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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2010, 05:10:45 PM »
I can't see the Democrats being socialist liberal lefties at all.  It's a centrist party. The most radical elements (Biden, Boxer, etc) are centrists.

Our problem is that we have two middle of the road parties. One has an emerging core of conservative freaks, and the other has no core at all. Which is worrisome.

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2010, 10:06:15 PM »
I don't even want to think about it right now.  Despite the media frenzy, I just don't buy that a big torrent of seat changes is going to take place, and if it does, all the races will be close and the losers will just be losers, not people with the wrong ideas or rhetoric.  And every Tea Party idiot that does get elected is going to be immediately walled off by the moderates because they won't play ball and won't even want to learn how to play ball.  Seriously, if you're a leader in the republican party, who are you going to assign to the Ways and Means committee?  Rhonda Scrotumswallow from Nebraska who wants to cut off all aid to the unemployed or Todd Swingdick from Georgia who brings all his donors to the table and only wants a few government contracts in exchange.

Plus, can anyone tell me how cutting taxes down to almost nothing is any different than just spending money like it's going out of style?  How does that leave the country any better off? MY BRAIN HURTS!!!
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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2010, 10:50:55 PM »
It starts small, Cass.  And it'll be fueled by middle America.  What happens when Rhonda Scrotumswallow is returned to office every two years with a 70% margin?  And Todd Swingdick has to pander to those sorts to keep his head above water because Suzie Creamcheese is creeping around threatening to steal the seat for the Dems?

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2010, 09:38:11 AM »
I don't know.  I just don't believe that the fringe can start dictating policy, even if a few members get elected.  Kucinich is a good example on the other side.  He hasn't really started a movement and had more people follow him.  He's just really popular in his district. 

More and more I find it hard to believe that "national mood" or some kind of massive movement affects congressional races.  It almost always comes down to how one candidate is perceived over another in their district.
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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2010, 10:29:51 AM »
People only follow Kucinich because of his wife.

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2010, 11:15:05 AM »
Tea party = racist old guard who will be dead in twenty years . . . It'll pass. We might have to deal with some shit, but it'll pass.

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2010, 12:14:26 PM »
Now, I will admit that I'm not following any of this, but the Tea Party seems to have a very youthful face. And racism is an American tradition, RC. It's not going to go away. We live in a society that's still heavily segregated, albeit in a more passive way. Hell, I'm sitting in an office right now in the heart of a "liberal" company where my female and minority senior peers are making less than I am.

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2010, 01:35:13 PM »
The candidates are youthful, but most of the supporters skew older an white. In 21st America, I don't see how a movement like that can last.

Plus, I always get the impression that the whole thing has this weird passive-aggressive "The South Will Rise Again" vibe. Go to some of the Tea Party blogs. The vibe is hateful, xenophobic, and ugly.

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2010, 04:02:24 PM »
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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2010, 05:23:19 PM »
And that's the logic of these fuckers, which is why the movement is doomed to fail.

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2010, 01:42:11 AM »
And that's the logic of these fuckers, which is why the movement is doomed to fail.

Lack of logic has never stopped anyone from staying in Congress for decades.



RC, you're right that racism as a policy will never last long in government, but while it seems like a standard issue ideology for Tea Party people, it's really just about identity for them.  "I'm not an illegal alien, I'm not a terrorist, I'm not a gay....don't I deserve some attention?"  These people honestly believe the government is just funneling cash to everyone who could give a fuck about the future of the country and they're pissed about it.  Unfortunately they see budgetary allocations as moral issues.  Of course it's bad for the government to waste money.  But the billions we're spending on making sure poor people don't die at the age of twenty five in tuberculosis-tainted gutters is a fraction of the amount the government hands out in tax credits for a million bullshit "business stimulation" schemes. 

It's hard to really stay mad at rich people when you want so badly to be one.  It's a lot easier to treat someone who's never had the chance or encouragement to educate themselves like shit because they take the lollipop when it's handed out to them. 
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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2010, 11:21:57 AM »
"Democrats brace for heavy losses" is today's headline... And, at my polling station at 8am, I was all alone.  Which is a first for me... It was weird. 

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2010, 01:04:24 PM »
I've been searching for the list of TEa Party candidates so I can play an apocalyptic drinking game tonight.

So far, the list I've found is:

Senate Candidates:

Calif. - Chuck Devore (R)
Florida - Marco Rubio (R)
Kansas - Todd Tiahrt (R)
Kentucky - Rand Paul (R)
Nevada - Sharron Angle (R)
Pennsylvania - Pat Toomey (R)
South Carolina - Jim DeMint (R)

House Candidates:

Calif.-4 Tom McClintock (R)
Ga.-6 Tom Price (R)
Idaho-1 Walt Minnick (D)
Ind.-6 Mike Pence (R)
Minn.-6 Michele Bachmann (R)
S.C. -2 Joe Wilson (R)
Tenn.-7 Marsha Blackburn (R)

Anyone I'm missing?

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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2010, 01:19:50 PM »
Just went to my polling place.  The line just to get a voting card was an hour, then there was another half hour line to get to the machines.  Plus the school my polling place is in is also in session, so there are a bunch of kids running around and uppity white women going, "I wouldn't want MY CHILD'S school full of the general population!  This is outrageous!"  Fucking Roswell.

So yeah, I didn't vote.  I'm not waiting in line to negate Republican votes, so I will go back later in the afternoon hoping it won't be so bad. 

I also feel like mentioning that I have paid virtually no attention to this election cycle whatsoever.  I have read up on the Georgia amendments that are up for debate, so I know how I'm voting there, but beyond that I am taking my father's approach to the election (he is registered to vote for the first time in over 20 years).  He is simply going to vote against all the incumbents, which I think is a pretty decent statement.  I talked to him on the phone a few weeks ago and he said, "Well... looks like I'm a Democrat this year."  I didn't have the heart to tell him that if he stays in Tennessee for the rest of his life and takes the same approach every election cycle, then he's probably going to perpetually be a Dem.

That said... I think the Dems are about to have their asses handed to them... probably even more than they were in '94.
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Re: 2010 Mid-Terms
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2010, 01:32:11 PM »
Yeah.  I think it's going to be a nasty evening...

For the record -- I am a huge fan of the "vote against the incumbent" idea. I always follow a version of that -- voting against the "continuation of office" elected civil servant fucks.