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Debate, you knobs!
« on: September 26, 2008, 03:28:20 PM »
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The Presidential Debate Drinking Game

Originally posted at The Seminal.

Every time John McCain mentions his POW experience, praise his courage and drink a kamikaze. This one is only for the heavy drinkers.

Every time Obama says change everyone has to switch seats and drink the other person's drink of choice.

Every time John McCain tries to associate Barack Obama with an unsavory character, take a sip of your dirty martini.

Every time someone says bailout you have to finish your drink and pour another.

Every time John McCain says "my friends", spit out your drink and shout "I am not your friend" at the television.

Every time "evil", "evil doers", or anything with evil is mentioned, drink a sip of French red wine.

Every time John McCain threatens Iran, drink a savage car bomb or cherry bomb.

Every time Barack Obama ties John McCain to George W. Bush, drink a sloe gin fizz and wish for better days.

Every time John McCain displays how hopelessly out of touch he is, drink an old bastard.

Every time John McCain refers to the USSR or any other non-existent formerly communist country, get ready to ride the red tide.

When Georgia is mentioned, drink a fuzzy navel.

Every time John McCain mentions Sarah Palin, drink a white russian. After all, if Sarah Palin is around there must be a Russian nearby somewhere.

Every time John McCain smiles creepily, drink a roofie-colada.

If anyone mentions a golden parachute, pound some goldschlager.

Every time John McCain makes an appeal to states rights, lean back and take a sip of that sweet southern comfort.

When NATO membership is mentioned, clink glasses with everyone around you and attack anyone who refuses to clink.

If John McCain doesn't show up, lock yourself inside and sip Jack Daniels all night. It is going to be a long six weeks.

Regardless of what either candidate says, at the end of the debate, drink something that must be lit on fire first then hit yourself in the face with a shovel.
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 03:46:04 PM »
Sounds like you'll need to call an ambulance ahead of time because you'll be comatose by the first commercial break.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 03:50:35 PM »
Change is coming to my liver!  Change is coming, my friends!  Change is COMING!  CHANGE IS COMING!
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 11:26:30 PM »
This debate fucking sucks and Obama has caved like a deck of cards to a lying, snickering old man.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2008, 11:40:05 PM »
Oh god, seriously?

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2008, 11:42:34 PM »
i only caught the very last bits, but:

a) McCain was overreaching
b) Obama was playing along and meeting McCain in his bizzaro territory.

I think mccain will get sufficiently shredded in mainstream media.  What's the end result?  Dunno.
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 12:17:33 AM »
these are all bullshit ("uncommitted voters" being an odd sample, and it gets quirkier from there)

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CBS News and Knowledge Networks conducted a nationally representative poll of approximately 500 uncommitted voters reacting to the debate in the minutes after it happened.

These figures are still preliminary and could change as more respondents complete the survey. But here's what we have so far:

Forty percent of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. Twenty-two percent thought John McCain won. Thirty-eight percent saw it as a draw.

Forty-six percent of uncommitted voters said their opinion of Obama got better tonight.

Sixty-eight percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-one percent think McCain would.

Forty-nine percent of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. Fifty-five percent think McCain would.

We will have a full report on the poll later on. Uncommitted voters are those who don't yet know who they will vote for, or who have chosen a candidate but may still change their minds.
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2008, 12:22:12 AM »
Yeah, sounds like it wasn't quite the savage murder of McCain we had hoped for, but Obama still edged him out by acting like a President and not a geriatric lunatic who got twice his dose of pep pills that morning.

And remember, this was supposed to be McCain's strongest debate.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2008, 12:41:48 AM »
He kept agreeing with McCain and saying he was right. No he's not; he's a liar.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 02:40:50 AM »
I love how people are now pointing to Obama saying "John is right" nine times as if it were a blanket endorsement that everything he said tonight is right. 

He agreed with the guy on several points... I don't see what the big deal is.  I REALLY don't see what the big deal is considering that both candidates have been preaching a message of bipartisanism and "reaching across the aisle".  Isn't part of "reaching across the aisle" acknowledging that some of their opponent's ideas have some merit?  Isn't part of it finding common ground?  Seems to me that, once again, this is an instance where Obama was attempting to take the high road.

McCain clearly took control of some of the foreign policy questions with regard to the military and I was surprised at how together he appeared on TV tonight.  I fully expected Obama to roast McCain on a spit during this debate, but that never seemed to happen.  I enjoyed the debate and was glad to see that it wasn't just two guys tactfully dodging questions with non sequitur answers, although it appeared to be going that way at the beginning when things were focused on the bailout.

I don't think either party will be able to argue that their candidate was a clear winner even though both will try.  The Republicans will most likely focus on the instances where Obama said McCain was right as evidence that McCain won and the Democrats will focus on the instances where Obama clearly called McCain out on being wrong about anything ranging from the Iraq war to his tax cuts.

I was really disappointed that neither candidate seemed to answer Jim's question early on about how the bailout plan is going to affect their presidency, specifically wanting to know which of their plans may have to be cut or curtailed in light of all of it.  Neither candidate seemed willing to commit to point a finger at any programs that might be on the chopping block even though Lehrer asked the question like 4 times, each time getting more and more agitated with both of them.

Both McCain and Obama were very polished tonight.  Obama looked cooler, calmer and more collected than any candidate I've ever watched in a presidential debate and he was very concise with his answers.  McCain surprised me and really called Obama out on his lack of experience and, I think, made some compelling arguments that may come back to haunt Obama in the coming weeks.

Judging by the "audience reaction meter", whatever the fuck that is, Obama had a clear edge.  We watched the fuck out of that thing and it was pretty interesting.  The Dem and Independent lines seemed to hug each other most of the debate, only separating when the blue line would go wildly to the top when Obama was making certain points or when the blue dipped way down as McCain was speaking.  Rarely, if ever, did the independent line go up with the Republican line if the Democrat line did not... at least that was my impression.  The Republican line moved fairly predictably except for a couple instances during some of the Iraq questioning when it moved slightly above center as Obama was speaking.  I was surprised to see it move anywhere above center when he spoke, so that was kind of cool. 

My prediction is that McCain might get a slight bump in the polls because of this debate just because he seemed way more together and organized than his campaign has appeared over the last few weeks.  I mean, the last few days in particular, I've been wondering if McCain even has any idea what's going on.  Plus, I think Obama really kept the gloves on for most of the debate... there were a couple of pot shots here and there, but he really didn't let McCain have it like I thought he was going to.  I think in the next debate, Obama is really going to have to crucify McCain on some of these issues in order to win.  As much as I'd like to see him keep trying to take the high road, if he wants to win, he's going to have to get dirty.
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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 09:55:03 AM »
Thanks, Nubbs.  We missed the debate because we drank rum for 14 hours and then god punished us... And I can't find it to download anywhere!  But I will, eventually.

I really wanted McCain to get trounced... But I guess he's been sleeping for 40 days to get up the energy to do this.

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 11:33:44 AM »
Watching it now... And I think Obama said McCain was right nine times because McCain repeated whatever Obama said.

So:  Obama says something.  McCain says the same thing.  Obama goes...uh...yeah.

I was disgusted that McCain started with the Ted Kennedy thing.  His first fucking words were an insane attempt to derail.

Fuck... Only half an hour in, but I think it goes to McCain so far.  Not because of his answers...because of the way he answers.  The simplified, fourth-grade nostalgic heartstrings.  The "I've been around a while," the calling on the nobility and honor of Eisenhower (jesus, did he and Lehrer get together before the debate?).  all of that shit puts stars in people's eyes. 

Obama came across as the college kid who's too smart and slick for his own good.  And flustered when Lehrer interrupted early on.  ("Talk to McCain!  I'm trying to get you two to talk!"  What the fuck?)

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2008, 09:36:35 PM »
The polls are giving the tip of the hat to Obama:

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Who did the best job tonight?
Barack: 51
McCain: 38

Who would better handle Iraq?
Barack: 52
McCain: 47

Who would better handle the economy?
Barack: 58
McCain: 37

(CNN's poll, anyways)

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Re: Debate, you knobs!
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2008, 11:24:52 PM »
Also, I liked it when Obama brought up the story of his father emigrating to the United States and how much the world's opinion of us has changed since that time.  I think it is going to be important over the next few years to try and fix the world's opinion of us.  McCain doesn't give me the impression that it would be any kind of priority in his administration.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2008, 09:37:21 PM »
Also, I liked it when Obama brought up the story of his father emigrating to the United States and how much the world's opinion of us has changed since that time.  I think it is going to be important over the next few years to try and fix the world's opinion of us.  McCain doesn't give me the impression that it would be any kind of priority in his administration.

I agree it's important but it's hard to make the opinion of non-voters a high political priority.  Might be better sold as improving our integrity, our good old American standards of truth, justice, and the American way.  Don't sell tearing down Guantanamo as improving foreign relations (giving into them damned tricky darkies) -- sell it as improving and restoring America.  Create some nice emotional issues out of it, some emotional counter-pull for all the conservative's weepy "value" issues.
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