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Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown

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nacho:
Wishful thinking.

Reginald McGraw:
I don't understand why anyone wants to watch this.

I have ignored every bit of info here, but the premise is that either Batman or Superman turns evil and the other one tries to stop him?  Ugh...super heroes should remain heroic to the extent that their persona allows it. I mean I guess if Batman turned a little evil, okay...some mental illness. But Superman would just crush him. And the movie's over.

RottingCorpse:
Funny, Reggie, after watching the trailer a few times, I had the opposite reaction.

Not that heroes should fight each other, but that trailer presents an interesting premise in showing that the world at large is like, "Uh, a super powered alien just showed up. Is this the beginning of the end of the human race." In the Marvel movies, people are like "Yay, Superheroes!" Here, there seems to be a genuine concerned reaction that feels very Watchmen-y.

And maybe Superman is under mind control by Lex Luthor and that's why they fight.

nacho:
Yeah...the Watchman vibe seems to be Marvel's masterplan. As I've seen it, there's been a very carefully orchestrated divide crafted across the movies and Marvel TV. Even Daredevil talks at length about the effects of the destruction of New York. The TV shows are almost overly distracted by the events in whichever movie that destroyed New York (all of them, right?) and how the world has changed (and not for the better).

This, by the way, is a theme lifted directly from NuWho -- the Doctor is a savior, okay. But at what cost? The "lonely god" motif of NuWho is all about how the Doctor is actually a threat to the common good because he draws evil to him, and evil knows that they can get at him by fucking with the human race. The Doctor's allies (UNIT, Torchwood), are all somewhat unsure and distrustful of his actions. His companion's lives are ruined. Even his own people despise him. Yet they all need him... They all need this ultimately tarnished lonely god.

Blurring the lines between good and evil with archetypal good and evil characters has become a common fallback in all of our genre narratives, actually. Not just Marvel and NuWho.

The problem is that these are archetypal good and evil characters. Superman, Doctor Who, the scavenger-cum-sheriff in Defiance, the man who invented a potentially genocidal AI in PoI, etc... Even when you cast them in a tough situation, and give them grey-area decisions to make, and give them a questionable background, the writing is ultimately shallow and the facets of the character don't match what the script demands. Maybe Superman does get mind controlled but, either way, it'll be a plotline as idiotic and contrived as when evil Superman formed from good Superman...whichever movie that was. Three? Four?

 

Reginald McGraw:

--- Quote from: nacho on April 22, 2015, 11:24:07 AM ---The problem is that these are archetypal good and evil characters. Superman, Doctor Who, the scavenger-cum-sheriff in Defiance, the man who invented a potentially genocidal AI in PoI, etc... Even when you cast them in a tough situation, and give them grey-area decisions to make, and give them a questionable background, the writing is ultimately shallow and the facets of the character don't match what the script demands. Maybe Superman does get mind controlled but, either way, it'll be a plotline as idiotic and contrived as when evil Superman formed from good Superman...whichever movie that was. Three? Four?

--- End quote ---

Yep, it's this problem exactly. I want Superman to be good, always and win, always. Is that boring, probably; but my brain doesn't want to accept anything else.

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