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If McCain wins, what are you going to do?

Go live with Monkey in Paris
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Continue to bitch for four years
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Stop voting/participating
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Stop paying taxes/protest
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Fly a plane into the White House.
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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #315 on: October 30, 2008, 07:48:12 AM »
And here is one of my favorite letters of early American history, published in a major newspaper at the time:

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

Quote from: Honest Abe
Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.

I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable [sic] in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.

Let's also discuss how I'm convinced Lincoln was a drunk.

Mary Todd having convulsions and screaming at imaginary people in the background, candle guttering, fiercely scratching away at bourbon soaked paper, ignored bad news from Bull Run sitting on the desk, military attaches nervously hovering outside in the hallway...

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #316 on: October 30, 2008, 09:18:24 PM »
Correction, Lincoln was one hell of a functional drunk.
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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #317 on: October 31, 2008, 09:19:25 PM »

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #318 on: November 01, 2008, 03:57:15 PM »
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Palin: Ok, we're confident that we're going to win on Tuesday so from there, those first 100 days, how we're going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars...

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/sarah-palin-talks-about-first-100-days-

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #319 on: November 01, 2008, 09:09:10 PM »
wow.  just wow. 
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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #320 on: November 01, 2008, 09:12:22 PM »
What is it with the right wingers who think that we're at war with Iran?  Man, a vote for McCain is a vote to extend the war, because that's obviously what they want.

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #321 on: November 05, 2008, 02:37:46 AM »
My translation is more what I imagine the most intractable members of the audience hearing.  I'm not trying to put words in McCain's mouth, but I wish McCain and his speechwriters had done a much better job, for the country's sake. 

I've quoted McCain's entire consession speech, as found here:
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/11/04/text-of-senator-john-mccains-concession-speech/

Quote from: McCain's concession speech
Thank you. Thank you, my friends. Thank you for coming here on this beautiful Arizona evening.

My friends, we have — we have come to the end of a long journey. The American people have spoken, and they have spoken clearly.

A little while ago, I had the honor of calling Sen. Barack Obama to congratulate him. To congratulate him on being elected the next president of the country that we both love.

In a contest as long and difficult as this campaign has been, his success alone commands my respect for his ability and perseverance. But that he managed to do so by inspiring the hopes of so many millions of Americans who had once wrongly believed that they had little at stake or little influence in the election of an American president is something I deeply admire and commend him for achieving.
translation: He won; I lost; I admire winners.  Really, though, he only won by reaching nonvoters.  You know, people who'd previously been derelict in their democratic duty and we all know who those people are.

I'm going to give him backhanded, divisive complements now to rankle my base.

Quote from: McCain's concession speech
This is an historic election, and I recognize the special significance it has for African-Americans and for the special pride that must be theirs tonight.
That's right, Black people!  For my angriest fans, this election was all about race.  I'm going to keep talking about black people for a while, to piss them off and rub salt in my supportors' freshest wounds.

Quote from: McCain's concession speech
I’ve always believed that America offers opportunities to all who have the industry and will to seize it. Sen. Obama believes that, too.

But we both recognize that, though we have come a long way from the old injustices that once stained our nation’s reputation and denied some Americans the full blessings of American citizenship, the memory of them still had the power to wound.

A century ago, President Theodore Roosevelt’s invitation of Booker T. Washington to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage in many quarters.

America today is a world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. There is no better evidence of this than the election of an African-American to the presidency of the United States.

Translation: You fuckers let me lose to a black person.  And that's the only thing worth talking about tonight.

Quote from: McCain's concession speech
Let there be no reason now for any American to fail to cherish their citizenship in this, the greatest nation on Earth.

Please, no one let Danny Glover read "America has never been America to me" by Langston Hughes at another rally.  It's invalid and outdated now. 


Quote from: McCain's concession speech
Sen. Obama has achieved a great thing for himself and for his country. I applaud him for it, and offer him my sincere sympathy that his beloved grandmother did not live to see this day. Though our faith assures us she is at rest in the presence of her creator and so very proud of the good man she helped raise.

Oh, Obama, in case you were too busy being happy, remember: your grandma died.  I figured that was really important to mention in my concession speech.  Maybe that's why you won, the sympathy vote.

Quote from: McCain's concession speech
Sen. Obama and I have had and argued our differences, and he has prevailed. No doubt many of those differences remain.

These are difficult times for our country. And I pledge to him tonight to do all in my power to help him lead us through the many challenges we face.

I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherited.

Whatever our differences, we are fellow Americans. And please believe me when I say no association has ever meant more to me than that.

Wait, what differences would we have with the winners?  Oh, I bet you'll only hear "black black black black" for the rest of the night.  It's the only demographic I've described tonight, because I know so much about it and Obama's grandma!

Quote from: McCain's concession speech
It is natural. It’s natural, tonight, to feel some disappointment. But tomorrow, we must move beyond it and work together to get our country moving again.

We fought — we fought as hard as we could. And though we fell short, the failure is mine, not yours.

I am so deeply grateful to all of you for the great honor of your support and for all you have done for me. I wish the outcome had been different, my friends.

The road was a difficult one from the outset, but your support and friendship never wavered. I cannot adequately express how deeply indebted I am to you.

I’m especially grateful to my wife, Cindy, my children, my dear mother and all my family, and to the many old and dear friends who have stood by my side through the many ups and downs of this long campaign.

I have always been a fortunate man, and never more so for the love and encouragement you have given me.

You know, campaigns are often harder on a candidate’s family than on the candidate, and that’s been true in this campaign.

All I can offer in compensation is my love and gratitude and the promise of more peaceful years ahead.

I am also — I am also, of course, very thankful to Gov. Sarah Palin, one of the best campaigners I’ve ever seen, and an impressive new voice in our party for reform and the principles that have always been our greatest strength, her husband Todd and their five beautiful children for their tireless dedication to our cause, and the courage and grace they showed in the rough and tumble of a presidential campaign.

We can all look forward with great interest to her future service to Alaska, the Republican Party and our country.

To all my campaign comrades, from Rick Davis and Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter, to every last volunteer who fought so hard and valiantly, month after month, in what at times seemed to be the most challenged campaign in modern times, thank you so much. A lost election will never mean more to me than the privilege of your faith and friendship.

I don’t know — I don’t know what more we could have done to try to win this election. I’ll leave that to others to determine. Every candidate makes mistakes, and I’m sure I made my share of them. But I won’t spend a moment of the future regretting what might have been.

This campaign was and will remain the great honor of my life, and my heart is filled with nothing but gratitude for the experience and to the American people for giving me a fair hearing before deciding that Sen. Obama and my old friend Sen. Joe Biden should have the honor of leading us for the next four years.

I would not — I would not be an American worthy of the name should I regret a fate that has allowed me the extraordinary privilege of serving this country for a half a century.

Today, I was a candidate for the highest office in the country I love so much. And tonight, I remain her servant. That is blessing enough for anyone, and I thank the people of Arizona for it.

Tonight — tonight, more than any night, I hold in my heart nothing but love for this country and for all its citizens, whether they supported me or Sen. Obama — whether they supported me or Sen. Obama.
Seriously, I love black people *and* white people.  I'll keep saying it again.  I'm totally cool with all those darkie lovers, and his VP Biden is an old friend of mine.

Quote from: McCain's concession speech
I wish Godspeed to the man who was my former opponent and will be my president. And I call on all Americans, as I have often in this campaign, to not despair of our present difficulties, but to believe, always, in the promise and greatness of America, because nothing is inevitable here.

Americans never quit. We never surrender.

We never hide from history. We make history.
And the only historical things that I've mentioned tonight are:
1) I lost
2) to a black man.

Quote from: McCain's concession speech
Thank you, and God bless you, and God bless America. Thank you all very much.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

-Colin Powell

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #322 on: November 05, 2008, 02:58:30 AM »
I actually thought it was a surprisingly nice speech.

His supporters are insane, though.

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #323 on: November 05, 2008, 03:03:07 AM »
Okay, what the hell right or purpose did he have in harping on blackness and mentioning the opponent's dead relative?  Really? 
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #324 on: November 05, 2008, 09:44:14 AM »
I thought McCain's concession speech was very good. In some ways, it was more emotional than Obama's for me.

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #325 on: November 05, 2008, 09:57:49 AM »
Okay, what the hell right or purpose did he have in harping on blackness and mentioning the opponent's dead relative?  Really? 

Does the same objection work for Obama?  Because he did that as well.

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #326 on: November 05, 2008, 12:13:29 PM »
Well, he is black and so is his dead relative.

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #327 on: November 05, 2008, 12:15:08 PM »
Okay, what the hell right or purpose did he have in harping on blackness and mentioning the opponent's dead relative?  Really? 

Does the same objection work for Obama?  Because he did that as well.

No, no, really, it doesn't.  Because they're issues which are close and personal to Obama.  I see the grandmother issue as akin to gratuitously bringing up Cheney's gay daughter.  Highlighting Obama's blackness diminished the rest of the history of the event, and I don't remember race being such a dominating and positive issue for McCain's campaign.  To switch focus now sounded disingenuous, and spiteful to me.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #328 on: November 05, 2008, 12:29:58 PM »
That's a bit paranoid, I think.  Everyone else heard a nice speech.

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Re: McCain/Some chick from Canada 08: Folding Under Pressure
« Reply #329 on: November 05, 2008, 12:45:55 PM »
I might agree, fajwat, if McCain were a younger man with future chances to run for the presidency.  Considering that this was probably his last moment of ambition, I'm willing to bet that the concession speech was a rare moment of McCain actually saying what he thought and speaking kindly.  I saw nothing wrong with it.  And it was fine to bring up the grandmother because she's the reason Obama is where he is and it's a huge loss. 

It was all overshadowed by the booing, hissing, embittered crowd of sore loser Nazis who even seemed to worry McCain.  That might be why you're picking up the evil undertones.