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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2012, 08:38:01 PM »
Ooo... I want to see...

Done. At Iron Sky's expense...

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2012, 08:45:18 PM »
I'm wrong about the battle... There are so many devil's backbones in my life...

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2012, 08:45:41 PM »
Was it actually shot in WV? I didn't keep up.

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2012, 08:54:03 PM »
Wait! I did have it right! Droop Mountain is up later.

It was filmed in (are you ready?) Romania! LOL.

This is fun:
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/05/29/how-realistic-is-hatfields-and-mccoys/?mod=google_news_blog

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2012, 08:57:37 PM »
Paxton being an idiot:

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Most of the six-hour film, which airs over three consecutive nights, was shot in the mountains of Transylvania; then shooting fell back to a studio near Bucharest. The locations, Paxton says, "gave me a feeling of how isolated and cut off people could be and how this (feud) could just keep going on."


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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2012, 07:50:48 AM »
So I know that it's the most watched show ever or whatever, but I'm no fan of Hatfields & McCoys. The child actors are terrible, I'm insulted by the Romania thing, and it seems shoddily made. There's that sense I sometimes get where they start the scene a second too soon. Like some old 50's soap opera where you cut to the camera and the actors are set and you hear the director say "action."

It's not that bad, of course. But this feeling gives it an amateurish sense. A non-organic flow...or break in the flow.

There's the added problem that every show of this ilk has to stand up against Deadwood... This one doesn't even stand up against the substandard third-rate Hell on Wheels.  

That's a shame because, if ever there was a chance to indulge in Deadwood-esque Shakespearean storytelling, it would be a wildly complicated, deeply emotional family feud in the hills of WVA. You've got a couple dozen noble-minded redshirts, you've got love, you've got corrupt "kings" both official and family heads...

Also, it's odd that a historical event that is so rooted in place has had that sense of place removed. There's nothing West Virginia about this...no accents, certainly not the countryside or the towns. That whole grim Appalachian mood is gone. It is just a generic western set in hill country.

In fact...I'm quitting after the first episode, I think.
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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2012, 08:45:22 AM »
Why on earth did they choose Romania...

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2012, 09:10:52 AM »
Tax credits. Super cheap to shoot there.

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2012, 10:46:05 AM »
Now, I'll be the first to admit that I know very little of this feud.  Only what I've read on the internet and remember from school.  So I went into it with no preconceptions.

Mrs. Sirharles and I just finished it last night, and greatly enjoyed it.  I thought Paxton actually acted...for once in his career.  Costner was really just playing Wyatt Earp again, but I liked it.  As to the sets and the setting.  I was actually surprised to find it was shot in Romania, because I thought it was shot in WV.  The only thing that stood out to me was the bare rocked mountains.  But as I've never been down to the Kentucky/ WV border I wasn't sure if that's how it looked or not. 
Yes, they skipped over a lot or condensed a lot of the history, but it's a 4 hour movie when you take out all the commercials and such.  They didn't have the long term budget or commitment for a Deadwood series type of thing.  I did feel the ending was a little flat, but that's probably the way it really goes in feuds.  There is just a long fade away.  In the end I enjoyed watching it and even found myself caring about some of the characters, and that's what a TV show is supposed to be.

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2012, 12:33:28 PM »
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Carlton Cuse hasn't slowed down at all since Lost went off the air in 2010. He went from running that show to running A&E's new Psycho prequel Bates Motel, he's helping Guillermo del Toro bring The Strain to TV, and now he's bringing a supernatural western comic featuring mystical firearms and dark forces to NBC.

Cuse and screenwriter Ryan Condal are set to adapt the Eisner Award-nominated Oni Press comic book series The Sixth Gun for NBC. The show is part of a multi-year deal between Universal Television and Oni's production company Closed on Mondays Entertainment.

Here's the official synopsis of the Sixth Gun comic from Oni's site.

"During the darkest days of the Civil War, wicked cutthroats came into possession of six pistols of otherworldly power. In time, the Sixth Gun, the most dangerous of the weapons, vanished. When the gun surfaces in the hands of an innocent girl, dark forces reawaken. Vile men thought long dead set their sights on retrieving the gun and killing the girl. Only Drake Sinclair, a gunfighter with a shadowy past, stands in their way."
Condal, whose past work includes still-in-development film adaptations of Greg Rucka's Oni comic Queen and Country and a new Hercules project for MGM, will script the pilot and executive-produce with Cuse and producers Eric Gitter (Scott Pilgrim vs. The World) and Closed On Mondays' Andy Bourne.

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2013, 11:51:42 AM »
Color me intrigued, as well...

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The CW is adding yet another new sci-fi series to its roster, and it sounds quite a bit like Joss Whedon’s beloved Firefly. Hmm.

Dubbed Red, the new Western/sci-fi series is described as a “neo-Western drama about the first human settlement on Mars and life on this new frontier, centering on the relationships between the town’s female sheriff, a doctor and a criminal.”

So, one-part Firefly and one-part Defiance, perhaps? Color us intrigued.

The series is being developed by Bruno Heller (The Mentalist) and Tom Szentgyorgyi (Journeyman, Drive), so that’s admittedly a bit of an untested team as far as straight up sci-fi goes (aside from Szentgyorgyi’s stint on the short-lived Journeyman). But the premise has us intrigued, and we can’t wait to see what they do with it.

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2015, 10:44:51 AM »
So... Unsurprisingly, I think modern sci-fi has proven that Firefly was simply ahead of its time. SyFy's new power sci-fi Friday night now features three sci-fi western shows.

First we have season three of Defiance -- which is an out and out western, complete with sheriffs and horses and bad guys and the sci-fi version of the Deadwood set.

Then we have Killjoys -- the new show (which is kinda lame) that follows the adventures of two bounty hunters/marshals patrolling the frontier. It's got a Cowboy Bebop vibe going on.

Then we have Dark Matter -- which is excellent so far. Dark Matter follows a group of  pirates with hearts of gold also in the outer rim sort of worlds. The original pitch appears to have been "what if we put the crew of Firefly on the ship from Andromeda and make it like Stargate Universe but set it in the Firefly universe?"

So Fridays are now all about watching westerns with laser guns! And...it's kind of awesome. And not just because not a single episode of Defiance goes by without Jaime Murray getting naked.




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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2015, 10:43:40 AM »
Both Killjoys and Dark Matter, each two episodes in, are getting tedious.

Dark Matter is trying to do the same thing SGU did -- it's an ensemble show, but they want to do a sort of gritty "we're not an ensemble yet" broken family approach. Same basic principle, as well -- they're bene forced together, there's a mystery at the heart of everything, and they have to get along but they're not all exactly on the same page and some of them may be evil...or maybe not.

This means we'll spend the whole season having bottle episodes about how they don't get along.

I suppose that would be fine but, unlike SGU, there's no single character who is fleshed out. They're all two dimensional cardboard cut-outs of sci-fi tropes.

Theoretically, there's a larger issue at play... But I don't think we'll care even when they get around to developing that. The only likable and interesting character is the emotionless android, and that's because she's comic relief.

Meanwhile, Killjoys is a meandering mess that already, just two episodes in, feels repetitive and annoying. It's one that will shift to personal cancellation if it doesn't pick up the pace after five episodes.



 

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2016, 10:40:20 AM »
So Deadwood is getting a movie. Which seems a bit weird at this point... That's like if they decide to make a movie of Dream On or something. Deadwood feels like it was a million years ago.

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Re: The Modern Western Discussion (was "sci-fi western discussion")
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2019, 08:01:13 AM »
The Mandalorian! Which perfects the sci-fi western. Something we said couldn't happen in this thread.