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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2020, 11:16:07 AM »
All that being said I'm scared.  I'm sure we all are to an extent, but in truth that brings me little comfort.  I'm not sure why I'm writing all this out.  Maybe it's just so I can express the craziness floating around my brain.

I know exactly what you mean and am really sorry for the anxiety you're going through. Writing things down has helped me process as well, but I feel like we're only beginning to peel the layers of this onion, so to speak. I'm sure in two weeks' time, I'll look back on the early days of this with the realization that it was only the beginning.

Anyone else find themselves rooting for the conspiracy theorists here? I sure do... I mean, I still think that if you believe this is a media conspiracy to bring down Trump or that a malaria drug will cure this and wipe it all away, you're delusional... but I'm praying that you're right.

My real hope is that enough Americans have taken the social distancing / quarantine / lockdown thing seriously that it really will prevent mass spread of this, but I think that's a longshot. My guess is that within a week, the US will have the most cases in the world and will be the new epicenter of the outbreak. I've been watching us tick up on the list from that site all week... the US now has the 3rd highest number of cases in the entire world behind China and Italy.
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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2020, 11:55:17 AM »
The model on this site predicts the last day your state has to react before healthcare systems become overwhelmed: https://covidactnow.org/

As if any of us needed more sobering shit to contemplate.
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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2020, 12:16:52 PM »
I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

My wife and I went out for a jog yesterday and we saw a ton of people out. (It was a gorgeous day up here in the mountains.) While most people seems to be social distancing, it seemed like business as usual. As the stupid Florida spring kids, and all the jackasses in Brooklyn show, people think they're invincible, I suppose I fall for a little bit of that myself although both my wife and I expect to get it, if we don't have it already. It's really a question of how sick are we going get.

I've entered the news blackout portion of this. Sure, I can watch the number so cases and deaths rise, but nothing going change. There's not suddenly going to be enough tests and there's not suddenly going to be a vaccine. It's the just the steady rise of the exponential curve. We have a "What if we get sick?" and a "What if the world goes full-on Fury Road?" plan. I can't live with constant anxiety.

I'm happy I have classes to teach online that gave me a vague sense of purpose, and I'm happy that I love in a small town where, so far, I don't have to to deal with the effects of it on. I'm quarantined. (Though we're scheduled to close on a house refinance this week, in which we're require to go to a law office to sign papers. I'm hoping we can do it digitally. EDIT: We just a call that we can do it digitally.)

I also just got an email from my institution's president saying the school has been upgraded to Pandemic Level II, forced work from home. We'e been asked to donate at least 1% of our pay to an emergency "keep the school alive" fund. (I did so this AM.) Certain staff members are being asked dot to voluntary furloughs in which they won't be paid, but will still receive health benefits. Involuntary furloughs are on the horizon, though faculty will likely be the last to be cut. I'll get paid through mid-May for sure. After that ???

EDIT: 1:00 PM press conference with the WV governor schedule for today, whom we think is going to put the state on lockdown.
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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #78 on: March 23, 2020, 12:30:43 PM »
I put all the important data links that I check with regularity on the front page of this thread so we can access them easily. Let me know if there's something you want me to add.

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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #79 on: March 23, 2020, 02:43:23 PM »
Well MD went into closing all "non essential businesses".  Although after reading the list of what type of business is essential I can't figure out what actually will be closing.  Other than maybe some small retailers.

And for an extra level of comfort my boss asked me what would be better for us.  For us to be let go and collect unemployment or to drop down to part time.  So there's that.  The answer of course is as long as the part time pay exceeds unemployment, it's better than losing a job entirely.

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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2020, 03:37:34 PM »
Rumour from a reliable source tells me France is set to declare military enforced curfew this week.
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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2020, 03:43:14 PM »
Just logged onto a conference call to review website changes and... I've been "furloughed"! Comms from the corporate office to come later today. My boss and our graphic designer were also furloughed as well. All in all, I think 175 people at my office are about to lose their jobs "temporarily" today.

Guess it's time to play Doom.

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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2020, 03:59:59 PM »
Sorry fellas. Bad times indeed.

Nubbins, are you receiving health benefits on your furlough? I know my institution is doing that. (No retirement or 401K though.)

What about you, Sirharles? i assume part time means no health benefits. Though you get those through that lady you live with, yes?

Rumour from a reliable source tells me France is set to declare military enforced curfew this week.

So does that mean if I'm out letting my dog take a shit in Nice, I can be shot where I stand?

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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2020, 04:02:46 PM »

What about you, Sirharles? i assume part time means no health benefits. Though you get those through that lady you live with, yes?


No benefits to lose!  Yes, health is covered by Mrs. Sirharles.

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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2020, 05:27:10 PM »
France is doing a great job to protect businesses:

I can put my staff on temporary unemployment - 80% net paid by the state - and all loan repayments, interest etc. pushed back for 6 months.
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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #85 on: March 23, 2020, 07:07:20 PM »
It’s like you live in a civilized nation, instead of a medieval swampland covered in smoke and mirrors.

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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2020, 11:16:37 AM »
Luckily, I’m covered by my wife’s health insurance. But Brightstar is covering health insurance for other people during the crisis. About 175 people at my office were furloughed yesterday, so lots of us in the same boat.

I get it... they’re trying to save the company. We’ll get through it. Hopefully we have jobs to go back to when this ends, but considering the shape of the economy currently, I’m guessing it will take a long time for the jobs to recover from this even after we’re through the worst of it.
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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2020, 11:43:25 AM »
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Anyone else find themselves rooting for the conspiracy theorists here? I sure do... I mean, I still think that if you believe this is a media conspiracy to bring down Trump or that a malaria drug will cure this and wipe it all away, you're delusional... but I'm praying that you're right.

I think it's a conspiracy of urban landlords to shut down ma and pop restaurants and bars so they can rent out property to the more reliable chains.

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My real hope is that enough Americans have taken the social distancing / quarantine / lockdown thing seriously that it really will prevent mass spread of this, but I think that's a longshot. My guess is that within a week, the US will have the most cases in the world and will be the new epicenter of the outbreak. I've been watching us tick up on the list from that site all week... the US now has the 3rd highest number of cases in the entire world behind China and Italy.

The states that are more proactive about it (like Maryland) are seeing a decrease. But I think the whole thing was too little too late. New York had over 2000 new cases and 26 deaths in the last 24 hours. And all the other states dragging their heels on the lockdown are going to be next.

I think we are beginning to "flatten the curve," though. The problem is that, yes, the magic malaria pill is lunacy. They may as well say athletes foot powder is the cure. And we can't all hide indoors for weeks or months... We'll have to go out sometime and it's not like the virus will fuck off and go on a vacation if it looks at the empty streets and thinks everyone's gone. We're still getting home deliveries, we're still getting mail, the transport infrastructure is unhindered, people are still lining up at closed restaurants for take out, we're still going to the farmer's markets, the grocery stores... We're NOT on lockdown even when we say we are. We're on a very American lockdown.

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Well MD went into closing all "non essential businesses".  Although after reading the list of what type of business is essential I can't figure out what actually will be closing.  Other than maybe some small retailers.

Yeah, it's basically the same as the last order. I think the announcement yesterday was just like a final warning sort of thing -- stop being dumb fuckers and stay at home or else we're putting boots on the ground.

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France is doing a great job to protect businesses:

I can put my staff on temporary unemployment - 80% net paid by the state - and all loan repayments, interest etc. pushed back for 6 months.

This is where socialism pays off! We're fucked here.


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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #88 on: March 24, 2020, 11:44:36 AM »
I put all the important data links that I check with regularity on the front page of this thread so we can access them easily. Let me know if there's something you want me to add.

I am a fan of this site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I think you have power to edit the first post? I'm fine if you want to do that.

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Re: Coronavirus & Lime
« Reply #89 on: March 24, 2020, 11:50:28 AM »
This from a friend of a friend:

https://lithub.com/the-new-silences-of-rome-under-quarantine/

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At first we didn’t notice how the city slowly went quiet. It was as if some strange God had gotten hold of the volume and had been lowering it, imperceptibly, day after day. At first it was just fewer people, fewer cars, empty buses.

Only two weeks ago at the very beginning of the crisis—it feels like a year now—it had started to rain and I was happy to be able to grab a taxi right away. The driver was in a bad mood. “No work! Nobody is going anywhere, no tourists, no cinemas, no restaurants!” I was tired of hearing his complaints, they went on and on, and as soon as there was a silence I heard him cough—very discreetly—and I realized I must be inhaling his germs, trapped as I was in that closed space. So I—very discreetly as well—rolled down the window just enough so that I could breathe fresh air. I remember being embarrassed, but I did it anyway, making sure he didn’t notice. I made a point of not taking a taxi again. We were new to this, and not sure yet how to navigate it.

The following day we did something we hadn’t done since we were children: we went inside the Colosseum, because, for the first time since we could remember, there was no line and we crossed the forums on foot on our way home. There were just a handful of people, and we felt surrounded by an atmosphere of peaceful suspension, as when it snows and everything is wrapped in cotton wool. The ruins were magnificent, standing alone in the empty landscape, as though they were revealed to us for the first time. Rome never looked so beautiful with all its cracks, ruins, and old age. I felt grateful for its resilience to time and wars and catastrophes. I didn’t know yet why I was so moved by that thought then, but I do now.

That same night friends showed up at a restaurant. We had made the date only three days earlier, at a time when we thought the epidemic was just a bad flu, and then (only two days later when it did start getting serious) nobody had dared cancel. We greeted one another hesitantly, again slightly embarrassed to be asking “…no kissing, right?” and we laughed, pretending we didn’t really care, that we were just obeying a new rule we had been told to observe.

Rome never looked so beautiful with all its cracks, ruins, and old age.
It was only later in the evening when I was walking home, after getting a message forwarded from a friend of a friend who works in a hospital that intensive care units in Lombardy were getting swamped, that I realized we might be entering into something unprecedented, out of our control. Suddenly I noticed the only sounds around me were the ambulance sirens.

The next day we woke up to learn that half of the north of the country was on lockdown.

In the evening the lockdown was extended to the whole country.

By then we had been told we needed to keep a meter of distance from everyone else. We haven’t learned how to do this intuitively yet, so we keep measuring the space, pretending to be casual, but we have to estimate centimeters, gauge whether we’re getting too close, dodge each other on the street by doing weird pirouettes in order to avoid brushing one another.

We’ve become like scattered dots in space.

Within 24 hours we learned we could leave the house only for strict necessities, such as buying groceries, or medical reasons, and that we had to download a form, fill in our details, and the exact reason for being out, and carry it with us at all times. Police cars patrol the streets and stop people randomly to make sure they carry the form and are telling the truth. They even ask to see shopping receipts.

Today the government has announced even stricter measures: there’s a ban on running and biking, (parks were closed a week ago) and nobody is allowed to walk any further than a mile and half from their place of residence. Suddenly the only way to see a friend or a relative who lives within that one-mile radius is to make an appointment outside a pharmacy or a supermarket and stand in the long queue of one meter-distanced people masked and gloved. This is how we get to spend a few minutes together: like clandestine lovers walking through the aisles of a supermarket.

Everyone will have longer hair or beards when this is over (gray roots are already showing!), couples will divorce, fewer people than ever will fall in love, some will learn to meditate, start yoga, and many will have a nervous breakdown—everyone will gain weight.

Yesterday I managed to bring my sister half of an orange and almond cake that I had baked for myself. We met on the street both covered in mask and gloves. In order to keep the lawful distance we stretched our arms out toward each other as I passed her the cake. We didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. We laughed, because that’s what we’ve always done and we want to keep it that way.