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RC's Paranoia Thread
« on: February 13, 2007, 08:44:02 AM »
So RC has this huge thing about the American Empire, though he ignored this thread:
http://www.greatsociety.org/forums/index.php?topic=2466.0

I've been spending my evenings listening to shit from the Teaching Series, which is strangely addictive, and the lesson on Cato from the Famous Romans segment was on mark.

Cato was the fierce Republican who led the initial resistance against Caesar, seeing the latter as a threat as soon as he appeared victorious in Gaul.  Cato worked hard to shut Caesar down, declaring him a war criminal.  Once Caesar marched on Rome, Cato and the other Republicans opposed to Caesar absconded and the little civil war started.

The segment expertly details the motivations and beliefs of Cato, and the whole problem with Caesar, and ends with an interesting topical note -- the choice placed before the people.  Side with the Republic, or side with Caesar.  That year's-long drunken conversation I've been having with RC.

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Re: RC's Paranoia Thread
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2007, 09:21:30 AM »
Brutus gets the Judas treatment in the history books.  We don't really understand what went on.  But Brutus was left to struggle with his own pseudo-Catonion values.  In the process, he ended up going down in history -- even with our republican founding fathers -- as the impotent killer of Caesar.  Even as the tyrant dies, he is immortalized with his famous last words.

Brutus always pissed me off because he struck at the wrong time.  Caesar was planning to leave Rome on an extended war, which would have changed the face of the world and would have removed Caesar's supporters for years.  And that includes Antony (in the civil war, Caesar could afford to leave Antony behind to run things in Rome).  A full-on campaign in the east would have required Antony.  If they had let Caesar go off on his mission, they could have easily re-established republican rule.  Caesar, even if alive, would have lost face.  Fail in the eastern campaign, or lose Rome.

As a result of the assassination, the killers were unable to pull themselves together.  They chose not to kill Antony on the same day, which was a huge mistake.  Antony was Caesar's brutal dog, barely tied down.  Without Caesar, he went nuts.  The dark horse was Octavian...but not really.  The Julii had all of Caesar's money, and were burning for vengeance.  So while Octavian was a surprise, it's no surprise that someone from the Julii would come out swinging.  And all the pampered senators had no idea how to deal with that shitstorm. They weren't fighters, they were politicians.  Yet they started a war and then failed to unite out of fear, shame, or god knows what.

Where Cato is about making the noble choice between republic and empire, Brutus is the lesson about the face of a republic with hubris.

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Re: RC's Paranoia Thread
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2007, 09:50:57 AM »
As an aside --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato%27s_Letters

Apparently The Cato Institute ("Libertarian" conservative) think tank is named after Cato's Letters which is named after the Cato in this thread.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

-Colin Powell

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Re: RC's Paranoia Thread
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 12:56:26 AM »
Who is named after one of my former girlfriendseses cats!

Oh, no...

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Re: RC's Paranoia Thread
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 01:11:54 PM »
I'm not really sure what joke you're trying to make here.... your ex's cat is hundreds of years old?
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: RC's Paranoia Thread
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 01:36:20 PM »
Two thousand, actually.

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Re: RC's Paranoia Thread
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 02:46:40 PM »
2nd hand cat?  Or was she cradle robbing?
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

-Colin Powell