM
Thank heavens he has the German vote!

It shall save him from being crushed.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on June 11, 2008, 07:57:55 PM
Oh fuck.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: monkey! on June 11, 2008, 09:06:36 PM
Oh fuck.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on June 11, 2008, 09:28:41 PM
I'm still blown by the fact that congress formally decreed McCain's natural born citizenship.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 11, 2008, 09:50:46 PM
That's not much of an argument, really.  The Canal Zone was a territory of the US.  So saying he's not a citizen is like saying someone from Puerto Rico or Guam is not a citizen.

Or, in fact, it's like saying I'm not a citizen because I was born in DC.

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 11, 2008, 09:56:03 PM
By the way, the fact that McCain's citizenship gained ground makes me worry that Obama's will, as well.  Because the McCain argument was just as asinine.  Yes, the Canal Zone was dissolved in 1979... But that doesn't change the fact that he was born while it was still US territory (1936). And he was born on a military base, to boot.  So even if you want to fight the Canal Zone's legitimacy (and, again, I draw the DC parallel), then he was still on US territory.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on June 11, 2008, 10:50:45 PM
What you said.  And of course McCain has the ALL AMERICAN PIE ZOMG WAR HERO MUST BE AMERICAN FLAG FLAG FLAG (oh yeah, and WHITE!!) thing going for him.  I'm trying to picture congress -- let alone the public -- knighting Obama as American, especially if the murkiness pans out.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 11, 2008, 10:58:26 PM
I'm trying to picture congress -- let alone the public -- knighting Obama as American, especially if the murkiness pans out.

And, there it is.  You just summed up how this retarded blog nonsense can destroy Obama.  This can easily be the first death stroke.  Not Johnson or Augusto Retardo.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 12, 2008, 06:50:48 PM
Could have sworn I posted this somewhere...

The "Fight the Smears" website:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on June 12, 2008, 06:57:08 PM
Yeah, it's a very, very smart idea. Obama will not be swiftboated!

Of course, there's always the backwater ignorant slime who believe everything they hear on Fox, so it's not like Obama's efforts will nullify smear tactics. But still, it's a great way to set the record straight on the retarded kinds of things that could (and have) murdered campaigns.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on June 12, 2008, 09:01:01 PM
shut up, whiteys.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on June 12, 2008, 09:21:41 PM
Honkey!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 18, 2008, 05:13:05 PM
I think we need to vote Obama just because he has the hotter wife.

http://www.youtube.com/v/59twO1fJwtQ&hl=en
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on June 18, 2008, 05:15:26 PM
She's going to be in this month's Playboy as well.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 18, 2008, 06:45:25 PM
She'll be the hottest first lady ever. No doubt.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 18, 2008, 08:56:42 PM
Hotter than Jackie O?  I think not.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on June 18, 2008, 09:08:21 PM
She's so cool. Man, I love that. Terrorist fist bump!
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 18, 2008, 09:26:50 PM
Hotter than Jackie O?  I think not.

Oh, but I think you're wrong.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on June 18, 2008, 09:27:54 PM
It's a toss-up, almost. But Jackie's got the retro thing going on, so that's a plus in her favor.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 18, 2008, 09:30:19 PM
Michelle Obama is a bit less stuffy though that's probably due to the times as much as anything else.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on June 18, 2008, 09:31:28 PM
I thought all white people in politics were stuffy? If Christina Aguilera were a politician or a politician's wife, she'd be stuffy, somehow.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on June 18, 2008, 09:49:22 PM
Every time I see 'terrorist fist bump" I'm thrown into a frothing rage.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 19, 2008, 09:00:29 AM
Really? I think it's hilarious. Old people attempting to assimilate youth culture (and thereby killing it) is always a riot.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 19, 2008, 10:30:38 AM
"I support a robust system of public financing of elections, but you know I'd rather be able to spend this $265 million."

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Obama opts out of public campaign finance system

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday he'll bypass the federal public financing system in the general election, abandoning an earlier commitment to take the money if his Republican rival did as well.

Obama, who set records raising money in the primary election, will forgo more than $84 million that would have been available to him in the general election. He would be the first candidate to do so since Congress passed 1970s post-Watergate campaign finance laws. Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee in waiting, has taken steps to accept the public funds in the general election.

Obama officials said they decided to take that route because McCain is already spending privately raised funds toward the general election campaign. Obama has vastly outraised McCain, however, and would likely retain that advantage if McCain accepts the public money.

The public finance system is paid for with the $3 contributions that taxpayers can make to the presidential fund in their tax returns.

"It's not an easy decision, and especially because I support a robust system of public financing of elections," Obama told supporters in a video message Thursday. "But the public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken, and we face opponents who've become masters at gaming this broken system."

Obama said McCain and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

"And we've already seen that he's not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations," Obama said.

Obama has shattered president campaign fundraising records, raking in more than $265 million thus far.

Obama campaign lawyer Robert Bauer said he had met with McCain lawyers to discuss terms for both campaigns operating in the public financing system, but he said they could not agree on how to limit spending by the campaigns and outside groups heading into the late summer party conventions.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Matt on June 19, 2008, 01:49:07 PM
Oh, my bitter heart.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Tatertots on June 19, 2008, 02:07:39 PM
McCain wasn't going to do it, so there wasn't any real reason for Obama to do it other than to appear to be the shining little light that he is, right?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 19, 2008, 02:28:05 PM
Of course neither of them were ever going to do it.

I'm all for publicly funded elections, but a voluntary $3 tax donation is not the way to go about it.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on June 19, 2008, 05:36:13 PM
I'm all for publicly funded elections, but I agree that we haven't settled on a good way to do it yet.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on June 22, 2008, 12:33:28 PM
I gave Obama $25 on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: fajwat on June 22, 2008, 05:13:56 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/Story?id=4420155

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 23, 2008, 04:58:00 PM
I stole $25 from Obama on Sunday.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on June 23, 2008, 06:44:02 PM
:O
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 24, 2008, 02:06:40 PM
Heh...

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=174475
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2008, 01:18:29 PM
So...why help Clinton pay back her campaign debt?  Why bail her out? 

Hey, will Obama pay my debt, too?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 25, 2008, 02:01:21 PM
Politics dummy.

Why Obama feels the need to start acting like every other politician at this stage of the game is baffling though.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2008, 02:05:53 PM
Politics?  How?  In what way?  How come no other politician has financially bailed out their defeated rivals?  What's the gain?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 25, 2008, 02:07:57 PM
To unite the party?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2008, 02:09:59 PM
Paying her $10 million personal debt unites the party? 

The Clintons have already endorsed Obama.  They've already asked their supporters to back Obama.  The debt has nothing to do with the Democratic Party.  Will the Hillary supporters be getting refunds? 
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 25, 2008, 02:11:53 PM
Paying her $10 million personal debt unites the party? 

The Clintons have already endorsed Obama.  They've already asked their supporters to back Obama.  The debt has nothing to do with the Democratic Party.  Will the Hillary supporters be getting refunds? 

It makes me think that it's a real uniting, rather than "okay, she obviously has to endorse him or seem crazy and bitter."
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2008, 02:24:09 PM
It makes me think of that Phil and Arthur episode from the 80's where they're offering bus tours of Loch Ness for five pounds and, as the people line up, it's Phil and Arthur paying each of them five pounds to take their tour.

You run until the money is gone.  You don't loan yourself millions of dollars just to keep going.  People weren't giving her money because they didn't have faith in her.  She failed at fundraising which means she failed at getting the votes.  The writing was on the wall.

If she made the choice to use her own money to prolong her campaign, then she has to live with that choice.  There's no point, and no unity to be gained, by having Obama bail her out.

And he isn't bailing her out!  He's asking us to do it!  Or, right now, his big money people.  But you know he'll ask the regular people.  So we're to donate to Hillary's...what?  Ability to buy a second swimming pool before the end of the year?  The Clinton's are mega-rich.

So let's see... The people of New York pay her salary.  Schools and institutions pay her (and her family) millions each year to talk for 15 minutes.  And now the US people are expected to pay her back for campaigning.  What is this?  Regal Absolutism? 

Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2008, 02:29:11 PM
Of course, it would mean that the Clintons would be beholden to him.  Perhaps that absolutism charge could be leveled at him!  Are we ready to rename the White House to the Presidential Palace?

Control the Clintons, and create the Supermajority:

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Obama's aim: 14 Bush states and local races
By: Ben Smith
June 25, 2008 10:38 AM EST

Barack Obama will focus his resources largely in 14 states George W. Bush won in 2004, his chief field operative said Tuesday, hoping to score upsets in places such as Virginia, Indiana and Georgia.

But winning the White House won’t be his only goal, deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand told Politico: In an unusual move, Obama’s campaign will also devote some resources to states it’s unlikely to win, with the goal of influencing specific local contests in places such as Texas and Wyoming.

“Texas is a great example where we might not be able to win the state, but we want to pay a lot of attention to it,” Hildebrand said. “It’s one of the most important redistricting opportunities in the country.”

Texas Democrats are five seats away in each chamber from control of the state Legislature, which will redraw congressional districts after the 2010 census.

In Wyoming, Democrat Gary Trauner, running for the state’s sole congressional seat, lost narrowly against an incumbent in 2006 and is now seeking an open seat.

“If we can register more Democrats, if we can increase the Democratic performance and turnout, maybe we can pick up a congressional seat,” Hildebrand said.

Hildebrand’s plans underscore the unusual scope and ambition of Obama’s campaign, which can relatively cheaply extend its massive volunteer and technological resources into states which won’t necessarily produce electoral votes.

In Texas, for instance, Obama’s three dozen offices were overrun with volunteers during the primary; the campaign’s challenge is, in part, to find something useful to do with all that free labor. But, while Hildebrand said Obama is unlikely to pay for television advertising outside a core of about 15 states the candidate thinks he can win, he will spend some money on staff. Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, reportedly told donors in Houston that he would send 15 staffers to Texas, and the campaign has committed to having some staff on the ground in all 50 states.

If Obama loses in November, the broad expenditures — and the specific ambition of extending Democratic control — may be seen as a distraction from the traditional, crucial battlegrounds like Ohio, leading John McCain’s campaign to dismiss Obama’s aspirations of broadening the playing field.

"It’s revealing that Barack Obama has now been forced to expand the states on his map because he’s so weak in traditional Democratic targets such as West Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee and Florida, not to mention his ongoing problems in Pennsylvania and Ohio,” said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers.

But if Obama wins, he may have paved the path to a powerful Democratic majority. Obama has also sent out fundraising e-mails in the last week on behalf of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

A “new president alone isn't enough,” Obama wrote in a message sent to the DSCC’s e-mail list. “I've served long enough in the U.S. Senate to know that Washington must change, and I also know that big changes don't happen without big Senate majorities — and right now, Democrats occupy only 49 seats.”

“This November, we have a chance to create a Democratic Senate majority like we haven't seen in decades — but it won't happen on its own,” he wrote.

 

Hildebrand and Obama campaign manager David Plouffe have, in recent days, outlined the shape of the campaign. In an interview with Politico, Hildebrand said Obama would focus largely on 14 states George W. Bush won in 2004, plus one state Kerry won in 2004: New Hampshire, where Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton stage their first joint event Friday.

“We’re going to have to play hard in New Hampshire — we completely recognize that,” Hildebrand said.

Hildebrand also said Obama would campaign in part of Nebraska, which distributes its electoral votes to the winner of each individual congressional district.

“We’re going to go in and play Nebraska 2, which is Omaha and surrounding [areas], in the hopes that we can pick up that one electoral vote,” he said.

A presentation by Plouffe to donors, and Obama’s own early advertising expenditures, add three more to that list of states to defend: Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

In an interview, Hildebrand listed states in order of the margin by which Bush carried them: The closest four — Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Nevada — he said, would see “a ton of attention.”

But he said Obama would campaign hard in 10 more states, with the candidate and his top surrogates spending time on the ground and his campaign spending money in the air. Those states are Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Virginia, North Carolina, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Georgia and Alaska.

Skeptics have questioned Obama’s chances in states ranging from Montana, where Obama’s support of gun control is unpopular, to those in the South, where racially polarized voting patterns could undermine his chances. Some have suggested his broader playing field is a kind of “head-fake,” a maneuver designed to force McCain to spend money and time on states Obama doesn’t really think he can win.

Hildebrand dismissed that suggestion.

“We’re going in to win those states,” he said. “We’re not going in to make McCain have to pay attention to them. We’re going in to win. The result of that is he’s going to have to pay serious attention to them where he otherwise might not have to.”
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on June 25, 2008, 02:39:20 PM
Paying her $10 million personal debt unites the party? 

The Clintons have already endorsed Obama.  They've already asked their supporters to back Obama.  The debt has nothing to do with the Democratic Party.  Will the Hillary supporters be getting refunds? 

Endorsing Obama and actively campaigning for him are two entirely different things.  You could argue that he's hiring her (granted, for an obscene amount of money) to work for him until November.  She may be required by the party to endorse him, but she certainly holds no obligation to campaign for him, so there is some monetary value to her continued support in that respect.

Look at it as you would a sports team... The bigger the player, the higher the paycheck.  It's the same reason you pay Tom Brady ten times what you'd pay Daunte Culpepper.  Hillary's a big name player in this game, as is Bill, so it doesn't really surprise me that their price would be high.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 25, 2008, 02:41:01 PM
Paying her $10 million personal debt unites the party? 

The Clintons have already endorsed Obama.  They've already asked their supporters to back Obama.  The debt has nothing to do with the Democratic Party.  Will the Hillary supporters be getting refunds? 

It makes me think that it's a real uniting, rather than "okay, she obviously has to endorse him or seem crazy and bitter."

Exactly. The Clintons in many ways ARE the Democratic party, though that's likely to change in the coming years. Still, this year, like it or not, they still matter.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2008, 02:43:22 PM
Paying her $10 million personal debt unites the party? 

The Clintons have already endorsed Obama.  They've already asked their supporters to back Obama.  The debt has nothing to do with the Democratic Party.  Will the Hillary supporters be getting refunds? 

Endorsing Obama and actively campaigning for him are two entirely different things.  You could argue that he's hiring her (granted, for an obscene amount of money) to work for him until November.  She may be required by the party to endorse him, but she certainly holds no obligation to campaign for him, so there is some monetary value to her continued support in that respect.


Now there's something I can wrap my head around.  Hillary just became the most expensive whore since Cleopatra.  10 million and an empire at stake.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 25, 2008, 02:49:25 PM
Hillary just became the most expensive whore since Cleopatra.

Oh thank you for that mental picture.  Bleah.
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2008, 02:53:53 PM
Is Hillary rolling out of a carpet in front of a besieged Obama the picture you have?  Or the year long fucking while fishmongers and dockworkers throw rocks and flaming shit at your soldiers?
Title: Re: Out of the Closet: Obama. It's lucky to be black!
Post by: Nubbins on June 25, 2008, 03:04:46 PM
Hillary has huge.... tracts of land.  Just sayin.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on June 27, 2008, 12:12:58 PM
Paying her $10 million personal debt unites the party? 

The Clintons have already endorsed Obama.  They've already asked their supporters to back Obama.  The debt has nothing to do with the Democratic Party.  Will the Hillary supporters be getting refunds? 

It makes me think that it's a real uniting, rather than "okay, she obviously has to endorse him or seem crazy and bitter."

Buying off someone who's acting like a bitter lunatic adds legitimacy somehow?

Is it a bribe?  Is it his fault she put herself into debt?  His fault that she made herself bitter and drove herself crazy?  His fault that she backed herself deep into that corner  of confrontation?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on June 27, 2008, 12:29:01 PM
Look, when he's president, maybe he can just buy off Iran and North Korea and the others.  We can finally have the Mafia Presidency we've always wanted.  Pay protection money to the world and we'll all be united!

Now there's a taste of RC's decline and fall of the Roman empire.  Can't afford to raise troops, but can afford to send a briefcase full of cash to calm your enemies.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 27, 2008, 12:42:35 PM
Paying her $10 million personal debt unites the party? 

The Clintons have already endorsed Obama.  They've already asked their supporters to back Obama.  The debt has nothing to do with the Democratic Party.  Will the Hillary supporters be getting refunds? 

It makes me think that it's a real uniting, rather than "okay, she obviously has to endorse him or seem crazy and bitter."

Buying off someone who's acting like a bitter lunatic adds legitimacy somehow?

Is it a bribe?  Is it his fault she put herself into debt?  His fault that she made herself bitter and drove herself crazy?  His fault that she backed herself deep into that corner  of confrontation?

If I'm Joe Average citizen (and when it comes to intra-party politics, I am) I've not noticed that Hillary is acting like a bitter lunatic.  I've noticed that she says she endorses him.

It's not his fault she put herself in debt.  But he'll still pay because it's a nice gesture and maybe he believes it's what the country needs to move forward.

Now replace Hillary and Obama with airlines and the government...
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on June 29, 2008, 09:44:44 PM
larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com (http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/donald-young-the-gay-choirmaster-at-obamas-church-telephoned-me-not-long-before-he-was-murdered-how-did-he-know-who-i-was-and-how-to-contact-me-before-i-went-public-with-my-allegations-about-oba/)

the whole site is dedicated to his minime obama drug gay sex tape allegations.  Um.

He's failed a polygraph, but his scandal is still funded, possibly by internet donations.  Ugh.

He's out on bond for a Feb indictment on paying with forged money orders in Oct. 

i... it goes on and on.  he's insinuating himself into the seediest possibilities of every other obama "scandal", like the murdered gay choirmaster at Obama's old church, and amplifying the resulting net of conspiracy.

so obama is:

a socialist muslim named after evil muslim dictators who illegally changed the presidential seal, had gay sex and took drugs with a gay prostitute, was somehow involved in a gay murder, does terrorist fist jabs of defiance at the white community who just might kill him at any moment like Kennedy or your pick off black activists, ..... my brain just popped.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Matt on June 30, 2008, 09:07:59 AM
Rove's either got a hand in this, or he's admiring this guy from afar. And I'm certain it's not just paranoia on my part.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on June 30, 2008, 10:42:40 AM
Here's what Obama's millions bought him:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2211812/Bill-Clinton-says-Barack-Obama-must-%27kiss-my-ass%27-for-his-support.html

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The Telegraph has learned that the former president's rage is still so great that even loyal allies are shocked by his patronising attitude to Mr Obama, and believe that he risks damaging his own reputation by his intransigence.

A senior Democrat who worked for Mr Clinton has revealed that he recently told friends Mr Obama could "kiss my ass" in return for his support.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 30, 2008, 02:10:18 PM
Bill's already taken a big steaming dump on his legacy, so what's he got to lose?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on June 30, 2008, 02:26:08 PM
That would be fine if Obama hadn't of just bailed his wife out of her campaign debt.  This whole Clinton thing is insane.  Beyond insane.  I don't know why people aren't screaming about it.  Who's really running for President?  Obama?  Or the Clintons, who demand to be refunded for their efforts and then -- in the name of unity -- shit on their benefactor?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on June 30, 2008, 03:49:54 PM
I concur.

RC, prior to this election, had Bill taken a dump on his legacy?  I mean, sullied it any worse than it'd been?  I thought he'd done better out of office than in it, up until the confusion and insanity of his wife's campaign.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 30, 2008, 04:47:41 PM
RC, prior to this election, had Bill taken a dump on his legacy?  I mean, sullied it any worse than it'd been?  I thought he'd done better out of office than in it, up until the confusion and insanity of his wife's campaign.

That's what I mean. He dropped a big liquidy, corn-laden deuce all over his legacy not because he campaigned for his wife, but how he campaigned for his wife.

Before that, he was one of the 20th Century greats, blowjob and all.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 03:20:41 PM
Ugh.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/01/america/02campaigncnd.php

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ZANESVILLE, Ohio: With an eye toward courting evangelical voters, Senator Barack Obama arrived here on Tuesday to present a plan to expand on President George W. Bush's program of investing federal money into religious-based initiatives that are intended to fight poverty and perform community aid work.

"The fact is, the challenges we face today — from saving our planet to ending poverty — are simply too big for government to solve alone," Obama is expected to say, according to a prepared text of his remarks. "We need all hands on deck."

On the second day of a weeklong tour intended to highlight his values, Obama traveled to the battleground state of Ohio on Tuesday to present his proposal to get religious charities more involved in government programs. He is scheduled to give an afternoon speech here outside of the Eastside Community Ministry, a program providing food, clothes and youth ministry.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 01, 2008, 03:23:57 PM
Why "Ugh?" Because he's getting in bed with the Bible Bangers?

The shine's really wearing off this guy, eh?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 03:35:00 PM
Yes, it is.  Anything to get elected!  Buy Hillary, kiss Clinton's ass (as requested), pander to the religious right, lamely defend McCain, tell his wife to behave like a good girl...
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 01, 2008, 03:43:51 PM
No one ever got elected President without sucking huge, veiny cocks for months and months beforehand.

And you don't want to suck those cocks?  Fine.  You don't have to... but you don't get to be President because you don't want it badly enough.... and there's a guy waiting in line right behind you who just CAN'T WAIT to huff some dong.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 03:48:18 PM
There's a serious problem here.  I can't quite find it in me to shrug it off.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 01, 2008, 05:09:01 PM
From an idealistic point of view, I have trouble shrugging it off too. It's especially distressing that Obama has ridden this wave of change and hope, and "Let's do the right thing" in order to get as far as he has. And now he's just pulling "business as usual" crap in order to seal that deal. The question is of course whether or not it will infect him. Power corrupts and chunky peanut butter.

To quote one of my favorite books, Primary Colors:

"We live an eternity of false smiles -- and why? Because it's the price you pay to lead. You don't think Abraham Lincoln was a whore before he was a president? He had to tell his little stories and smile his shit-eating, backcountry grin. He did it all just so he'd get the opportunity, one day, to stand in front of the nation and appeal to 'the better angels of our nature.' That's when the bullshit stops."
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 05:13:09 PM
That's fine if a president is called upon to appeal to those better angels...like Lincoln, and FDR.  But when the president is allowed to run amok, the bullshit never stops.  Even Vietnam, 9/11, and the current war are minor enough (compared to the All Out Freakouts of the past) to allow our leaders to skate through and happily act like mad men. 

I'm not blind -- I know it's always about picking the lesser of two evils.  But, yeah, I kind of had secret hopes for Obama...and he's pissing all over that before he's even nominated!  I'd be less phased by all this if it were October but, hell, it's not official yet and he's already gone sour.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 01, 2008, 05:15:57 PM
Even as starry-eyed as I got (and still get sometimes) over Obama, I figured he's have to get dirty to win. That's the game. Maybe if he wins, he can change it, but if he wants that chance, he has to play by the broken rules.

I'm not saying it's right, or that I like it. In fact, I've felt a little betrayed the past couple of weeks. What can you do?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 05:21:07 PM
Not vote for him.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 01, 2008, 05:58:19 PM
I'm not blind -- I know it's always about picking the lesser of two evils.  But, yeah, I kind of had secret hopes for Obama...and he's pissing all over that before he's even nominated!  I'd be less phased by all this if it were October but, hell, it's not official yet and he's already gone sour.

Yeah, but I think he's pissing all over it because if he wants to get elected, then that's what is called for.  It's a game and he is playing it.

I'm not claiming to know one way or another whether the hope for change with Obama is a pipe-dream or not, but I'm certainly willing to suspend judgement on it until after he's in office.  I try to write off the stuff that's going on right now as a necessary evil... it's all part of the huge game that is the American Presidential Election.  Without at least making the attempt to appeal to the religious right, your chances of being elected dwindle... without sucking Clinton cock, the same is true.  Obama's just playing the game he needs to play in order to win.  The ends justify the means.  It's unfortunate that things are this way, but it is what it is.

We won't really see the stuff that Obama's made of until he's elected (if he's elected).

edit: oh... RC basically just said the exact same thing :)  What RC said!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 01, 2008, 06:09:05 PM
Not vote for him.

To what end?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 06:17:26 PM
Not vote for him.

To what end?

Clearing your conscience.  Exercising your right to vote for anybody, not just one of the two main parties.  Being responsible and honest with yourself.

Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 01, 2008, 06:21:17 PM
My conscience will be perfectly clear when I vote for Obama in November.

He would basically have to rape a baby on Youtube or something to lose my vote at this point. 
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 01, 2008, 06:32:46 PM
My conscience will be perfectly clear when I vote for Obama in November.

He would basically have to rape a baby on Youtube or something to lose my vote at this point. 

Seconded.

Plus, a part of me still wants to believe the illusion.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 06:57:10 PM
There's the black lady running for the Greens...and she's got a pretty good Congressional record, too.

Personally, I might throw my vote to the United Fascist Front, because wouldn't it be funny if they won?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 01, 2008, 07:44:33 PM
I really want to make fun of you for being so reactionary about Obama, particularly considering that I think this is probably going to be one of the most important elections of the century.... but, I can't because you are right.  His shit stinks just like everyone else's and it's depressing to have that illusion shattered.  I think a lot of us hoped that this whole "change" thing Obama goes on and on about would be seen in his actual campaign and it's a little frightening to see him fall in line so quickly.

But... McCain scares me far more than Obama does.... enough even that I'm not willing to throw my vote away on some third party candidate, however qualified they may be.  With Barr running, Georgia has a real chance to go blue in November and I am so excited.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 08:16:35 PM
Actually, the best way to throw away a vote is to vote for Barr... Because you know it'll go 50/50, no matter how insane McCain is.  The vast idiocy of middle America will keep him in play.  We should concentrate on eroding that popular vote.

Your vote counts more in Georgia.  Maryland will go Obama, as will DC.  So I can afford to be funny.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 01, 2008, 08:29:07 PM
I'm in VA though, which will likely go McCain.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 08:35:19 PM
So you, too, are tied to an Obama vote.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Tatertots on July 01, 2008, 09:01:39 PM
If you want a candidate who has the same exact values and beliefs as you, you're going to be waiting for a long fucking time.

All candidates are compromises. Compromise the least. Obama FTW!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2008, 09:07:06 PM
Of course you're not going to get the same exact values.  How could you?  We'd need 300 million candidates.

So if "compromise the least" is how we're going to run the election, then why not look to third parties?  Why is it compromise the least....as long as you vote for A or B?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Tatertots on July 01, 2008, 11:30:25 PM
Voting for a candidate that will never, ever win is a big compromise, IMHO. Obama's the closest one for me, so he's the one I'm going for.

I know, I know. The election system sucks hairy balls.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 01, 2008, 11:42:29 PM
Never, ever voting for the candidate you want to win is a big compromise, IMHO. 
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 02, 2008, 12:14:40 AM
If only I could vote for the cat in the hat!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 02, 2008, 12:57:14 AM
But you could, at that!

You could vote for a cat while grooming a bat!
You could vote for the cat's hat too, where it's at!

There's no telling the wonders of a president who's bold
But be careful or you and your friends could end up in Guantanamo!

Set your sights high and let your heart find
the president candidate who speaks his mind.

Don't forget to clean up your room!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 02, 2008, 07:38:11 AM
Never, ever voting for the candidate you want to win is a big compromise, IMHO. 

Yes.

So, Tyson, if I vote my conscience, that's compromise.  But if I fall in line and vote exactly the way our socially absentee landlord government demands, that's not compromise?

Because our election system isn't really broken, you know.  It's deeply flawed...but the only reason we're locked into a two party system is because everybody is doing what they're told.  If equal money and equal time went to the candidates, and the people were allowed to vote like a civilized country, and we outlawed the worst of the lobbyists, even the Electoral College would show some interesting results...

Where the system is flawed is, well, what Obama's doing (and McCain, and the legion before them) -- to run for president is, rapidly, costing a quarter (or more) billion dollars.  We really should just go back to anointing kings elected by a small cabal of landholders, because that's what you're getting anyway when the presidency is open only to billionaires.  They are our royalty, our elite, our masters.  And we -- once upon a time -- choose not to suffer that tyranny.

Yet now we embrace it in the name of compromise.  Like one really is better than the other.  Between McCain and this current incarnation of Obama, there's no difference.  In fact, Obama's playing kiss kiss more right of center than is usual.  Unity?  Bring the right on board with the liberal plan?  And, so, embrace the religious right and tell your wife to hide in a box?  What's next?  Put on the starched sheet and campaign at a Klan rally?  Come on boys!  Yes we can!

I don't know, at least he's not pausing for a photoshoot covered in goose blood and holding a shotgun.




Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 02, 2008, 05:18:24 PM
From Starked DC:

http://www.starkeddc.com/archives/liberals-not-happy-with-obamas-fisa-stance/


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Barack Obama is starting to get a lot of flak over his move to the center on wiretapping.  A few days ago, a group was launched on Obama’s very own website where supporters ask Obama to “Vote No” on the new FISA bill.  Since it’s launch not more than a week ago, it has already become the largest group on the Obama’s site.

Apparently many of Obama’s supporters are none too happy with their man on this issue.  And I can’t agree with them more.  Political pandering is what lost the election for Hillary Clinton.  If Hillary wouldn’t have voted ‘like a centrist’ in favor of the Iraq War, she’d be the nominee today.  So the Obama team should learn something from that and realize that false support of an issue for political reasons may work sometimes, but don’t be so sure that it won’t come back to bite you. 
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 02, 2008, 05:41:57 PM
I don't get this.

who the fuck votes based on *wanting* FISA?  I mean, seriously?  How does that come into a debate?  Where is a poll showing that people want to be surveilled?  I thought we'd gotten past all that, that the tides had turned.

Who is he pandering to?  20 "bitter" people who know enough to care but not enough to care more about the constitution and their privacy that it tramples?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Tatertots on July 02, 2008, 06:22:00 PM
So, Tyson, if I vote my conscience, that's compromise.  But if I fall in line and vote exactly the way our socially absentee landlord government demands, that's not compromise?

They're both compromises. Voting for someone who has no chance of being elected is just a bigger compromise, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 02, 2008, 10:39:05 PM
Third parties are great!  I think I will visit my favorite threads about third party candidates........ Bob Barr.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 03, 2008, 12:21:39 AM
I hear there's a mayor in North Dakota who's a ninja... a ninja would make a good president for a handful of reasons.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 03, 2008, 10:07:47 AM
Vote Ninja! Ban Pirates!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Cassander on July 03, 2008, 09:08:35 PM
the faith-based initiative, i think, is completely instep with early 2008 obama's beliefs, not a switcheroo.  he knows that the churches can take some strain off of local governments' community services, and he knows that america is rethinking that christians can only be republicans.  plus, he's taking heat from the die-hards because he wants to cut off funding to churches or faith-based initiatives if they are biased in their hiring, say, passing on a qualified accountant because he happens to be from another denomination, faith, or even agnostic or athiest.  so it's not really the carrot on a stick it seems to be at first.

also, FISA is a complicated issue, and obama's the only one getting flak for it.  how many of your state democratic congressmen and senators are also gonna vote for that bill?  why not flood them with e-mails and criticism?  obama is not super-senator. 

moving to the center isn't the greatest idea, but i don't think obama has pulled a complete 180.  he knows that there are tons of people out there not entirely convinced by mccain, and if he can bring them on board with a few photo ops, why not? 
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 03, 2008, 09:57:59 PM
Agreed 1000%.  It's too early to be hopeless about Obama.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 08, 2008, 02:20:07 PM
Racism and xenophobia are alive and well in the U.S. Below is an anti-Obama vid making the rounds. It was sent to me by my mother.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036 (http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036)
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 08, 2008, 02:25:31 PM
God, I couldn't sit through more than a minute of that.  I saw Ann Coulter and closed it.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 08, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
I sat through the whole thing and it's fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 08, 2008, 02:36:19 PM
I really hate Ann Coulter.  I would do a jig if she went down in a plane crash.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Tatertots on July 08, 2008, 03:26:41 PM
You and the rest of the rational world, my friend.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 08, 2008, 03:41:44 PM
Is it too late to trade with Satan?  Ann Coulter for Jesse Helms?  I think he'd be getting a bitchin deal.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Matt on July 08, 2008, 08:27:27 PM
I love how it immediately tripped into mock-dramatic hip-hop beat, just like the 9/11 Truther vids - clearly establishing this within the realm of insanity.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Matt on July 08, 2008, 08:29:36 PM
He could've just done this in two seconds: "Fact: Obama is a black man."
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Matt on July 08, 2008, 08:30:40 PM
FACT: Obama is both a black person and a man.
DEF: Mentor is a noun.
FACT: Obama worships Satan.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Matt on July 08, 2008, 08:35:16 PM
I mean, looking at history... blacks frequently supported communists. BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE GAVE A SHIT
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Matt on July 08, 2008, 08:40:31 PM
Is it surprising that Obama will not play into the hands of mass media agenda-setting? Can Democrats stop being pussies? And can Americans honestly expect a evil black man to assume the reins of their country without destroying Mom and apple pies... FOREVER?


Fuck, this is the shit that makes me want to renounce Buddhism and run off in a drunken binge and write manic-depressive tomes about the death of America.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 08, 2008, 09:21:44 PM
didn't they blatantly quote the "just words" soundbyte as the opposite of the original context's meaning?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 08, 2008, 10:16:33 PM
You want racism?

From Japan:  Obama the monkey.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=si-lSLv9b4E&hl=ja
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 09, 2008, 10:07:01 AM
Hah!


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Obama donors aren't rushing to aid Clinton
By Patrick Healy
Wednesday, July 9, 2008

A prominent donor to Senator Barack Obama recently sent an e-mail plea to other supporters, asking them — for the sake of Democratic unity — to write checks to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to help retire her $23 million in campaign debt.

Some of the replies are unprintable, given the coarse language, the donor said. A sampling of others included:

"Why would I help pay off debts that Hillary amassed simply to keep damaging Senator Obama?"

"Gas prices are up, the markets are in turmoil, my kid's fall tuition bill is coming soon. Writing checks to politicians I don't like is not at the top of my list."

"Not a penny for that woman. Or her husband. Or — god forbid — Mark Penn," a reference to Hillary Clinton's former senior strategist, whose firm is still owed several million dollars for work that included aggressive attacks on Obama.

As Obama and Clinton prepare for their first joint fund-raisers to benefit the Obama campaign, in New York City on Wednesday and Thursday, their two camps are straining under the weight of continued resentments, recriminations and feelings that remain raw since the long primary battle.

Obama has asked his top donors to help raise money for her debt, and so far they have come up with less than $100,000 (though more in pledges), Clinton campaign officials said — a "paltry sum," in the words of one.

Several Obama donors said in interviews that they were balking at Obama's call for help because they believed Clinton accumulated most of her debts after she had lost any mathematical chance of winning the nomination and was hanging on only in hopes of an Obama collapse. The idea of helping her now — and lining the pockets of Penn, a reviled figure in the Obama camp — is galling to them, they said, especially at a time when they say any available money should go to defeating Senator John McCain and the Republicans in November.

While no other presidential candidate has ever amassed so much personal and campaign debt en route to losing the nomination as has Clinton, both Clinton and Obama donors say the larger problem for Democrats is that if the Obama camp is seen as unhelpful, Clinton, her husband and their supporters could prove something less than a force for unity.

Among the complaints from Obama campaign officials is that Hillary Clinton's expectation for help has been a moving target; in other words, it is unclear how much money from Obama supporters will be enough to satisfy the Clintons. Even Clinton officials and donors were at a loss to specify a number, saying only that Clinton was helping Obama with the understanding that he would do more for her.

"There is no lack of emotion among some supporters of both candidates, but what I think the sensible elements of good will are trying to achieve is debt relief for Hillary consistent with getting Barack elected president," said Steven Rattner, a New York investment banker and leading fund-raiser for Clinton, who is working with both camps to help Clinton retire her debt.

The bitterness in the Clinton camp about the primary battle is well known, but several Clinton donors and campaign officials said a deeper issue remained unsettled: The belief — or, perhaps, the perception — that Obama and his aides are half-hearted in their efforts to help Clinton and include her top donors on his leadership team.

Some of them griped that major Clinton donors were not being invited to crucial fund-raising meetings; were not being made to feel that they would receive credit for helping Obama win in November; and were not being given titles within the Obama campaign. An Obama aide said it was still early in the integration process of the two campaigns; he also added that the Obama operation was not as title-driven as the Clinton operation, which had various donors serving as "chairs," "co-chairs" and "Hillraisers."

Clinton donors and campaign officials say they remain surprised — and, among some, offended — that Obama has refused to ask his entire list of donors, more than 1.5 million people, to send $5, $10 or more to chip away at Clinton's debt. (Obama officials said they did not want to distract their donors for the main task at hand, raising money to defeat McCain.)

"The Obama effort hasn't yielded much, but we hope it will increase," said Alan Patricof, a top Clinton fund-raiser and family friend.

"I think most people — I can't say everyone — thinks that helping Barack is the best way to get help from the Obama camp to help retire her debt, which is a major source of concern for her right now," Patricof added.

Clinton owes an estimated $12 million to consultants and vendors, like Penn; she also lent her campaign more than $11 million. That $11 million is listed as a debt, though Clinton has told her fund-raisers that she does not expect them or the Obama camp to repay her.

Clinton campaign officials estimated that the millions owed to Penn and his team was by far the largest part of Clinton's debt, though they emphasized that the money was not only going for Penn's time but also for the services provided by his colleagues and his polling and strategy firm. Clinton officials said they could not provide a breakdown of those amounts.

"We're focused on the vendor debts, especially the Kinkos, the truck drivers and the small-business folks who helped us along the way," said Jonathan Mantz, the Clinton campaign's finance director.

Orin Kramer, a leading Obama fund-raiser, said he was working with other members of Obama's national finance team, like Frank Brosens and Alan Solomont, as well as Rattner, Patricof and other Clinton donors to deal with the debt issue.

The negotiations between the Clinton and Obama camps are so delicate that it is one of the issues being managed by Robert Barnett, the high-powered Washington lawyer that Clinton asked to help structure a political relationship between them for the general election.

According to several Democrats who have spoken to Barnett, he has counseled the Clinton camp that honey will work better than vinegar in the debt talks. But Clinton donors say it is an open question whether the Clintons believe they should play hardball — signaling that they will not rally enthusiastically behind Obama unless he does more on the debt situation — or appear agreeable with the expectation that the money will ultimately come through.

A crucial test will come at the fund-raisers in New York this week, both sides said. Obama is expected to ask supporters there to help Clinton, and Clinton donors said they were hoping for a great deal more money to come in from people heeding his call.

The New York events are on behalf of the Obama campaign, his aides said; Clinton will not receive a cut of the take, but rather, in theory, benefit afterward from Obama donors who decide to help her. Obama and his wife have each already written checks for $2,300, the maximum donation, to Clinton.

"Senator Obama and his staff and his supporters are working very hard on debt relief for Senator Clinton, and will continue to in any way that works best," said Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 09, 2008, 03:53:59 PM
yeah, a dollar for Hillary is a dollar for McCain.  Suck your own fumes from your own campaign ashes.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 10, 2008, 12:03:09 PM
Jackson's so funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aLGkFpsdHo

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The Rev. Jesse Jackson apologized Wednesday for saying Barack Obama is “talking down to black people” during what Jackson thought was a private conversation before a FOX News interview Sunday.

Jackson was speaking to a guest at the time about Obama’s speeches in black churches and his support for faith-based charities. Jackson added before going live, “I want to cut his nuts off.”

His microphone picked up the remarks.

At a hastily arranged news conference Wednesday evening in Chicago, Jackson said he supports Obama “unequivocally” and that he hopes to “get this behind me.”

“I have great passion for this campaign and traveled across the country … arguing the case for the campaign,” Jackson said. “And this thing I said in a hot-mic statement that’s interpreted as a distraction, I offer apology for that. I don’t want harm or hurt to come to this campaign.”

He said, “They were hurtful and wrong … but we have a relationship that can survive this.”

Jackson said in a written statement he was trying to emphasize that Obama’s moral message should “not only deal with the personal and moral responsibility of black males, but to deal with the collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy.”

Jackson said the conversation “does not reflect any disparagement on my part for the historic event in which we are involved or my pride in Senator Barack Obama, who is leading it, whom I have supported by crisscrossing this nation in every level of media and audience from the beginning in absolute terms.”

Jackson told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he doesn’t remember exactly what he said Sunday but that he was “very sorry” for his comments about Obama. He called his comments “a side light in a broader conversation about urban disparities.”

Jackson said he has called Obama’s campaign to apologize.

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton noted that the Illinois senator grew up without his father and has spoken and written at length about the issues of parental responsibility and fathers participating in their children’s lives, and of society’s obligation to provide “jobs, justice and opportunity for all.

“He will continue to speak out about our responsibilities to ourselves and each other, and he of course accepts Reverend Jackson’s apology,” Burton said.

Jackson’s comments sparked something of a family feud. His son, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., said he was disappointed by his father’s “reckless statements.”

“His divisive and demeaning comments about the presumptive Democratic nominee — and I believe the next president of the United States — contradict his inspiring and courageous career,” the younger Jackson said.

The comments are not the first the elder Jackson has had to explain after believing he was off the record.

In 1984, he called New York City “Hymietown,” referring to the city’s large Jewish population. He later acknowledged it was wrong to use the term, but said he did so in private to a reporter.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on July 10, 2008, 12:10:38 PM
I support him unequivocally as president, but I still want to cut his nuts off.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 10, 2008, 12:38:34 PM
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

God, that's gotta be embarassing.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 10, 2008, 01:46:14 PM
Fox News is going nuts with this story by the way.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 10, 2008, 01:51:36 PM
Jesse Jackson says/does something crazy!  NEWSFLASH FROM 1970!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 10, 2008, 02:07:35 PM
Fox News is going nuts with this story by the way.

hey-OOO!

No, seriously... I'm picturing a picture of a nutsack next to the anchor's head with a big red circle and a line through it.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 10, 2008, 02:09:44 PM
It wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 10, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
Jesse Jackson says/does something crazy!  NEWSFLASH FROM 1970!

I know, right.  This shouldn't be shocking to anyone who hasn't been in a coma since 1982.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on July 11, 2008, 11:57:54 AM
Jesse Jackson says/does something crazy!  NEWSFLASH FROM 1970!

I know, right.  This shouldn't be shocking to anyone who hasn't been in a coma since 1982.

What is shocking is that he (and other crazy "reverends" from the other side of center) remains relevant and influential.  I guess all you need is enough unwavering followers.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Nubbins on July 11, 2008, 12:05:12 PM
Jesse Jackson is to the electoral process what Joan Rivers is to the Oscars... He's become just a face that you just expect to be involved in the election and annoy the shit out of people on the proverbial red carpet; then he makes fun of what they're wearing behind their backs.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 11, 2008, 01:39:36 PM
or he's the democratic party of the electoral process -- no longer representing anybody but always annointed by the media as though they had been constitutionally chartered to represent liberals (or, in Jesse's case, blacks).
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2008, 10:51:27 AM
Ah, The New Yorker forgets that it has a circulation to worry about.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/07/new_yorker_cover.html


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In a campaign in which Senator Barack Obama touching fists with his wife sparked a "controversy", the New Yorker's latest cover was never going to slip onto newsstands unnoticed.

In a satirical swipe at the crazy rumours about the presidential candidate and his wife, Michelle, the liberal magazine depicts them as terrorists in the oval office. Obama is in Muslim clothing; Michelle, in an Afro and military garb, has an AK-47 slung over he shoulder.

Naturally, the fist bumping is there, along with a portrait of Osama Bin Laden and an American flag roasting in the fireplace.

Asked about the image, Obama shrugged his shoulders. But his (and McCain's) spokespeople have made clear their disapproval, claiming most readers would judge the image "tasteless and offensive".

They may be right. Readers have declared they will abandon their subscriptions amid declarations that the cartoon, by Barry Blitt, was "gross, sick and pathetic".

The magazine's editor, David Remnick, believes the image "holds up a mirror" to the absurd and often malicious rumours that have stuck to his [Obama's] campaign. And he believes his readers are intelligent enough to get the joke.

Rather depressingly, it has been suggested that people won't understand the point of cartoon, titled "The Politics of Fear", and that the cover should have included a caption.

A caption? What would it have said? 'The New Yorker would like to inform readers that the above depiction is supposed to be funny. We don't really think Obama is a terrorist and we like Michelle's hairstyle as it is. Just in case any of you should think us unpatriotic, we remind readers that the Stars and the Stripes should be kept away from fire at all times.'

For anyone who needs a caption to get the joke, Remnick's most extensive explanation of the cover can be found in this question and answer session.

He says it "combines a number of images that have been propagated, not by everyone on the right but by some, about Obama's supposed "lack of patriotism" or his being "soft on terrorism" or the idiotic notion that somehow Michelle Obama is the second coming of the Weathermen or most violent Black Panthers. That somehow all this is going to come to the oval office."

By ridiculing these ideas about Obama, is the New Yorker helping to peel away layers of conspiratorial mud? Or, in the subconscious minds of the masses, will the image simply reinforce lingering fears about the Democratic candidate?


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Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on July 14, 2008, 01:25:06 PM
WAIT!  OBAMA IS A TERRORIST?!?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2008, 01:29:18 PM
You didn't know?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on July 14, 2008, 01:30:42 PM
FORTUNATELY I HAV MUH SUBSCRIPTURE TO the new yorwker!!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 14, 2008, 01:35:12 PM
I don't know how they figured that cover was a good idea.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Tatertots on July 14, 2008, 03:28:35 PM
They figured controversy would help sell more subscriptions. If it was a book, it would work, I'm sure, but magazine subscribers are much more fickle and much more willing to cancel their subscription over something like this.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 14, 2008, 04:57:35 PM
I like the cover.  Actually, I applaud it.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Cassander on July 15, 2008, 10:00:15 PM
From a co-worker today: "That cover is really tasteles and just wrong.  But, you know, I heard about some of the things he's done in Chicago.  What he really is is a Nazi."

*confused stares*
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 15, 2008, 10:23:14 PM
It's a McCain win, isn't it?
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Tatertots on July 16, 2008, 04:46:10 AM
I hate America now.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 16, 2008, 12:21:35 PM
From a co-worker today: "That cover is really tasteles and just wrong.  But, you know, I heard about some of the things he's done in Chicago.  What he really is is a Nazi."

*confused stares*

whhhwhhhwhha..a.a.a.aaaaaa?!?!?!

Was that discussed any further?  I mean, what??
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on July 16, 2008, 12:24:34 PM
You know who else liked to give fistbumps?

That's right.  Hitler.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Tatertots on July 16, 2008, 01:24:18 PM
And Redman and Method Man!

TERRIST!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Cassander on July 17, 2008, 01:07:49 AM
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Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on July 17, 2008, 11:55:27 AM
Fat?  Oh hells no.  Not Barack Hussein Mr. Universe Obama!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2008/Jul/17/political_play_of_the_day__obama_becomes_a_gym_rat.html

Quote from: AP
July 17, 2008
Political Play of the Day: Obama becomes a gym rat
The Associated Press

Sometimes it's hard to tell if Barack Obama is running for president of the United States or Mr. Universe.

The Democratic presidential contender exercises regularly, but over a 24-hour span this week, he took it to a new extreme.

Twice on Wednesday and again Thursday morning, Obama traveled to a lakefront apartment building near his Chicago home to work out with a friend at his gym. On Wednesday night, Obama also spent an hour at the East Bank Club, a mammoth exercise facility just north of the city's famous business Loop where he is known to play basketball.

On the former occasions, reporters accompanying Obama saw him get in and out of an SUV wearing a baseball hat, white T-shirt and black sweat pants. On the visit to the East Bank Club, Obama was dressed casually as if going out to dinner, wearing slacks, a blue blazer and flip-flops.

A distinct lack of visible sweat on the Illinois senator triggered questions about whether he was actually exercising or using the gym visits as cover for conducting vice presidential vetting or interviews.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton e-mailed a succinct, two-word answer: "Working out."

That view held credence among some of the photographers who regularly accompany Obama. They said that even when he shot hoops earlier this year with members of the University of North Carolina varsity men's basketball team, they didn't see Obama sweat.

___

Compiled by Glen Johnson
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 04, 2008, 12:12:30 PM
Obama is running his campaign like Reagan in 76, 80, and 84.  Except replace "liberal" with "Big Oil."

Quote
Obama unveils energy plan, new attacks on McCain


(CNN) -- Barack Obama's campaign released a television ad Monday that calls for a windfall profits tax and accuses John McCain of being in the pocket of big oil.

The ad charges that major oil companies have donated $2 million to McCain's campaign and says that "after one president in the pocket of big oil, we can't afford another."

McCain surrogate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney on Monday blasted the ad as being "dishonest."

"That's really sad," he said on CNN's "American Morning." "I didn't know that Obama had stooped to dishonesty." VideoWatch Romney call Obama 'dishonest' »

Romney said it was dishonest because corporations cannot give contributions to candidates and because employees of oil companies have also donated to Obama.

The Washington Post reported that McCain received $1.1 million from oil and gas industry executives and employees in June -- three-quarters of which came after he called for lifting the ban on offshore drilling on June 16.

Obama's ad sources the Washington Post and the Center for Responsive Politics, which showed that Obama has received about $345,000 from the oil and gas industry this year.

Under Obama's proposal for a windfall profits tax, the government would tax some of the profits from big oil corporations and use it to provide a $1,000 rebate to people struggling with high energy costs.

Obama's ad comes as he kicks of "Energy Week" -- with stops planned in Ohio and Indiana where gas prices and rising heat bills will be on the agenda. VideoWatch more on Obama's new energy plan »

Obama travels to battleground Michigan on Monday to unveil details on his energy policy.

Obama's campaign said Monday that Obama is going to ask that the strategic petroleum reserves be tapped. He's expected to ask for a "swap" of light crude for heavy crude with the heavy crude to be "replaced at a later date so that we can get oil into the market," the campaign said on a conference call.

Obama last month said he did not think the country should use the strategic oil reserves "at this point."

"I have said and, in fact, supported a congressional resolution that said we should suspend putting more oil into the strategic oil reserve, but the strategic oil reserve I think has to be reserved for a genuine emergency," he said on July 7.

Obama on Monday will also discuss an energy rebate to help with gas prices, creating five million "green" jobs and trying to eliminate the need for oil from the Middle East within 10 years.

McCain is expected to spend Monday focusing on small business while in Pennsylvania. He'll turn his attention to energy at an event in Michigan this week. On Tuesday, he'll visit the Fermi 2 nuclear power plant outside Detroit for an event promoting his call for an increase in similar plants.

McCain's campaign made fun of Obama's energy proposal Monday by distributing tire pressure gauges to McCain's traveling press corps.

The gag was meant to mock Obama's remark last week that "making sure your tires are properly inflated" could help conserve gasoline.

Before departing for Pennsylvania, Mark Salter, a top McCain adviser, told the press on board McCain's plane that campaign staffers had brought along copies of Obama's energy plan for reporters to study on the flight.

After takeoff, Salter re-emerged with his punch line, passing out the pressure gauges reading "Obama's energy plan" to the journalists on the flight.

The Republican National Committee said McCain supporters in Michigan were planning to distribute the same gauges at Obama's energy speech in Lansing today.

The emphasis on energy comes days after Obama shifted toward a compromise on offshore drilling.

Obama said Friday that he would be willing to compromise on his position against offshore oil drilling if it were part of a more overarching strategy to lower energy costs.

He told reporters while he remains "skeptical of some of the drilling provisions," he believes the deal includes enough alternatives to "move us in the direction of genuine energy independence."

Responding to criticism that he had flip-flopped on offshore drilling, Obama said, "I made a general point about the fact that we need to provide the American people some relief and that there has been constructive conversations between Republicans and Democrats in the Senate on this issue," he said during a press conference in Cape Canaveral, Florida, on Saturday.

"What I will not do, and this has always been my position, is to support a plan that suggests this drilling is the answer to our energy problems," Obama added.

Obama has spoken out against offshore drilling since McCain in June proposed striking down the federal moratorium banning offshore oil and gas drilling to help alleviate high gas prices.

The McCain camp was quick to applaud Obama's softening on the issue.

"It's clear that members of both parties are following John McCain's leadership toward an 'all of the above' approach on energy that includes nuclear, alternative energy and offshore drilling," said a McCain spokesman.

When McCain called for lifting the offshore drilling ban, Obama blasted him for changing his stance.

"It's another example of short-term political posturing from Washington, not the long-term leadership we need to solve our dependence on oil," he said in June.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: fajwat on August 11, 2008, 02:36:20 AM
Wow.  Star Quality.  Enough that it's a weakness. 

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=OBghD0XBN5M

And in case you misplaced David Bowie's Changes:
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=gEaS-K3j3M8
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 11, 2008, 07:07:13 AM
If that doesn't prove Obama's white, I don't know what will.

Ah, with each passing day I feel more and more like Obama's going to destroy us all.  And, yet, he's still the better choice.  Weird.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 12, 2008, 07:30:43 AM
Quote
Another sign of the miracles of technology in the 21st century; Sen. Barack Obama will announce the choice of his running mate via the Internet, email and … TEXT MESSAGE.

http://rejectedreality.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/how-cool/

God, what a hack.  Oh, I mean -- how cool!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 12, 2008, 09:20:11 AM
Wake me up when the conventions get here . . . or if somebody actually makes a veep pick.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 12, 2008, 09:23:35 AM
Are you kidding?  This is TV, man!  We won't get a running mate pick until the season finale cliffhanger!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 20, 2008, 12:31:19 AM
Biden says he's "not the guy," but if he comes up as the VP, then I am resold on Obama.  Fuck Obama, actually, get me Joe Biden in the White House.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 22, 2008, 07:56:40 PM
Obama, fucking make your VP announcement you flip-flopping cock-tease!!!
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 22, 2008, 08:08:29 PM
He said it would be Saturday.  I think the only people getting it today are the ones who signed up for text messages.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 22, 2008, 08:34:19 PM
You figure it'll leak to the press though.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 22, 2008, 08:45:39 PM
Obama said today was going to be dark, though.  No interviews, no events.  If there is going to be a text, it'll come very late.

But, of course, the press will get it as soon as it goes out.  So I think the text will arrive about an hour before the speech, which may or may not be tomorrow.  Wouldn't surprise me if he waits till the convention itself, though.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 22, 2008, 09:01:08 PM
I added a poll!  Just so we can keep up with the McCain thread.
Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: Dragonfly on August 22, 2008, 09:25:22 PM
I like your pole... I mean Poll!

Title: Re: Obama 08
Post by: nacho on August 22, 2008, 09:26:07 PM
Man, Barack's going to be our Putin.

Which....might be a good thing.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 23, 2008, 11:32:23 AM
A very slanted article that brings up some of the troublesome points of this ticket.

Of course, I'm for Biden just because he's a straight-talking gaffe-o-matic who hates people and doesn't take anything seriously.  The article below makes a nice parallel with Cheney, actually.  Except less Darth Vader and more Dark Helmet.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/23/forfetting-change-obama-biden-08/

Quote
Forfeiting his mantra of "change," for a crazy stew of Swampland "experience," Barack Obama has announced his desired running mate as Joe Biden.

Biden has served in the U.S. Senate for 36 years.

Back in 1974, Time magazine noted Biden, then 32, was one of the 200 "faces of the future." They were clearly ahead of his time. Biden has been around Washington, D.C. so long that most of his children work for government agencies there or D.C. law firms.

Biden ran unsuccessfully for the Democrat Presidential nomination twice (1988 and 2008).

Biden, who can faster than nearly anyone in Washington, D.C. has to employ his quick quips to cover the multifaceted sides of the issues he has taken. For instance, he essentially created the nation's "Drug Czar" post. A major new front in America's costly war on drugs - costing taxpayers billions, and trampling, in many people's estimation, to a trampling of American civil liberties.

Biden voted for the Iraq war.
When he first ran for President, in 1988, Biden was considered a strong challenger. Because of his powerful lobbying connections in Washington, D.C., Biden raked in the cash. He raised more than even Gary Hart, the initial front runner.

Biden had to withdraw from the campaign after charges of plagiarizing material from British politicians wouldn't stop dogging him.

In the role of Obama's Vice Presidential candidate, he's expected to be the attack-dog on the guy who he urged John Kerry to pick as his V.P. nominee in 2004, John McCain.

Biden is currently chairman of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Chairman. He is the longest serving U.S. Senator in the history of Delaware.

In his last 20 years of office (the first 10 years is not available), Biden raised over $27 million dollars for his U.S. Senate campaigns.

As a lawyer, who has been on the Judiciary Committee, its not surprising that he's taken over $6.5 million from trial lawyers alone.

Is this the type of change Obama/Biden represent?

About 38% of Biden's Political Action Committee (PAC) campaign cash contributions come from big Labor.

Is this the type of change Obama/Biden represent?

Biden has a 77.5% liberal voting record according to the Washington Post.

Is this the type of change Obama/Biden represent?

Both Biden and Obama have a "F" from the National Rifle Association.

Is this the type of change Obama/Biden represent?

Biden has a 33% rating by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Is this the type of change Obama/Biden represent?

We now have the Democrat ticket. The main candidate, Obama, who has accomplished nothing of note in his life (no publications other than autobiographical works), no legislation, no key projects accomplished. He actually managed to vote present a third of the time in the Illinois legislature, too afraid, chicken or calculating to take a stand.

He's recruited one of the longest serving U.S. Senators. Someone who got elected when he was the barely met the age recruitment - 30. Biden, a Swampland survivor knows the corridors of Congress and the "K" street alleyways the way they said Dick Cheney did. Biden has at least passed some bills and held hearings. But when the media goes nuts over his "experience" just remember he held hearings, that's it.

So with the nomination nearly done, we see that with Obama/Biden there is no change just more of the same.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 25, 2008, 02:11:56 PM
That's a really well written article.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Goblin_Queen on August 25, 2008, 02:53:43 PM
That's a really well written article.

I hope that was sarcasm.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 25, 2008, 02:56:16 PM
Yeah, Reggie's having a Monday.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on August 25, 2008, 03:18:11 PM
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Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 25, 2008, 04:15:42 PM
That's a really well written article.

I hope that was sarcasm.

Quote
Biden ran unsuccessfully for the Democrat Presidential nomination.

Biden, who can faster than nearly anyone in Washington, D.C. has to employ his quick quips to cover the multifaceted sides of the issues he has taken.

A major new front in America's costly war on drugs - costing taxpayers billions, and trampling, in many people's estimation, to a trampling of American civil liberties.

the first 10 years is not available

Someone who got elected when he was the barely met the age recruitment - 30.

Is this the type of change Obama/Biden represent?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Goblin_Queen on August 26, 2008, 12:07:58 AM
That's a really well written article.

I hope that was sarcasm.

Quote
Biden ran unsuccessfully for the Democrat Presidential nomination.

Biden, who can faster than nearly anyone in Washington, D.C. has to employ his quick quips to cover the multifaceted sides of the issues he has taken.

A major new front in America's costly war on drugs - costing taxpayers billions, and trampling, in many people's estimation, to a trampling of American civil liberties.

the first 10 years is not available

Someone who got elected when he was the barely met the age recruitment - 30.

Is this the type of change Obama/Biden represent?


So, yes.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 26, 2008, 09:43:55 AM
I couldn't be more emotionally uninvolved than I am at this moment.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 09:57:08 AM
Yeah.  We need this to be over.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 26, 2008, 10:14:39 AM
For me, Obama has gone from Superman to a guy I'm not I'm even sure I want to vote for.

Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 10:21:44 AM
He's had the latter status with me since 2007.  His only real superman moment was in 2004.

It really is foolish to vote for Obama.  He will ruin us.  He will hurt America.  We will all suffer under his term, and we'll be plagued by the fallout after he leaves office.

But... McCain is the devil.  So I'll vote Obama, but mark my words here (and elsewhere over the last eight months) -- we will pay for this. 

Hell, I might vote Green.  I don't know.  I'll play it as it goes once I get into the booth.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 11:07:35 AM
Voting for Obama is foolish, yet you voted for Kerry without batting an eye.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 11:07:52 AM
(and without Kerry actually taking a stance on anything whatsoever!)
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 11:10:55 AM
I hated Kerry and almost wrote in my name! 

Same principle, though.  I mean... Bush or Kerry?  Jesus.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 11:13:05 AM
It's never been any different.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 11:18:41 AM
It's never been any different.

Clinton felt like a good choice the second time around, and certainly the first time around.  So it was different in 92 and 96, and I do not regret those votes. 

McGovern, most famously, would have been wildly different and better for us in 72. 

Any choice in 84 would have been better for us, and the same in 88. 

We did follow our hearts in 76 and, in the end, did we make a mistake?  Many would say no.  We certainly should have stuck to our guns in 80.

If we only had RFK in 68, eh?

I think JFK was the right choice over Nixon in 60.

I can go on...

It has been different before.  It has mattered before.  We're told by popular culture that it's no different, and so we start to fulfill that destiny...even if it's not true.

In this case, our idealism has anointed a child to do a man's job (or woman's), and we're starting to see that because we've had a two year old campaign.  Good that we see it now so we're ready for disappointment.



Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 26, 2008, 11:29:26 AM
I'd say the debates will decide who's the better candidate execpt those are theater of the highest order.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 11:32:42 AM
Oh, well, if you're looking for that, then Obama is the better candidate. 

I think that you should not put anything on the debates because, as you say, they're theater.  Questions (and the people asking the questions) are vetted by both parties.  The debate is just a free political commercial for both, and just as scripted.

Like all oligarchs, neither candidate has the time to deal with actual questions from the people.  Even our rebel-rebel Michelle has been rebranded as "Michelle O."
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: saintangelsin on August 26, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
I like what Bill Maher said the other night on CNN, that once again there is no candidate who is his ideological champion. I couldn't agree with him more. I realized that this is something that my generation is going to have to tolerate until one of us turns 35 and runs. I started out a year ago being an Edwards supporter (trust me, the whole affair scandal has stung for the last few weeks now). After Edwards dropped from the race, I went with Clinton because at least I know what I'm getting. I realized back in February that Obama is just an empty shell just like Bush. Bush is just a mouth piece and cover-up for the Republican Party. If Obama wins, he'll be the mouth piece for the Democratic Party. Sounds like fun! While yes with a Democrat I can sleep maybe a little easier, yet at the same time, it bothers me that Obama will basically be the wizard and we'll pay no attention to the jackasses behind the curtain. Him selecting Biden as the running mate just proves that there will be people behind the curtain calling the shots. What those shots will be I'm not so sure. But it has to be a lot better than McCain, Bush or anything out there to the right.

Back in 2004, I took this great class called Political Parties and Presidential Elections. One thing I learned is that basically the modern election cycle for the President is like a mass brainwashing. It's true too because I can't stomach to watch any sort of real news (CNN, MSNBC, and Fox...especially those fuckers).  And to think from July 2004 until late 2006, I was smitten about Obama. I'm glad I woke up.

It's times like these where I just wish things were different. I have a strange feeling if JFK jr. hadn't died back in 1999, I bet money Obama wouldn't even matter right now.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
God, JFK, JR would have been a disaster.  Talk about the Silver Spoon squad.

The head of the Kennedy family was effectively removed long ago.  They're out of the picture.

One good thing about having Biden around -- the last rounds in our current war can be fought with a Democrat in office.  If there's one party that knows how to fight a war, it's the Democrats.  Put Republicans in there and it's always a shit fest.  Even the weird post Cold War engagements are more fun, like Kosovo.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 01:55:32 PM
I'm still an Obama fan!  Fuck the haters!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 02:02:53 PM
Are you a fan of how he's forced Michelle to be "warmer and gentler?"  What did she say last night to Hillary?  "You've made 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling?"  Well, Daddy Obama and Uncle Joe are going to seal those right up.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: saintangelsin on August 26, 2008, 02:04:54 PM
I didn't say that it would've been better, but it's important to realize that Obama isn't really nothing new. I guess that's the point I was aiming for.

True that about the war. Though it does sting to realize that the disaster known as getting involved in Vietnam was technically started by a Democrat from Texas. My parents swear Johnson was the reason. They have even said that him and GW Bush are the reasons why there should be a rule about presidents from Texas, because they shoot first and ask questions later. But don't interpret that as that my parents hated LBJ. In fact, my mother loved his domestic policies.

Anyway, I'd like to think with the exception of LBJ and Vietnam that democrats know how to do a good fight. I suppose Kosovo was fun. If I ever meet Gen. Wesley Clarke, I'll make sure to ask him.

One more thing, Put the Republicans in anything, and it's a total shit fest. Seriously, because I can't think of a single republican who hasn't been a total disaster.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 26, 2008, 02:09:30 PM
One more thing, Put the Republicans in anything, and it's a total shit fest. Seriously, because I can't think of a single republican who hasn't been a total disaster.

Lincoln.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 02:10:42 PM
I honestly don't even know why I bother trying to participate in these threads.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: saintangelsin on August 26, 2008, 02:11:22 PM
One more thing, Put the Republicans in anything, and it's a total shit fest. Seriously, because I can't think of a single republican who hasn't been a total disaster.

Lincoln.

I'm referring to the modern Republican party. There's a t-shirt out there that says "If Lincoln was in politics today, he would be a democrat."
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 02:14:16 PM
One more thing, Put the Republicans in anything, and it's a total shit fest. Seriously, because I can't think of a single republican who hasn't been a total disaster.

Lincoln.

Lincoln left the Republicans for the 64 election.  And, when a Republican, he barely resembles today's GOP.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: saintangelsin on August 26, 2008, 02:15:58 PM
I believe in political science, we refer to these changes as party realignments. In fact, I think both are seriously due one real soon.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 26, 2008, 02:23:17 PM
I honestly don't even know why I bother trying to participate in these threads.

Did you guys hear something?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 02:25:16 PM
I believe in political science, we refer to these changes as party realignments. In fact, I think both are seriously due one real soon.


Most political scientists agree that the two existing parties have seen many realignments (or, perhaps, "corrections") since the Civil War.  The Democrats have gone from right of center nutjobs, to ultra liberal American pseudo-socialists, to centrist PC-culture social conservatives.  The current "Clinton" Democrat party is nothing like the party dominated by the Kennedy's, and neither are recognizable to the leftist sensibilities of the Democrats between the 1880's and 1930's.

The Republicans, likewise, have changed dramatically several times.

With the corporatism of political parties, and the current lobbying structure, we won't see a realignment of the sort you're referring to (the death of a party and rise of another).  That's a 19th Century thing, when politics was a back room game dominated by elders who, often, took the party with them when their generation died out.

Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on August 26, 2008, 02:27:08 PM
Saying that because Obama is clinching the nomination with Biden that the "glass ceiling" will "seal up" is fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: saintangelsin on August 26, 2008, 02:35:27 PM
Nacho - Exactly. Feels like you kinda read my mind or read one of my old essays. I was referring to both the death of a party, but also the change of attitudes in a party. But I doubt either one will happen and if it does, it'll be a slow progression of sorts. Actually right now, there are parts of the Republican Party that are splitting. For instance, in Virginia you have the Moderates vs. Neo-conservatives which is why a lot of experts are  saying that Virginia might show up blue on the electoral map in November.

While on the topic of political parties, I really liked what Jon Stewart said. He pretty much made the claim that all the people in the middle need to get together and form the reasonable party.

Saying that because Obama is clinching the nomination with Biden that the "glass ceiling" will "seal up" is fucking ridiculous.

I don't think so. Middle America will view this race as a moment where a woman gave a man a run for his money and obviously failed. I'll be amazed if I ever see something like Hillary Clinton again in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 02:35:43 PM
Saying that because Obama is clinching the nomination with Biden that the "glass ceiling" will "seal up" is fucking ridiculous.

I'm...not saying that.

Are you not following the Michelle treatment?  Ever since that fucking New Yorker cover, she's been totally redone.  Right down to how she dresses -- the bare arms are rare now.  Her entire appearance, demeanor, and attitude have been utterly homogenized into The Good Wife who Loves Everyone.  She's fast on the way to becoming the quiet anti-Michelle.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
Are you a fan of how he's forced Michelle to be "warmer and gentler?" 

It's fucking politics, man.  If you expect me to believe that a single politician since the dawn of TV coverage hasn't tried to alter their public persona (or the public persona of their spouse for that matter), then that's just ridiculous.  So what if he did?  He's trying to win the goddamn election against an opponent that will literally pick apart every gesticulation and misspoken sentence for weeks on end... of course he's going to be coaching his wife.  McCain is doing the same thing, I guarantee it.

Politicians alter their images to suit the fickle whims of the American public.  All of them are guilty of it at one point or another and to single out the Obama's particular brand of alteration as some sort of personal weakness is absurd.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 02:48:04 PM
I'm not expecting you to believe that.  And it is personal weakness.  The old Michelle is why lots of women and Old Left people gravitated towards Obama.

My point is that the alteration of Michelle's image is a very bad sign.  How long are we all going to parade around saying, welp, that's politics?  Can't change it!  Aus Juden! 
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 03:00:05 PM
Maybe it is personal weakness, but my point is that to criticize the Obamas for it is to criticize every politician for it. 
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 03:04:54 PM
I do criticize every politician for it.  It sickens me.  I hate them all.  And it's absolutely the final nail in Obama's coffin, even if that was simply a fabricated hope on our part for so-called "change."
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 03:16:30 PM
I guess I'm just willing to reserve judgement on the guy until, you know... he's actually had a chance to be in office (that is, if he actually wins in November).
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 03:21:27 PM
Dude, if McCain wins, I'm going to light a dumpster on fire.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 03:32:35 PM
Yeah, I will be devastated if he wins.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 26, 2008, 03:35:12 PM
So...they're suddenly neck-and-neck?  What is going on here?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 03:36:44 PM
Oh, god, I've tuned all that out.  I think the media wants them to be neck-and-neck, but that's impossible during a convention.  Plus, seriously, is McCain running anymore?  Because all I hear from his camp is:  We updated our Youtube channel today!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 03:41:17 PM
I wish I could go back and read our political freak-out posts from 2004.  I bet they are entertaining.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 03:41:42 PM
Ah, the lost forums.  2006 is in the archives, though.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 04:53:22 PM
Anyway, I still like Biden, for my own dark reasons.

And here's this today:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/08/joe-biden-fan-amtrak.php

Quote
Shortly after he was elected to the senate in 1972, Joe Biden's wife and daughter were killed in a car crash. To take care of his two sons he commuted an hour and a half from Washington to Wilmington, Delaware by train and has continued to do so ever since.

Not surprisingly, he is a big supporter of Amtrak and rail transport. In 2002 he said:

"For 30 years, I have witnessed Congress dangling a carrot in front of Amtrak's eyes, funding it just enough for it to limp along. And I'll tell you, this has to stop. Now is the time to commit politically and financially to a strong, safe, and efficient passenger rail system." ::Streetsblog

He showed up yesterday at Wilmington Station to say goodbye, saying: "I've been coming in here every single day for the last 35 years, and these guys have become my family." ::Delaware Online
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 26, 2008, 05:01:15 PM
Dude, if McCain wins, I'm going to light a dumpster on fire.

That'll change everything, Oswald.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 26, 2008, 05:05:40 PM
Oh, and McCain will be in it.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 26, 2008, 05:07:23 PM
Oh. Carry on then.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2008, 05:09:59 PM
HOW MANY HOUSES DO YOU OWN NOW, BITCH?!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on August 26, 2008, 08:30:20 PM
will obama appear on the field at mile high stadium wearing a john elway jersey and throw a 50 yard slant to Biden before taking the podium?  I hope so.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 26, 2008, 09:22:09 PM
will obama appear on the field at mile high stadium wearing a john elway jersey and throw a 50 yard slant to Biden before taking the podium?  I hope so.

He'd get my vote then.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 27, 2008, 11:54:00 AM
Hillary's speech last night was actually fairly awesome.  I enjoyed it anyway.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 27, 2008, 12:05:49 PM
I love the current state of the poll -- four way tie!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 27, 2008, 12:10:16 PM
I voted for the second one just because I know how pessimistic everyone's gotten about Obama.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: saintangelsin on August 27, 2008, 01:26:25 PM
I found this picture on another message board and thought it was quite funny. Then again, maybe I'm missing the joke. I'll let you all decide....

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/5263/obamamx7.jpg

(it's big so I'm only providing the link)
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 27, 2008, 01:34:11 PM
His font's got serifs!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 27, 2008, 01:53:44 PM
get everyone laid shit yeah!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on August 27, 2008, 02:57:42 PM
What did she say last night to Hillary?  "You've made 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling?"  Well, Daddy Obama and Uncle Joe are going to seal those right up.

The "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" bit is a quote from Hillary's defeat speech.  And it's beautiful and it made me cry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/07/AR2008060701879.html
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: saintangelsin on August 27, 2008, 03:02:52 PM
I also cried during her defeat speech.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 27, 2008, 04:30:39 PM
I know that.  And it's gay.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on August 27, 2008, 04:56:49 PM
Yeah, she totally lost because she's a woman and not because she staffed her campaign with blubbering idiots and ran it, generally, like shit! Totally!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 27, 2008, 08:48:06 PM
I also cried during her defeat speech.

I was there for that speech. It was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on August 28, 2008, 01:20:04 AM
Yeah, she totally lost because she's a woman and not because she staffed her campaign with blubbering idiots and ran it, generally, like shit! Totally!

Oh, of course.  But it's a powerful emotional statement to many, and it's a power that Obama would ideally (but pretty much won't) be able to fully capture.  Her attempts to harness it and pass it on are.. well.. emotional.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on August 28, 2008, 04:01:12 AM
tonight both clinton and biden made speeches.  both paled in comparison to hillary's.  that's my opinion.  basically there are three arguments:

hillary: obama is the democratic nominee.  do you want him and and his platform or the evil empire?
bill: obama could be exactly like me if he really tries.
biden: obama wants what's best for you.  in fact, the complete best, the most perfect best there could ever be.  the democratic party has always told you this, but obama's going to be the one who actually makes it happen.


hillary i actually felt an affinity for because her speech about unification was so powerful, emotionally (though not rationally) sound, and she didn't miss a beat. 

bill was bill, always the center of attention and the locus of the room, but was much less passionate.

Biden, though, supposedly, i'm supposed to be glad he's on the ticket instead of Lebilius, Hillary, or Richardson, laid an egg as far as actual thought goes.

to assume that bush single-handedly caused the mortgage crisis is absurd.

to assume that bush single-handedly caused the job rate to drop is absurd.

to claim that a precognition that afghanistan would become the new focal point instead of iraq or iran in the war on terror is proof of legitimacy is absurd.

to even buy into the fact that there is a war on terror instead of a war on specific seperatist radical muslim groups is absurd and to continue to even throw one platoon, much less two battalions as biden claimed tonight at the problem instead of real, hard dealings with both pakistan and afghanistan is really fucking absurd.

to believe that by voting barack obama as our president that we will come out from under both credit card debt and national debt is absurd. 

to believe that barack obama already has a stance on Russia v. Georgia (much less Russia v. every other former Soviet Republic) and that we have to rally around democracy above all other interests is fundamentally absurd.

to believe that Barack will save 95% of us from future tax increases based on his proposed plans is just preposterous. 

what really snuck in there is the argument that "barack will not stop fighting until women receive equal pay for equal work" is just laughable.  not because women are secondary, but because that issue is so low on the totem pole that i'm surprised biden mentioned it instead of supreme court nominations.

ultimately, to believe that we will have affordable, approachable, defiant health care for all US citizens is something you should not even hope for until about 15-24 other domestic problems are solved.

Hillary told us that it was okay to vote for Barack even if we really liked her better (which i didn't).  Bill told us it was alright to believe that it could be like 1993 again.  those are great pom-pom, bravo, rah-rah-rah ideas.

but for Biden, the newly crowned sage, veteran, emotionally-worn-yet-stable, diesel-based backup generator to our Black Young Aspirant to claim within 25 minutes that the democratic party can solve every single political wrong, moral deficit, and economic chicanery through one man is just an extreme insult to thinking people everywhere.

Biden, of course, had no other choice.  but if we're going to pick apart Bush for every misstep and then just throw the "another 4 years" tag on McCain, why do we have to do it in such a pandering manner?  there's no advantage to preaching to the choir.  Olbermann is going to respond "WOW" and Brit Hume is going to go "Well, ok, but does anyone BELIEVE someone from delaware is in touch with mainstream america?"  Isn't the bottom line that we're tired of lies?  isn't the bottom line that really, in their hearts, no one believes in McCain?  isn't the bottom line that we who have lived through one of the most politically aware decades of american politics, from the Clinton Impeachment to now, wants the serious issues addressed SERIOUSLY instead of with the same old softserve, party line, protect the future, win the percentage points, hegemony-supporting bullshit?

wait, wait.  i'm overreacting.  of course Hillary, Bill, and Biden all did what they have to do.  when you only lead by 1% and the margin of error is plus/minus 72, you need every break you can get.  but let's face it, Tom Hanks doesn't even get this much leeway.

what i'm really trying to say is that Biden's speech is the absolute low point of Obama's "Change" credibility.  I'm not asking him to install a three-party system or even focus on one issue until it's satisfactorily solved (the budget would be a nice start, though).  What i'm asking him to do, as the change candidate, as the person who's been talking to us like a new voice since god-forsaken 2006 is LOSE THE PARTY BULLSHIT.  G.W. didn't win on party bullshit.  he won on personality and an engineered desire for "morality" in our highest office.  Bush Sr. didn't win on party bullshit, he won on "I've worked for this my whole life, and i'm the guy you know."  Regan didn't win on party bullshit.  he won on "I'm popular and Carter's a fucking Georgia farmer living in a diplomat's body." 

Even clinton didn't win on party bullshit.  he won because he could work the machine like no one else save Kennedy could work the machine. 

i have no summary paragraph save for this: biden's speech made me, as an intelligent, independent-minded person, ill, and if he's the one supposedly giving gravitas and wisdom to this ticket, then what the fuck is Obama bringing us save a face, a background, a handshake, and a smile? 

god knows i'm going to vote for him, and god knows i'll fee a lot better about it than voting for kerry.  but god also knows that as of Jan 22nd, i am going to stay observant and do something i've never done before cause i haven't even felt capable:  try to remind my candidate and his congress of what they ran on.  if we can even accomplish 1/10th of what biden promised tonight, America could survive another 100 years.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 28, 2008, 09:22:40 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 28, 2008, 10:03:32 AM
I hate how Obama addresses the DNC as "My fellow Democrats".  Way to ignore potential cross-over voters who may be at the DNC!

He's definitely going to lose.

</t-i-c>
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on August 28, 2008, 05:39:14 PM
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Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 28, 2008, 05:40:47 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on August 28, 2008, 05:46:46 PM
I want to know what movie that's from because. Wow.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 28, 2008, 05:48:25 PM
My first guess is Zoolander, but I can't remember if they were in a jeep or not.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 28, 2008, 06:09:19 PM
The new ad!

He's got my vote now.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 28, 2008, 10:07:29 PM
It's Zoolander.

That's funny as hell.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 28, 2008, 10:13:02 PM
And morning again pulls ahead!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 28, 2008, 10:20:30 PM
Oh, it'll still be the Dead Zone. Make no mistake.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 29, 2008, 11:31:45 AM
How is no one talking about the incredible fucking speech Obama gave last night?  I felt like I was witnessing one of those historic speeches that we'll be hearing clips of for the next 50 years.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 12:07:23 PM
I didn't see it!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 29, 2008, 12:43:56 PM
Oh my god, man... it was just incredible.  I was totally floored.  I really didn't think that he'd out perform Hillary, but after about 30 seconds I wondered why I ever thought that.  He DESTROYED.... I really believe Sarah Palin owes her VP nod to Obama's speech last night.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 12:54:40 PM
I'll get it in me tonight.  Right after the four hour Sarah Palin Story on Lifetime.

And after daddy invested in the pipeline, he got me a new kitty.  I love Mr. Fluffies!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 29, 2008, 01:13:58 PM
HOW DO I VEEP?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on August 29, 2008, 01:39:26 PM
I'm watching the speech on YouTube right now. In between this and Palin being announced as the VP for McCain, I'm kind of giddy. Thanks for handing over the presidency, John, we'll see ya'll in 4 years.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 29, 2008, 01:44:08 PM
It was a pretty incredible speech last night. The guy inspires the hell out of me when he speaks.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: saintangelsin on August 29, 2008, 01:51:03 PM
Oh my god, man... it was just incredible.  I was totally floored.  I really didn't think that he'd out perform Hillary, but after about 30 seconds I wondered why I ever thought that.  He DESTROYED.... I really believe Sarah Palin owes her VP nod to Obama's speech last night.

I too was floored. I seriously think Obama nailed it quite nicely.

It's funny though for me, because I remember watching his keynote speech in 2004 and after that sucker, I was like "Obama is going to make one fucking great president someday..." (By someday, I meant running in like 2012 or something) I was crazy about Obama for awhile. I remember seeing him on the Daily Show back in 2006 and that was totally awesome. But my love for Obama went away in 2007 because I felt he was being an arrogant prick for deciding to run for President too early in his career. Not to mention, I felt like if I started supporting Obama among my peers that I was jumping on some sort of band wagon, which pissed me off because I had known about Obama way before most of my classmates ever did.

Well last night, his speech restored my faith in him.  A year ago, I was an Edwards supporter, six months ago I was a Clinton supporter, now I'm just supporting the Democratic ticket, but at least I'm cool with it all enough to walk into my neighborhood bar and say out loud to a few friends "Yes we can!" Needless to say, his speech renewed my hope about the election. Though he's not my ideological favorite, I can at least say that I'm going to vote for him, because he is something to believe. Might not trust him, but  I can at least believe him.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on August 29, 2008, 02:41:07 PM
Palin:  "I don't have 30 years of political experience under my belt but that's a good thing. I've never been part of a good-ol'-boys club."

Well...
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 09:31:38 PM
Watching the speech.  Running commentary!

He's very impatient at the start, eh?  People!  Shut the fuck up!

Haha!  Joe Biden in the house!

That Katrina stab is beautiful.  And the shout:  "Enough!"

"Eight is enough!" chant:  His tittering laugh at that is awesome.

Fuck you, trickle-down economics.  (Which Daddy Bush once called "Voodoo Economics" before he got picked to be a lackey.)

V-O-O _ _ _.  Anyone?  Anyone?

Well, frankly, I tuned out.  And did not cry.  It was very generic.  But, yeah, I'm voting Obama.



Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 29, 2008, 09:43:24 PM
BOO Nacho BOO
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 10:18:49 PM
Come on.  Get a grip!  His Iowa speech is far better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqoFwZUp5vc

And the Yes We Can speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe751kMBwms

Turned into this tearjerker video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY

Tell me all that linked above isn't miles better than the generic nomination speech.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 29, 2008, 10:29:58 PM
I could kiss that man.  He's so dreamy.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 10:31:28 PM
Yeah, those three links above guarantee my vote, no matter what.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on August 29, 2008, 10:40:55 PM
Love the music video -- John Legend totally makes that whole song.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 10:44:59 PM
That Yes We Can video is the only thing in the Obama Sensation that has moved me to tears.  All this other shit is just that. 

Those primary speeches are great.  Obama was amazing from December through April.

Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 10:46:14 PM
You can now change your vote on the poll.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on August 29, 2008, 10:47:56 PM
No need! :D:fap:
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 11:03:12 PM
Love the music video -- John Legend totally makes that whole song.

Even fucking Shoshanna Stern represents!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 11:17:29 PM
That Iowa speech... Man.  That's where my heart was won.

A President who ends the tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas and put a middle class tax cut into the pockets of working class Americans.

Harvest the ingenuity of farmers and scientists to free this nation from the Tyranny of Oil.

...who finally ends this war in Iraq and brings our troops home.  Who restores our moral standing.  Who understands that 9/11 is not a way to scare up votes...
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on August 29, 2008, 11:24:23 PM
God... "What led young women and young men to sit at lunch counters, and brave firehoses, and march through Selma and Montgomery for freedom's cause."

Oh, the Iowa speech.  God.  A story that, yes, can only happen in the United States of America.  Obama may be a Dead Zone, another Carter... But the healing that he can do is immeasurable.

Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on August 30, 2008, 12:01:14 AM
And that's what attracts me most... I know he's had to change some of his rhetoric, which I hope he changes back when he assumes the office, but to see people in France and Germany waving the American flag again in peace and love... that's why I want Barack Obama to be president. We're a broken nation. I think (and I recognize I'm projecting my own beliefs here) that this is proof that war will not heal a hurt nation. We've never recovered from 9/11. We lashed out, violently, angrily, and misguidedly. Many people died as a result of our pain. No pun intended, but hopefully, Obama will heal this damaged nation.

That's what I liked about his speech last night. He basically went out and said he was going to tear down everything Reagan built: a legacy of fear. Bush has shown himself, admirably, to be Reagan's successor. And that's what I love about the conservatives and Republicans. They have idolized that bastard and rewrote his history to be a sparking memoir of everything "beautiful" about conservativism. What Reagan summed up was the sentiment of the upper class of America: "Fuck you, I've got mine." While we were talking about closing down social programs our overall government spending was increasing 25 percent and fattening the pockets of the rich, who consumed and consumed and consumed and we stopped being a nation of producers and became a nation of consumers.

And in that Decade of Greed, Gil Scott Heron summed it up best: "As Wall Street goes, so goes the nation. And here’s a look at the closing numbers – racism’s up, human rights are down, peace is shaky, war items are hot - the House claims all ties. Jobs are down, money is scarce – and common sense is at an all-time low on heavy trading. Movies were looking better than ever and now no one is looking because, we’re starring in a “B” movie. And we would rather had John Wayne…we would rather had John Wayne."

Maybe America might grow up and stop looking for John Wayne.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on September 03, 2008, 02:04:50 PM
Really, guys?  You're getting emotionally involved with this guy?

No one changes their rhetoric back when they're elected.  It goes more and more away from what you hope for.  Toward the center...toward mediocrity and blandness.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 03, 2008, 02:30:02 PM
Really, guys?  You're getting emotionally involved with this guy?

No one changes their rhetoric back when they're elected.  It goes more and more away from what you hope for.  Toward the center...toward mediocrity and blandness.

I've argued your point of view with someone here at work.  They disagree.  They hope.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on September 03, 2008, 07:50:24 PM
I hope.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on September 04, 2008, 04:13:53 PM
Good luck.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 05, 2008, 07:57:49 AM
I love how DC has pretty much anointed Obama as the de facto president.  The jobs are already being handed out!  A co-worker's brother is an Obama staffer, and he's got her a job at one of the Senate buildings, as well as jobs for two of her friends, and says he'll see what he can scare up for me.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: vernae on September 05, 2008, 09:31:28 AM
I love how DC has pretty much anointed Obama as the de facto president.  The jobs are already being handed out!  A co-worker's brother is an Obama staffer, and he's got her a job at one of the Senate buildings, as well as jobs for two of her friends, and says he'll see what he can scare up for me.

Don't believe the hype....
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 05, 2008, 01:15:08 PM
I love how DC has pretty much anointed Obama as the de facto president.  The jobs are already being handed out!  A co-worker's brother is an Obama staffer, and he's got her a job at one of the Senate buildings, as well as jobs for two of her friends, and says he'll see what he can scare up for me.

Don't believe the hype....

Oh, right, vernae can see this forum.  Top secret!  Shush! 

But, yes, I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 08, 2008, 03:33:25 PM
YES WE CAN!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 10, 2008, 10:04:34 AM
NYT editorial (sent by Vernae)

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From the Gut
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

If John McCain can win this election race with a 50-pound ball called “George W. Bush” wrapped around one ankle and a 50-pound ball called “The U.S. Economy” wrapped around the other, then he deserves to represent America in the next Olympics in any race he wants — swimming, cycling or track — I don’t care how old he is. He would be the Michael Phelps of politics.

I confess, I watch politics from afar, but here’s what I’ve been feeling for a while: Whoever slipped that Valium into Barack Obama’s coffee needs to be found and arrested by the Democrats because Obama has gone from cool to cold.

Somebody needs to tell Obama that if he wants the chance to calmly answer the phone at 3 a.m. in the White House, he is going to need to start slamming down some phones at 3 p.m. along the campaign trail. I like much of what he has to say, especially about energy, but I don’t think people are feeling it in their guts, and I am a big believer that voters don’t listen through their ears. They listen through their stomachs.

If you as a politician connect with voters on a gut level, they will follow you anywhere and not fret about the details. If you don’t connect with them on a gut level, you can’t show them enough details. Obama early on, and particularly with young people, connected on a gut level like no other politician since Ronald Reagan.

But in recent weeks, I feel as though he has lost that gut connection. I thought his convention speech contained no memorable lines or uplifting visions. It never got me out of my seat. Forget trashing McCain’s ideas. If Obama wants to rally his base, he has to be more passionate about his own ideas. I have long felt that what propelled Obama early was the fact that many Americans understand in their guts that we need a change, but the change we need is to focus on nation-building at home. We’re in decline. We need to get back to work on our country. And that is going to require strong, smart government.

Who is bailing out Fannie Mae? Who is going to build a new energy system? Health care? More tax cuts are not going to do it. But I am just not sure that Obama is making the sale that he has the plan and passion to unite and mobilize the country for this task.

In a way, I would love to hear Obama say, just for shock value: “I am so eager to do whatever it takes to fix these problems that I am ready to be a one-term president. Mine will not be a presidency that is confined to the first 100 days. But that is what we have fallen into, folks. The first 100 days have become the only 100 days. Once they are over, presidents are told that they have to trim their sails to get ready for the midterm elections, and once the midterms are over they are told that they have to trim their sails and get ready for the next presidential election. We can’t solve our problems with a government of 100 days. I am going to work the hard problems the hard way for 1,461 days.”

I don’t know how long or high the “Sarah Palin bounce” will go, but I would take her very seriously as a politician. She may not know nuclear deterrence theory, but she can deliver a line. “I think there are a lot of women out there that look at her, holding her baby, talking about being a hockey mom, and say, ‘She knows what I feel; she’s going through what I am going through,’ ” remarked leadership expert John Maxwell.

As Neil Oxman, political consultant at The Campaign Group, put it to me: For half the country, “Sarah Palin is Roseanne from the ‘Roseanne’ show. ‘Roseanne’ was the No. 1 comedy five years in a row and seven out of nine in the top 10.” She is connecting at a gut level. So does McCain — and, therefore, they don’t need to give their constituents many details.

This race has a long way to go. It is still Obama’s election to lose. But Obama got where he is today by defining himself as the agent of change and by defining change as the issue in this election. McCain, with Palin’s help, has once again not only made Obama’s experience an issue, but has now moved in on Obama’s strength and tried to define the G.O.P. ticket as the party of “change.”

How, you ask, can two people running with the exact same policies as the party that has been in power for eight years, claim to be the agents of “change?” That’s politics. There’s no shame. But what this has done is to make the word “change” as a campaign slogan meaningless. Obama will need to find another way to connect his ideas — clearly, crisply and passionately.

Because, while the pollsters tell us it is still really close, my own totally unscientific, seat of the pants poll tells me this: When you say Obama’s name today and ask people for their first impression — a quick, flash, gut, first impression — no single word or phrase or policy comes to mind. His opponents will fill that vacuum if he doesn’t. They already are.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: vernae on September 10, 2008, 10:05:15 AM
Hey..I can post my own stuff? Now, how do I post a pic?  LOL
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 10, 2008, 12:20:39 PM
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In a way, I would love to hear Obama say, just for shock value: “I am so eager to do whatever it takes to fix these problems that I am ready to be a one-term president. Mine will not be a presidency that is confined to the first 100 days. But that is what we have fallen into, folks. The first 100 days have become the only 100 days. Once they are over, presidents are told that they have to trim their sails to get ready for the midterm elections, and once the midterms are over they are told that they have to trim their sails and get ready for the next presidential election. We can’t solve our problems with a government of 100 days. I am going to work the hard problems the hard way for 1,461 days.”

I really like this idea.  And he might as well, since the next president is pretty fux0red whether they try to be reelected or not.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: vernae on September 11, 2008, 11:11:55 AM
Misery Loves Democrats

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McCain, by the way, is the Republican nominee for president. You may remember him from the Sarah Palin convention in Minneapolis, where he gave a speech and was congratulated by Sarah Palin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/opinion/11collins.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 11, 2008, 11:43:03 AM
hahahahaaaaa... that's a great read

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One of the great things about this campaign is that both sides are convinced they’re going to lose.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on September 11, 2008, 10:13:53 PM
this whole thing is just a news story.  there is no real news, so now they're just making up a momentum shift.  but, here's an interesting question.

if mcCain wins and it's close....could we see the Dems throw up Obama, one groomed for four more years, told what, how, and when to act in the Senate, and, predictably, with more ammo against McCain (since John is doomed to mediocrity at best)?  what are the chances that happens?  or would Hillary just pull a Smokin' Aces at that point and put up a bounty on Obama's head?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 12, 2008, 10:57:28 AM
If the Dems lose in November, my guess is they will attribute the loss to the heated primary race which kept the party divided until just a few months before the election.  They'll do whatever they can to prevent that kind of thing from happening again.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on September 12, 2008, 12:12:22 PM
just went back and re-read that post.  maybe it's not that clear.  what i'm asking is could we have a back-to-back McCain/Obama elections if McCain wins this november? 
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 12, 2008, 12:57:13 PM
If the Dems lose in November, my guess is they will attribute the loss to the heated primary race which kept the party divided until just a few months before the election.  They'll do whatever they can to prevent that kind of thing from happening again.

Yeah.  And I don't think it's pre-determinable which one of them would get shunned for it, Obama or Clinton.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 12, 2008, 01:17:41 PM
I think Clinton should shoulder the blame. When Obama had the nomination locked up, she should have conceded and lent her full support to Obama. Not this bullshit about how she's going to keep fighting and blah blah blah I'm not conceding yet neener neener!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 12, 2008, 01:18:24 PM
Are we already writing off Obama?  Jesus...
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 12, 2008, 01:29:18 PM
I'm not!  I'm just saying IF.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on September 12, 2008, 02:05:20 PM
me either.  but i think if he does lose there's gotta be a chance we could see Obama 2: Judgment Day in 2012.  in the words of ATHF's Carl "That would be so freakin' sweet!"
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 12, 2008, 02:06:23 PM
I fully expect to wake up on November 7th a happy man.

But I need to prepare myself to wake up to a fucking nightmare.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 12, 2008, 02:07:54 PM
me either.  but i think if he does lose there's gotta be a chance we could see Obama 2: Judgment Day in 2012.  in the words of ATHF's Carl "That would be so freakin' sweet!"

Obama 3 was kind of sucky, though.  And the Michelle Obama Chronicles totally screws up the franchise (And Palin is not believable as a T-1001 model politician).  Here's hoping Christian Bale does a good job in Obama 4.

I fully expect to wake up on November 7th a happy man.

But I need to prepare myself to wake up to a fucking nightmare.

4th.

Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 12, 2008, 02:15:16 PM
I wonder if Clinton and Obama would be able to get over their seething hatred of one another enough to run on a ticket together in 2012.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: vernae on September 12, 2008, 02:16:19 PM
I wonder if Clinton and Obama would be able to get over their seething hatred of one another enough to run on a ticket together in 2012.

I hope not...
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 12, 2008, 02:21:26 PM
If the Republicans win, Obama and Hillary are out in 2012, or 2016.  They'll be the losers... Mondale Syndrome.

Hillary's future hinges on a Democratic White House, or a cleverly run "shadow presidency" in a Democrat-majority Congress.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 12, 2008, 02:25:45 PM
4th.

Right. I'm re-smarted.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 12, 2008, 02:40:18 PM
Actually, since the election is on the 4th, more likely than not, you will actually be waking up on the 5th to the news that Obama has swept McCain in the election.  You'll be able to tell for sure whether he did or not because there will be naked people running around in the street outside your bedroom window cheering and having gratuitous sex on (or with) your lawn out of sheer joy.  Because, you know.... it's fucking California.  Weird ass state full of weird ass people.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 12, 2008, 03:21:25 PM
Obama's campaign is saying that today is the first day of the rest of the campaign. They're going on the attack now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ2I0t_Twk0

Nice!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on September 12, 2008, 03:38:22 PM
That ad is too snooty and not patriotic enough. Quit preaching to the choir.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 12, 2008, 03:42:52 PM
The great downfall of the Democrat party:  They only think it's worth campaigning to their followers.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 12, 2008, 03:54:53 PM
It's not preaching to the choir -- it's a TV ad that plays to thousands of "undecided" people who basically do whatever the TV box tells them to. Not to mention, one of Obama's big knocks on McCain is the fact that he's out of touch with what's going on with America. He doesn't know how to use a computer, which I think could have dire consequences in his decision-making regarding things like telecommunications and technology policy. Not to mention the fact that he's out of touch on a lot of other things like what countries still exist or not and whether or not our economy is in the dumps.

If this is preaching to the choir, then isn't every other TV ad?

This is just the part where Obama stops taking every punch and starts fighting back.

It's clear that calm, rational logic doesn't work so well in TV ads.

The debates will play a big part in swaying undecided voters, I think. Scratch that. The debates wont matter. The media's response to them will.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 12, 2008, 03:58:27 PM
I like this one better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBtbG5xjFBY&NR=1
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on September 12, 2008, 03:59:39 PM
I'm telling you, Tyson, the average American will look at that snooty little ad with its fancy music and smarmy dialogue as bashing McCain. It'll be so easy to counter that ad by calling it "elitist" and making fun of the Obama camp saying Mccain's out of touch? hah! Obama's out of touch with AMERICA!

Obama's preaching to the choir of the youth vote that already knows McCain's out of touch simply because he's old.

You're right that calm, rational logic doesn't work so well. Neither will this.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 12, 2008, 04:49:39 PM
Wow.  This person's not even trying to explain or understand.  Wow.  It's like they cut and pasted the text and then just put the wrong headline on it.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/11/a-reminder-of-obamas-compassionfor-jihadists/

Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on September 12, 2008, 05:01:22 PM
yes, FUCK COMPASSION
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 18, 2008, 09:13:25 PM
CNN's "Poll of Polls" puts Obama at 47 and McCain at 44. I feel a little less uptight today, but I wont exhale until November 5th.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on September 19, 2008, 08:25:37 PM
Research shows this ad tears shit up with people who both care about animals and the "don't take our guns!" crowd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 20, 2008, 12:19:57 AM
But this is the Obama thread!

So, right, fuck Palin. I'm fine with hunting and gun ownership (within reason, of course), but some of that shit goes way too far.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on September 20, 2008, 10:08:14 PM
first debate on friday, right?  we're getting a more open debate than in years past.  and obama scored a point by getting the "main issues" of the debates flip-flopped so we're getting foreign policy first, then town hall Stupid-Question-Ganza second, and economy last (for the ratings drop off third debate).   

but how is Las Vegas prepping for the Palin-Biden debate?  that's what I want to know.  what are the odds she storms off the stage or breaks down into tears?  what are the odds Biden just backhands her Mad Men style?  what's the over/under for Biden doing a "i'm looking down and shaking my head with a smug smile at what this cunt just said" moves?  is it a longshot that Palin cries out "You forgot Poland!"?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 20, 2008, 10:39:35 PM
But if the economy is the topic of the debate with the low ratings, how is that a win for Obama?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 21, 2008, 02:08:56 AM
omfg the debate will suck.  Obama will use the same speech he made @ the convention; he'll just chop it into debate-sized pieces.  He'll also use the same style of rhetoric for every other answer.

McCain will explode all your heads with bare illogical emotional appeals.  Nearly everything he says will viscerally hurt critical thinkers who are within earshot.  There will be some wishy washy avoidance and probably a select couple of clear pro-Republican statements -- maybe a clear gun control & a surprise statement, even more obscure than clear stem cells.  But most of it will just be from a surreal alternate universe and it will physically hurt your head to try to parse his intent.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 21, 2008, 02:10:45 AM
I can't wait!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 21, 2008, 02:11:19 AM
That's how it's been for me for 8 years, and it feels like he's signing on board to that republican playbook -- it's exactly what Sarah Palin's reception is all about: taking the discussion far, far outside of the home turf of democrats.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 21, 2008, 08:14:14 AM
Fajwat's right.  And so is Tyson.  It'll be hilarious.  We could just have Danny Devito as the Penguin and the dwarf from Twin Peaks perform the following:

"Change.  Change change.  Change."

"I FOunD Some CHAQNGE onCE in HANOI!!!!!"

"Change change change!"

"Ot wuz a QUARTERRR..."
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 22, 2008, 01:53:32 PM
Absolutely brilliant . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21dowd-sorkin.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21dowd-sorkin.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin)

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Aaron Sorkin Conjures a Meeting of Obama and Bartlet
By MAUREEN DOWD

Now that he’s finally fired up on the soup-line economy, Barack Obama knows he can’t fade out again. He was eager to talk privately to a Democratic ex-president who could offer more fatherly wisdom — not to mention a surreptitious smoke — and less fraternal rivalry. I called the “West Wing” creator Aaron Sorkin (yes, truly) to get a read-out of the meeting. This is what he wrote:

BARACK OBAMA knocks on the front door of a 300-year-old New Hampshire farmhouse while his Secret Service detail waits in the driveway. The door opens and OBAMA is standing face to face with former President JED BARTLET.

BARTLET Senator.

OBAMA Mr. President.

BARTLET You seem startled.

OBAMA I didn’t expect you to answer the door yourself.

BARTLET I didn’t expect you to be getting beat by John McCain and a Lancôme rep who thinks “The Flintstones” was based on a true story, so let’s call it even.

OBAMA Yes, sir.

BARTLET Come on in.

BARTLET leads OBAMA into his study.

BARTLET That was a hell of a convention.

OBAMA Thank you, I was proud of it.

BARTLET I meant the Republicans. The Us versus Them-a-thon. As a Democrat I was surprised to learn that I don’t like small towns, God, people with jobs or America. I’ve been a little out of touch but is there a mandate that the vice president be skilled at field dressing a moose —

OBAMA Look —

BARTLET — and selling Air Force Two on eBay?

OBAMA Joke all you want, Mr. President, but it worked.

BARTLET Imagine my surprise. What can I do for you, kid?

OBAMA I’m interested in your advice.

BARTLET I can’t give it to you.

OBAMA Why not?

BARTLET I’m supporting McCain.

OBAMA Why?

BARTLET He’s promised to eradicate evil and that was always on my “to do” list.

OBAMA O.K. —

BARTLET And he’s surrounded himself, I think, with the best possible team to get us out of an economic crisis. Why, Sarah Palin just said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers.” Can you spot the error in that statement?

OBAMA Yes, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac aren’t funded by taxpayers.

BARTLET Well, at least they are now. Kind of reminds you of the time Bush said that Social Security wasn’t a government program. He was only off by a little — Social Security is the largest government program.

OBAMA I appreciate your sense of humor, sir, but I really could use your advice.

BARTLET Well, it seems to me your problem is a lot like the problem I had twice.

OBAMA Which was?

BARTLET A huge number of Americans thought I thought I was superior to them.

OBAMA And?

BARTLET I was.

OBAMA I mean, how did you overcome that?

BARTLET I won’t lie to you, being fictional was a big advantage.

OBAMA What do you mean?

BARTLET I’m a fictional president. You’re dreaming right now, Senator.

OBAMA I’m asleep?

BARTLET Yes, and you’re losing a ton of white women.

OBAMA Yes, sir.

BARTLET I mean tons.

OBAMA I understand.

BARTLET I didn’t even think there were that many white women.

OBAMA I see the numbers, sir. What do they want from me?

BARTLET I’ve been married to a white woman for 40 years and I still don’t know what she wants from me.

OBAMA How did you do it?

BARTLET Well, I say I’m sorry a lot.

OBAMA I don’t mean your marriage, sir. I mean how did you get America on your side?

BARTLET There again, I didn’t have to be president of America, I just had to be president of the people who watched “The West Wing.”

OBAMA That would make it easier.

BARTLET You’d do very well on NBC. Thursday nights in the old “ER” time slot with “30 Rock” as your lead-in, you’d get seven, seven-five in the demo with a 20, 22 share — you’d be selling $450,000 minutes.

OBAMA What the hell does that mean?

BARTLET TV talk. I thought you’d be interested.

OBAMA I’m not. They pivoted off the argument that I was inexperienced to the criticism that I’m — wait for it — the Messiah, who, by the way, was a community organizer. When I speak I try to lead with inspiration and aptitude. How is that a liability?

BARTLET Because the idea of American exceptionalism doesn’t extend to Americans being exceptional. If you excelled academically and are able to casually use 690 SAT words then you might as well have the press shoot video of you giving the finger to the Statue of Liberty while the Dixie Chicks sing the University of the Taliban fight song. The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it.

OBAMA You’re saying race doesn’t have anything to do with it?

BARTLET I wouldn’t go that far. Brains made me look arrogant but they make you look uppity. Plus, if you had a black daughter —

OBAMA I have two.

BARTLET — who was 17 and pregnant and unmarried and the father was a teenager hoping to launch a rap career with “Thug Life” inked across his chest, you’d come in fifth behind Bob Barr, Ralph Nader and a ficus.

OBAMA You’re not cheering me up.

BARTLET Is that what you came here for?

OBAMA No, but it wouldn’t kill you.

BARTLET Have you tried doing a two-hour special or a really good Christmas show?

OBAMA Sir —

BARTLET Hang on. Home run. Right here. Is there any chance you could get Michelle pregnant before the fall sweeps?

OBAMA The problem is we can’t appear angry. Bush called us the angry left. Did you see anyone in Denver who was angry?

BARTLET Well ... let me think. ...We went to war against the wrong country, Osama bin Laden just celebrated his seventh anniversary of not being caught either dead or alive, my family’s less safe than it was eight years ago, we’ve lost trillions of dollars, millions of jobs, thousands of lives and we lost an entire city due to bad weather. So, you know ... I’m a little angry.

OBAMA What would you do?

BARTLET GET ANGRIER! Call them liars, because that’s what they are. Sarah Palin didn’t say “thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. She just said “Thanks.” You were raised by a single mother on food stamps — where does a guy with eight houses who was legacied into Annapolis get off calling you an elitist? And by the way, if you do nothing else, take that word back. Elite is a good word, it means well above average. I’d ask them what their problem is with excellence. While you’re at it, I want the word “patriot” back. McCain can say that the transcendent issue of our time is the spread of Islamic fanaticism or he can choose a running mate who doesn’t know the Bush doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine, but he can’t do both at the same time and call it patriotic. They have to lie — the truth isn’t their friend right now. Get angry. Mock them mercilessly; they’ve earned it. McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library. It’s not bad enough she thinks the planet Earth was created in six days 6,000 years ago complete with a man, a woman and a talking snake, she wants schools to teach the rest of our kids to deny geology, anthropology, archaeology and common sense too? It’s not bad enough she’s forcing her own daughter into a loveless marriage to a teenage hood, she wants the rest of us to guide our daughters in that direction too? It’s not enough that a woman shouldn’t have the right to choose, it should be the law of the land that she has to carry and deliver her rapist’s baby too? I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. And you’re worried about seeming angry? You could eat their lunch, make them cry and tell their mamas about it and God himself would call it restrained. There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!

OBAMA Good to get that off your chest?

BARTLET Am I keeping you from something?

OBAMA Well, it’s not as if I didn’t know all of that and it took you like 20 minutes to say.

BARTLET I know, I have a problem, but admitting it is the first step.

OBAMA What’s the second step?

BARTLET I don’t care.

OBAMA So what about hope? Chuck it for outrage and put-downs?

BARTLET No. You’re elite, you can do both. Four weeks ago you had the best week of your campaign, followed — granted, inexplicably — by the worst week of your campaign. And you’re still in a statistical dead heat. You’re a 47-year-old black man with a foreign-sounding name who went to Harvard and thinks devotion to your country and lapel pins aren’t the same thing and you’re in a statistical tie with a war hero and a Cinemax heroine. To these aged eyes, Senator, that’s what progress looks like. You guys got four debates. Get out of my house and go back to work.

OBAMA Wait, what is it you always used to say? When you hit a bump on the show and your people were down and frustrated? You’d give them a pep talk and then you’d always end it with something. What was it ...?

BARTLET “Break’s over.”
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 22, 2008, 03:51:28 PM
Absolutely brilliant . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21dowd-sorkin.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21dowd-sorkin.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin)

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Aaron Sorkin Conjures a Meeting of Obama and Bartlet
By MAUREEN DOWD


omg. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 22, 2008, 10:04:11 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/vpchange.asp
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 22, 2008, 10:06:50 PM
I feel bad for adding to the rumor mill by posting that link, but fuck it... it's interesting to think about I guess.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 22, 2008, 10:30:52 PM
Fuck them if they do that.  Fuck them all!

Health problems.  Jesus, Biden is dragging cars with his teeth outside of every bar in Washington.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 22, 2008, 10:36:07 PM
Bullshit internet rumor.

What Nacho said.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on September 22, 2008, 11:06:29 PM
Bullshit internet rumor.

What Nacho said.

possibly spread by rabid clintonites in hopes of a self-fulfilling prophesy?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 22, 2008, 11:08:07 PM
Dropping Biden for Clinton would be political suicide. Palin would be President within the year. And I swear to god I'd move to fucking Norway or England or something.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 22, 2008, 11:09:29 PM
I could get so many grants for SFWP in Canada...
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 22, 2008, 11:46:59 PM
I'm going to build an underground bunker-house, stockpile it with enough food and booze and porn to last a good 10 years or so.  Then I'll seal it off and just wait for the apocalypse.  You guys should come!  I'll have Rock Band and beer!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 23, 2008, 07:52:30 AM
Okay.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 23, 2008, 08:21:57 PM
That Sorkin article was awesome.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 26, 2008, 11:34:22 AM
Sarah Silverman:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHHX9R4Qtk
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on September 26, 2008, 01:29:54 PM
"He's... supercircumsized!"
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on September 26, 2008, 01:34:42 PM
Funny!

But also interesting that some Jewish organization paid for it...
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on September 26, 2008, 02:10:13 PM
Yeah, it actually seems like it might be an earnest campaign... seems a little unrealistic to me.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on September 27, 2008, 09:57:45 AM
You can never tell with these Sarah clips.  That Jewish organization might be made up (or the butt of a weird in-joke.)
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Dragonfly on October 04, 2008, 01:13:23 AM
If I hear that one more person down here actually, seriously, believes Obama is the Antichrist ... I may snap.

Then there is this tirade against "Obama's Mama" in defense of Palin's daughter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4-TZspqlOs

This is what I have to deal with in Middle Georgia.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 04, 2008, 07:41:50 AM
And...just about everywhere else outside of the major eastern and western cities.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 05, 2008, 02:11:17 PM
So Palin played the terrorist card a little too early.  This is November 4th shit, girl!  Come on.


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Obama campaign rejects Palin 'terrorist' gibe


(CNN) -- Barack Obama's campaign has quickly rejected Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's claim that he associated "with terrorists who targeted our own country."

Palin attacked Sen. Obama on Saturday for his brief political relationship with Bill Ayers, a founding member of the radical Weather Underground, which was involved in several bombings in the early 1970s, including attacks on the Pentagon and the Capitol. Obama was a child at the time of the bombings.

Obama and Ayers, now a university professor, have met several times since 1995, when both worked with a non-profit group trying to raise funds for a school improvement project and a charitable foundation. CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.

Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said the two had not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the U.S. Senate in 2005. He said they last met more than a year ago when they encountered each other on the street in a Chicago neighborhood where both live. Fact checking Palin's claim

Palin's attack delivered on the McCain campaign's announcement that it would step up attacks on the Democratic presidential candidate with just a month left before the November general election.

"We see America as the greatest force for good in this world," Palin said at a fund-raising event in Colorado, adding, "Our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." VideoWatch more on what Palin said »

She referred to an article in Saturday's New York Times about Obama's relationship with Ayers, now 63. But that article concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.'"

Several other publications, including the Washington Post, Time magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic, have debunked the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship. VideoWatch CNN's Truth Squad examine Palin claims »

Riot and bomb conspiracy charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974, and he is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago.

Obama campaign spokesman Hari Sevugan called Palin's comments "offensive" and "not surprising" given the McCain campaign's statement that "they would be launching Swift boat-like attacks in hopes of deflecting attention from the nation's economic ills."

With Obama rising in polls while the country struggles in the grip of a financial crisis, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign decided to shift attention away from the troubled economy and on to issues of his opponent's character, judgment and personal associations, the Washington Post reported.

"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, requesting anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss strategy. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here."

McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers told CNN, "We are coming up on 30 days until the election, and there are a lot of unanswered questions about Sen. Obama's judgment."

The Obama camp said the tactic wouldn't work.

"What's clear is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would rather spend their time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy," Sevugan said.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on October 05, 2008, 02:30:11 PM
In a way, we can thank Hillary Clinton for vetting Obama.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on October 05, 2008, 02:36:42 PM
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on October 05, 2008, 02:37:59 PM
hahaahahha

Terrorist fist...... jab?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 05, 2008, 02:40:32 PM
Wow.  I hate my country.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on October 05, 2008, 06:14:34 PM
It's lucky to be black!

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That is in Marietta... I grew up in Marietta.  I am so ashamed.  I hate it when people generalize about Southerners because I am a Southerner and I don't feel like those generalizations are fair based on my experiences in Atlanta... and then shit like this happens.  Fucking ridiculous.

Quote from: AJC.com
Group protests Cobb bar, calls Obama T-shirts racist

By CHRISTIAN BOONE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 05/13/08
 
Marietta bar owner Mike Norman says the T-shirts he's peddling, featuring a look-a-like of cartoon chimp Curious George peeling a banana, with "Obama in '08" underneath, are not meant to offend.

Norman acknowledged the imagery's Jim Crow roots but said he sees nothing wrong with depicting a prominent African-American as a monkey, "We're not living in the (19)40's," he said. "Look at him . . . the hairline, the ears — he looks just like Curious George."

About a dozen prostestors rallied against the shirts Tuesday afternoon, condemning them as racist and asking Norman, longtime proprietor of Mulligan's Bar and Grill on Roswell Street, to stop selling them.

Marietta native Pam Lindley, 47, joined the protest after reading about the controversy online.

"I don't want people to think this is what Marietta is all about," she added, motioning towards the tavern. "This is what some people think the South is still like. Marietta's come a long way but I guess it's still got a little ways to go."

She said she'd like to see the city ban Norman's provocative musings regularly posted on a sign out front of the bar, which is near Marietta's downtown square. The loosely formed coalition of civil rights activists who gathered Tuesday say they will continue their campaign against Norman's "hate speech."

But his defenders are just as resolute. Mulligan's is a refuge, they say, in an otherwise hypersensitive world. Here, smoking isn't only allowed, it's expected.

"This place is a diamond in the rough," said Gene McKinley, a Woodstock engineer. "People here are genuine and honest. It's the one place I can go without having to worry if I'm offending someone."

Norman said he's been he's been fielding calls throughout the day about his T-shirts, which he began selling in late April. "One guy in New Jersey wanted me to send him 100 shirts," said Norman, 63.

He said he noted physical similarities between the Democratic frontrunner and the cartoon monkey while watching a Curious George movie with his grandchildren.

Someone — "probably a customer, I don't know" — from Arkansas sent him the shirts, Norman says. He has no plans to mass market them.

Not that's he's bowing to pressure. The Tennessee native figures he's providing a public service of sorts, reminding people they have a right to offend.

"This is my marketing tool," he said.



So I happened to ride by Mulligan's yesterday when I was out on my bike.  The sign out front read:

Obama

He's like a caramel-dipped Jimmy Carter.



Fucking Georgia sometimes, I swear.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on October 05, 2008, 06:42:35 PM
wow! that's obscene.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Dragonfly on October 05, 2008, 09:20:47 PM
Damn, Nubb-  Now you know why I want out. 
The past 10 years in Ga have been great, but I just can't stand it anymore!

At first glance, until I read the article, I thought the T-shirt as a reference to George Bush...  i.e.: "Curious, George?" 
And Obama is definitely no Uncle Jimmy....  If they meant appearance, he'd be more like Kennedy.

(I have to admit I got a little chuckle picturing numerous former presidents literally dipped in caramel... 
Then, in reference to the idea of jello fights, I moved on to visualizing Sara & Michelle in a giant vat of caramel!
Mmmmm...  gooey, sticky, delicious caramel.)
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on October 06, 2008, 02:55:53 AM
Most of Atlanta's not too bad, really.  There are still those pockets of crazy hillbillies though.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on October 07, 2008, 02:44:59 AM
Damn, Nubb-  Now you know why I want out. 
The past 10 years in Ga have been great, but I just can't stand it anymore!

At first glance, until I read the article, I thought the T-shirt as a reference to George Bush...  i.e.: "Curious, George?" 
And Obama is definitely no Uncle Jimmy....  If they meant appearance, he'd be more like Kennedy.

(I have to admit I got a little chuckle picturing numerous former presidents literally dipped in caramel... 
Then, in reference to the idea of jello fights, I moved on to visualizing Sara & Michelle in a giant vat of caramel!
Mmmmm...  gooey, sticky, delicious caramel.)


you just basically covered the whole gamut of CNN's campaign coverage from 2006 to the present, whether you realized it or not.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on October 09, 2008, 02:21:19 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D9ZU0W/

Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on October 10, 2008, 08:03:29 PM
oh my god.  i just realized that if Obama wins we are going to see Right Wing Bitchfest 2.0, which is like what happened to people's conversational powers back when Clinton was president, only squared.  While many people bitch about Bush nonstop, it is generally because of his complete and total failure and how he led this country as if he was on a wild Vegas Binge Convention with a junket of crazed political pretenders.  but if Obama becomes president, we're just going to hear snide comments all day long from our conservative fellow citizens.  Everything will be second-guessed with the perspective of "he's black!" or "he's a secret muslim!"  Even when Obama fails to reveal himself as a secret domestic terrorist who pulled some giant Count of Monte Cristo in order to hand our country part and parcel over to Black and Arabian muslims, people will still suspect him of it and view anything he says as doublespeak. 

oh god!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 10, 2008, 11:50:02 PM
Which is why we need McCain to win.  Because then we'll get into a larger war.  And, the more war, then the more the ignorant right wingers will be killed.  Eventually, all the draft dodging liberals will rule.  Then you all will get your Jimmy Carter.

Blood will buy you what you want.  But only blood.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on October 11, 2008, 01:19:53 AM
another sloe gin fizz and a bowl of pretzels for mr. nacho, please! 
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on October 11, 2008, 12:32:25 PM
http://wonkette.com/402743/typical-florida-person-creates-years-best-campaign-sign

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Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 17, 2008, 12:04:18 PM
So the Post finally endorses a candidate..."without ambivalence"...at the last possible moment.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/16/AR2008101603436.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Quote
    “There are few public figures we have respected more over the years than Sen. John McCain. Yet it is without ambivalence that we endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president.

    The choice is made easy in part by Mr. McCain’s disappointing campaign, above all his irresponsible selection of a running mate who is not ready to be president. It is made easy in larger part, though, because of our admiration for Mr. Obama and the impressive qualities he has shown during this long race. Yes, we have reservations and concerns, almost inevitably, given Mr. Obama’s relatively brief experience in national politics. But we also have enormous hopes.”

    “Mr. Obama is a man of supple intelligence, with a nuanced grasp of complex issues and evident skill at conciliation and consensus-building. At home, we believe, he would respond to the economic crisis with a healthy respect for markets tempered by justified dismay over rising inequality and an understanding of the need for focused regulation. Abroad, the best evidence suggests that he would seek to maintain U.S. leadership and engagement, continue the fight against terrorists, and wage vigorous diplomacy on behalf of U.S. values and interests. Mr. Obama has the potential to become a great president….”
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 19, 2008, 12:57:46 PM
Powell endorses Obama:

Quote
Saying about Obama, "I think he is a transformational figure." and "Obama displayed a steadiness. Showed intellectual vigor. He has a definitive way of doing business that will do us well", Powell also expressed his disappointment in McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate and cited McCain's use of Bill Ayers as "disappointing".

Powell also indicated that he was dismayed by the McCain campaign and others in the Republican party hinting that Obama was Muslim.

No surprise.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on October 19, 2008, 01:18:02 PM
Coming out against the claims of Obama being a Muslim is pretty important in the public discourse, though.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 20, 2008, 03:46:53 PM
Joe Biden, forgetting about a live mic, said the following at a fundraiser in Seattle:

Quote
It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking…Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate… And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.

A little bit scary.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2008, 03:49:03 PM
What does he mean, "generated crisis?"
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 20, 2008, 03:49:28 PM
The vodka's making him paranoid.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2008, 03:51:32 PM
I think whoever wins the election will have no time to adjust to anything. To use the most cliched 24 hour news term possible, the next president will have to "hit the ground running."
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on October 20, 2008, 03:57:23 PM
It's scary but look at all the words that are being thrown against him and Michele Bachmann's call for media investigation of "anti-American activities".
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 21, 2008, 11:00:24 AM
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/21/26-papers-that-endorsed-bush-go-to-obama/

Quote
Via Editor & Publisher comes word of a trend in terms of newspaper endorsements:


    Taking a look at our daily endorsement tally so far, the Obama-Biden ticket has a hefty lead in both total newspapers and total circulation. But another figure that favors the Democratic candidates is the number of newspapers that have endorsed Sen. Obama despite supporting President Bush's reelection in 2004.


I know, I know. If you're a McCain fan, your eyes are bulging right about now, and you're fuming something about more evidence of how "in the tank" the media is for Obama. Of course, four years ago, you probably weren't complaining much when the same editorial boards gave George W. Bush the thumbs up.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on October 21, 2008, 01:09:29 PM
Republicans are deserting ship, man.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on October 21, 2008, 10:00:04 PM
newspaper endorsements are made so the editorial board can feel good about having a big think and then sell some extra copies.  if i had to rank effectiveness of newspaper endorsements as far as influencing how people vote, it would come right above "bumpersticker placed haphazardly on the mirror over the urinal in a bar" and right below "a precocious teenager's eager support for candidate written into a prime time family sitcom".
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on October 22, 2008, 05:14:05 PM
I've factored them into my local elections & especially ballot initiatives decision making process.  They're useful when there hasn't been much exposure.  not so useful for the president race, for me at least.  But then, not much would be able to sway my presidential vote.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 26, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
Hah!

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/26/alaskas-largest-newspaper-endorses-obama/


Quote
The Anchorage Daily News is excited that one of their own has been tapped for national office, but the editors just don't think Sarah Palin is qualified:

    Gov. Palin's nomination clearly alters the landscape for Alaskans as we survey this race for the presidency -- but it does not overwhelm all other judgment. ... despite her formidable gifts, few who have worked closely with the governor would argue she is truly ready to assume command of the most important, powerful nation on earth. To step in and juggle the demands of an economic meltdown, two deadly wars and a deteriorating climate crisis would stretch the governor beyond her range. Like picking Sen. McCain for president, putting her one 72-year-old heartbeat from the leadership of the free world is just too risky at this time.

The paper, the largest in the very conservative state, concludes that Obama brings "far more promise" to the office of the presidency than John McCain.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Matt on October 27, 2008, 03:12:20 AM
It's not like Palin read it anyway.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 27, 2008, 04:19:39 AM
She reads every paper, Matt.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on October 27, 2008, 04:53:05 AM
All of them, really. Whatever comes across her desk.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on October 30, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
Here we go!


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Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2008, 07:01:47 PM
Is it wrong of me to be offended that the Obama campaign is sending me emails asking for money with three days until the election?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2008, 07:09:24 PM
Considering that he has more money than god, yes.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2008, 08:27:38 PM
I think you mean, "no." Unless you're saying that I'm wrong for being offended?

After the Mein Kampf Holiday Special they burnt cash for, they shouldn't be asking anyone for more money.

Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2008, 08:52:01 PM
Oh, right.  I mean no.  You are not wrong.

I'm voting McKinney.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2008, 08:54:48 PM
BOB BARR 4 EVA!!!!!!
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2008, 09:02:44 PM
My election guide posts on Monday.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2008, 09:04:14 PM
That I can't wait to see.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2008, 09:05:35 PM
It's just for Montgomery County.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2008, 09:07:48 PM
Oh . . .
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on November 01, 2008, 09:10:00 PM
It's a 29 page manifesto on property taxes and council voting procedures.

And I also offer to pay the legal fees for anyone who assassinates Van Hollen.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Cassander on November 01, 2008, 09:12:13 PM
he needs that money to use on the ground.  seriously, with all this pre-emptive talk about voter fraud and problems with ballots, obama is really praying for a big win instead of a very close one so there won't be any gray areas or, god help us, a repeat of 2000.  so all that money's for the 4th, putting gas in the buses, paying watchdogs, thousands of t-shirts, stickers, signs, etc. 
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on November 03, 2008, 12:54:24 PM
Oh, right.  I mean no.  You are not wrong.

I'm voting McKinney.

Ditto here.

Also: Kerry didn't cash my August check until very very late -- I forget how late but I think it was sometime mid-October.  WTF?  And Kerry's campaign ended with $40mil in the bank if I remember right.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: fajwat on November 03, 2008, 12:55:48 PM
he needs that money to use on the ground.  seriously, with all this pre-emptive talk about voter fraud and problems with ballots, obama is really praying for a big win instead of a very close one so there won't be any gray areas or, god help us, a repeat of 2000.  so all that money's for the 4th, putting gas in the buses, paying watchdogs, thousands of t-shirts, stickers, signs, etc. 

Bullshit.  It's for four years from now.  It's for buying off congresspeople in the meantime by helping their campaigns.  Just wait to see how much surplus he ends with.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 03, 2008, 05:49:13 PM
My election guide posts on Monday.
Quote
Then we have the two court of special appeals at large people – Robert Zamoch and Deborah Eyler.  We get to vote yes or no for continuance in office.  I always vote no on questions like that because, seriously, keep these fuckers on their toes.

Ha!  This is exactly what I do...for the same reasons.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2008, 05:52:08 PM
I think that's the stupidest thing.  At least make them run like all those other unopposed people.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Tatertots on November 03, 2008, 05:54:20 PM
Obama's grandmother died. Man, that's got to be tough. She was an integral figure in Obama's life.
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2008, 05:56:18 PM
Shitty timing, too.  So will he be drunk and crying when he makes his acceptance speech tomorrow night?
Title: Re: Obama/Biden 08
Post by: Nubbins on November 03, 2008, 06:04:08 PM
Obama's putting his campaign on hold until his grandmother is not dead.