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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2005, 12:39:12 AM »
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I think the next big thing that's going to go completely unnoticed by the public is all these recent studies finding that all those "trace amounts" of common chemicals are really fucking us up. Perchlorate in drinking water causes brain and behavior changes in rats and has thyroid effects in people, DEHP in food packaging, toys, and building products causes birth defects in mice and early-puberty in girls, DBP in shampoos, pills, and plastic toys causes gene and hormone changes in mice and causes genital deformities in babies, BPA in plastic bottles and food-can linings changes brain behavior and causes sex organ problems in mice. But we all suck it down every day. WSJ has a decent article on it (today?) but it's still a quiet subject. Hopefully people are going to want to know why cancer rates and birth deformity rates have been rising the past few decades.

But all that's going to go unnoticed until someone puts the problem to snappy music and flashy dance.


This is totally left field for me.  Mind throwing up some links?

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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2005, 12:43:17 AM »
I don't think WSJ has the story up for free, but just search Google News for the chemical names:

Perchlorate
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=perchlorate&btnG=Search+News

Bisphenol A (BPA)

Dibutyl Phthalate (DBP)

Diethylhexyl Phthalate (DEHP)

But yeah - it's still hard to find. You probably have access to APA's library and magazines, no? Perhaps you'll find some studies on these chemical's effect of behavior or something.

Some of those chemicals have no "safe limit". Essentially: one part per million is still damaging.

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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2005, 10:15:18 AM »
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Now, I hated Super Size Me.  I think the only thing worthwhile were the interviews with truly soulless people.


Why did you hate Super Size Me? The only probelm I had with it (and it was small) was the TV reality show-esque "drama" they tried to create of "will he or wom't he make it?"

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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2005, 10:35:38 AM »
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That's the trendy thing to do these days: be against something not a lot of people are against. See my relevant blog comment in (???)'s blog.

So yeah, fuck CPR. That's a crock of shit. Saving the drowning and choking babies, children, and other people? Way overrated.

Shakespeare sucks too. He couldn't write a Dick and Jane book if you held his feet to fire.


Okay, so I was pretty hammered last night and posting on an internet forum... I might not have made the most articulate argument against Morgan (did I mention I hate his girlfriend?)... but your analogies here are ridiculous.  Hating Super Size me is like saying "fuck CPR"?  Give me a break, man.

My drunken, inarticulate point about Morgan's opus was simply that it, like Fahrenheit 9/11, was a movie about a something Morgan and his girlfriend felt very strongly about and as a result it isn't at all objective in what it set out to accomplish.  It is a movie designed to FORCE you into thinking and believing what they believe about our fast food culture and it doesn't give you the chance to decide how you feel about it for yourself.  Whether you agree with Morgan or not is beside the point, you should be pissed off at him and his stupid little movie for treating you like you're too dumb to fucking feed yourself without becoming an absolute whale.  Like I said, it's entirely possible to eat at McDonald's for 30 days straight and actually lose weight, so his entire movie is a crock.  It points the finger at the wrong people if you ask me.  

And if you even think that he wasn't "acting" sick throughout half the movie, then your head is even further up your ass than it would appear.

Yeah, it's true that it's hip and trendy to be against stuff that everyone else enjoys, but that's been the case always and forever.  I genuinely disliked Morgan's movie, hype aside, and I guess I've let it automatically taint his television show.  I don't have cable or a decent internet connection, so I haven't been able to pirate the goddamn thing and watch it yet... it might be a good show, I'm not sure.  But if it suffers from the same symptoms his movie did, then I probably wouldn't enjoy it.

Rent Penn and Teller's Bullshit instead...
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2005, 10:46:38 AM »
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Why did you hate Super Size Me? The only probelm I had with it (and it was small) was the TV reality show-esque "drama" they tried to create of "will he or wom't he make it?"


Because if you do anything to an extreme you're going to have a bad reaction.  It's an unfair test.  How about one year of McDonald's in moderation.  Then lets see what happens to the body.  Nobody eats like that in a month...they can't, as was unwittingly proven by Spurlock.

Point made, sure.  It's poison.  But, then, so is just about everything else we eat.  Normal people, avoiding McDonalds, don't have the time or budget to eat the way we should.  Frozen dinners, even the expensive ones, are equally bad.  

Also, he's coming off of a carefully balanced diet prepared by an upper class, professional vegan chef and, then, makes a show of how sick he gets and blames it on the food when, really, it's the change of diet.  You and I would have similar digestion problems adjusting to his very healthy pre-Super Size diet for the first 30 days.

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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2005, 10:53:02 AM »
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Rent Penn and Teller's Bullshit instead...


Now that is a fucking eye-opening show.  It should be on primetime broadcast TV every night.

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2005, 12:30:20 PM »
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Hating Super Size me is like saying "fuck CPR"?  Give me a break, man.


Hyperbole! I'm not saying they're the exact same thing.

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It is a movie designed to FORCE you into thinking and believing what they believe about our fast food culture and it doesn't give you the chance to decide how you feel about it for yourself.


Yeah, I just couldn't believe that the DVD included a midget that held a gun to my head. "DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEEING MOTHERFUCKER?" "Uh, not reall-" *BLAM BLAM BLAM*

And the audacity of those editorial writers who choose a position of an issue and only argue that side! How dare they!

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Like I said, it's entirely possible to eat at McDonald's for 30 days straight and actually lose weight, so his entire movie is a crock.  It points the finger at the wrong people if you ask me.


So prove it. Make a movie! Heh. The McDonald's Beach Diet. Morgan ate through the menu and had doctors telling him to stop or suffer permanent damage. How would you lose weight by eating at McDonald's? Well, ok, I'm sure you could only eat McDonald's and lose weight by eating a single french fry every day, but I don't think that counts.

My older brother is as thin as a rail but he eats fast food at least twice a day (he can't cook or take care of himself, so he just buys fast food). So he may not be fat, but he's still just as unhealthy. I'd go through his list of health problems caused by his fast food habit, but thats probably invasion of privacy.

highcholesterolheartproblemshemroidsscurvybadbreathandpersistentconstipationamongothers

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2005, 12:41:58 PM »
Just as an aside -- That list of health problems isn't just caused by fast food.  Half of them are now believed to be mainly genetic, the other half could be any of a thousand factors.  Stress is our number one problem.

And:  Scurvy, Tyson?

I don't think anyone's defending McDonald's here, man.  It's just the shock therapy approach that, to an awake mind, is silly.  

Like I said -- fuck Spurlock's experiment.  The real power of Super Size me was in the interviews with little devil people.

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2005, 12:45:03 PM »
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It is a movie designed to FORCE you into thinking and believing what they believe about our fast food culture and it doesn't give you the chance to decide how you feel about it for yourself.


Yeah, I just couldn't believe that the DVD included a midget that held a gun to my head. "DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEEING MOTHERFUCKER?" "Uh, not reall-" *BLAM BLAM BLAM*

And the audacity of those editorial writers who choose a position of an issue and only argue that side! How dare they!


Well no, not really.  Arguing one side of a multi-sided issue is one thing while pretending that your side of an issue is the only side, not even acknowledging that other possibilities exist is another.  Yeah, exactly... how dare they.

The only reason you like this movie is because you hate fast food and what the fast food industry represents.  You enjoy it only because you both share an idea about McDonalds and you don't care that it does it in a one-sided, prejudiced and completely biased manner.  It's the same thing with Moore's giant piece of crap movie about Bush... you hate Bush so much that you're willing to turn a blind eye to the fact that it's basically a 2 hour piece of shit made up of character assasination and selective attention about world affairs.  

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Like I said, it's entirely possible to eat at McDonald's for 30 days straight and actually lose weight, so his entire movie is a crock.  It points the finger at the wrong people if you ask me.


So prove it. Make a movie! Heh. The McDonald's Beach Diet. Morgan ate through the menu and had doctors telling him to stop or suffer permanent damage. How would you lose weight by eating at McDonald's? Well, ok, I'm sure you could only eat McDonald's and lose weight by eating a single french fry every day, but I don't think that counts.


Okay, I take it back... maybe you are too stupid to feed yourself without someone holding your hand.  McDonalds does sell salads and grilled chicken, ya know.

Let's see... there are these stories:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/090804G.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/whaley_200506230747.asp

Fucking hippies, all of you.  Jesus...  I think I'm gonna go out and buy a high powered rifle and petition to join Yotoc's fortified compound.  Liberals are really starting to piss me off.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2005, 12:47:57 PM »
bah.

all you guys just need to learn to cook.  it's cheaper in the long run and way healthier for you (assuming you're not cooking up 2/3 lb. hamburgers everyday). plus chicks dig it.

I tend to agree with nubbins here.  I thought the movie was entertaining, but I'd already given up fast food long before.  It's almost impossible to know now that it's bad for you.  It's just like cigarettes.  You've been told a million times cigarettes are going to give you cancer, emphysema, and rot your mouth and throat out of existence but millions keep starting up.  same thing with fast food.  you could make the same movie about cigarettes and have the same kind of reaction from the public as long as someone eccentric and entertaining enough was the host.  

haven't seen the TV show either, but suffice it to say FX doesn't have quite the audience gravity as a lot of other channels.  in the end, it's just another fish-out-of-water reality show, and any introverted soul-searching done by the people will probably be forgotten by the viewers within a day.  

of course, i could be wrong and it could surge through DVD sales.

"let's see that part where the gay guy slaps the muslim again!"

"sweet!"

er, wait, or was that Real World 6?
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