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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2016, 12:43:00 PM »
I feel bad for the people involved in the movie because they did poor their heart and soul into it, only for it to get stomped on. 


Yeah! I feel real bad, too! I, for one, absolutely hate cashing those $30 million dollar paychecks. I have to double-park the Tesla and it's especially troubling if I have to take the twins to the country club for their Badminton lessons on the same day the check arrives!

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2016, 08:44:39 PM »
It's on track to be a massive success, which means the Superhero status quo won't be changing anytime soon.

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2016, 10:49:46 PM »
Poor Ben Assfleck. That said, I LOL'd hard at that video.
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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2016, 10:05:07 AM »
Finally saw it this weekend.  While it certainly was no first Avengers or the original Iron Man, it wasn't bad.  I don't know why the critics were bashing it so much.  I actually enjoyed it more than I did Force Awakens.

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2016, 12:41:35 PM »
Confession time.

After bitching to high hell about how we need to use our power as consumers and boycott superhero movies because they've gotten out of hand, I paid $20 for the extended edition of Batman v. Superman yesterday. I'm not going to defend this decision on any level. Missus RC and I just decided we wanted to watch it. Yes, I kind of got suckered by the all the internet pieces saying that the extended edition fixed a lot of the problems from the theatrical release. (Which I'm sure were written by someone on Warner's payroll.) We also watched the first ten minutes Warner Bros. posted online. Then we had a long, reasoned discussion about whether or not to actually spend American dollars on the digital download. I'm sure we gave this decision far more consideration than some Brits gave their Brexit vote. (Or Americans will give their presidential vote in November.)

This doesn't make what we did right. I'm simply explaining how it happened.

So the movie itself... The extended edition is just over three hours long. The first half of it is sort of good. Not great, not perfect, but good enough that I wondered if the half hour of stuff left out in the theatrical cut really did hamstring the movie.

A quick note about this: two-and-a-half hours is about the max length a movie can be before the theaters have to shave off a screening to make their day. Now, you can argue that a two-and-a-half hours, most of these blockbusters are about an hour too long, and maybe you're right. However, in a case like Batman v. Superman where *theoretically* that extra half hour of story is where moments are made to sing, you could argue that quality take s a nosedive for money. In fact, there's no need to argue that point. This is Hollywood we're talking about. Quality always takes a hit in the name of larger profits. My point is, how many times to you come out of these two long blockbusters asking, "Why do feel like they cut out important parts to make their running time?"

But I digress.

The first half of Batman v. Superman is interesting and thoughtful in the way that Watchmen is interesting and thoughtful. I really like Watchmen. Most people don't.  So while watching the first half of Batman v. Superman, I started to have elitist thoughts about how maybe the general public can't handle a superhero movie of this sophistication and intellect. By the scene where Superman shows up for a senate hearing (about halfway into the three-hour runtime), I had almost become convinced that I was watching something truly unique.

Then somewhere in the next half hour, Superman is
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on top of a mountain talking to Kevin Costner, who you'll remember died in Man of Steel,
, and I wondered where exactly this movie had gone so hard off the rails. It's weird because that was the moment where I went, "Holy shit! What the fuck am I watching this for?" However, I have no idea how I got there. During the Senate scene, I was all in. And by the time Superman is
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having his mountaintop heart-to-heart with Dad
, I was hardly paying attention because I was horribly confused and thinking way too hard about the shit show I was watching.

Part of it's the "too many characters" problem, though with a three-hour running time, there aren't *that* many characters to deal with. Part if it is plot convenience, where coincidence and Lois Lane's good old fashioned newspaper know-how propels the plot forward in ways that are utterly unbelievable. But it's a comic book movie, so that's kind of okay too. A big part of it is that Batman is Batman, and Superman is Superman, and they inhabit weirdly different worlds. All the Marvel characters kind of exist on the same weird plane so when you put them together the "colors" don't clash too badly. However, noir detective Batman, and bright colored alien fantasy Superman are difficult to have exist in the same world. This really hits home during the big alien world-ending ka-blooie where Superman and Wonder Woman are fighting Comic Book Monster #45-6H7 with unlimited god-like powers and Batman is just kind of pacing around the peripheral like, "Yeah. I'm just a dude."

Even during the first half where I was still impressed (or maybe trying to justify the $20 I spent), I said to Missus RC, "You know, if you don't know the comic books, you're probably lost." Her reply was, "No shit, because I don't know the comic books and I'm totally lost." The creators of the movie assume too much inherent knowledge, and while some if it is culturally obvious (Kryptonite is bad for Superman. Duh.), a lot of it isn't. Marvel does this *now* but they're twenty movies in to their shared universe and figure very few folks are coming to Avengers: Age of Ultron having not seen a least a couple of the previous Marvel movies. And even then, they take pains to do the "previously on Chicago Hope" recap. Missus RC's other telling comment was " They're acting like they're seven movies in to their big Avengers style cinematic universe. I feel like I'm late to the party."

I could go into details, but it's such a mess I don't know where to start. Batman v Superman isn't bad necessarily, but it's certainly not good. I'll say this though, I guess I'll get my money's worth out of the purchase because I'm sure at some point, I'll watch it again just to try and figure out what exactly it's supposed be.

RC says check it out in the way he says check out the stripper who has a dead conjoined twin growing out of her shoulder blade.

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2016, 01:11:48 PM »
Duh!

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2016, 01:22:38 PM »
"Duh," because I paid money for it or "Duh" because Batman v Superman = "Duh"?

Actually, don't answer that.

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2016, 03:09:40 PM »
"Duh" because it was still a bad movie, despite all your words! And, yes, because you paid $20 for it. Actually, that's more worth a "LOL."

LOL.

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2016, 02:21:04 AM »
Nacho's so mean.
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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2016, 08:48:42 AM »
Jew fag.

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2016, 12:01:48 PM »
That was terrible. Here are my problems:

1) Since when was Gotham just across a small lake from Metropolis?

2) I am so tired of the high pitched whine to denote disaster/gunshots/explosions aftermath.

3) I am so tired of seeing Thomas and Martha Wayne die. I think we're at the point where they can just reference it and everyone on the planet can call a mental image of the scene. Watching them get shot feels like watching the Towers come down on 9/11 over and over, week after week... The only "oh!" moment is when they change the angle of a shot or give Thomas Wayne facial hair.

4) Not nearly enough footage shot of Amy Adams taking a bath.

5) Am I crazy of is Jimmy Olson not only a top ranked CIA spy but also dead? Did I miss something?

6) Why'd Superman let the government get a hold of Zod's body and ship? He might as well just sell kryptonite on eBay.

7) So they're referencing the X-Men, right? What's the meta-human thesis? And how will kryptonite hurt them? Luther clarifies it's an alien reaction.

8) I quit at the 40 minute mark to get some work done. But I feel like I can only approach this monstrosity in 40 minute chunks anyway. So more tomorrow!

Also, Amy Adams in the bath is worth the price of admission.


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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2016, 06:46:44 PM »
I should warn you that the beginning is "the good part" of the movie.

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2016, 07:05:26 AM »
Wow...yes...I finished it. I don't know what to say. That was more like a series of fever-induced nonsense dreams. They even forget simple stuff, like who is in which scene.

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2016, 10:43:15 AM »
Comic-con also gave us the Legion of the Super-Friends/Justice League trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIHH5-HVS9o

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Re: Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Superhero Movie Meltdown
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2016, 11:46:27 AM »
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