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I can't believe he said that!
« on: December 15, 2006, 03:30:15 PM »
Every year, when election time comes around, people will get in arguments about the candidates, even though they only remember the last five minutes of their lives.  So I'll say -- remember back a year ago when such and such said that, if he were elected, he planned to eat baby brains on the national news?  And everyone will go:  Nacho lies!  Nacho is a moron!  And, of course, I won't be able to -- or care enough to -- find proof.

So here we go.  Let's start to cut and paste gaffes and all sorts of scary shit from all of the candidates in this thread so, in the summer of 08, when, say, McCain walks around saying he loves the universe and, because, by then, Iraq will be a horror-show that every candidate speaks against, we'll be able to come back here and get:


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McCain: Deploy more troops to Iraq
By THOMAS WAGNER, Associated Press Writer
Thu Dec 14, 10:03 AM ET

Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) said Thursday that America should deploy 15,000 to 30,000 more troops to Iraq to control its sectarian violence, and give moderate Iraqi politicians the stability they need to take the country in the right direction.

McCain made the remarks to reporters in Baghdad, where he and five other members of Congress were meeting with U.S. and Iraqi officials.

"The American people are disappointed and frustrated with the Iraq war, but they want us to succeed if there's any way to do that," McCain, a possible 2008 presidential candidate, said at a news conference at the U.S. Embassy in Iraq's heavily fortified Green Zone.

The Arizona Republican said five to 10 more brigades of U.S. combat soldiers must be sent to Iraq. Brigades vary in size but generally include about 3,000 troops, meaning he was recommending 15,000 to 30,000 additional forces.

Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record) said the delegation had met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, and urged him to break his ties with anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and disarm his Mahdi Army militia.

Al-Sadr controls 30 of the 275 parliament seats and is a key figure in al-Maliki's coalition.

Currently, the U.S. military has about 140,000 troops in Iraq, and President Bush is considering a change of strategy in the country, including Baghdad, where stepped-up efforts to curtail sectarian violence failed this summer. The current U.S. force includes about 15 combat brigades made up of 50,000-60,000 soldiers, the U.S. military said Thursday.

McCain has joined other legislators and military analysts in saying that Bush sent far too few American troops to Iraq after the coalition toppled Saddam Hussein in March 2003, leading to widespread violence at the hands of Sunni Arab insurgent groups and Shiite militias.

But McCain said U.S. military commanders in Iraq had not asked the delegation for more U.S. troops, and one of the senators traveling with him didn't seem to accept his argument.

"Iraq is in crisis. The rising sectarian violence threatens the very existence of Iraq as a nation," said Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), a Republican from Maine. The current U.S. strategy in Iraq has failed, but "I'm not yet convinced that additional troops will pave the way to a peaceful Iraq in a lasting sense," she said.

"My fear is that if we have more troops sent to Iraq that we will just see more injuries and deaths, that we might have a short-term impact, but without a long-term political settlement," Collins said.

Gunmen in military uniforms kidnapped dozens of people Thursday from a commercial area in central Baghdad, police said, and a car bomb killed two policemen who were trying to defuse it in Baghdad's Sadr City section, where officers were on high alert after receiving tips that militants were moving more bombs into the Shiite slum.

McCain said he realizes that only about 15 percent to 18 percent of Americans favor deploying more U.S. troops to Iraq, and that if such a move proved unsuccessful in the unpopular war it could hurt his presidential ambitions.

But the Vietnam War veteran also said that Americans must realize that if U.S. troops leave Iraq in a state of chaos, insurgent groups such as al-Qaida in Iraq "will follow us home."

Lieberman said the U.S. delegation left its meetings with al-Maliki, President Jalal Talabani and other Iraqi officials believing "there is a force of moderates within the context of Iraqi politics coming together to strengthen the center here against the extremists."

"We need more, not less, U.S. troops here" to improve Iraq's security, he said.

Lieberman said the U.S. delegation was "quite explicit" about "how important it is that the Iraqis themselves begin to take aggressive action to disarm the militias, to stop the sectarian violence and to involve all the people in country to governance," including promised provincial elections.

Last month, Lieberman won re-election to the U.S. Senate as an independent after losing the Democratic primary in his state of Connecticut in part because he supports the Iraq war.

The delegation also included Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, John Thune of South Dakota, and Republican Rep. Mark Kirk (news, bio, voting record) of Illinois.

The Congress members were scheduled to travel on Thursday to Iraq's southern port city of Basra and to Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, a dangerous area where many insurgent groups are fighting U.S. and Iraqi forces.

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Re: I can't believe he said that!
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 08:19:08 PM »
i can't read any of those articles.  the mere thought of suggesting that has tripped some failsafe and shut off the portion of my brain which was capable of considering anything other than pulling out.
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Re: I can't believe he said that!
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2006, 09:05:35 AM »
And something else to hold in reserve...



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Clinton Hires Evangelical Consultant for Presidential Campaign
An “evangelical consultant” has been hired by Hillary Clinton to help attract Christian conservatives in her likely 2008 presidential campaign.
by Anne Thomas
Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2006, 9:45 (GMT)

An “evangelical consultant” has been hired by Hillary Clinton to help attract Christian conservatives in her likely 2008 presidential campaign.

More than one-quarter of the USA's voters identify themselves as evangelical, a voter bloc that has long been courted by Republicans.

In addition, a similar political operative has successfully aided Democratic candidates in several states in the midterm elections.

Clinton’s new hire is Burns Strider, an evangelical Christian who directs religious outreach for House Democrats and is the lead staffer for the Democrats’ Faith Working Group, headed by incoming Majority Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina.

Incoming Speaker Nancy Pelosi created the group last year when Democratic strategists observed that the party lost ground in the previous election in part because candidates failed to reach centrist and conservative voters in rural areas, who tend to be churchgoers concerned with moral issues, according to the Washington, D.C.-based publication The Hill.

Strider was an aide to Pelosi when the group was formed and joined Clyburn’s staff as policy director of the Democratic Caucus earlier this year, the paper reported.

"Observers of Clinton’s expressions of faith say religion has always been important to her, that she attended prayer group meetings while first lady, and that she joined a Senate prayer group shortly after winning election in 2000,” The Hill reports.

"Reporters anticipating Clinton’s ’08 presidential run wrongly discount her expressions of faith as cynical political maneuvering," the observers add.

Clinton is not the only potential Democratic candidate for the White House to launch efforts to appeal to religious voters.

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Re: I can't believe he said that!
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2006, 10:42:46 AM »
"Hi, I'm Burns Strider.  Yes, my parents did hate me from birth!"

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Re: I can't believe he said that!
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 09:12:44 AM »
http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/world/?content_id=5400 says the following.  I don't buy it for an instant, so not in the Edwards thread, but thought I should slip it in here till it's debunked. 


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In his speech, Edwards criticised the United States' previous indifference to the Iranian issue, saying they have not done enough to deal with the threat.

Hinting to possible military action, Edwards stressed that "in order to ensure Iran never gets nuclear weapons, all options must remain on table."

On the recent UN Security Council's resolution against Iran, Edwards said more serious political and economic steps should be taken. "Iran must know that the world won’t back down," he said.

Addressing the second Lebanon war , Edwards accused the Islamic Republic of having a significant role, saying Hizbullah was an instrument of Iran, and Iranian rockets were what made the organization's attack on Israel possible.

Edwards also discussed Syria's recent calls for peace with Israel, saying that "talk is cheap," and that Syria was not doing enough to prove it was serious.

The former senator also said that Syria has been a great source of destabilization in the area, from its support of Hizbullah and Hamas, to its relationship with Iran, and for this it should be held accountable.

After opening his speech with great praise for Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Edward's continued to express great appreciation for the Israeli people and the special bond between the two countries, saying it was "a bond that will never be broken."

On the three Israel Defense Force soldiers who are being held captive by Hizbullah in Lebanon and Palestinian terrorists in Gaza, Edwards said, "It is well past time for their return home."

He continued to say that Israel has made many concessions in order to advance peace, including the Disengagement plan, adding that despite Israel's willingness to return to negotiations, little has been seen on the Palestinian side.

Edwards also spoke against the Palestinian Authority, saying the Hamas government was no partner, and that Israel should make efforts to strengthen Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas against Hamas.

He also said the Palestinian government must know that foreign aid should not be take for granted, and that the US and Europe must do everything possible to make sure the money does not go to terrorists.

Until Israel has a real partner, according to Edwards, Israel has the right, and indeed the obligation to defend itself, and should be strengthened militarily, politically, and economically.

In a further display of support for Israel, Edwards went so far as to suggest that Israel should even be made a member of NATO, saying it was only natural that the organization would seen to include Israel next.

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Re: I can't believe he said that!
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2007, 09:51:57 AM »
Jews For Edwards (But Not Arabs) love him. Interesting. He must've made a significantly large donation at the temple. Or they're making a significantly large donation to him. Probably both.

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Re: I can't believe he said that!
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2007, 10:21:04 AM »
We haven't had a pro-Arab president since Roosevelt.