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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2011, 04:15:33 PM »
I have not being paying attention to the GOP... whatever is going on. However, Jon Stewart sums it up nicely.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/295469/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-indecision-2012-ruh-roh-edition

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2011, 08:17:57 AM »
Okay... My half hour of looking into the 2012 campaign this morning is the most active I've been since 2008!

Do we have a GOP frontrunner? This is just embarrassing. I'm also alarmed by the response. This should be like 88, where everyone knew it was a joke without the aid of being told as much by The Daily Show. There was just no question.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2011, 08:56:31 AM »
Here's the summary with a bit of my analysis thrown in.  

The short and skinny of it is that the GOP is still praying some Ronald Reagan-esque candidate pops of the woodwork between now and the New Year. I'll remind you that Bill Clinton entered the game late in '92. (Though I think he was already in the race at this point. Need to check on that.)

Mitt Romney should be the frontrunner though the GOP base seems to have major issues with the fact that he's a Mormon. I don't know if he's their best choice or not, but compared to the others he certainly seems the sanest.

Rick Perry is the frontrunner based on numbers and the fact that he has the fullest coffers of any of the candidates running. The problem is that his "Live free or Die" moment is not the first lapse of sanity he's had though it's by far the worst.. His debate performances also had hints of insanity. He doesn't seem to know the issues and also sometimes literally has trouble stringing two coherent sentences together. I seriously wonder if he might have a brain tumor or something. Some of his gaffes are that bad.

Michelle Bachmann seemed like the rational, electable real deal for about five seconds before she let it slip that she was BATSHIT CRAZY. She supports and funds "pray the gay away" camps and invokes God in a way that's become really creepy. Any momentum she had seems to be gone.

Herman Cain seemed to be picking up a good head of steam until the Clarence Thomas type shit popped up. And I still think that it's early enough in the campaign (and the GOP menu so thin) that it'll be Jennifer Flowers gone after a while. That and the sexual harassment evidence seems pretty hearsay and circumstantial. His 999 flat tax idea is radical, but not insane. And other than losing the vote of crazy white racists, the race issue becomes negated running against Obama.

Ron Paul has a small, but loud group of supporters, but is likely too radical to get get the nod. Plus, liberals kind of like him. The GOP didn't even want to invite him to the debates.

I won't say 2012 looks like an Obama slam dunk quite yet. However I will say that the GOP desperately needs a reformation of sorts. They've spent too many years aligning themselves with elements that are becoming more and more fringe.
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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2011, 09:06:01 AM »
Clinton was there early on, put on the map by Gennifer Flowers, and then skyrocketed. Remember "The Comeback Kid" and all of that?

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2011, 09:14:29 AM »
I'll have to go back and look. I thought Clinton declared his run after everybody else.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2011, 10:47:00 AM »
Nope. He was there from the beginning. Hell, he talked about running in 88! He was very Obama...everyone wanted him to step up after Hart flamed out, but he declined. Then he spent four years playing the shadow presidency game and came out hard for 92. It wasn't till Flowers before the Clinton Image Machine started up, though.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2011, 11:23:43 AM »
Shows how much you should pay attention to me when it comes to politics.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2011, 12:32:18 AM »
Yeah.  As much as I've tried to avoid it, this stuff is coming across the AP wire quite often (therefore, into my local lunch paper) and the Economist is taking every easy "in depth analysis of bullshit" chance that comes across their desk.  It doesn't help that there have been about 500 republican debates since august. 

So, Nacho, you' shouldn't be paying any attention right now.  It's either Romney or Jeb Bush reveals that he's been whipping up the most secretly assembled presidential campaign ever.  So you don't need to pay any attention at all right now, but if you must, here's my 2 cents on everyone:

First off....RC, Bachmann has been Batshit for her entire life, and on the public's batshit radar for at leats four years.  We all know nothing will come of her campaign, but the media is, for whatever reason, forced to treat her and Ron Paul like actual candidates.  My fiance has nightmares about a Bachman presidency because she's basically Palin with resolve, but it's just not going to happen.  She'll never get any big business backing and everyone who has ever known a gay person knows that her husband is gay.  It's just not going to work.

I also refuse to draw parallels in this campaign.  Everyone wants to draw parallels.  The reality is we've never had a situation like this before.  Nevermind the republican brand vs. the democratic brand.  Party politics is dogfood.  So people like Cain get hyped.  But he's basically seen the light and is trying to go after a different career route.  Become a darling of the fringe, then make them pay to hear the message they already know you'll yell at them.  Worked for Palin on accident....he's trying to set it up at the onset. 

Huntsman is smart, but just isn't catching on with anyone, probably because he's sane.  He might get picked up as a VP. 

Perry just can't win.  I can't believe he entered the race at all, myself.  Just shows how desperate the republican climate is.  "Let's build a new Republican party....with a Texas governor....who can't claim any real accomplishments...who hates Social Security...and is basically available to the highest bidder..."  Perry won't flip any Hispanics, already seems to obnoxious to court "on the fence" voters, and offers zero political capital.  There's basically no upside to him even for republican voters aside from "He's a big enough name and isn't Mormon." 

It's going to be Romney unless something ridiculous happens. 

Looks like the plan of "Let's just set fire to all of our momentum by refusing to offer any of our own ideas and just blockade the President at every turn and hope one of our Governors doesn't run their state into the ground and/or realize they would have a better chance in 2016" didn't work out so well.  When your front five are a second term (female....don't hate me for pointing it out!) House rep, a black millionaire, two ex-Governors and the current Governor of the least popular state in America, well...you've got problems.  Especially when all Obama has to do for a year is not provoke the center enough so that they feel like voting against him. 

So, onward we march towards a Dem president with the Zombie Congress 2.0
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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2011, 08:47:41 AM »
Good, thanks. I'll tune out again! Do my 1930's-style party line voting next year.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2011, 08:18:40 AM »
The Perry gaffe was awful... But, holy shit:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jon-stewart-after-herman-cains-libya-gaffe

Cain's Libya gaffe.

Why's the GOP even bothering to run a candidate? ,

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2011, 12:42:51 PM »
Holy fucking GAWD!

Well, Exeunt Cain right?

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2011, 05:03:33 PM »
Yeah... No kidding.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2011, 04:20:30 AM »
Cain was never a serious candidate!  The only way to give the fucking chafed-dick news networks more power is to listen to them when they treat these people seriously!  I'm sick of this shit, acting like Bachmann, Cain, Paul, Perry, etc. would even have a chance and that we need to chart their progress.  This is like interviewing the jockey on the 100-1 horse in the Kentucky Derby 8 months before the bugle.  Jesus I hate election coverage in this country now.  It's not just that we're turning campaigns into pseudo-reality shows with unwitting participants and reveling in their failures and odd photo ops, it's that we're setting ourselves up for the future where a candidate never goes anywhere, never has public appearances, and relies solely on nailing just one or two debates and having the most adaptable twitter feed.  The day is coming when we will know nothing about the candidates because even one gaffe will make or break a multi-billion dollar effort.  Fuck.  

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2011, 08:58:08 AM »
Jesus I hate election coverage in this country now.  It's not just that we're turning campaigns into pseudo-reality shows with unwitting participants and reveling in their failures and odd photo ops,

It is a disturbing trend. Substance is secondary. It doesn't bode well for the future candidates who are growing up in this environment. It'll be interesting to see what we evolve into, eh?

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2011, 01:09:35 PM »
Here it is uninterrupted: