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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2017, 11:29:03 AM »
By that argument, do you think his voter base is going to grab their pitchforks and "rise up" to defend this particular shyster once the shine wears off? Do you think they'll really expend the energy?

Are you blocking out your memory of the last 15 months? Nazi salutes, bloody battles in the streets, soundbyte-sized personal attacks... I saw more Trump flags than US flags in Louisiana.

Trump is a populist candidate who speaks directly to a 40 million strong captive audience on a backlash platform that this country has never seen before. It isn't his shine they're following.

In response to what we're talking about, Trump said it's all lies and compared his opponents to Nazis -- i.e., he compared you and me to Nazis. Within 30 minutes, this was all Twitter was talking about -- in favor of Trump.

No, the "one year and done" narrative is wishful thinking. We are witnessing the last hurrah of racist middle America. We are witnessing something bigger than Trump. And something far more dangerous. Trump is merely a symptom of it.

Re Pence: Constitutionally, the only recourse is to impeach Trump. Pence would then step in. It is possible to impeach both of them, though. In which case, yes, Ryan would step in.


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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #91 on: January 11, 2017, 11:44:08 AM »
By that argument, do you think his voter base is going to grab their pitchforks and "rise up" to defend this particular shyster once the shine wears off? Do you think they'll really expend the energy?

Are you blocking out your memory of the last 15 months? Nazi salutes, bloody battles in the streets, soundbyte-sized personal attacks... I saw more Trump flags than US flags in Louisiana.

Trump is a populist candidate who speaks directly to a 40 million strong captive audience on a backlash platform that this country has never seen before. It isn't his shine they're following.

The loudest people in the room get all the attention. In WV, everybody's waiting by the phone for the steel mill to call them. Or they're arguing with the insurance company about how the ACA is supposed to *replace* Obamacare while not realizing they're one and the same. When Trump turns out to be a liar on these things, they'll go back to thinking the world is against them. Beer, meth, and depression. Nobody in these hamlets its planning to rise up against the big bad liberal media. They, like us, ultimately trust the system when you get beyond all the "drain the swamp" shit. They just thought it was juked against them. That's why they wanted their guy in charge of it.

I think the stupid white power folks will try to rise up, but they're a minority. Most people are just racist and ignorant. It's a different kind of desperate.

No, the "one year and done" narrative is wishful thinking. We are witnessing the last hurrah of racist middle America. We are witnessing something bigger than Trump. And something far more dangerous. Trump is merely a symptom of it.

I agree we're witnessing something bigger. Again, *IF* this latest intelligence report bears fruit and *IF* Trump wriggles out of it and retains power, then we'll see how it goes. I still go on the premise that this isn't 1938 Germany. Trump has to provide jobs. And if you think after fifteen years of non-stop war in Iraq in Afghanistan (the brunt of the casualties having been borne by poor middle America), some ginned up war machine is going to employ everybody and keep them in line, I think you're wrong.

*THIS* is my argument against the "Resists! Don't Normalize!" narrative. Who says whatever system he tries to put in place succeeds? He's an idiot who's just trying to hoard money. Even people who voted for him grant him that. They expect him to "hire the right people" and for some of that money to trickle down to them. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I'm just hoping that somehow the system still works, because flawed as it is, there's nothing good that come of supplanting it.
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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2017, 11:50:25 AM »
Look, all I really want to do is enjoy shit like this meme, because I'm dead in 40 years and none of it matters.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2017, 12:10:17 PM »
Other worrying facts, especially in regards to jobs: The stock market is reacting very well to Trump. And companies are bringing jobs back to Michigan. Trump is making some surprising wins (though it's hard to tell if it's all just coincidence or not). He's not even in office and even the "liberal" media is giving him credit for creating thousands of new jobs and strengthening the economy.

The Trump presidency, despite what the Post is screaming about today, has already been declared a win. Even CNN has softened their attacks. I'm sitting here watching the liberal media slowly backpedal and toe the line. The Post reported the Russian thing alongside Trumps rebuttal almost without comment.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2017, 12:57:43 PM »
His (non-Twitter) silence is what's bothered me though I haven't gotten in the nuts and bolts of today's presser.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2017, 01:02:48 PM »
Silence? He's been shouting to the rafters to anyone who'll listen that it's a lie! He came out with a rebuttal immediately and just held a press conference acknowledging Russian involvement.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #96 on: January 11, 2017, 01:19:19 PM »
I mean in general since he got elected. Other than Twitter, I feel like his shit has been super secretive.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #97 on: January 11, 2017, 01:47:47 PM »
I feel the opposite -- I feel that every move he's made has been super scrutinized and he's never hesitated to grab a soundbyte.

I mean, he's giving presidential press conferences to the full on White House press corps.... IN NEW YORK....when he's not even president yet!

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #98 on: January 11, 2017, 01:55:52 PM »
By the way -- no comment on the inauguration permit debacle? Trump not announcing the exact route of his parade until the last minute, therefore blocking every single protest group? Not even the million woman march has their permit. And DC has called in 10,000 National Guard to beef up their 3000 police. The orders, as of right now: All protest groups are illegal.

Yet is this being reported or discussed? No.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #99 on: January 11, 2017, 03:08:00 PM »
To me, it's one in a laundry list of dickish, anti-democratic, authoritarian moves he's pulled. Maybe that's his strategy: do so much unbelievably evil shit at once that a couple things slip through. I'm also paranoid to think that if this is the shit we're seeing, what are we not seeing?

As you point out, he has a majority of middle Americans who are happy attacking Meryl Streep, Hillary (still), and black people. He won. If I believe in the system (which God help me, I still do), then we have to see how it plays out.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2017, 09:27:14 AM »
Actually,  I can tell you how it plays out. A sitting president is exempt from civil or criminal charges. Congress has to impeach him first. And we seem to not want to admit that Trump isn't a singular creature. We also elected a Trump friendly (or fearful) Congress.

So,  unless he does actually murder someone in the street,  nothing will happen until after the midterm elections and,  then, only if we wise up and get a backlash congress in.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #101 on: January 12, 2017, 09:32:25 AM »
And that's the system you believe in,  by the way! I would argue that,  perhaps,  it's time to not believe in the system.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #102 on: January 12, 2017, 11:22:29 AM »
But I still do. Don't you belive in the system? Or didn't you before all this?


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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #103 on: January 12, 2017, 12:52:50 PM »
But I still do. Don't you belive in the system? Or didn't you before all this?



I think it's unwise and irresponsible to believe in and embrace an oligarchy that, since 1945, has actively worked to stifle education, free thought, and equality.

I think it's insane to believe in a system that demands a socialist level of taxation and involvement from its populace but then does nothing socially beneficial for that populace.

I think it's galling to believe in a system that has built a menacing military machine that could pretty much conquer the solar system in terms of conventional military might and range.

I think it's purest madness to believe in a system comprised of representatives who answer to corporations and special interest groups.

The only thing that sort of system can produce is an out of control dynastic aristocracy that can only be answered by a populist fascist backlash. The only thing that system can produce is division, contention, fear, and prejudice.

I've always felt this. We are a great country, and we've been occupying a very unique cultural and geographical bubble for a very long time, but human history follows a predictable cycle. We laid the foundation of who we are 70 years ago.

In historical parlance, we were the rather strong and centrally-located city-state that suddenly inherited an empire and spent the next few generations trying to manage that empire without admitting that it was an empire because we had worked hard to escape another empire in our past. But that path ends with men who rule by status and wealth or faux-populism and declare themselves gods among men.

So Trump may be a dark horse (or he may simply be the inevitable and logical conclusion of the last 70 years). Either way, the system will protect him because that's what the system's for. The "system" is not meant for the likes of you and me or to defend our lofty armchair liberal goals, RC. The system is meant to make money, to fuel greed, to further the Great American Financial Dream.

So maybe Trump will have an ethics crisis. But "The System" won't feed on him unless stocks plummet and the dollar collapses.

And, here, you need to think more globally. All around us, the world is falling apart. Our only competing currency was the Pound and the Euro... And now both are being (and will continue to be) brutally ravaged by Brexit.

This isn't Trump's America. This is the Far Right's America. Brexit has created the perfect vacuum (again, in historical parlance) for the rise of fascism. We've seen it before -- arguably every two or three generations going back to Hammurabi.

Trump is going to do well. He's going to shoot from the hip and bluster his way through to at least the mid-terms. He'll lure businesses back (by hook or by crook -- i.e., make it uncomfortable for them to go south of the border), he'll create energy jobs (again, probably all in the wrong way), and the stock market is already embracing him with cheers and kisses. But, frankly, all he has to do is maintain the current status quo on the economic front and we'll all be happy because Brexit is going to spend the next 2 years digging a giant grave for all of our competitors.

With China, all he has to do is repeat the world we grew up in -- China is scary now (as Russia was in the 1950s-60s), but it suffers from exactly the same problems as the USSR and it can be defeated the same way -- outspend, outlast, outdo. For all the talk, they're a paper tiger. They've broken their backs putting ONE aircraft carrier into the water and it's a repurposed second-hand carrier from the 1980s. They haven't even started building new ones.

Meanwhile, we have 20 active aircraft carriers, three about to launch, and 16 more coming out by 2020. The effective range of each of the new aircraft carriers we're building is, literally, global. We are building 16 world-killer aircraft carriers. Just one of our traditional aircraft carriers can effectively police and control an entire hemisphere, and we have 20 of those!

So Trump and the presidency? It's all a show. All he has to do is preform. And that's because it's the system that's evil and broken.

Trump's a problem. But he's not the problem, and what we should be doing is focusing on and trying to influence and change the problem.

And we can! It's fairly easy.

Look at what Sleeping Giant has been doing to Breitbart. All you need to do is take a screenshot.

Consider the beneficial impact of divorcing the supermarkets and shopping local.

And a dozen other little local-power things that we can do to restore and educate our communities.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2017, 01:35:29 PM »
You should rework that and post it on the front page.