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Cassander:
Why can't the Dems get together some broad plan to unify them all besides the anti-bush one? get together a few centrist planks (cutting wasteful spending, boosting health insurance rates, creating jobs), tie it up in a nice "We represent individuals, not corporations" bow, and throw all their weight behind it? Why don't they steal a page from the winners' (republicans) playbook once in a while? Instead they keep clinging to this anti-GOP stance. And this is a stupid metaphor, but it's like when one person is watching another person play a video game, and the person playing just keeps failing over and over to clear a stage. So the person watching gets fed up and just starts saying, "let me try, I bet I can do it." They don't really have the confidence that they can do it, they're just tired of being bored and frustrated. Even if they followed my suggestion and threw together some easy-to-swallow broad-reaching approach it doesn't mean they have to follow it. They can switch it up as much as they want. But if they really want power, they're going to have to do some attractive lying like the republicans do. It's obvious that America just refuses to see the truth that the Bush administration's policies and actions have had a trickle-down effect (oo!) throughout almost all the official undertakings of our government. They just don't want to believe that one party could fuck things up that badly.
Seriously, though, couldn't some "Contract with America" approach work? It's all about marketing.
fajwat:
--- Quote from: Cassander on October 24, 2006, 09:50:24 PM ---Why can't the Dems...Instead they keep clinging to this anti-GOP stance.
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That's part of what made the interaction interesting. We were both anti-GOP but she didn't like me for it. The Dems have to win with a positive message/hope/vision/goal/etc. Heck, even just the action item of holding war crime hearings against current officials would be *something* to vote for, even though it'd really be an extended form of voting against.
--- Quote ---And this is a stupid metaphor, but it's like when one person is watching another person play a video game, and the person playing just keeps failing over and over to clear a stage. So the person watching gets fed up and just starts saying, "let me try, I bet I can do it." They don't really have the confidence that they can do it, they're just tired of being bored and frustrated.
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Shut up! That's not stupid; that's a great metaphor!
And the pages I'd like to see them steal from the GOP playbook are the ones about energizing your extreme radical members -- in this case, why not mobilize the atheists? Seriously. If hate politics are OK, let's just get all the atheists on board by claiming we'll tax all religious organizations like every other business -- starting with Pat Robertson's 700 Club. Then we can take "Under God" back out of the pledge of Allegience, legalize gay marriage (and call it Marriage)....
It'd take a couple of years but I think a working strategy could be built around mirror images of many GOP stances. But their stances lately have engaged their far-from-center freaks. I'm a far-from-center freak on the other side and I'm really fucking jealous of all the attention their freaks got.
Cassander:
i've got no stats, but I'd say a good percentage of atheists are already spiteful and tend to vote. Besides, you can't take the risk of alienating the blacks (baptist) and hispanics (catholics), when they're such a big part of your base.
fajwat:
A lot of those same religious blacks are very honest people who are pissed as hell at the hipocrisy of the megabig business "churches". And really, just taxing religions like any other business means that anything regular businesses can deduct is still deductible. That homeless shelter in the basement? Deduct it! It won't hurt all churches equally. Not by a long shot.
Cassander:
it wouldn't be the details of it that turned them off. Few churches have actually seen any faith-based initiative money, but plenty of Christians were just turned on by the idea.
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