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Posted by: RottingCorpse
« on: March 16, 2011, 06:13:58 PM »

Better late than never?
Posted by: nacho
« on: March 16, 2011, 01:54:09 PM »

Well, that's about 10 years too late. But...okay.

Pepsi unveiled a new bottle yesterday: the first of its kind, the company says, to be made entirely from plant materials, which include switch grass, pine bark, and corn husks.

While Coca Cola has been pushing its PlantBottle, made from 30 percent plant materials, it said it would be several years before that level would reach 100 percent. Pepsi, however, will test the 100-percent plant-based (and recyclable) bottles in 2012. "We've cracked the code," said Rocco Papalia, senior vice president of advanced research at PepsiCo.

Eventually, potato scraps, orange peels, oat hulls and other leftovers from Pepsi's food business will also be used in the bottles, which are said to look and feel just like the regular plastic bottles we're used to.

Environmental groups are taking note. AP quotes Allen Hershkowitz, a senior scientist at NRDC: "This is the beginning of the end of petroleum-based plastics... When you have a company of this size making a commitment to a plant-based plastic, the market is going to respond."
Posted by: RottingCorpse
« on: June 02, 2010, 07:22:12 PM »

Step 1. Stop the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico.
Posted by: nacho
« on: June 02, 2010, 06:22:56 PM »

More dying ocean stuff...

Twenty years ago when I had the opportunity to dive to 18,000 feet in the Japanese research submersible, Shinkai 6500 in the Sea of Japan I fantasized about the amazing animals our team might see deep on the ocean floor: rat-tails, deep sea sharks, and octopi. But when we reached the sea bottom, it was littered with trash that included food bags, soda cans, empty boxes, and even a broken toy doll. I shudder to imagine what that same sea bottom looks like today. But, despite the problems the ocean faces thanks to humans, there is a prescription to cure it.

Goes on to talk about the gyre...
Posted by: nacho
« on: February 24, 2010, 01:31:49 PM »

The Atlantic Gyres.

Though it hasn't garnered nearly as much attention as its plastic-ridden analog in the Pacific, the North Atlantic Ocean too has its very own gigantic patch of floating plastic waste. Recently the 5 Gyres project has brought some attention to it, and now BBC News reports that scientists from the Sea Education Association have completed a 20 year study on it:

In studying the problem, researchers completed over 6,000 passes with towed nets in the Caribbean and North Atlantic. Over 80% of the plastic pieces were found between 22 and 38° north latitude.

More than half of them picked up floating plastic on the water surface, mostly pieces of plastic from consumer products and plastic bags. Most of the pieces were no more than one centimeter across. The maximum density of plastic was found to be 200,000 pieces of plastic per square kilometer--which is similar to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch.

Photos, video, and more text at:
Posted by: Reginald McGraw
« on: January 23, 2010, 03:56:42 PM »

In some ways it's adding to the problem.  However, DC could be converted in the future to <magic non-polluting energy> in which case the Metro would be similarly good.
Posted by: nacho
« on: January 22, 2010, 12:03:36 AM »

Oh, yes, those battery plants in Canada are infamous pollution factories.  They're basically sitting on vast wastelands.

Of course, the big problem is also with disposal, as well as manufacture.

There's also the DC Metro question:  Is the Metro really efficient?  After all, DC is run by coal power.  So expanding the subway is just adding to the problem. 
Posted by: Sirharles
« on: January 21, 2010, 06:01:09 PM »

Consumer Reports did an interesting article on the environmental impact of a Prius Hybrid vs. a H2 Hummer.  And found that even with driving the both cars for 5yrs after purchase the Hummer was much more eco-friendly.  Mainly because of the extremely caustic process of getting the specific metals out of the earth for the Hybrid.  That and shipping all the parts to Japan, then back to the U.S.
Posted by: nacho
« on: January 21, 2010, 05:05:49 PM »

That comes from the Bullshit episode, I think.  And has come up elsewhere with Green sites and so on.  No Impact Man talked about it a couple years ago, I believe.  I know the Bullshit episode compared carbon emissions involved in recycling (the trucks, the staff required to sort and process, the machines that do all the industrial shit, and so on).
Posted by: RottingCorpse
« on: January 21, 2010, 04:22:26 PM »

Who told me once that the process of recycling is creating as much waste as putting it in a landfill? Was that you Nacho?
Posted by: Sirharles
« on: January 21, 2010, 04:16:55 PM »

In my neighborhood the trash gets picked up on seperate days than the recycling and by different companies.  Where it goes from there.....?
Posted by: nacho
« on: January 21, 2010, 03:56:51 PM »

The City Paper, in November, busted several trash companies who were not sorting recyclables:

It's now a big thing and one of our local NPR shows is having the head of Public Works and the City Paper go at it today, I think...I don't know. 

The thing is, this isn't surprising.  Penn and Teller did a Bullshit episode about how recyclables are not being recycled, except for where there's money in it.  And I bet, if most of us watch the trash pickup, they'll see it being mixed.  Certainly at our apartments recyclables go in the same truck, and the same area, as the trash.

The City Paper article linked above has the percentage of recycling that is actually required/enforced/set as a goal or whatever. 

Though the District in 1988 set a goal of recycling 45 percent of its trash stream by October 2004, the figure now stands at 24 percent (and that’s an imperfect figure). Cities such as San Francisco, Seattle, and Dallas hover around the 50 percent mark. Neighboring jurisdictions also do better than the District in residential recyling: Montgomery County has a 44 percent rate, while Arlington County’s residential program recycles 42 percent of its trash. Prince George’s County recycles 35 percent.

Posted by: nacho
« on: January 15, 2010, 02:21:41 PM »

Posted by: nacho
« on: November 10, 2009, 01:10:46 PM »

You mean DC the city of trees with fewer people than an Amish settlement and no industrial development?  The only reason we're not on top is because of our coal power.  Sorry... Or CLEAN coal power.

Did you know that, before that plant went in on the Potomac, you were able to see DC from Sugarloaf Mountain?  Which is why all the Civil War shit is there on the summit.
Posted by: RottingCorpse
« on: November 10, 2009, 12:41:08 PM »

DC must be somewhere in the middle.