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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2009, 11:38:44 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29402296/

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... Jindal's voice and earnest, awkward delivery have drawn comparisons to Kenneth Parcell, the geeky page on the NBC comedy "30 Rock."

Indeed, a new Facebook group titled "Bobby Jindal is Kenneth the Page" had already attracted more than 1,800 members Wednesday afternoon.
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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2009, 03:14:19 PM »
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The intellectual incoherence is stunning. Basically, the political philosophy of the GOP right now seems to consist of snickering at stuff that they think sounds funny. The party of ideas has become the party of Beavis and Butthead.

HA!  That's great.

I would be interested to get the perspective of some more conservative GSers on Jindal's speech and the state of the GOP right now.  My feeling is that in the initial weeks of Obama's Presidency, they have not handled themselves very well.  They haven't seemed to present any constructive ideas on reform beyond cutting taxes.  Republicans have done little if anything to foster a sense of bipartisanship in Washington... I almost feel like they're still playing the politics of June or July of 2008 and I want to slap them and tell them that the election has been over for a while now.

But, I'm a pretty liberal person and that is probably clouding my perspective. 

I think the GOP is doing spectacularly well at framing the argument and provking resentment and snickering.

Of course a lot (most, IMNSHO) of their facts are fabricated, flawed and misleading.  That doesn't matter to most people.  Everything Obama needs to do is complicated, will have flaws, and will be very vulnerable to snickering.  The GOP is good at being unashamed and expanding unabashed potshots into full blown indictments of character, philosophy, everything.  Americans feel poor, so Republicans attack spending -- makes complete emotional sense, if you frame it right.  Dismantling Guantanamo sounds scary; even liberals know there are some dangerous and angry people in there.  I also think that a lot of people are instinctively pro-torture.  Big things are afoot in government and in the world/economy, and the GOP is able to tap into every divisive fear they've been feeding us for years. 
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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2009, 01:43:53 PM »
I don't see how I got from reading one day that Obama wants to slash the budget deficit by half by the end of his term (which I applaud), to the next day when I read that Obama wants to sink further in debt by the trillions of dollars.

I wish everything wasn't so politicized and charged and polarized, but it is, and that sucks.

I thought Obama's speech was good.  I didn't watch Jindal's response.  In general, I like the idea of him, but mostly because of his Indian heritage and my own patriotic "This is America, anyone can do anything," feelings.  I am disappointed by Cass' summary of him, because I thought that he was getting things done in Louisiana.  I don't know much about him other than that impression, which I got when I spent a week in NO.

Mostly, I'm still tired of politics...maybe forever.

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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2009, 01:52:40 PM »
yeah, that's his image.  but he hasn't done anything except tour the country.  plus, it wasn't like he lived in hardship.  he was a first-generation american and grew up speaking english.  he didn't come over on a boat running from colonial british or anything.
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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2009, 01:58:58 PM »
Well, yeah, but I like Obama for the same reasons.

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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2009, 02:02:59 PM »
Mostly, I'm still tired of politics...maybe forever.

I hear that, for sure.
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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2009, 02:34:07 PM »
yes, in america anyone can do anything...but it helps if you go to brown and are a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford.
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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2009, 03:00:27 PM »
True story.

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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2009, 10:11:47 PM »
so he was featured for 15 minutes on 60 Minutes last night.  This guy is everywhere!  except doing what he's supposed to be doing in Louisiana!
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Re: Out of the Closet: Bobby Jindal
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2009, 03:02:17 AM »
Oh my god.

'"I think Rush [limbaugh] is a great leader for conservatives," Jindal says'

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/02/lkl.jindal/index.html

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Jindal on Obama: I'm 'not nearly as good of a speaker'

(CNN) -- CNN's Larry King talked with Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal in a prime-time exclusive interview Monday night.

Jindal gave the Republican response after President Obama's address to Congress last week. Jindal received negative reviews after the speech, and Larry asked him how he felt about that. They also talked about the war of words in the Republican Party centered around Rush Limbaugh.

The following transcript has been edited for brevity and clarity:

Larry King: Governor, you took a lot of flak for that speech. Were you surprised that you did?

Gov. Bobby Jindal: Let's be clear, the president is a great speaker -- probably the greatest we've seen in a generation. I'm certainly not nearly as good of a speaker as he is. And I'm not the only one that's got that opinion.

I hope people look at the content of the speech, not just the delivery. You know, for years, I've been told I speak too quickly. Now I'm told I speak too slowly.

What's more important is I was outlining a philosophical difference with the stimulus package, with the leadership in Congress, with the administration. I was outlining a philosophical disagreement that says we need to get businesses hiring again. We need to put more money in the private sector. Watch Larry King's interview with Gov. Bobby Jindal »

Let's cut taxes. Let's get rid of the wasteful spending. That's the debate. That's the discussion we need to be having.

King: But governor, to say that the federal government apparently has no voice in this crisis, when in some cases, they are the only answer, that pointed to a lot of the criticism, didn't it?

Jindal: If the president had actually delivered the targeted temporary stimulus package that he described, I think you'd see a lot more conservative and Republican support. We absolutely agree with the kind of infrastructure spending he describes -- speeding up federal spending that would have happened anyway.

Less than 5 percent of this bill was actually [for] the shovel-ready infrastructure spending that he described. ...

Fundamentally, I don't think $30 million for the federal government to buy new cars, $1 billion for the Census, $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts is going to get the economy moving again as quickly as allowing the private sector to create jobs.

King: There was no criticism of the Bush bailout of the automobile industry. No criticism of the last eight years of the Republican leadership with a tremendous deficit.

Jindal: Well, Larry, I think that you're absolutely right. One of the reasons the Republicans lost the elections in 2006 and 2008 is the Republican Party didn't match its actions with its rhetoric. ...

I think one of the reasons we lost elections was that the Republicans came to Washington to change the culture and instead became captive of that culture. The Republican Party defended spending and corruption we never would have accepted from the other side.

King: Governor, if perception is reality, do you think your speech hurt the party?

Jindal: I think that people are going to look at the content. I think people are going to be focused now that we've [got] alternative views on how to move our country forward.

Let me begin the first to say we want to work with the president every chance we can get. Whenever we can find areas of agreement, we need to work across the aisle and put America first.

But when we disagree, we need to offer principled alternative solutions. So for example, in health care, I agree with the president that health care should be affordable for every American. I just don't think it should be a government-run program.

King: All right, governor, here was Rush Limbaugh at this weekend's CPAC Conference. Watch.

Rush Limbaugh: What is so strange about being honest and saying I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation? Why would I want that to succeed?

King: Governor, do you think people are thinking about capitalism now or are they thinking about problems?

Jindal: Look, clearly, the American people are worried about paying their mortgages, keeping their jobs and paying their health care bills. I think Rush is a great leader for conservatives. I think he articulates what a lot of people are concerned about.

King: Do you want him [Obama] to fail?

Jindal: I don't want those policies to be adopted. I want my country to succeed, but I don't want policies to be adopted.

King: What if the policies work?

Jindal: Well, again...

King: What if they work?

Jindal: This is where we have a fundamental disagreement. I don't think it's going work ... to spend in excess of our revenues.

I want my country to succeed. But what I worry about is that simply spending money on new programs. Look at every new bailout. You talked about the auto bailouts. Then you had the fourth, I think it's the fourth -- it's hard to keep track -- AIG bailout today. It seems like every time you turn around, there's another trillion dollar plan.

King: One more thing. It may be moot now, but RNC Chairman Michael Steele took some shots at Limbaugh and then apologized. What do you make of all of that?

Jindal: Well, I didn't follow the day's events. I'm glad he apologized. I think the chairman is a breath of fresh air for the party. As I said before, I think Rush is a leader for many conservatives and says things that people are concerned about. [He] articulates very well the concern people have about growing government spending without an end in sight.

King: Thanks, governor. We'll call on you again. Always good seeing you.

Jindal: Thank you, Larry.