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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2007, 01:34:26 AM »
The behind the scenes episode rocks... They've got the South African botanist or whatever who pulls a cobra out of the weaver nest, kind of fumbles him around, looks at the camera and says, "So I won't hold him for long because I've had a few beers tonight."

Har har.

So then he puts the cobra on the camera and it fucking freaks out on the lens.  "Oh...you'd better wash your lens, it's got venom on it now."

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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2007, 12:32:33 PM »
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How Bear Grylls the Born Survivor roughed it - in hotels
By TOM KELLY and SAM GREENHILL

To viewers of his TV series, Bear Grylls is the daredevil adventurer who catapults himself into world's worst 'hellholes' and then survives on his wits alone.

But it has emerged that far from roughing it in brutal environments, the former SAS man actually spent nights in hotels during filming of his Channel 4 show.

The Eton- educated 33-year- old is also alleged to have choreographed parts of Born Survivor, with many of his spectacular stunts carefully set up by the production crew.

Channel 4 last night began an investigation into the claims, which follow a number of embarrassing incidents in which programmes screened by the station were found to have misled the public.

Grylls's show attracted 1.4million viewers when it was shown in March and April, with audiences enthralled as he demonstrated gruesome survival tips that included sucking the fluid from fish eyeballs and squeezing water from animal dung.

But an adviser to Born Survivor yesterday claimed that many of his other escapades were not exactly as they seemed on TV.

In one episode filmed in California's Sierra Nevada mountains he was shown biting off the head of a snake for breakfast and boasting that he was living on 'just a water bottle, a cup and a flint for making fire'.

Viewers were not told that he was actually spending some nights in the Pines Resort hotel at Bass Lake, where the rooms have Internet access and is advertised as 'a cosy getaway for families' complete with blueberry pancakes for breakfast.

In another episode when Grylls declared he was a 'real life Robinson Crusoe' stuck on a desert island, he was actually on an outlying part of the Hawaiian archipelago and retired to a motel at nightfall.

Mark Weinert, a survival consultant brought in for the programme, said one show also wrongly gave the impression that the adventurer built a Polynesian- style raft using only materials around him, including bamboo and palm leaves for a sail.

Mr Weinert had in fact led a team that built the raft, which was then dismantled so that Grylls could be shown constructing it on camera.

In another episode, Grylls was filmed attempting to lasso 'wild' mustang in the Sierra Nevada, when the horses were actually tame and had been brought in by trailer from a nearby trekking station.

'If you really believe everything happens the way it is shown on TV, you are being a little bit naive,' Mr Weinert told the Sunday Times.

Channel 4 confirmed that Grylls had used hotels during expeditions and ordered the production company that made the programme to investigate the other claims.

A spokesman said: 'We take any allegations of misleading our audiences seriously.

'Bear does do all his own stunts and does put himself in perilous situations.

'But Born Survivor is not an observational documentary series but a "how to" guide to basic survival techniques in extreme environments. The programme explicitly does not claim that presenter Bear Grylls's experience is one of unaided solo survival.'

Grylls had earlier told how Channel 4 bosses had pitched the series to him, saying: 'We just drop you into a lot of different hellholes equipped with nothing, and you do what you have to do to survive.'

Last week Channel 4 had to apologise after it emerged that when Gordon Ramsay was shown appearing to spear a sea bass off the English coast for an episode of The F Word, the scene had been faked.

This month, the operators of the Richard & Judy premium rate TV quiz were hit with a record fine of 150,000 for a phone-in scandal.

Viewers had been urged to call in to the competition even though the shortlist of winners was closed.


hahahahahaha... what a douche: Bear Grylls is a phony

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Latest TV fake scenes: 'Grizzly attack' on survival show was man in fancy-dress bear costume
By JAMES TAPPER

To the viewers, it was the moment TV adventurer Bear Grylls narrowly escaped the attentions of a hungry wild bear.

Yet it seems he was not in quite as much danger as those watching might have thought.

Grylls was menaced by nothing more threatening than a colleague in a fancy-dress bear costume, according to a survival expert present at the filming.

Grylls, whose daredevil antics have entranced viewers of his Channel 4 series Born Survivor, had filmed a sequence for another show in which his makeshift camp seemed to be invaded by a grizzly bear in the middle of the night.

Apparently in great danger, he bravely filmed a black shape rustling around the embers of his campfire, before telling viewers of the dangers of wild bears and fleeing the camp.

Yet survival expert Ron Hood has claimed the black shape seen in the show was not a man-eating grizzly but actually a colleague in a costume.

The Discovery Channel, which aired the show, insisted that the pantomime bear outfit was hired "as a prank" by the crew and no footage which included the bear costume was broadcast.

But the programme does include a shot of a dark black shape, rustling in the camp a few feet away - something Discovery was unable to explain.

Mr Hood, who was hired by producers Diverse TV as an adviser for the show, said the makers originally tried to hire a tame bear, but asked him to find a fancy-dress costume when the plan fell through.

And while viewers are led to believe the 'bear' incident is spontaneous, the scene was scripted long in advance. The Mail on Sunday has obtained a script in which the scene is headlined 'Grizzly Attacks Camp'.

The stunt was filmed for Grylls's Discovery Channel series Man Vs Wild, broadcast last October, in which the Eton-educated former SAS Territorial Army soldier is parachuted into remote regions to survive off the land for five days.

Some episodes were also broadcast on Channel 4 as Bear Grylls: Born Survivor, but not the one featuring the bear incident, which was set in the Rocky Mountains.

Channel 4 began an investigation last week after it emerged that Grylls does not sleep rough in the woods, as is claimed in the show, but instead stays in hotels.

The Rocky Mountain programme features several scenes which Discovery admitted were "not natural to the environment".

They included scenes where Grylls apparently killed a snake and ate it (the snake was found dead by the side of the road), cooked a dead badger (actually a steak inside a badger skin), and freed himself when his parachute tangled in a tree (he was pulled up into the tree and wore a safety harness).

But the bear scene was the show's moment of high drama.

Grylls sets up viewers' anticipation by explaining how he has pitched camp, building a shelter in an area of forest packed with grizzly bears a species, he makes clear, which is known to attack and kill humans.

The next scene shows Grylls - whose real first name is Edward - hiding in his shelter, full of fear in the darkness, as he speaks into the mike of a hand-held camera.

"There's definitely something out here," he says.

"I just heard a really heavy footstep out there, and I don't know..."

There is rustling and scraping around the shelter.

"I don't like this at all. I don't like this," he says.

The tension builds as Grylls crawls out of his shelter and films a black shadow moving a few yards away. Back inside the shelter, Grylls says: "I haven't heard from it now for a few minutes. And it might well have just moved away, but sure as hell it knows I'm here. And it knows I've hidden food here.

"And I don't know a huge amount about bears but what I do know is that if they come into your camp and they see you there, you need to clear that camp, and fast."

He scurries out of his shelter, pulls on his pack and leaves.

Yet the only thing Grylls was in danger of, according to Mr Hood, was bumping into his film crew.

Mr Hood said the mysterious shape was actually a crew member wearing the bear suit.

"They decided they wanted to somehow dramatise the attack on Edward's shelter," Mr Hood said.

"They filmed the crew shaking the shelter to give the impression that the bear was coming in and then they put the bear's nose in through the side of the shelter which Edward filmed.

"Everyone thought it was all quite funny, but we spent all evening working on it. They were quite serious about it."

An early script shows how the producers conceived the scene, titled 'Scene 10 - Grizzly Attacks Camp'.

It gives directions: "Bear...wakes up in the middle of the night when he hears a loud noise. The camera watches him just as he wonders what the noise is. This will have to look like video diary hand-held.

"The camera peeks out of the shelter and in the darkness we see a movement in the bushes, a roar and somethying (sic) rip the food bagh [sic] from the tree. The pictures will be treated to look like night vision."

Most of the footage was not used, but the sounds of shuffling in the woods was the film crew, Mr Hood said, and the dark black shape was the crew member in the bear outfit.

Last week it was revealed that episodes of Born Survivor screened on Channel 4 included faked or set-up scenes. One showed Grylls making his own raft while stuck on a desert island.

In fact it was built by a team led by a survival expert, and the island was in Hawaii - within close reach of a motel.

A spokesman for Discovery said: "The pranks that were filmed were just that, they were never intended for air, nor did they make the final cut.

"Essential health and safety precautions and incidents which were not natural to the environment will in future be completely transparent, with all elements of the filming being explained to viewers.

"This will also apply to repeated programmes which will be re-cut and include a disclaimer at the beginning."

Bear running from a pantomime bear pretending to be a real bear in bear country with Bear
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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2007, 01:09:07 PM »
Oh, we knew all this.  I don't know why the surprise... He's traveling around with a camera team!  He can say "they don't help" as many times as he wants to, they're still there -- with equipment and supplies.  And even though Bear may do dangerous things, the $150,000+ worth of equipment and manpower cannot do anything daring.  And that includes being exposed to the elements for three days or whatever.   Even if Bear were on the level, he'd have to tiptoe around just to cater to the cameras following him. 

Look at how much trouble Les has with his cameras.  You need a supply-line for the type of things Bear is doing.

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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2007, 02:50:42 PM »
My problem with Bear goes beyond the fact that he's not really "roughing" or "surviving" anything and that his show is completely scripted... there are times when he is giving advice that, even as uninformed as I am, I know he's completely full of shit.  Jump into a freezing river fully clothed with a backpack on so that you can float downstream quickly instead of walking?  Come on... who would follow this advice?  He even goes so far as to cram his coat into the backpack and say that the only thing keeping him afloat is his jacket and some plastic... then it is plainly seen that he's got a lifejacket on under his sweatshirt.  Not only is it phony, but it's misleading and should someone attempt that in a survival situation, they would almost certainly drown or fall victim to hypothermia.
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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2007, 02:59:19 PM »
It's strange, really.  I don't know why Bear bothers to make it a "how you can survive" show when it should just be about him doing crazy things.

Like his French Legion show -- it's just him going through the FFL's boot camp.

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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2007, 04:12:55 PM »
Yeah, and at least 30% of the shows I've watched feature Bear biting into live animals like he needs food so badly he just can't wait and just has to tear them to pieces.

I realize that probably a lot of Les's stuff is either staged or helped along with various off-camera aides, but at least his show has a ring of authenticity to it.  Ultimately with anything being edited in a studio, there is room for exaggeration or falsification, but I'll take the Survivorman variety over Bear Grylls any day.
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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2007, 05:05:23 PM »
The behind the scenes episode that ends each Survivorman season is very open about discussing the ins and outs, too.  Les doesn't hide anything.

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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2008, 11:23:52 AM »
Yay!  Survivorman season 3 starts November 7th.

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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2008, 07:16:41 PM »
Looks like this is the last season.

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Les Stroud, better known as TV adventurer "Survivorman," was chased by a jaguar, nearly dropped dead due to heatstroke and spent a sleepless night among lions. But now, he's tired of it all and ending his popular series about living in the wild.

Stroud is the Canadian host of the TV show "Survivorman" on the Science Channel in which he spends a week alone in the wild with little or no food and water or equipment, filming himself as he battles to survive in harsh environments.

But Stroud, 47, said he is filming his final adventure in the wild in Papua New Guinea this month which would wrap up his third and last series as Survivorman, although he expected the nickname would stick with him as he moved onto other projects.


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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2008, 05:59:09 PM »
Good.  I hope he does more Off the Grid stuff.  That was an awesome show.

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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2008, 02:32:23 PM »
I hope he hunts down Bear Grylls and they have a knife fight in the Pacific Northwest.
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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2008, 02:33:47 PM »
You mean in the lobby of a Hilton?

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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2008, 02:41:05 PM »
Oh yes, that's right!  Les will approach just as Bear, with a southern accent, orders the continental breakfast in the lounge.
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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2008, 11:09:41 AM »
The new season of Survivorman is strangely unwatchable.  He's going more for the Man vs Wild sensationalist stuff.  But then...what if...the world caught on fire and was crushed by a giant space creature!  WHAT THEN!  COULD YOU SURVIVE?!?!?!

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Re: Bear v. Les
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2008, 04:09:58 PM »
So this last episode when Les was in the Outback.  It looks like he is just phoning in this stuff now.  The "hard to find grubs" that were apparently in every tree.  Or the best when at the end he just blatantly admitts that he has been giving his "rescue team" GPS cordinates every 10 minutes.

Admittedly the one match into two thing was kind of neat.