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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #75 on: December 19, 2016, 01:58:02 PM »
Pennsylvania stays loyal and the public gallery erupted in violence. State troopers clearing it out.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #76 on: December 19, 2016, 02:00:37 PM »
Current count: Donald Trump has 125 votes; Hillary Clinton has 83.

Maine still not official.

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« Reply #77 on: December 19, 2016, 03:25:05 PM »
A Michigan voter refused to vote for Hillary...but was replaced.

You know what I'm starting to see here? In the middle of all the screaming in the media...everyone is speaking out against Hillary, really.

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« Reply #78 on: December 19, 2016, 03:36:12 PM »
And official. Hillary lost one of her Maine electors. He cast his vote for Sanders.

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« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2016, 04:10:05 PM »
Maine bounced the Sanders guy and swore in someone to toe the Hillary line.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #80 on: December 19, 2016, 04:16:15 PM »
Okay. Well, I'm giving up. The writing's on the wall. No one's going to be allowed to change or refuse their vote -- alternates will be sworn in. So much for the Electoral College having a chance to prove that it is something worthwhile that actually has a voice and a will. This does nothing for their (and my) argument that they actually do serve an (albeit once in a lifetime) purpose.

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« Reply #81 on: December 19, 2016, 06:46:34 PM »
Wowzers.

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Not only did it not happen, but more electors tried to defect from Hillary Clinton Monday than Trump, by a count of seven to two, as of Monday afternoon. Three Democratic electors tried to vote for Bernie Sanders instead of Clinton — one in Maine, one in Minnesota and one in Colorado. The electors' votes, however, were disallowed because of state rules binding them to the statewide popular vote winner.

Four more electors in Washington state defected from Clinton. Three voted for Colin Powell and one for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native American who gained some notoriety for her protest of the Dakota Access Pipeline.


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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #82 on: December 21, 2016, 04:18:01 PM »
End times.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2017, 01:13:31 AM »
With this story, it occurs to me that we should start making popcorn for the news every night... because this is going to be a show.

I'm predicting Trump will be out of office within a year unless he totally pulls a Hitler.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-russian-spies-sex-acts-vladimir-putin-golden-shower-fsb-541315

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Trump, Russian Spies and the Infamous ‘Golden Shower Memo’

The story began making the rounds at Washington dinner parties late last summer: Donald Trump had been caught in a compromising sexual position by Russian intelligence agents during a business trip to Moscow. According to one version, told by a high ranking Obama administration diplomat, Russian intelligence services, acting on Donald Trump’s well known obsession with sex, had arranged an evening for him with a bevy of hookers, with hidden cameras and microphones recording all the action. The jaw-dropping detail that topped the story? Trump had somehow engaged in “golden showers,” a sex act involving urine. 

Now, according to a leaked annex to the combined U.S. intelligence agencies’ report on Kremlin intrigues in the American elections, Russian security agents watched Trump engaging in “perverted sexual acts” that were “arranged/monitored by the FSB,” the Kremlin’s leading spy agency. The FSB, it said, “employed a number of  prostitutes to perform a golden showers (urination) show in front of him.” Not only that, according to the report’s anonymous Russian sources, Trump deliberately chose for his escapade “the Ritz Carlton hotel, where he knew President and Mrs. Obama (whom he hated) had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia and defiling the bed where they had slept.”

The veracity of the report and its sourcing have not been verified. CNN reported only that a two-page summary of the report “was presented last week to President Barack Obama and President-elect Trump [and] included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.” It cited “multiple U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the briefings,” and said the FBI was investigating. BuzzFeed published what it said was the full, six-page report ”compiled by a person who has claimed to be a former British intelligence official.”

On Tuesday night, Trump denied the report in a Twitter post without referring to its details. "FAKE NEWS — A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!" he wrote.

Former Acting CIA Director John McLaughlin also raised a yellow flag about the report, which he said he had not yet read.

“The two things I'd like most to know are 1.) what is the chain of acquisition—it was apparently circuitous. That always holds clues on whether someone has an agenda and what that might be,” he told Newsweek in an email. “2.) Who is the author—is it someone with experience and skill at vetting sources or someone less so. Without knowing these things,” he added, “it's impossible to judge.”

If the report had merely added a fringe of kink to Trump’s recorded “bragging about kissing, groping and trying to have sex with women,” as described by The Washington Post when it unearthed a videotape last summer, the president-elect and his devoted followers might have been able to brush it off as just another eccentricity by their idol. Indeed, an earlier abbreviated version of the newly reported allegations by Mother Jones magazine Washington Bureau Chief David Corn in October, citing “a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence,” roused only passing, titillating interest.

But repackaged and expanded on by U.S. intelligence, the new report adds heft to what some fear explains Trump’s otherwise inexplicable fondness for the Kremlin, perhaps America’s leading antagonist: According to the report’s anonymous sources, “Trump's unorthodox behavior in Russia over the years provided the authorities with enough embarrassing material on the now-Republican presidential candidate to be able to blackmail him if they so wished.”

Blackmail would elevate the story from tawdry sex to national security. And the report underscored what U.S. intelligence had been saying for weeks, with far less effect: Trump “and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his democratic and other political rivals.”

CNN's report exploded like a star shell Tuesday night, throwing a blinding light on the Trump camp’s Russian connections like no other previous revelation. The cable channel cautioned that “the allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible” but had not been independently confirmed. But it added that the FBI “is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources.”

To be sure, there was a business side to the sordid revelations, according to the memo. “The Kremlin's cultivation operation on Trump,” the U.S. intelligence report said, included “offering him very lucrative real estate development business deals in Russia, especially in relation to the ongoing 2018 World Cup soccer tournament. However, so far, for reasons unknown, Trump had not taken up any of these.”

The memo also detailed Moscow’s interest in the Clintons. Reports on Hillary Clinton were “collated” by Directorate K of the FSB spy agency “for many years,” the report said, “dating back to her husband Bill's presidency.” But not much was found by bugging Clinton’s hotel rooms, the sources said: The spies recorded no “golden showers” or “unorthodox or embarrassing behavior” from countless hours eavesdropping on Clinton and her retinue. The best they could come up with was ”things she had said which contradicted her current position on various issues.”

Whether the new report has enough blasting power to permanently damage, or even derail, the incoming Trump administration remains to be seen. It may even turn out to be phony—yet another concoction by Russian intelligence to throw American politics into another round of chaos. The only thing it proves is that sex sells scandal in America like nothing else.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2017, 07:31:59 AM »
I love the liberal narrative shift:

July-October: He'll never win!!! IT'S UNPOSSIBLE!

November-January: We must FIGHT! We must MARCH! Hillary got three extra votes so she's our winner! We must have better hashtags!

January-??: He'll last one year. Two, tops, before he's out of office. Because that's how the US Presidency works, right? Criminal presidents are immediately ejected from office, right?

That's basically the only conversation now. Everyone at work says one year, sitting at the Dish last night everyone (customers, staff, owners) were talking about the one-year presidency as if it's already done and in the history books.

My prediction: Trump will be fine and he'll ruin the country for 4 years like every president before him and then (maybe) he'll lose in 2020. But I'm not even 100% sure about that because the Dems don't have any strong, emerging leaders...nor will they...and uneducated, idiotic Middle America is strong, baby, strong.

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2017, 11:06:41 AM »
I don't know, man. *IF* this is true man, this is Russia getting in bed with a soon to be sitting president. That's like unprecedented, right? I can't imagine he'll be allowed to stay in power if the evidence mounts. I don't think Trump will go up for treason. (Though I bet people in his campaign hang.) The "Hey, they had video of me getting peed on by Zlata the high dollar Russian whore" defense will save Trump's neck.

Uneducated middle America is deluded into thinking their coal and steel jobs are coming back and that their government subsidized health care isn't going away. The truth of those falsehoods is already starting to sink in. These Russian accusations aren't coming from some limpdick Snowden whistleblower. This seems to be the real CIA & FBI putting this shit out. *IF* it's true, and *IF* Trump gets in office and remains power, then the system really is broken.
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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2017, 11:11:49 AM »
Well, newsflash, the system IS broken! And I've been saying this for months now -- this guy is more teflon than Reagan. Than anyone.

In his own words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

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Re: Trump's America (Casino & Slots!)
« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2017, 11:15:16 AM »
Do you think a man who tells voters prior to an election that he could go outside and gun someone down and not lose their vote will be hurt by a tiny little scandal.

80% of his voter base either (a) don't have access to a newspaper or any way to process the news beyond the evening news and (b) don't understand or care about it.

Welcome to modern America. (Not even New Orleans has an active newspaper anymore. The news as you're digesting it, RC, is, once again, ONLY playing to the urban educated elite because we're the ONLY ones actually parsing the news and comparing it to other sources).

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« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2017, 11:21:29 AM »
By that argument, do you think his voter base is going to grab their pitchforks and "rise up" to defend this particular shyster once the shine wears off? Do you think they'll really expend the energy? Even the posh liberates jut post on Facebook while shopping for shard at Harris Teeter. It's the system fighting Trump right now, not the people.

Which means we'e doomed probably because yes, it seems broken.

On the flip side, the whole golden shower ting is starting to make it all kind of funny. It won't be funny if it turns bad (which it might quickly), but that's next week's news.

I'm also curious to what would happen if it's decided Trump is unfit for office. Does Mike Pence get the job? Since it could be proven that the whole campaign was corrupt, would get into all that arcane civics shit where Paul Ryan (Speaker often House) becomes President?

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« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2017, 11:28:07 AM »
Here, Wired supporting your counter argument and my *IF* skepticism.

This is still the big test though. If he survives this (after surviving everything else he shouldn't have), he survives anything after.

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/spy-agency-vets-read-bombshell-trump-report-caution/

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How Spy Agency Vets Read That Bombshell Trump Report: With Caution

In the hours since a private firm’s intelligence document leaked to the web, alleging 35 pages of President-elect Donald Trump’s dirty laundry—complete with corrupt ties to Russian officials, blackmail, and bodily fluids—Twitter, Facebook, and cable news have become a feeding frenzy. Taken on its face, the report contains potentially devastating revelations. But former intelligence agents see it differently: To borrow the phrase often applied to Trump himself, they’re taking it seriously, not literally.

On Tuesday evening, Buzzfeed News published what it described as a dossier on Trump compiled by a former British intelligence official. The document includes reports from unnamed sources claiming that the Kremlin has cultivated Trump as a Putin-friendly politician for the last half decade, recorded him in blackmail-worthy “perverted sexual acts,” and made secret deals with his campaign to exchange information. Other news organizations chimed in to say they had also obtained the file, but decided not to publish it because they could not confirm its claims. While Buzzfeed acknowledges that the document is unverified, it says it decided to publish it so that “Americans can make up their own minds about allegations about the president-elect that have circulated at the highest levels of the US government.”

Imperfect Intelligence

At the very least, the document is no hoax: According to CNN and the Guardian, senior intelligence officials presented a two-page summary of its contents to both Trump and President Obama. Trump, for his part, denied the report immediately and furiously. “FAKE NEWS – A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” the President-elect wrote on Twitter, in a rare all-caps missive.

But those who spent their careers in the intelligence world are reading the report with more tempered skepticism, what ex-CIA analyst Patrick Skinner describes as “interested caution.” He says he’s neither dismissing the report nor taking its claims at face value, but like other intelligence agency alums WIRED spoke to, called it “raw intelligence” that would require far more work before it can be considered useful evidence.

“I imagine a lot more will come out, and much will be nothing and perhaps some of it will be meaningful, and perhaps even devastating,” says Skinner, who now works for the Soufan Group, an intelligence consultancy. But he warns that raw intelligence—information which hasn’t been corroborated or confirmed—like this shouldn’t be released to the public, and is impossible to assess on its own. “One of the reasons why the intelligence community doesn’t release raw or even finished intelligence, to say nothing of a privately funded, untrained…source like in this case, is that people would freak out with the day-to-day drip that might not be anything once it’s placed in context and vetted with multiple sources.”

It’s really hard to tell whether any of the info is actually true, or just a very exciting and expensively produced fan-fiction novel.   Matt Tait, former GCHQ intelligence analyst.
Some former intelligence staffers are even more dubious. “Bluntly, it looks like an ex-field officer who’s got some interesting sources, but who has no idea how to compile raw HUMINT into usable intelligence,” says Matt Tait, a former staffer of Britain’s GCHQ intelligence agency. (“HUMINT” stands for “human intelligence,” information obtained from human sources, as opposed to SIGINT, or “signals intelligence,” gathered from intercepted communications.) With its sources redacted and none of the “confidence markings” intelligence agencies use to distinguish which claims are most credible, the document is tough to parse, Tait says.

“The key to usable HUMINT is distinguishing the real, highly placed sources from the bullshitting wannabes who pretend they’re highly placed sources by making shit up that fits the public facts,” says Tait. “In this case, the doc gives no indication that the company has done work to rigorously separate the two…and consequently it’s really hard to tell whether any of the info is actually true, or just a very exciting and expensively produced fan-fiction novel.”

Get To the Source

According to CNN and the Guardian, which published stories mentioning the report without releasing the document itself, the dossier’s author is someone whom US intelligence officials consider credible, with a reputation for reliability and a wide network of Russian contacts.

But just as important as the source of the report is that source’s sources, says ex-CIA analyst Aki Peritz. “We don’t know how long they’ve been reporting, if they’re verifiable, truthful sources,” says Peritz, now an adjunct professor at American University. “Absent understanding who the sources actually are and their ability to gain correct information, it’s really hard to make heads or tails out of this.”

Peritz notes, though, that the report is still useful. Some of its claims could be verified—and may have been already—with more investigation. He points, as an example, to a part of the report that alleged Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen flew to Prague in August of last year to meet with Kremlin officials. “Maybe we have a source in Prague that could pinpoint him at a specific time,” says Peritz. (Cohen, for his part, wrote on Twitter Tuesday night that he had never been to Prague, and added a photo of the cover of his passport.)

The fact that both Obama and Trump were briefed on the report in a meeting with the heads of the NSA, CIA, FBI and Office of the Director of National Intelligence suggests that US intelligence agencies at least consider its contents important, if not altogether true, says Susan Hennessey, a former NSA lawyer. Senator John McCain personally delivered a copy of the report to FBI Director James Comey in December, according to CNN. And in a hearing today, Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon pressed Comey to reveal whether the FBI was investigating Donald Trump’s ties to Russia, a tactic Wyden has used in the past to call attention to the existence of classified information without revealing it. The Guardian also reported Tuesday that the FBI had sought, and was at least temporarily denied, a warrant to monitor the communications of four Trump staffers in its investigation of their ties to Russia.

“My general take is that the intelligence community and law enforcement seem to be taking these claims seriously. That itself is highly significant. But it is not the same as these allegations being verified,” says Hennessey, who is now a fellow at the Brookings Institution. “Even if this was an intelligence community document—which it isn’t—this kind of raw intelligence is still treated with skepticism.”

The intelligence report, in other words, shouldn’t be accepted as fact. But neither should it be dismissed as fiction. As with all raw intelligence, the intelligence community’s task will be separating the two. And with its subject set to control the world’s most powerful office—and the agencies involved—in just over a week, the time left to do so may be quickly running out.