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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2011, 09:06:34 PM »
I refuse to read any more of this thread until 2012.  Probably in July.  Anyone who gets mentioned now is a freaking joke. 
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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2011, 12:05:19 PM »
Ugh...


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CONWAY, N.H. ó His moment is here again, in the state where last time the dream unraveled. Monday night, on a stage in Manchester, Mitt Romney will compete in New Hampshireís opening debate of the 2012 presidential campaign, his first major test since he lost the 2008 Republican nomination to John McCain.

Now, as at various points four years ago, Romney leads big against GOP rivals in the New Hampshire polls. Now, as then, he is better financed than any foe. Some things donít change: His black hair and preternaturally youthful appearance, even at 64. His ability to put together a phone bank and raise $10 million in a single day. His emphasis on his venture capital background and how he can conceptualize job creation in the way mere politicians canít.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2011, 01:40:33 AM »
Hmmm...nope...still don't care.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2011, 11:05:39 AM »
The day after, Bachmann is the toast of the town.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2011, 11:11:55 AM »
Now she kind of scares me.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2011, 05:50:37 PM »
You know, if the GOP wins 2012, it really is time to start saying that the American experiment has failed. Not because they're scary, or because Obama did anything wrong... Just that they really shouldn't win. They have no serious candidate to field. There's no realistic way they can win except by coup.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2011, 10:09:39 PM »
I can't forsee anyone derailing Obama.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2011, 11:34:32 PM »
So I have to sit through another Victory Party?

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2011, 09:55:12 PM »
Yes. And I'm dragging you to the inauguration this year no matter who wins.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2011, 08:17:24 AM »
They really need to move the inauguration up to May. I'll go, but I'll be huffy and grumpy like a seven year old girl.

And then we can go to Hotel Washington and I'll drink like an eight year old girl!

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2011, 01:31:56 AM »
Okay, so I've been inundated over the last few weeks against my will with the opinions of others who, like me, have never heard the term "debt ceiling" before this year, who have never once considered the idea that the world economy affects our own markets, and that really, for god's sake, how much you are taxed is not the fundamental problem with our country's stagnation.

Over and over I've had debates in my head with the idiots who surround me (I work in retail in the type of store where you're welcome to come by and chat about anything, but more often than not the "anything" reflects the talking points of the most mainstream media.  Also in this job we are, of course, discouraged from berating the customer for having political Downs Syndrome).  Yet there is no safety valve, and no release for me, the person smart enough to know that I have a basic understanding of the facts and no real pivotal ideas and arguments of my own to offer the world at large.  What I do, however, realize, is the complete insanity of the republican party at this juncture of our country's lifespan. 

At this point, I don't consider myself a Democrat, and I'm not sure 95% of people in Congress do either.  A Democrat in office, right now, is a person who opposes Republican ideas, but isn't completely sure why because so many Americans seem to be for them.  He can't understand why his old chestnuts about hating Dubya just aren't quite getting the same applause as they used to.  And he definitely doesn't worry about coming up with solutions.  That's the White House's job, not his.  Right now is hunker down and party with the donors time.  right now is pray to God that Michelle Bachman doesn't mention me by name time.  Right now is the long midnight.

However, a realistic Democratic voter, right now, is probably a passive-aggressive mess who wants to push people down five flights of stairs but at the same time recognizes that that is an unethical thing to do.  He wants to urge on the social reforms that have taken baby steps since Obama's inauguration, but at the same time can't bring himself to offer any vocal support of a president who seems so hell bent on compromise.  I truly believe that if someone came to Obama with the blueprints for a car with two steering wheels, he would say, "Do it.  Whatever it costs, do it."  If a democratic voter is lucky enough to be in a state where both parties are on semi-equal footing, I hope he's overcompensating for the vast majority of us poor bastards who are stuck in red states who can't even start a conversation without first overcoming "Michelle Obama looks like a gorilla in a dress" talking points.  Granted, not everyone in a red state is racist.  There are still the "How dare Obama use tax dollars to take a vacation" type of arguments.  and the stirring "Did you know that whenever Obama is on television, the stock market goes down" bullet point.  And the "Obama is spending all of my social security money, somehow, on his own, without Congress' help, even though the president has no power to directly spend money except in extreme cases like a war"  tirade that always has me conjuring up images of Obama diving, Scrooge McDuck style, into a bin full of freshly minted pennies....because that's how he rolls.  The average democratic voter has gone from the extreme highs and jubilation of Grant Park in 2008 to the rocky Healthcare Reform debate where they were called upon to somehow defend the alterations to a vastly complex system or suffer quick jeers to the most recently horrifying stalemate where their homeboy offered up $4 trillion in cuts in exchange for $1 trillion in raised revenues and was rebuked because he was the president and had the audacity to bring up a proposal based on his own party's core beliefs.  Who then swallowed that rebuke.  Then asked all of us to agree to disagree and kick the can down the road.  BLEAH.

I say all that to say this: my current hatred of the present state of affairs in the Republican sect has nothing to do with hating "the other" for its own sake, or out of jealousy of a party that seems to be humming with its own "we're ready to rock and roll" vibes, or even just out of sour grapes.  My current hatred of the GOP stems from the fact that somehow, beyond all reasoning, despite the fact that they have offered zilch in the way of applicable ideas to current crises, despite the fact that all 8 of their candidates range from successful by way of exclusion (Rick Perry) to successful by way of Attraction to the Crazy Broad (Bachmann) to successful by the way of we've never done this before, so let's give crushing, legalistic faux libertarianism a whirl (Ron Paul), these people still hold the upper hand when it comes to the national consensus.  When they were the party in power, they were a foothold against insanity.  Now that they are on the outside, they are somehow the disregarded Brand X that we have somehow ignored. 

I don't know who is pulling the levers here, but to watch Brian Williams and his peers swallow bitter pill after bitter pill as they report GOP talking points or to read hundreds of milquetoast qualifying paragraphs appended onto the end of AP articles that shouldn't have been written in the first place is worse than sickening, it is mind numbing.  To think that the United States, of its own volition, is growing stupider and stupider by the day is not so wild a thought.  To think that this is accelerating due to a, bascially, stoned out of their gourds media and at the encouragement of Congress itself is horrendous.  My only solace is that the republicans are so disorganized and frenetically anti-everything that they are attractive to only the basest individuals, and tonight's primary debate apparently underscored this fact.  There are only two people who could really give Obama a run for his money, and then only if they play their cards perfectly.  But what won't occur, sadly, is the nomination of one of the true lunatic goons so that Obama, for once, could unload his full fury against a worldview without fear of reciprocity and show our nation how violent Moderation can be. 

Until then, I have to keep praying Jenny's prayer from Forrest Gump: dear god, make me a bird so I can fly far.  far, far away. 

(whew...I needed that.  back to real life now!)
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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2011, 08:26:04 AM »
Wow! The political forum gets a little life while I slept...

Since I've lived my entire life, except four years at college, inside the Beltway, I'm always bewildered by our neighbors in the United States of America. I see that you all somehow influence us, and that translates into either saddling our fair city and it's ring of soulless defensive burbs with a guy who either hates us and hides in the White House or loves us and eats at Ben's Chili Bowl.

Which is really the limit of all political reasoning in DC. Will the Most Powerful Transplant in the World eat at Ben's? Does he like crabs? Good! No? Well, he'll be gone in a few years anyway.

Unemployment? Bad economy? Malaise and horror? Eh...I guess.

There are certainly people seething and steaming, but it's almost universally the armchair liberals who hate Fox. Conservatives, in this city, even when in power, know to keep quiet.

So, I have to say, there are things I love about living in the DC area. A dreamy sort of one-sided nothingness. A crowd of people who all feel, generally, the same and have, generally, the same political beliefs. A feeling that we're some sort of independent city-state surrounded on all sides by wilderness. The last stand. The nucleus of a Great Experiment. If everything outside the Beltway falls, we'll still be shuffling to work every day, we'll still be the center of power.

It's all delusional, yes. But, still. I'm astounded whenever I get a customer on the phone who starts doing the insane right-wing thing. I sometimes think, well, sir, maybe you're missing the point. Whoever's in that big house up on that hill doesn't count for anything. They're just some transient garbage that's washed up off the tracks and they'll be gone in the blink of an eye.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2011, 01:40:13 AM »
I don't see much difference between people who are liberal enough to hate "republicans" and people who are conservative enough to hate "democrats". Both are pretty useless to the political process and directly cancel each other out. Both probably feel that they are vastly superior with their brilliant "different" ideas, and can't understand why someone would want to think the other way. All of this is exacerbated by our political polarization problem where each and every tiny issue has a conservative and liberal view that good party members will tow. And the worst of it is the politicians who perhaps realize that once they get to DC (or the statehouse, or the county council chamber) they have to somewhat work together with the "other side" but somehow stay "in tune" with the crackpot constituency back home.

I hate it all. We need to lose labels and make some centrist decisions about the future of our country.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2011, 08:10:34 AM »
Oh...I would think that we've been nothing but centrist, really. Under all the talk and hullabaloo. The actual actions taken are so centrist that, in the end, that's the problem with our national decisions. We need some radicalism. I don't care if it's death squads or unlimited universal healthcare, I just want something to relieve the crushing, mind-numbing boredom.

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Re: 2012 Roundup
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2011, 12:10:57 PM »
Well yes, radicalism from both ends of the political spectrum that involves sacrificing some sacred cows.