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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2008, 10:33:57 PM »
I thought Obama looked weaker than McCain. The kid gloves need to come off.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2008, 11:13:42 PM »
The kid gloves need to come off.

Agreed.  Don't just mutter under your breath "That's a lie.  That's not true."  YELL ABOUT IT.  FUCK YOU.  THAT IS A GODDAMNED LIE AND YOU KNOW IT.
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2008, 01:24:30 AM »
We can hope he'll open those attacks during the other debates.  He might have just been warming up and chilling during this foreign-policy "home turf" of McCain's. 

I think he has to open the attacks before he's elected, otherwise he'll be attackable as a bait-and-switch if he only earnestly attacks the massive reality distortion after the vote's been tallied.

It's this kind of all-or-nothing bullshit that the duopoly dreams about.  Red and blue leaders are rejoicing that the stakes are so high that no one could consider a third party.  There's no need for those (us) who give a shit about anything to debate the issues, because everyone who would make any political noise has already chosen blue or red.  And everyone's willing to give up one or more principles in order to get their team's color this one crucial win. 
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2008, 01:54:08 AM »
Kind of like how this surfaces:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aH5R1s5_w5E

And everyone's like, WTF, where was this guy four years ago?

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2008, 03:33:23 AM »
Kind of like how this surfaces:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aH5R1s5_w5E

And everyone's like, WTF, where was this guy four years ago?

yeah, that's solid.  nice clip, Mr. Balls!
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 05:08:04 PM »
Hell yeah... that's a great clip.
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2008, 04:38:20 PM »
So, this is the deabte thread for all four of them, correct?

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Under-fire Palin preps for key debate

NEW YORK (AFP) - Sarah Palin spent Tuesday in Republican "boot camp" cramming for this week's vice presidential debate amid mounting concern over whether she is ready for a White House post and calls for her to quit the ticket.

The first-term governor of Alaska will face off in St Louis, Missouri, on Thursday against the Democratic vice presidential pick, veteran Senator Joseph Biden, in their sole clash ahead of the November 4 election.

With some Republicans fearing a fiasco, the telegenic but inexperienced Palin is undergoing several days of intensive debate training at the Arizona ranch of presidential nominee John McCain.

In a time-honored tradition of the White House race, Biden was also spending time off the campaign trail preparing for the key debate.

What US media dub Palin's "boot camp" will continue right through Wednesday, with senior McCain aides and former White House operatives coaching her and cramming her with facts.

McCain, 72, also sought to help Palin navigate the media minefield, chaperoning her in a new CBS interview and indicating that Palin, 44, could emulate past presidents Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton.

In a joint appearance on CBS television on Monday, McCain and Palin aimed to reverse the damage done by earlier Palin interviews, widely lampooned by the popular US comedian Tina Fey on the Saturday Night Live television show.

Interviewed jointly by Katie Couric, who questioned Palin alone in the earlier sessions, McCain intervened during a difficult question about whether his running-mate had contradicted the party's platform on Pakistan.

Palin had been criticized for telling a voter at a rally that the United States should be free to launch raids inside Pakistan in search of insurgents, after McCain rebuked his Democratic opponent Barack Obama for saying the same thing, warning that it was wrong to give notice of such attacks.

But McCain blamed the controversy on what he called aggressive "gotcha" journalism and interrupted when Couric asked Palin if she was sorry for having created such a stir.

The Arizona senator pointed to other state governors who had had limited national exposure when launching their bids for the White House, yet went on to become heavyweight presidents.

"I remember that Ronald Reagan was a 'cowboy.' President Clinton was a governor of a very small state that had 'no experience'," McCain said.

Palin, a political unknown before she was picked by McCain on August 29 to be his running mate, has on the whole been kept shielded from the national media.

A devout Christian and mother-of-five who is fiercely anti-abortion and a paid-up member of the National Rifle Association, Palin electrified McCain's campaign after being plucked from the obscurity of the far north.

She became the poster girl of the Republican right at the party's convention in early September and stole Obama's thunder as the freshest face on the political landscape.

But in recent days she has faced widespread ridicule for the few interviews she has given, including for citing Alaska's proximity to Canada and Russia as giving her a solid grounding in foreign policy.

She was also unable to give a coherent answer on how to resolve the financial crisis, and her reply, almost unaltered, was mimicked by Fey in a clip that has gone viral on the Internet.

Democrats and much of the media have assailed not only Palin's alleged lack of readiness for White House duty, but McCain's lack of judgement in choosing her.

More worrying for McCain is that noted conservative figures are now joining the barrage of attacks.

Writing in the conservative National Review, columnist Kathleen Parker said Palin should step down.

"Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson (ABC News), Sean Hannity (Fox News) and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League," Parker wrote.

"As we've seen and heard more from John McCain's running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem," she added.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2008, 04:59:25 PM »
QUIT HAHAHAHA I HATE YOU

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2008, 07:20:51 PM »
This should be fun to watch.
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2008, 09:26:31 PM »
just watched the first debate today.  i really felt it was a draw.  if you were really "listening between the lines" so to speak, all we really got were the same talking points (and even a lot of the same jokes on McCain's part) we've heard a thousand times in the past 3 months.  I really refuse to believe there's this vast majority of people out there who don't start paying attention to the campaign until the debates comes on, so why not get down to the nitty gritty?  both candidates pulled out some old chestnuts--McCain beating the long-dead "no preconditions" horse, and Obama going on and on about how many times McCain sided with Bush. 

Like nubbins, I'm also disappointed in either of them for talking specifics about the programs they want to push and which ones would feel the razor's edge if this bailout ties up a lot of federal money.  But I think obama did do a good job of "attacking" McCain.  A lot of people for some reason want Obama to fall into the trap and start doing some angry yelling and fist-pounding, but his slice-and-dice of McCain's earmark math and the obviously stupid refusal to be persistent in diplomacy with Iran and North Korea were fundamentally solid, true points and i think he got the logic of it across.  And it seemed to me his interruption of McCain whenever he made some outrageous claim with a stern "That's not true, John."  or "You know that's a lie, John," came across as meaningful and made McCain look stupid for trying to reword it seconds later.  We can't have Obama acting like some forum-junkie just going "WTF Dude?" 

Also slightly worrisome was the fact that both candidates really treaded water on the russia question, seeing as how neither of them has a plan.  of course, that's gonna be up to the handlers, analysts, and State Department officials later, but stepping in a hole by saying "i'm totally against what they did to georgia but obviously did nothing about it" is kind of stupid. 

overall, McCain's tone and tenor did come across as pissed off and irritable, but he was definitely more well-behaved than he could have been.  Obama to me seemed spot on, mostly avoided the Vaudeville routine that demo candidates of the past 20 years have been doing with the "i'm reminded of a middle-class factory worker i met in Dead Indian Falls last month who had an unbelievably sad story blah blah blah"  (save for that stupid bracelet skit, what was up with that?  it was like a Mac/PC commercial), so that's a plus.  but i really don't feel any more confident about Obama or have any more spite for McCain than I did yesterday.  Both of them are locked into the party mode based on data and plotlines they had to start spouting way back in january, and things have changed.  Right now to me, personally, the Iraq war has gone through a sea change and we need to analyze the new data before making any plans, and this bullshit about sending more troops in Afghanistan that both of them want is another band-aid when cold hard surgery is needed (i.e., getting Pakistan on our side and getting the UN to share in the care of the Afghani infrastructure).

 So we'll see how things go with this next town hall debate.  but overall, i expect they'll all be about the same unless one of them makes some unbelievable gaffe that the other one can just hit over his head for 90 minutes in october.  Palin and Biden though....bring the popcorn.  i think it'll come across as part-SNL sketch, part-Baboon dominance fight.  As I overheard someone say recently: "It's like watching a monkey fuck a coconut: it's funny, but more than that, it's sad."
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2008, 09:50:53 PM »

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2008, 09:56:57 PM »
Yes!  The Couric "outtakes" are early.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2008, 10:09:25 PM »
That's not an outtake. That's the substance of her interviews. God.

"All of them! Any of them that I happen to see."

She can't even throw out bullshit like, "Oh, New York Times, USA Today, my local bumfuck paper, etc."

I think I'm more qualified than Palin. "Tyson, what, specifically, have you done to improve the economy?" "Well, I bought a Coke from a mom and pop store yesterday. And I support puppies and children. And rainbows. Rainbows are important for a good economy." "Oh! God! You're so much better than their last VP pick. Palin? What were they thinking? You're the best, Tyson!"

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2008, 10:24:58 PM »
There are more of those coming, too.  Couric said she'd release one tomorrow and another Thursday.

Palin's a nightmare.  We need to kill her.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2008, 01:50:18 PM »
I never thought I'd say this, but I really like Katie Couric.