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Title: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 14, 2007, 12:31:33 PM
For those who constantly tell me that alcohol doesn't age once it's in a bottle, which is insane and retarded.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/12/opinion/trlambic.php

 
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Some beers really do get better with age
By Jeff Boda

Tuesday, December 12, 2006
 CHIMAY, Belgium: This year's vintage was good. The bottle from 1997 was even better, with the flavors coalescing into something special. But it was the 1970 edition that really opened eyes to what aging a bottle can do.

Not a bottle of wine, but a bottle of beer, in this case Chimay Grand Reserve. Gone were the telltale signs of beer: the bitterness, the carbonation and the foamy head. In their wake was a thick brew that tasted solely of chocolate with a little dried fruit, something to be savored with only the best of friends.

"It's an alternative to cognac after meals, with a cigar or chocolate," said Dominique Denis, the brewmaster for Chimay, nestled inside a Trappist monastery a few kilometers from the French border in southern Belgium.

For a select group of beers, their ideal place is in the cellar, alongside red wines, ports and whiskeys, where their rough edges can mellow and their flavors evolve. Kept in cool conditions and away from light — the same conditions for storing wine — any yeast left in the bottle will continue to ferment in the bottle for a few years. As the beers gently oxidize, the tastes will evolve from brash to refined, as the alcohol flavor fades away. The beer's aroma changes and the bitterness melts away, replaced by drier, sweeter flavors.

"At first you taste this and this and this flavor, but later you get a marriage of flavors and a certain smoothness," said Garrett Oliver, brewmaster of Brooklyn Brewery in New York and author of "The Brewmaster's Table: Discovering the Pleasures of Real Beer with Real Food." He added, "The fruit and earthy flavors step forward, the bitterness steps back."

Most beers shouldn't be aged. The most common, the mass-market lagers such as Heineken, Stella Artois and Carlsberg, are designed to be drunk as soon as they leave the brewery. So are Belgian wheat beers (Hoegaarden) German weisses (Schneider or Hacker-Pschorr) and American pale ales (Sierra Nevada).

"It's a relatively small group of beer that are robust enough to age," Oliver said.

But beers that have alcohol levels of 8 percent or higher and are full-bodied can cellar. More alcohol means there's more sugars and flavors that can evolve.

Look for beers that have big malty flavors; that's a sign they will sweeten over time. Avoid those with lots of hops flavors, which break down over time, leaving an unpleasant tealike flavor, Oliver said. Skip beers that are pasteurized, which stops the brewing process altogether. If there is yeast in the bottle, that's good. The yeast will continue its fermentation for a few years, changing the existing flavors and adding new ones, before it dies out and adds its own taste, a biscuity flavor found in old Champagnes, Oliver said.

"The rules for aging beer are very similar for whether or not a wine is suitable to age," he said. "You want enough residual sugar, or enough fruit or body, to carry through over time, but at the same time enough bitterness to hold up too."

How long beer should age depends on ingredients and how it is brewed. Magnums can age for longer periods than 33- centiliter, or 11-ounce, bottles, while a British barley wine can age for years, even decades, longer than an Orval from southeast Belgium, which usually peaks after a few years. Age a beer too long and the flavors will eventually fade.

"All beers don't age the same," said Nasser Eftekhari, owner of Beer Mania in Brussels, a specialty beer store that ships Belgian beers suitable for aging to customers around the world. "Usually, brown beers age better than light beers, and the big beers twice as long as small bottles." He added, "Alcohol and aging have a direct relationship. More alcohol is usually better for aging."

One exception is a special type of Belgian beer, called lambic, Eftekhari said. Dry and sour, it usually contains between five and six percent alcohol, but is made for aging. "The older, the better," he said.

Eftekhari recommends aging beer in a dark room, at no more than 20 degrees Celsius, or about 68 degrees Fahrenheit. Oliver recommends 10 to 13 degrees Celsius. If the bottle is corked, keep it on its side, Oliver said, and watch out for temperature fluctuations and light, which can ruin the beer. Like wine, beer can spoil during aging if air enters the bottle or if the cork or cap is infected.

After a year, open a bottle and compare it to a fresh bottle, and you'll start to see the difference age makes. "Beer isn't better after a few years, but different," Eftekhari said. "It's not the same as wine, in one vintage is better than the other," Denis said. "Here the evolution will remain. The product will evolve, these aromas with time evolve."
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: fajwat on March 14, 2007, 01:09:22 PM
yeah, we know.  and for god's sake, don't kill all those microbes by leaving all your beer in the fridge all the time.  treat it like you would wine, or at least don't kill them in the fridge (or hot car).
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 14, 2007, 02:51:35 PM
I've had some of the Chimay Blue - 1989. It was class. My French mate's granddads' friends' friend had a load, so my mate brought some over.

But that really only works for "real" beers... i.e. NOT lager shit like Bud or Miller or what - i.e. NOTHING made in America.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 14, 2007, 04:04:23 PM
I've been wanting to try that!

And fuck you with your American beer hatred.  You have a skewed view because you faggots over there import our worst possible crap and think that's America.  Classic mistake.  American microbrews are still very strong, and very good.  Right now, I'm with the classic first wave of the microbrews -- Pete's.  Pete's Wicked Ale is a tasty little beer for these first hot days.

Though today was a force Yuengling day.  I had to go to the bar where Biden was talking.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Nubbins on March 15, 2007, 01:10:54 PM
Fuck tequila... beer is where it's at.  Love it.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 15, 2007, 01:38:26 PM
Good idea!  I have several weird beers of the Heather Ale variety in the fridge.  I'll try the seaweed one!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 15, 2007, 01:48:02 PM
I'm trying to decide if I should call off work tonight and just start drinking the Newcastle and Blue Moon in the fridge.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 15, 2007, 02:37:08 PM
Yes.  Do that.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 15, 2007, 02:55:24 PM
And fuck you with your American beer hatred.  You have a skewed view because you faggots over there import our worst possible crap and think that's America. 

Fuck your yankie beer, and yourself, right up the ass.

We have Guinness. All that's ever needed. End of story. Yankee cunt.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 15, 2007, 03:17:55 PM
Oh, wow.  Okay grandpa.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 15, 2007, 05:23:10 PM
P.S. Your forum "new post" markers aren't working properly for me.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 15, 2007, 05:36:42 PM
I miss a few now and then, as well.  Since a majority of them appear most of the time, I've chosen to ignore the problem.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 15, 2007, 05:47:59 PM
It only seems to be your Child Board on this though.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 15, 2007, 07:22:05 PM
Oh, well, that's fine, then.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 15, 2007, 07:35:18 PM
It's so not.

P.S. I've just been gifted a litre bottle of Crown Royal whiskey - the stuff they drink in The Goodfellas :D
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 15, 2007, 08:19:02 PM
Ah!  Good breakdown whiskey!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Nubbins on March 16, 2007, 04:14:25 PM
Crown Royal sponsors a NASCAR... lol redneck.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 16, 2007, 06:27:35 PM
Back to beer.  Today's lunch was Sam Adam's White.

I used to love all of the Sam Adam's seasonal stuff, but now they've either lost their charm or just gone to shit.  Like this one!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Tatertots on March 16, 2007, 08:41:41 PM
I've got two bottles of Red Label that have been sitting in my fridge for about 8 months now. I need to tap that shit.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 16, 2007, 09:13:40 PM
First take it out of the fridge.  Jesus.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Tatertots on March 16, 2007, 10:40:04 PM
Stripe. Not Label.

I'm sorry. I've been hovering over acrylic paints and huffing a bag full of spray-mount all day. Later today, I'm going to look out my window and dream of imaginary friends to dare me to show my wee-wee before I splinter my desk and drive shards through my eyes.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: fajwat on March 17, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
We have Guinness. All that's ever needed. End of story. Yankee cunt.

I agree with that.  Except that having Harp and/or Bass around for the occasional black & tan can be nice.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Tatertots on March 17, 2007, 10:23:49 PM
Man, I miss Guinness. After tasting it out of the tap, I'll never be able to drink the bottled shit ever again.

Maybe I'll go to a bar next... Uh...

RED STRIPE!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 17, 2007, 11:23:00 PM
Man, I miss Guinness. After tasting it out of the tap, I'll never be able to drink the bottled shit ever again.

Maybe I'll go to a bar next... Uh...

RED STRIPE!

Unless you've been to Ireland, you haven't tasted what Guinness is REALLY like.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Tatertots on March 18, 2007, 12:23:13 AM
Is there a difference?
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 18, 2007, 12:44:27 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on March 18, 2007, 03:33:30 AM
Silly Tyson. Is there a difference...

of course there is. Anything imported is far better if it isn't.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 18, 2007, 09:54:02 AM
Guinness is weird.  Allegedly, it can't travel well.  And I do believe that. There's a difference between a Guinness in Dublin and one in London. By the time it makes it over here, it's not even Guinness anymore.  It's kind of like an artificially Guinness-flavored stout.  Which is why I'm put off by the "correct preparation of a Guinness" sub-culture we have.  It has to be chilled in the perfectly coiled, perfect length hose on just this right amount of that and this and pulled like this and that... A whole cult.

Dudes, it's crap.  Sub-standard.  Just dump it in a glass.  It's like I've fucked a beautiful woman and they're telling me to fuck a fiberglass board and saying it'll be the same.

Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 18, 2007, 12:02:33 PM
Guinness in Ireland really does taste a lot better.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on March 18, 2007, 12:20:13 PM
nach, if you take your time, make sure there's some candles around, set the right mood, fucking that fiberglass board will be much closer to the same.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Nubbins on March 18, 2007, 12:53:05 PM
Is there a difference?

leprechaun semen
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 18, 2007, 01:28:06 PM
Is there a difference?

leprechaun semen

Actually, Leprechaun's are notoriously afraid of water and any vessels which sail upon it.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 18, 2007, 10:24:03 PM
That's something I don't understand about all the witchy/pagan people here in the States.  If faeries, witches, and magical/supernatural creatures in general can't cross running water, then how are can they possible be here? 

Oh, oh, oh, they say, that's all myth.  So it's fucking myth only when it suits them, eh?  Because the running water rule predates any sort of organized paganism. 

The up-side is that no one in America should fear vampires or other similar ghouls, because they can only cross small bodies of running water -- rivers and the sort. 

Witches, we have two options.  Real witches:  No.  Because it's hereditary, and there's no way you could cross an ocean.  Which means all witches in America, if we're to insist that they're here, fit into the second definition, which is far more popular:  Communing with Satan.

All outdated concepts now because, if we were to actually follow the old religions with any sense of history and how they were, we'd realize that there's nothing magical in America except for scary Skinwalkers and spider women and other horrible indians.

Modern mysticism might as well have "For Entertainment Purposes Only" stamped on it.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Tatertots on March 19, 2007, 02:17:59 AM
Witches migrated from Russia across the land bridge!

WITH DINOSAURS!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 19, 2007, 08:16:36 AM
Correct, Tyson. Although it's the frozen Bering Straits, not a land bridge.

Technically... oceans aren't "running" water, Nacho - that's reserved for rivers and streams than "run" along a set course, rather than swilling around in tides and currents like seas and oceans.

Isn't the water thing only relevant if they can't fly?

But that doesn't matter anyway, cause America is pretty gay. All the cool stuff is in Britain/Scandinavia/Europe/Africa and whatnot... which have all been land-joined in previous ecological cycles [i.e. with sea levels and whatnot].

Leprechauns, fairies, faeries, trolls, demons, daemons, goblins, hobgoblins, pixies... etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 19, 2007, 08:45:21 AM
Does flying negate the rule?  And why would all these magical creatures want to cross the Bering Straight?  I've always thought that seemed like alot of work.  Cold, man.  And faeries from Ireland?  How in the world would they ever have gotten to America using the Bering Strait?  What witch would actually decide to go along, anyway?

Hey, I heard there's a way to another continent!

Oh?  Where?

Up north.

...

...

Up north?

Yes.

Um, like, where up north?

Oh, you know, a ways.  You coming?

A ways...like..?

Um...all the way up.

All the way up? 

Yeah.  Like, Alaska and stuff.

What?  Dude.  That's, like, a big fuck off glacier right now.  Haven't you been watching the news?  Wall. Of. Ice.

Yeah, sure, but you can cross over it.

Yeah, sure, you can die doing that.  I'm staying right down here.  We got supermarkets, health care... I don't get this whole tromping around in the ice and snow.

But you need to follow the tribe and do witchy things!

There's not much witchy shit I can do if I'm wearing my bodyweight in fur, walking in chest deep snow and getting attacked by starving sled dogs all day!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 19, 2007, 08:54:09 AM
Wasn't this thread about beer?
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 19, 2007, 09:15:25 AM
Faeries and Witches can do what they like - probably even teleport.

That way one can negate many problems of transit.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 19, 2007, 10:32:44 AM
How do they know coordinates, then?  I mean, okay, there's a New World.  I'll just pop on over... But they don't know anything about it. And what if they popped into the wrong place and fell in with a tribe of indians?  Who would win?  A European witch or an indian Skinwalker?
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 19, 2007, 11:21:25 AM
How do they know coordinates, then?  I mean, okay, there's a New World.  I'll just pop on over... But they don't know anything about it. And what if they popped into the wrong place and fell in with a tribe of indians?  Who would win?  A European witch or an indian Skinwalker?

You ask such simple questions.

ESP and Remote Viewing, nacho. That's how they see it. How do they know where to quest? They are natural, earth creatures, and simply ask Mother Earth - "yo, bitch - wassup? Me and the posse here wanna be mosying on down wherever one be's wantin', hoe."

Then they teleport. Also, if coordinates where wrong, they'd simply hover mid-air, you fool. These creatures can fly.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 19, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
So if they go teleporting to a land that is already richly populated with supernatural creatures -- bigfoot, indian shit, other shit -- how's that work out? How do you just assimilate into that culture without becoming transformed into some sort of hybrid mysticism by the time you get to the modern day?  Because all the wavy gravy pagan people, though altering definitions a bit, still follow somewhat "traditional" lines. You'd think modern witches would be in business suits, talking on the cell phone, making things go.  Not dancing in the woods.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 19, 2007, 11:37:01 AM
Hey, I'm not saying that they *did* go to America. I'm just explaining how they could've.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 19, 2007, 11:42:07 AM
I think you're pulling this whole teleport theory out of thin air, man.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 19, 2007, 11:43:08 AM
Qualify that statement, man.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 19, 2007, 11:54:17 AM
Well, first, they need the knowledge.  So is that universally shared by "Mother Earth"?  If so, were they teleporting all over the place all the time?  And if that's the case, how come we don't have the same sort of culture?  Like Aztec witches flying around on brooms and vampires with bad accents rising up in Vermont and faeries untying clothes lines in rural Oregon?

Second -- why would any of them let it leak out that running water fucks with them?  Why not just pop behind a tree, teleport, then call from the other side of the river.  Yoo-hoo!  It's shallow over there!  I made it fine!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 19, 2007, 12:21:40 PM
Social memory isn't perfect, Nacho.

I'd bet one of those tricksie pixies told somebody who told somebody, about witches not liking water. Or maybe cats gave it away... what with, like, you know, not liking water.

Then the vatican destroyed all of the written knowledge regarding social memory, and made up some lies about some tiny arabic guy with a beard.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 19, 2007, 12:26:30 PM
All conjecture.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 19, 2007, 03:18:59 PM
All conjecture.

So's your face.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Malorn on March 27, 2007, 04:45:18 PM
Since this thread was originally hijacked, I now return you to your previously scheduled program.

Beer.  I'm off to have a Left Hand Milk Stout immediately after work.

I never thought I'd really ever be interested in them but I tried a Mackeson XXX a few years back and now I seek them out whenever possible.

Fortunately we have a beer joint that's local to us (www.beerknurd.com (http://www.beerknurd.com)) and they have most of the few remaining milk stouts on tap.  None of you will be drinking milk stouts after work, will you?  No, probably not.  So piss off.

-M
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 27, 2007, 04:49:58 PM
Well, I'll head to the store and get some now!  To be honest, I know nothing about them...and, certainly, have never had one on tap!

It doesn't quite sound like an 80 degree day drink, though.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Malorn on March 28, 2007, 08:34:17 AM
Well, I'll head to the store and get some now!  To be honest, I know nothing about them...and, certainly, have never had one on tap!

It doesn't quite sound like an 80 degree day drink, though.

It isn't.  But yesterday sitting in the cool breeze of a covered patio was heaven.  I had my mandatory three pints and then I went about my business.  Bliss.

Were you able to find any?

-M
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Cassander on March 28, 2007, 07:46:14 PM
James, your next assignment is to follow Rudyard Grangow, a suspected irish zealot. See if he's smuggling milk stouts into England and using the money to buy arms.

-M
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on April 04, 2007, 05:26:24 PM
You'll probably need to login:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/source/features/2007/beer-madness/index.html

So, anyway, Brooklyn Lager wins the WP's Beer Madness Tournament. 

But, I don't care about that.  Let's look at the no names that made it high up in the ranking.  I'm going to start trying them out. 

(1) Allagash White out of Maine. Hailing out of a tiny NE brewery.  Made it up to the semi-finals, finally getting beat out by our own local Dominion Ale (recently sold to fucking Busch, thank you).


(2)Ellie's Brown Ale out of Colorado.  It got all the way up to the finals against Brooklyn Brown Ale.  It even beat out my precious Pete's Wicked Ale. 

So, tonight:  To the beer shop!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on December 12, 2007, 10:44:14 AM
Nice...

http://www.blogaboutbeer.com/2007/12/11/the-modern-day-ipa-heard-round-the-world/
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on December 12, 2007, 11:54:40 AM
Nice...

http://www.blogaboutbeer.com/2007/12/11/the-modern-day-ipa-heard-round-the-world/

IPA is nice.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2007, 03:56:54 PM
Holy shit, I have the uncropped version of that picture they have featured at the top of the blog on my wall. It was a New York Times feature photo, absolutely beautiful. A glass of beer, so crisp condensation was forming and in the back, a harbor. Takes me away, I say, takes me away
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on December 20, 2007, 11:05:52 PM
Just picked up a six-pack of Pilsner Urquell as an early Christmas present to myself. And a six-pack of Labatt because it reminds me of home :)
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2007, 06:46:26 AM
Finish them both tonight and flood the forums with posts.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on December 21, 2007, 12:47:48 PM
That'd be blowing my load early! I'm planning on going out tonight though.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2007, 12:53:53 PM
Two sixpacks in a night is blowing your load?  Maybe I do have a problem...
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2008, 09:24:46 AM
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A $400 Pint of Carlsberg
from blogaboutbeer.com by blogaboutbeer

Carlsberg claims it has made “probably the best beer in the world” and they’re backing it up with a price tag to match. According to bloomberg.com,

    The brewer, Scandinavia’s biggest, introduced a beer today that costs 2,008 Danish kroner ($396.47); the price being based on the year of its introduction. The Vintage No. 1 brew will be sold at three Copenhagen restaurants, including Noma, a holder of two Michelin stars and the world’s 15th-best restaurant in 2007, according to S.Pellegrino.

Carlsberg has produced 600 bottles of the 10.5% ABV beer, each of 37.5 centiliters (a little less than one pint). According to the brewer, the manufacture of this beer isn’t going to stop any time soon, either. Another version — costing 2,009 kroner — will be introduced next year and one for 2,010 kroner the year after, the company said today in an e-mail.

    “We’re trying to raise the bar for what a beer can be,” Jens Eiken, the brew master at Jacobsen who developed the product, said today by phone. The beverage is ‘cheap’ considering the amount of time the brewery spent developing it, he said.

Don’t expect any bottles of Vintage No. 1 reaching state-side, however, as no plans have been made (as of yet) to export the brew (oh to be an eBayer in Denmark…). The beer will replace the current most expensive beer in the world — Samuel Adams Utopias.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on January 26, 2008, 11:43:07 AM
Ouch.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on January 29, 2008, 03:58:37 PM
fuck it BUD LIGHT
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on January 29, 2008, 03:59:03 PM
I went out to eat with my bosses last Saturday and one of them ordered a bud light, at a Mexican restaurant. I lost a little bit of respect for him. :(
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Nubbins on January 30, 2008, 10:41:33 PM
fuck it BUD LIGHT

This could pretty much be my tombstone I think.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on January 31, 2008, 12:54:05 AM
I had some Stella from the tap at Buffalo Wild Wings yesterday; it was my first taste of de bubbly in a while. It was good.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 18, 2008, 11:09:57 AM
Nice...

http://www.blogaboutbeer.com/2008/03/17/are-self-serve-bars-a-good-thing/
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: monkey! on March 18, 2008, 11:21:14 AM
Nice...

http://www.blogaboutbeer.com/2008/03/17/are-self-serve-bars-a-good-thing/

Meh - that'd be boring. Why not just stay at home?
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on April 21, 2008, 08:31:50 PM
Trying out the Sierra Nevada Stout...and it is delicious!


http://www.sierranevada.com/beers/stout.html

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Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on April 21, 2008, 08:48:34 PM
I really need to start branching out. Lagers are a dime a dozen and I love them all, but stouts and pale ales I have some trepidation towards.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on April 21, 2008, 09:06:03 PM
You can really go wrong with stouts.  Pale Ales not so much...almost always good.  Try the Long Hammer IPA from Red Hook.  My current favorite.

Anything Flying Dog or Dogfish is good, too.  Though Dogfish makes IPA's for the advanced palate.  You don't want to rush into them.  Build up your taste for IPA's, then go Dogfish crazy.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Tatertots on April 22, 2008, 01:50:46 AM
Sierra Nevada has a great pale ale, but I'm blanking on its name...
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on April 22, 2008, 07:28:21 AM
Sierra Nevada has a great pale ale, but I'm blanking on its name...

It's called:  "Pale Ale."

They don't name their brews.  Though they do have seasonal brews, the best of which is the 7% Celebration Ale for winter.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Nubbins on April 22, 2008, 05:03:10 PM
Oh man!  I love Sierra Nevada!  I also love dark beer, so I will have to keep my eyes peeled for that one.

Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Tatertots on April 22, 2008, 05:22:56 PM
Right, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. I'm retarded.

They sponsor some triathlons, so sometimes I'll finish and, God almighty, there's a fucking keg at the end and they fill you up. Nice.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Matt on April 22, 2008, 10:32:39 PM
It's like drinking liquid bread!
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on April 22, 2008, 10:50:06 PM
We're not building pyramids!  We're drinking as part of the Civilization Pleasure Principle.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Nubbins on April 22, 2008, 11:46:33 PM
Now, I'm no triathlete, but I'm pretty sure that were I able to complete a triathlon, the last thing I'd want at the end would be a Sierra Nevada.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on April 22, 2008, 11:50:46 PM
Now, I'm no triathlete, but I'm pretty sure that were I able to complete a triathlon, the last thing I'd want at the end would be a Sierra Nevada.

Well, that's Tyson.  0% body fat.  Training for the Venus Sun-Facing Summer Iron Man.  Ends every 57 mile flat-out-run with a keg of Shiner.

Man... Is Tyson cooler than you, Nubbs?  Because all you do is manly stuff with bikes and cars.  Tyson, he's obviously a day-walking vampire.

Whew!  Beer!  Thank god, I just finished swimming the English Channel.
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Post by: Tatertots on April 23, 2008, 12:01:16 AM
Oh, you have no idea how good beer tastes after kicking your ass for hours.
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Post by: Nubbins on April 23, 2008, 12:01:54 AM
Also he looks better in tight pants than I do :(
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Post by: Matt on April 23, 2008, 12:08:59 AM
I'm getting fitter! I'm nowhere near shape but I've been running for the past three-ish weeks? Four maybe? I've lost track. Three times a week and it's starting to show.
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Post by: Tatertots on April 23, 2008, 02:53:53 AM
Man... Is Tyson cooler than you, Nubbs?  Because all you do is manly stuff with bikes and cars.  Tyson, he's obviously a day-walking vampire.

I dunno. I'm kind of like a gay version of Nubbins. I ride bikes too! But mine are small and light and painted in attractive color schemes. I wear biking clothes too! But mine are skin-tight and illegal in three states. Nubbin's bike gets him laid! My bike makes me want to lay down sometimes.
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Post by: nacho on April 23, 2008, 07:33:24 AM
So you're the guest star in the comic episode where Nubbins and his friends land on Gay Planet and, when they step out of the rocket, there's a completely queer equivalent for each of them?
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Post by: monkey! on April 23, 2008, 09:08:36 AM
So you're the guest star in the comic episode where Nubbins and his friends land on Gay Planet and, when they step out of the rocket, there's a completely queer equivalent for each of them?

What?

Since when did you fags turn this BEER thread into GAY?
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Post by: Matt on April 23, 2008, 10:23:10 AM
So you're the guest star in the comic episode where Nubbins and his friends land on Gay Planet and, when they step out of the rocket, there's a completely queer equivalent for each of them?

And everyone has little goatees. :3
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Post by: monkey! on April 23, 2008, 10:26:59 AM
So you're the guest star in the comic episode where Nubbins and his friends land on Gay Planet and, when they step out of the rocket, there's a completely queer equivalent for each of them?

And everyone has little goatees. :3

With devil horns? And their servants are all BEARS.
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Post by: Matt on April 23, 2008, 10:28:39 AM
Nubs loves bear come in a can.
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Post by: Nubbins on April 23, 2008, 10:54:37 AM
This thread is unbeerable.
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Post by: monkey! on April 23, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
What have I done!?
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Post by: Matt on April 23, 2008, 07:18:04 PM
I ask myself that most Saturday mornings.
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Post by: Matt on April 23, 2008, 07:18:25 PM
Usually the best thing to do is immediately delete all text messages. Next, find out where I am. Then walk home.
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Post by: Goblin_Queen on May 29, 2008, 02:04:45 AM
I had to retake my bartending course and my teacher is a beer snob.  He taught me a lot about beer and the difference between lagers and ales.  Now I want to be a beer snob and try them all.
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Post by: Tatertots on May 29, 2008, 02:41:07 AM
People who know the difference between beers are the most annoying douchebags at parties.

"Hey, can I have a Coors Li-"
"Actually, you shouldn't follow a shot of Jäger with a two-row barley based beer because blah blah I'm a big fat douchebag."
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Post by: nacho on May 29, 2008, 07:38:25 AM
Now, there's beer snobbery...and there's beer snobbery.  Knowing the difference between lagers and ales is good, but what Tyson describes is bad.

It's the dumbing of America that we don't know our beers.  I guess it's possible to get away with that in a culture that doesn't question the description "fish sandwich." 
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Post by: Nubbins on May 29, 2008, 12:26:05 PM
Well just like everything else, there's a time for beer snobbery.  When you're grilling out in your backyard on a Saturday afternoon and you want to kick back and relax with a good beer... knowing what beer will suit the occasion is a good thing.

When you're home on Friday after a long ass week at work and all you want to do is tie a buzz on... anything will do.
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Post by: nacho on May 29, 2008, 02:13:04 PM

When you're home on Friday after a long ass week at work and all you want to do is tie a buzz on... anything will do.

Just Fridays?
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Post by: Nubbins on May 29, 2008, 02:22:23 PM
Touché
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Post by: RottingCorpse on May 29, 2008, 02:31:48 PM
Last weekend, I had to drink Miller Lite at my sister's Memorial Day party because they got a keg. It tasted like stale water.
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Post by: Nubbins on May 29, 2008, 03:20:08 PM
Yeah, if I were putting on a Memorial Day party, it would be Sweetwater 420 and Pabst Blue Ribbon all the way.
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Post by: nacho on May 29, 2008, 03:22:40 PM
Virginia people don't know how to party.
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Post by: fajwat on May 29, 2008, 03:56:19 PM
i've had much more old dominion ale in maryland than i've had in va.
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Post by: nacho on May 29, 2008, 03:59:33 PM
They suspended their brewery tours recently.  Old Dominion is snooty!
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Post by: Matt on May 30, 2008, 09:26:23 AM
Bud and Coors Light flows like water past my lips. Thanks, college.
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Post by: monkey! on May 30, 2008, 09:53:43 AM
It's the dumbing of America that we don't know our beers.

Paris will make you cry.

Customer: "Hello, can I have a beer, please - half a pint."

Me (again annoyed): "Half a pint of what?" Gestures to the array of beer-pumps laid out before the customer.

Customer: "Normal."

Me: *Cries*
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Post by: nacho on May 30, 2008, 10:08:03 AM
There's a huge group of people who want it to be like in the movies, where you just ask for "beer."  I've talked to people who are nostalgic for that, even though they weren't alive back then. 

Which is ignorant, because the reason you see that is so the script could avoid naming any brands.  It wasn't ever like that in real life.

Though, sticking with the movie definition (based on observation), the correct beer to pour when the customer asks for "beer" is a bog standard lager. 

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Post by: fajwat on May 30, 2008, 12:38:45 PM
yeah, people are funny like that with the movies.

it's part of the reason that Repo Man makes me so happy every time I watch it.
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Post by: Nubbins on May 30, 2008, 07:05:42 PM
Repo Man is ALWAYS intense!
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Post by: Tatertots on May 30, 2008, 08:16:14 PM
I've always kind of wondered what you'd get if you just asked for beer. Next time I'm at a restaurant, I'll order "a food and a beer, please."
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Post by: Cassander on August 29, 2009, 11:57:46 PM
the website is all flash and you can't link just pages, so...

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Enjoy Shiner's Smokin' Sommer Bier!
Brewed with pale malt that's been smoked with native mesquite in the backyard of our little brewery in Shiner, Texas (pop. 2,070), this refreshing Helles-style beer has a smoky flavor that goes great with all the flavors of summer.

just popped up at my local grocery.  i instantly grabbed it.  right now i'm halfway through the bottle.  it tastes unique, but it kind of reminds me of something else i can't put my finger on.  there's no full-on mesquite taste like i anticipated.  but it's pretty good.  mixed reviews around the web, though.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on March 31, 2010, 07:25:37 PM
Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout ain't no Guiness, but it's tasty all the same. There's a hint of what almost tastes like Worchestshire Sauce. It's pretty good.
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Post by: Cassander on September 12, 2010, 05:53:43 PM
Drinking Flying Dog's Garde Dog this weekend.  apparently a summer seasonal, though I never saw it anywhere except for whole foods the other day.  Pretty damn good. 

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Bière de Garde, or "keeping beer", is a style of ale traditionally brewed in the Pas-de-Calais region of France. These farmhouse-style beers were usually brewed in the winter and spring, to avoid unpredictable problems with the yeast during the summertime.

Typically, beers of this style are of a copper colour but vary from golden to almost black, and as the name suggests the origins of this style lies in the tradition that it was matured/cellared for a period of time once bottled (and most sealed with a cork), to be consumed later in the year, akin to a Saison

so...like a summertime barleywine?  but not as strong.
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Post by: nacho on September 12, 2010, 06:01:41 PM
Flying Dog rocks.  If you come up here this spring, we'll go slum it in Fredneck.  Hit the brewery, buy whatever cast-off case of whatever they have (there's always something they're getting rid of for, like, ten bucks a case), and then we'll crash in a hotel.
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Post by: nacho on September 23, 2010, 05:39:58 PM
Wow!  Magic Hat's "Hex" -- their Octoberfest seasonal -- is amazing.  Get it in you.

It's best very, very cold.  As it warms up to room temperature (I'm sitting here in an 86 degree apartment) it starts to lose the edge and a smooth maltiness comes out. If that's okay with you, then it's still good.  But I'm not a fan of it.

But, when I started, I poured a super-chilled bottle into a frosty glass from the freezer and -- bang!  I'm sold.
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Post by: Cassander on September 24, 2010, 02:03:36 AM
the one major (in my mind, because it made it to dumbfuck, NC) microbrewery that is missing from the NOLA area.  I really do miss it.  Actually, that and Sweetwater.  I'll gladly shell out 7 bucks for a bottle of 420 everytime i pass through the Atlanta airport. 
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Post by: nacho on September 24, 2010, 09:19:27 AM
No Magic Hat in NOLA?  Oh...sad news.
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Post by: Cassander on September 24, 2010, 12:31:38 PM
But we do have Brooklyn and Red Hook.  Go figure.
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Post by: nacho on September 24, 2010, 01:19:57 PM
I used to love Brooklyn in the early 90's.  They've not held up with the same quality, though. 
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
Uh, day trip?

http://your4state.com/fulltext?nxd_id=290152 (http://your4state.com/fulltext?nxd_id=290152)

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Civil War Beer is on Tap in Frederick

FREDERICK, MD - People in Frederick can now get a taste of the Civil War.

The National Museum of Civil War Medicine and Brewer's Alley teamed up to create a series of Civil War beers.

The duo released the second beer in the edition, Proclamation Porter, to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation.

"Tt's not a frivolous thing. It really is a way to engage people and be able to say as they hold a glass in their hand, I'm tasting something that my great-great grandfather, that the men in the Civil War, tasted. It's remembering what they did," says George Wunderlich, executive director of the National Museum of Civil War Medicine.

The museum is also selling Proclamation Porter t-shirts and glasses.

"One of the things we really hope to accomplish here is to bring people into that idea of you can still experience, not just simply study the Civil War, not simply think about the civil war, but you can share experiences with the people who were there," says Wunderlich.

The beer is made from a recipe used in the Civil War. Those at the museum hope it can help people to have a better understanding what the war was all about.

"During the course of the Civil War, the men didn't fight all the time," says Wunderlich. "As a matter of fact, they fought relatively infrequently. The rest of the times, they lived their lives. Part of that life was debating, reading books, talking with friends, and quite frankly, entertaining with liquid refreshments."

Brewer's Alley will donate one dollar for every case sold to the museum.

The duo hopes to released at least nine beers in the series.
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Post by: nacho on January 11, 2013, 01:38:05 PM
What are you doing this weekend?
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2013, 01:40:38 PM
Catching a morning matinee of Zero Dark Thirty on Saturday. An unscheduled meeting with our make-up girl as well.

I forwarded to Missus RC to gauge her interest.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2013, 04:35:21 PM
Missus RC suggested a February dinner crew for this.
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Post by: nacho on January 11, 2013, 05:32:43 PM
Let's fill up that long weekend. The 17th?
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2013, 08:01:04 PM
Penciled in.
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Post by: nacho on March 15, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
Flying Dog's Lucky SOB ("made with real four leaf clovers") is out today... And at the two worst bars in Bethesda. Union Jacks and The Barking Dog (known not-so-fondly by locals as The Barfing Dog).

I'm going to have to brave one of them this weekend to try it out... Probably Union Jacks Sunday AM, on our way to morning booze and music at the new Flanagans.
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Post by: nacho on April 18, 2013, 03:52:55 PM
The big news yesterday was that Sweetwater Brewery -- who I consider to be making some of the best beer in the country -- is expanding. Among the new states getting Sweetwater will be our very own Virginia... Good news for RC. And, I guess, for me, if I'm able to convince myself to cross the Potomac Ocean.

I know people who have been taking annual trips to Georgia to fill up the trunk of their car with cases of Sweetwater. The shit is just amazing...
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Post by: nacho on December 13, 2013, 02:56:21 PM
We know half this stuff...but I still enjoy seeing this doing the rounds today.

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Post by: nacho on January 17, 2014, 08:24:40 AM
YES!! I know people who actually make a run to Georgia just to load up their trunk and drive it back up here... I love this beer.


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From a press release (emphasis ours). Any Sweetwater fans in the house? I can't be sure, but you have to assume that there will be an excellent launch event at The Black Squirrel given their being a rare (if not the only) source for Sweetwater in DC for the past four years or so. Be on the lookout and be sure to keep an eye on our calendar for launch events as we get them.

SweetWater Brewing Company is finally ready to make the big move North, announcing it will open up distribution to markets throughout Virginia and D.C. Roughly a year after its $19 million brewery expansion, SweetWater – ranked as one of the nation’s top 25 craft breweries according to the Brewer’s Association – will be bringing its lip-smackin’ lineup to the area last week of January.

Virginia marks the ninth U.S. state to be included in the brewery’s Southeastern distribution footprint. Through careful planning and wholesaler assignments with the state, SweetWater proudly announces it will be working with Virginia Eagle in the Northern Virginia and Charlottesville markets; Loveland in the Richmond; Capital Eagle for Washington DC; and Hoffman in Southeastern Virginia.

“It’s always an arduous process assigning our brand to wholesalers, but we felt that the synergies with our new partners best lined up with SweetWater’s vision for our future in Virginia,” said Vice President of Sales at SweetWater Brewery Dave Guender. “We’ve received a boatload of inquiries from retailers and consumers throughout the past couple years asking when we were coming to the market. We took our time to make sure that we dissected the dynamics of both the on-premise and off-premise channels, so our brand could make the best impression possible when we were ready.”

SweetWater is bringing their notoriously hoppy ales to the area starting with its flagship, 420 Extra Pale Ale, on draft at bars and restaurants, alongside six-packs and 12-pack variety packs in off-premise grocery, package and specialty bottle stores including:

420 Extra Pale Ale - SweetWater’s 420 Extra Pale Ale is a West Coast style pale ale with big hops and a crisp finish. First brewed on April 20, 1997, this beer has developed quite the following in the Southeast. 420 is extremely well-balanced which makes it a perfect introduction to a new town…that’s why we say “drink ‘em if you got ‘em!”

SweetWater Blue - SweetWater Blue is a unique, lighter-bodied wheat ale enhanced with blueberries. This brew’ll give folks a good whiff of a blueberry influence, with a subtle taste and an extra clean finish. This ain’t no fruit beer, but it is our breakfast beer, and perfect for hanging on the coast on a warm Virginia day.

SweetWater IPA - This mammoth India Pale Ale (IPA) is dry-hopped to the gills delivering a kick-you-in-the-teeth hop chop. The brew is unfiltered as with all SweetWater brews to leave all the natural flavors intact. SweetWater IPA won first place in a blind tasting against 15 of the best IPA’s in the country held by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

SweetWater Tackle Box - The SweetWater Tackle Box variety pack is a hefty 12-pack collection featuring three of SweetWater’s favorite year round brews, along with a fourth catch and release seasonal specialty in each box.

A crew from SweetWater will taste their way around the area with sampling celebrations and sponsored events January 28-30. For the full schedule and participating locations, visit SweetWater’s dedicated Virginia Facebook page.

Online fans can wet their whistles too by following the Virginia Facebook page for details on how to enter SweetWater’s “Catch a Trout Tap” contest rewarding the first locals to spot their tap handles with free SweetWater Schwag.

To learn more about SweetWater Brewing Company and its full lineup, visit www.sweetwaterbrew.com.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 01, 2014, 08:03:23 PM
Did I try Flying Dog's Old Bay beer at the Dish, Nacho?

Because I just tried it again and it's utter shit.
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Post by: nacho on July 02, 2014, 07:01:02 AM
It's horrible. You keep refusing the Bloodline, though.
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Post by: Sirharles on July 02, 2014, 10:32:50 AM
My boss drank some of that Old Bay stuff and said it was so bad he had to pour it out.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 02, 2014, 10:42:57 AM
I choked it down which means it's better than the spicy shit I got at some brewery in Bethesda Lifestyle with Nacho.
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Post by: nacho on July 02, 2014, 10:49:05 AM
I choked it down which means it's better than the spicy shit I got at some brewery in Bethesda Lifestyle with Nacho.

Oh! That was horrible!

I pretty much just drink Bloodline exclusively now. Except at Rock Bottom, where it's their beer or the highway. 
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on July 02, 2014, 10:59:37 AM
I love the Old Bay beer. That is all.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 02, 2014, 11:09:38 AM
Reggie, are you sure that isn't just the MD apologist talking?
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Post by: nacho on July 02, 2014, 11:11:34 AM
I choked through two glasses because people wearing Lord Baltimore's crest were watching me, swords half drawn.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 02, 2014, 11:18:29 AM
"He would not drink of the elixir. The next day he was gone. The noose around the Throne Maiden's rebellion tightens."
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on July 02, 2014, 11:58:57 PM
Reggie, are you sure that isn't just the MD apologist talking?

It might be. I've had 5 or 6 and I think I really like it. I don't like most beer anyway, so maybe it's the weird factor that's making me come back for more. I really like Old Bay also.

Hold on, I have to drive down to DC now and crash my car.
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Post by: nacho on July 03, 2014, 08:17:03 AM
Are you being pursued by Lord Baltimore's men?
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Post by: nacho on September 11, 2014, 10:38:28 AM
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Post by: nacho on June 25, 2015, 11:37:58 AM
Flying Dog's Bloodline is...highly addictive.

I'm not a fruit beer guy, but something about blood oranges and beer drives me crazy. I can't get enough of the stuff...and nor can anyone else. It's plucked off the shelves as soon as it arrives, and I'm lucky to get one six pack every 14 days or so.

What I realize I should be doing is getting away from Flying Dog and exploring the new, cool world of craft beers. But there are so few options:

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Flying Dog’s Bloodline Blood Orange Ale is probably the most well-known and widely available. It has its origins from the 2013 Craft Brewers Conference, which was held in DC. The original release is here. The beer was a collaboration with the Reyes Beverage Group (Premium Distributors). Craft Sales Manager Ryan Curley told us yesterday via Twitter that Nick Smith of New Belgium’s DC team apparently was the progenitor of the combo.

Beyond that, Lagunitas has a new edition to their “One Hitter” series (because of course they have a “One Hitter” series) called the Citrusinensis Pale Ale that should be around DC for a limited time.

Elysian also has a seasonal known as Superfuzz, which is a blood orange pale ale.

If you don’t want an IPA or a pale ale, check out Anderson Valley’s Blood Orange Gose, which is a tart, salty, citrusy blast. Their site says October-April, so that’s sad, but maybe you can still find some on the shelves.

Bluejacket has made at least two beers with blood orange: The Orange Line, a blood orange wit, and Tiger Tale, a Belgian strong ale with 100 pounds of blood oranges. Neither, to my knowledge, is available right now or has been re-brewed.

What else are we missing? Let us know in the comments, but these some that come immediately to mind.

Incidentally, if you can't (or won't) drink beer, but still want to get in on the fun, check out Sanpellegrino's tasty blood orange soda.

- See more at: http://dcbeer.com/news/everything-you-want-know-about-blood-oranges-and-beer#sthash.U3YXW7Gn.dpuf
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 25, 2015, 01:10:47 PM
Bloodline is impossible to find on my side of the Potomac. Other Flying Dog beers are widely available, but not that one. Go figure.
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Post by: nacho on June 25, 2015, 01:48:33 PM
Bloodline is impossible to fins on my side of the Potomac. Other Flying Dog beers are widely available, but not that one. Go figure.

It's not just you. MoCo gets four crates in every other Monday and they don't even make it to the shelf. People line up for this beer.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 03, 2015, 01:17:57 PM
God Bless America.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/07/a-history-of-day-drinking/397397/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/07/a-history-of-day-drinking/397397/)

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The Best Way to Day-Drink Is With Low-Alcohol Brews

This Independence Day, we should take a page from the Founding Fathers, as well as our ancestors around the world, who imbibed gallons of low-alcohol beer pretty much all the time.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on November 30, 2015, 06:19:23 PM
So, I'm back on Sierra Nevada's Celebration after being disappointed by Flying Dog's K-9 whatever.

Any winter brew suggestions? This is typically my favorite beer season.
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Post by: nacho on November 30, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
So, I'm back on Sierra Nevada's Celebration after being disappointed by Flying Dog's K-9 whatever.

Any winter brew suggestions? This is typically my favorite beer season.

No. I think everyone has lost their thread in the Craft Beer Battle Zone. I've been let down by everyone so far.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on January 23, 2016, 11:46:52 AM
Nacho wanted a report on New Belguim's Side Trip, a white IPA. I got really IPA-ed out, and have avoided them for themes part over the past year, which is hard in the craft beer world because it's apparently the easiest thing to make.

So chalk it up to distance making the heart grow fonder, but I'm enjoying this one. It's hoppy, but no overbearingly hoppy. There's other flavors that come through. As a white IPA, it's also crisp and easy to drink.

RC says it's worth a six pack to give it a day in court.
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Post by: nacho on January 23, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
We were very bad last night at a local bar's storm party. Which is sad because I'm sitting here thinking I'd like to just crack a beer and watch the neighbor have a heart attack trying to shovel two feet of snow, but I feel ooky.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 11, 2016, 03:22:48 PM
Nacho asked me where I got Sweetwater 420 in another thread. They have it on tap at a dive bar called Alley Cat in Alexandria, VA.

http://www.alleycatalexandria.com

I should clarify that I haven't found a six pack for sale in any store.

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Post by: nacho on February 11, 2016, 03:35:46 PM
Nacho moves to Alexandria in this thread.

Sweetwater is currently the best brewery and beer in America. Though by the time they get big enough to actually start shipping to my locale, they'll be sub-par like all the rest.

I used to intentionally schedule layovers at ATL just to go to the Sweetwater pub.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 11, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
It's good stuff.

Alexandria, by the way, is fantastic. If money were no object, Missus RC would move to Old Town in a heartbeat so I can die sitting at the bar of the Union Street Pub.

http://www.unionstreetpublichouse.com
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Post by: nacho on February 11, 2016, 03:59:02 PM
We have no good bars anymore. Life is so sad.
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Post by: monkey! on February 24, 2016, 09:07:00 AM
My bar is great!
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Post by: nacho on February 24, 2016, 10:32:49 AM
We so need to visit...
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Post by: monkey! on February 24, 2016, 11:30:10 AM
Um... we're closed.
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Post by: nacho on February 24, 2016, 12:32:09 PM
I'm outside!!! LET ME IN!!!!
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Post by: monkey! on February 25, 2016, 09:19:58 AM
No one here but us chickens!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 25, 2016, 10:39:26 PM
Yes, but do you serve beer, monkey?

Also, Sirharles bought *me* a six pack of Sweetwater 420 even though I'm the one who totally dragged mud all over his chateau in the hills. It's, of course, amazing.
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Post by: nacho on February 26, 2016, 09:15:16 AM
Yes, but do you serve beer, monkey?

Also, Sirharles bought *me* a six pack of Sweetwater 420 even though I'm the one who totally dragged mud all over his chateau in the hills. It's, of course, amazing.

Goddamnit.
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Post by: nacho on June 29, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
An interesting article from WaPo on the Disappearing Pint -- part of our growing craft beer conundrum, I think.


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How many times have you told someone, “Let me buy you a pint,” or asked your friends, “Want to grab a pint after work?” It’s not necessary to explain what you’re offering a pint of: Beer is one of the only substances on Earth whose common unit of measurement has become a shorthand for the very thing it measures.

The classic idea of barroom informality involves standing and talking to friends while leaning casually with one elbow on the bar and a pint glass in your hand. And that’s what you see at old-school places such as the Tune Inn, Whitlow’s on Wilson, Solly’s or any number of Irish pubs.

[America has more craft breweries than ever. And that might be a problem.]

But where craft beer is the focus, the pint is under threat. In the area’s beer bars and beer-focused restaurants, it has become next to impossible to find anything served in a 16-ounce glass. Go into ChurchKey, the Sovereign, Pizzeria Paradiso, City Tap House and RFD, and the scene resembles that notorious Budweiser ad: Guys swirling craft beers in snifters, pinkies aloft, because there’s no way to hold the stem of a nine-ounce snifter without your pinkie automatically popping out.

Why are craft brews being served in snifters, tumblers, wineglasses and other smaller-than-a-pint glasses? Price-conscious drinkers may think they smell a rip-off, but the answer is much more complicated than that.

The conical, straight-sided pint glass, also known as a Boston shaker glass, was originally used to shake cocktails, not serve beer. But it has been a fixture in bars since the early 20th century, thanks to its utility: It’s easy to stack, hard to break and perfect for displaying beer or bar advertisements. Even into the 21st century, as knowledge about craft beer exploded, it remained the go-to glass.

But some beer professionals haven’t been so keen on it.

Three years ago, Pizzeria Paradiso got rid of its common pint glasses, choosing 12-ounce tumblers and tulips as the default glassware and nine-ounce snifters for the smallest servings. “Pint glasses aren’t an ideal vessel to enjoy craft beer,” says Josh Fernands, beer director for the restaurant’s three locations. “They’re not the best glasses for aroma or head retention.”

He’s right on all counts, but many other 16-ounce glasses out there avoid those problems: German glassmaker Spiegelau has worked with Dogfish Head and Sierra Nevada to create 16-ounce glasses that noticeably enhance aromas and flavors. ChurchKey, which has also rejected the traditional pints, has more than a dozen different glasses, including English-style nonic pint glasses, which have a characteristic bulge in the neck.

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The truth is, bars like smaller glasses because they create the illusion of lower-priced beer.

Whether you buy your beer at a bottle shop or in a bar, prices have been on an upward curve for years. Hops and barley are becoming more expensive as more than 4,200 breweries fight for a pool of raw materials. Throw in the costs of real estate and labor in the Washington market, and it’s not hard to see why $8 pints of craft beer have become common in bars here.

At Pizzeria Paradiso, at least a quarter of the beers sell for $5 and $6; the difference is they come in 12-ounce glasses. “Our goal at Pizzeria Paradiso has been to make craft beer more accessible, and that starts with the pricing,” says Fernands. Deciding to set beer prices by the ounce “allowed us to pick up more esoteric and expensive stuff, because we can put it in a smaller glass.”

Customers grumble about glass sizes, Fernands admits. But consider this: Paradiso recently sold New Belgium’s Citradelic IPA for $5 for a 12-ounce pour, or 41.7 cents an ounce. Compare that with the craft-focused Maddy’s Taproom, which sold the same beer for $6 per 14-ounce pour (42.9 cents an ounce), or the more plebeian darts bar the Black Rooster Pub, where Citradelic cost $7 per pint (43.8 cents an ounce).

There’s even the flexibility to go smaller: If a beer would potentially cost $10 for 12 ounces, Paradiso serves it for $7 or $8 for nine ounces. One digit on the chalkboard instead of two works wonders, Fernands says: “In the back of the house, you can see it move.”

‘A little easier to swallow’
It’s also no secret that craft beer has been bulking up, with imperial stouts and double IPAs clogging “Best Beers in the World” lists and subsequently becoming much-wanted drafts in bars. But when beers climb to 9 or 10 percent alcohol by volume, far more than the standard Bud or Miller Lite, it gives bar employees pause.

City Tap House downtown uses 14-ounce glasses for most beers, 10 ounces for special or limited beers and a traditional 20-ounce imperial pint for cask-conditioned ales. But when a cask of Heavy Seas Siren Noire imperial stout came in, bartenders served it in 10-ounce pours. “I don’t feel comfortable putting a 9½ percent beer in a 20-ounce glass,” says beer manager Dave Donaldson. “I don’t think that’s responsible.”

He has cause for concern: In most states as well as the District, “dram shop” laws allow an establishment to be held liable for damages if a bartender over-serves a customer who later injures or kills someone.

And then there’s the simple matter of looks. Jerry Moore, the food service glassware product manager at Libbey, which supplies glassware to restaurants across the country, has seen most growth in 12-to-14-ounce glasses, particularly Belgian-style footed ones. Serving draft beer in smaller, fancier glasses “enhances the presentation, closer to a winelike level of service,” he says. “If you put a [$10] IPA in a stemmed glass, it’s a little easier to swallow.” If people are paying more for a special beer, Moore says, they don’t want to see it in the same pint glass that a sports bar dumps Miller Lite into.

The pint glass — with pinkie firmly planted, along with all the other fingers — does still have its supporters. “About half” of the beers at the District’s Meridian Pint, Brookland Pint and Smoke & Barrel are poured into one, says beer director Jace Gonnerman. After all, “pint” is in the name of two of the company’s establishments. “People feel like they’re getting a good, robust pour,” he says, whether it’s an IPA, a double IPA or a Vienna lager. “We’ve always liked the feel of a 16-ounce pint in your hand.”

But he agrees that some beers are just too expensive to justify the larger pour: “When you get into $9 or $10 pints, there are people who’d like to pay a little less and get a little less beer.”

Travel up and down the East Coast, and you’ll see the issue of size playing out in beer bars from Richmond to New York, but that’s not happening everywhere in America.

In his travels around the country, Boulevard Brewing ambassador brewer Jeremy Danner has seen bars turning away from the pint, but back home in Kansas City, most bars still use them for Pilseners, IPAs and wheat beers. Why the discrepancy? Trends take longer to reach the Midwest, he admits in an email, adding, “I think folks in the Midwest expect/appreciate fairness in pricing/portions, so bars are hesitant to reduce pour sizes.”

On the West Coast, things may be moving in the opposite direction. As on the East Coast, “the shaker pint is now rapidly losing favor with breweries and good-beer pubs,” says Portland, Ore.-based beer writer Jeff Alworth, author of “The Beer Bible,” in an email. But the difference is in what’s replacing it: The glassware is getting larger, not smaller.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 29, 2016, 01:02:59 PM
Beer snobs are ruining beer?

 :drama!:

[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on October 13, 2016, 11:36:04 AM
I used to love Brooklyn. Now they're the latest to be taken over by a major conglomerate:

http://www.avclub.com/article/japans-kirin-purchases-stake-craft-beer-darling-br-244120

At least it's not InBev, though...
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 31, 2017, 07:37:33 PM
Guinness to start brewing in America. Brewery wil be near BWI.

I've been told I haven't had Guinness until I've had it fresh brewed in Ireland. Will this qualify?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/01/31/guinness-plans-to-brew-in-america-again-for-the-first-time-in-six-decades/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/01/31/guinness-plans-to-brew-in-america-again-for-the-first-time-in-six-decades/)

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Guinness plans to brew in America again, for the first time in six decades

 An architect’s rendering of the proposed Guinness Open Gate Brewery in Relay, Md. It would be the first Guinness brewery in America since 1954. (Courtesy of Diageo)
This story has been updated.

By the end of the year, Guinness lovers who want to sample beers fresh from the brewery’s taps won’t need to hop on a plane to Dublin — they’ll just have to get in their car and drive on Interstate 95. Diageo Beer Company USA, the parent company of Guinness, announced today that it plans to build an American version of Dublin’s Open Gate Brewery in Relay, Md., which lies between Ellicott City and BWI Thurgood Marshall Airport. The site, once home to the landmark Calvert Distillery, is now used for aging and storing Captain Morgan rum. (Captain Morgan is another brand in Diageo’s wide-ranging international portfolio.)

Guinness Stout, the company’s flagship beer, will still be brewed at the famous St. James’s Gate Brewery in Dublin, while the new facility “will be a home for new Guinness beers created for the U.S. market, including Guinness Blonde American Lager, as well as creations by the brewers here,” says Alix Dunn, a Diageo spokeswoman.

As stout sales have slumped in recent years, Guinness has been rapidly diversifying its product line in an attempt to appeal to drinkers’ changing tastes, adding historically inspired Dublin and West Indies porters and Antwerpen Stout, as well as more modern Nitro Pale Ale and Blonde American Lager. But the company, known for its traditional beers, has also given free rein to brewers at Open Gate, a smaller-scale pilot brewery in Dublin, to create recipes like the Rye Pale Ale, which made a leap from the Open Gate taproom to bottles last year.

But the big news is that Guinness will be brewed in America for the first time since 1954, when the company closed its short-lived brewery in Long Island City, N.Y., and moved production back to Dublin. “Opening a Guinness brewery and visitor center in the U.S. will enable us to collaborate with fellow brewers and interact with the vibrant community of beer drinkers,” Tom Day, president of Diageo Beer, said in a statement.

If you’ve been to St. James’s Gate, you know that it’s as much a Guinness museum as a brewery. Relay won’t have the same amenities — including the Gravity Bar’s views of the Dublin skyline — but Diageo has planned a “Guinness visitor experience” in America with tours, a full tasting room with experimental brews and, of course, a retail store. Between the brewery and the visitor center, Diageo estimates, the brewery will create about 70 jobs.

A press release from Diageo reiterates that “finalization of these plans is still contingent on reaching agreement on several considerations,” including the issuing of construction permits, but the target opening date is mid-October, which will also mark 200 years since the first Guinness was shipped to the United States.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on February 01, 2017, 10:01:38 AM
Guinness to start brewing in America. Brewery wil be near BWI.

I've been told I haven't had Guinness until I've had it fresh brewed in Ireland. Will this qualify?


Yes. Because the reason for that is that Guinness doesn't travel well. The taste profile is different even by the time you get from Dublin to the surrounding countryside. So if you go to where it was freshly made you will notice a difference.

But it's not like this high, holy thing that blows you away. It's just like "Oh, this isn't like the Guinness I've been drinking."
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on March 06, 2017, 10:03:31 AM
Better suck down those Kona brews, RC. They're about to lose their lawsuit against the state of Hawaii (since Kona is, of course, mass-brewed by conglomerates on the east coast).
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 06, 2017, 10:19:18 AM
I'm not the biggest fan anyway.  They're low on the beer totem pole these days.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on November 08, 2017, 12:23:14 PM
Come be my friend on Untappd so I can get more badges for drinking obsessively!

https://untappd.com/home
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 09, 2017, 06:46:07 PM
I can't do any more apps. There's not enough time in the day.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: nacho on November 10, 2017, 10:01:57 AM
I can't do any more apps. There's not enough time in the day.

I've actually been cutting back. Half my apps are no longer supported and I haven't touched the others in years. I'm down to seven.
Title: Re: Beer!
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 03, 2020, 03:48:48 PM
Guinness to start brewing in America. Brewery wil be near BWI.

I've been told I haven't had Guinness until I've had it fresh brewed in Ireland. Will this qualify?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/01/31/guinness-plans-to-brew-in-america-again-for-the-first-time-in-six-decades/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/01/31/guinness-plans-to-brew-in-america-again-for-the-first-time-in-six-decades/)

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Guinness plans to brew in America again, for the first time in six decades

 An architect’s rendering of the proposed Guinness Open Gate Brewery in Relay, Md. It would be the first Guinness brewery in America since 1954. (Courtesy of Diageo)
This story has been updated.

By the end of the year, Guinness lovers who want to sample beers fresh from the brewery’s taps won’t need to hop on a plane to Dublin — they’ll just have to get in their car and drive on Interstate 95. Diageo Beer Company USA, the parent company of Guinness, announced today that it plans to build an American version of Dublin’s Open Gate Brewery in Relay, Md., which lies between Ellicott City and BWI Thurgood Marshall Airport. The site, once home to the landmark Calvert Distillery, is now used for aging and storing Captain Morgan rum. (Captain Morgan is another brand in Diageo’s wide-ranging international portfolio.)

Guinness Stout, the company’s flagship beer, will still be brewed at the famous St. James’s Gate Brewery in Dublin, while the new facility “will be a home for new Guinness beers created for the U.S. market, including Guinness Blonde American Lager, as well as creations by the brewers here,” says Alix Dunn, a Diageo spokeswoman.

As stout sales have slumped in recent years, Guinness has been rapidly diversifying its product line in an attempt to appeal to drinkers’ changing tastes, adding historically inspired Dublin and West Indies porters and Antwerpen Stout, as well as more modern Nitro Pale Ale and Blonde American Lager. But the company, known for its traditional beers, has also given free rein to brewers at Open Gate, a smaller-scale pilot brewery in Dublin, to create recipes like the Rye Pale Ale, which made a leap from the Open Gate taproom to bottles last year.

But the big news is that Guinness will be brewed in America for the first time since 1954, when the company closed its short-lived brewery in Long Island City, N.Y., and moved production back to Dublin. “Opening a Guinness brewery and visitor center in the U.S. will enable us to collaborate with fellow brewers and interact with the vibrant community of beer drinkers,” Tom Day, president of Diageo Beer, said in a statement.

If you’ve been to St. James’s Gate, you know that it’s as much a Guinness museum as a brewery. Relay won’t have the same amenities — including the Gravity Bar’s views of the Dublin skyline — but Diageo has planned a “Guinness visitor experience” in America with tours, a full tasting room with experimental brews and, of course, a retail store. Between the brewery and the visitor center, Diageo estimates, the brewery will create about 70 jobs.

A press release from Diageo reiterates that “finalization of these plans is still contingent on reaching agreement on several considerations,” including the issuing of construction permits, but the target opening date is mid-October, which will also mark 200 years since the first Guinness was shipped to the United States.

Right up the road from me. Come by for a tour and tasting!