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Re: Superhero Movies
« Reply #525 on: May 23, 2017, 06:39:37 PM »
Interesting on the technical notes. I never notice that stuff unless I'm totally disengaged which was definitely not the case for Logan.

I'll be interested in your final take.

Final take: It's a weird mess of a movie. Everyone fucking brings it...and they bring it hard. But it feels like it's the finale of a movie franchise from another dimension where we got all the superhero movies we actually wanted and deserved.

Geek info requests:

Is Adamantium poisoning new to the movie universe?

Why aren't there any mutants left?

Where are the other X-Men?

I'm wondering if the problem is that Logan is the first X-Men movie that demands a knowledge of the written universe, which I don't have...?

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Re: Superhero Movies
« Reply #526 on: May 23, 2017, 06:49:53 PM »

Geek info requests:

Is Adamantium poisoning new to the movie universe?

Yes.

Why aren't there any mutants left?

The movie never really explains that except to say that they may have just been an evolutionary blip.

Where are the other X-Men?

Dead, we assume. You got the part about how Xavier freaked out and killed everybody, right?

I'm wondering if the problem is that Logan is the first X-Men movie that demands a knowledge of the written universe, which I don't have...?

I found it to be insular, bt I know the X-Men universe like eh back of my hand, so I'm the wrong guy.

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Re: Superhero Movies
« Reply #527 on: May 23, 2017, 06:58:10 PM »

Geek info requests:

Is Adamantium poisoning new to the movie universe?

Yes.

Well...that's stupid, then. Fuck them.

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Where are the other X-Men?

Dead, we assume. You got the part about how Xavier freaked out and killed everybody, right?

Yeah, I guess. But that whole sideline felt like I had missed maybe 4 or 5 movies.

In fact, all of Logan felt like that. Which may also be a side effect of the fact that the X-Men movie universe technically has 5 fully viable timelines going on at the moment. It's like we need the 12 Monkeys splinter machine to figure it all out.

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Re: Superhero Movies
« Reply #528 on: May 23, 2017, 08:01:52 PM »
Just rewatched that one scene with the bullets.  He was ejecting bullets not shells.  When a bullet hits tissue and stuff it mushrooms to a flat surface causing more damage.  The flattened bullets are what he's pushing out of his body.  They are an accurate representation of bullets hitting metal which is pretty cool I think. 

The no more mutants is explained by the evil guy and Eric LaSalle at different times in the movie.  They basically genetically engineered the food supply to weed out the mutant genes.   

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« Reply #529 on: May 24, 2017, 07:29:08 AM »
This error is noted everywhere, though...IMDB, etc. And it's mistake #1 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a5ybqMV6Qk

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« Reply #530 on: May 24, 2017, 08:20:43 AM »
Oh, well if the internet says it's true then it must be true 🙄🙄

I can show you bullets that look exactly like that after hitting metal.

In the end this movie ranks up there with some of my favorites.  And that's all I really care about.

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« Reply #531 on: May 24, 2017, 08:24:09 AM »
Well, they looked like shell casings to me!

This was a fine movie, but not my favorite. I think I'm over-X-Manned, though.

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« Reply #532 on: June 05, 2017, 09:53:33 AM »
Just because it's Wonder Woman and it means a lot to me on multiple levels, I want it to not suck.

I'd LOVE to know what you thought of this RC?  I saw it this weekend and have a lot of thoughts about it.  All involve spoilers though so let me know when it's okay to post about it.

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Re: Superhero Movies
« Reply #533 on: June 05, 2017, 10:10:00 AM »
I haven't seen it yet...but still post away with spoilers!

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« Reply #534 on: June 05, 2017, 11:03:07 AM »
Okay...you've been warned :)

Spoilers ahead!!  All of below should be read with the caveat that I was in a pissy mood when I saw this so that may have affected me.

The big thing I take away from this is the hype around the movie, and more importantly, the fact that it's a female director and lead is apparently more important than story or continuity.

The other big thing I take away is the editor should have been taken out back and shot.  Continuity issues are all over the place.  From the Steve Roger/WW escape from her home on a sail boat that apparently makes it from somewhere near Turkey to England overnight by "getting lucky and we caught a ride". Seriously, that's how they explained it.  Really?  You got a ride in WWI era from a ship that can go faster than modern day ships?  To where during the pre "big bad" fight she kills the bad guy and leaves her sword in the guy.  Then the true big bad shows up and she confronts him in another place and essentially says "hold on" in the middle of his "I'm the true big bad guy" speech to go and get the sword.

Bad CGI all over the place.  Like the horses looking like they were galloping in thin air.  And clear halos around the actors.  This may have been because it was shot for 3D and we saw the 2D version.  But still...it was like a movie using 10 year old technology.  Game of Thrones has better CGI. 

The story was unoriginal, the main character development was minimal and even less so for the supporting cast.  Like having a sniper that can't shoot people because of "the nightmares" but after one battle where he shoots no one, WW says it's okay and he's then happy and singing.  Then in the next battle is picking people off left and right.  As if PTSD was something that can be cured with a hug and a smile. 

While I didn't expect the script that would move me to tears, something above "Isn't this the same story as (insert any comic book name)".  Which I suppose is what I should expect.  But considering the hype I expected a bit more.

So that's the negative - the positive is the movie is an enjoyable popcorn movie.  It's certainly not the best comic book movie ever, which is what the critics allude to, but it's enjoyable enough that I wasn't upset I spent the money on it.  Gal Godot is stunningly beautiful and I could watch her on screen reading from a phone book.  Chris Pine is..well Chris Pine.  I did like that they didn't try to make it "I'm a man I'll protect you".  Any of that was more "I know how horrible the world is and I'll try to protect you."  The action sequences are intense and as spectacular as you'd expect from a comic book movie but nothing new.  I do feel that if they release an extended edition like they did with Batman V Superman it could flesh it out to a much better movie.

Worth seeing, but if you don't wait to see it at home you won't be missing anything.

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Re: Superhero Movies
« Reply #535 on: June 05, 2017, 11:23:11 AM »
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« Reply #536 on: June 05, 2017, 01:15:16 PM »
Bah, I say.

So I went in expecting a total turd burger (but hoping for the opposite). I like it because it feels like a throwback to the Burton Batman era of superhero movies. I mean, we're not looking for logic when we go to these things right?

Stranger Things has shifted my expectations in terms of shit like "They went from the Mediterranean to London in a night?!" Because tell me a goddamned story. I'm so utterly sick of "world building" and "mythology" and all this nitty-gritty, nerdy, easter egg shit that does nothing to advance the story. The one scene of them on the boat together was great. Two more for the sake of "realism" would have ground my teeth.

I emailed Nacho shortly after seeing WW, and one of my comments was to the effect that there a couple times I was like, "OMG, are they gonna fuck this up?" To me, the movie always saved itself by not staying in one mode the entire time. I'm almost *positive* it won't hold up as well under a second viewing. (Though maybe it will. FB friends who have seen it twice said it was better the second time around.) But that it was simple and just kept cruising from set piece to set piece with very little explanation. Steve Trevor wanted to Stop Dr. Poison. WW is naive to enough to think she can stop WWI by killing one dude. Enough for me. Get me to No Man's Land!

It's not sophisticated at all. And frankly, that's fine. I'm sick to death of these things feeling like they *all* need to be some great pontification on the human condition. A Logan or a Dark Knight every once in a while are fine, but do we need that all the time? Isn't BvS terrible because it's taking itself *far* too seriously? Paint in broad strokes. We'll all apply our own interpretation to it anyway. Don't we love Guardians of the Galaxy because it's ultimately about finding your tribe? Wonder Woman is about some naive country girl who comes to the city ready to save the world from evil and realizes some people are just bad and can't be helped? Fine and dandy.  As long as I'm not bored. God save me from boring superhero movies.

I like Wonder Woman because it's old fashioned adventure, a throwback, and isn't in love with it's own importance.
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« Reply #537 on: June 05, 2017, 02:43:34 PM »
The one scene o them on the boat togather was great. Two more for the sake of "realism" would have ground my teeth.


It was a good scene.  I liked it...what I mean by the editing/directing is all they had to do was not have her waking up as if it was the next day.  Just stand in the boat and then change the line to "This is London?, it's horrible"  When they had her waking up it pulls you out of that great scene a second before.

To me the film aped BvS in trying to be more important than itself.  I would have been happy with a campy GOTG story.  I'm fine with that as a comic movie.  But the slight lines about women not being able to vote, and the PTSD of the sniper, and, and, and...that's my issue.

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Re: Superhero Movies
« Reply #538 on: June 05, 2017, 03:14:25 PM »
All the women's right stuff didn't bother me because WW has been as much a feminist icon as a superhero since the 70s.

It's not a perfect movie, to be sure. But I think it's pretty okay on it's own merits. Which is more than we can say for the Ghostbusters reboot... which I felt like everybody fell all over themselves apologizing for because "women's rights!" when as a film story, it was mediocre at best.

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« Reply #539 on: June 10, 2017, 12:22:53 PM »
The best thing about Marvel getting into their deep cut superheroes for movies is they really don't have to worry about mobs of nerds swarming their offices with torches and pitchforks screaming, "You did it wrong." They can go out and be a little wild.

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