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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2006, 11:09:14 PM »
He nailed it on the head with a sledgehammer the size of a large planet.

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2006, 08:57:53 AM »

3) interfering in local and regional politics, e.g. installing and supporting several leaders who ruined their people's lives (Saddam, that Iranian guy, probably Egypt)

Good lord, that goes for the entire planet.  The Taliban, as well.  South America... This was one of the key elements to how things were run during the Cold War.  Russia did the same thing.  The agitators who cite this as an example simply lack any historical knowledge.

And there's the great issue, eh?  Revisionist history on the part of the entire planet runs America out as the scapegoat simply because we're not only the last man standing, but we're a rather unique nation in terms of society and politics.  Beating up on Russia for committing similar -- and far, far, far greater crimes during the Cold War -- seems pathetic.  Like kicking the crippled kid.

We may be guilty of sins over the last 50 years, but we didn't commit those sins out of malevolence.  Paranoia, political naivete...okay.  It is clear to the world that we, as a nation, are not guilty but are, instead, driven by a core group of "fanatics," whether they be industrial or political.  The days of painting the enemy as baby-eating gorillas is over because everyone everywhere is plugged in.

But fanatics drive the population.  It's the great flaw of democracy.  The 5-10%, if ever in a position of power,  often speak for the majority.  Basic survival. 

I've always viewed terrorism as an attempt to wake us up and get us active against the ruling minority.  Of course, it backfires with us because, since we were brought in from the farmhouse schools to the cluster schools we've been trained to march to war and machine gun Waffen-SS.

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2006, 10:14:05 AM »
Politicians don't have that many principles, and that's the key difference between you and I.

Ha!  I don't see that as a key difference.  I agree with you.  Our disagreement is mostly about George Bush having/not having principles.

I don't think hating America because it's easy & gives power are reasons.  They may be true, but people don't really hate things for those reasons...although they may say that they do.  Are you saying that Islamic terrorists don't really hate America, they just say it to be cool?

If so what can we do about it?

Fajwat, how do we start convincing them?

Do we really have any power to do that, or are we bound, as Nacho says,  to be shoved around by the vocal fanatics advancing their agendas?

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2006, 11:55:03 AM »

3) interfering in local and regional politics, e.g. installing and supporting several leaders who ruined their people's lives (Saddam, that Iranian guy, probably Egypt)

Good lord, that goes for the entire planet.  The Taliban, as well.  South America... This was one of the key elements to how things were run during the Cold War.  Russia did the same thing.  The agitators who cite this as an example simply lack any historical knowledge.

...The days of painting the enemy as baby-eating gorillas is over because everyone everywhere is plugged in.

They can still blame us for our actions.  Especially given the abandonment afterward.  Claiming that they're not putting their suffering in proper political perspective ... yeah, that always helps.  I mean, you seem to have a point there but what to do about it?
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2006, 11:56:09 AM »
(Nacho -- you're low on milk.  Sorry for any mess I've left.  My parking space will be free until Sunday evening.)
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2006, 11:58:29 AM »
(Nacho -- you're low on milk. Sorry for any mess I've left. My parking space will be free until Sunday evening.)

Thanks.  I'll stand in it and think about how great it would be if the Acura had a working fuel pump.

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2006, 09:24:50 PM »
shit, really?  Is that still dead? Foo.  BTW, I'm cashing another one of your checks soon.  I mixed it up with my aunt's "Evangelical Credit Union" check I'd been keeping in my wallet as a souvineer.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2006, 02:11:23 AM »
i don't see what's so wrong about giving in.  We're already halfway there with all our new laws, restrictions, and mindset.  Just withrdaw from Israel and stop beating up on the desert and caves jetset.  They say if we give in to the terrorists, they win, but so what?  If we give them everything they want, it's not like they're going to come back for more.

"You stopped supporting those Israeli bastards?"

"Yep."

"And you're not going to try to 'liberate' our countries anymore?"

"That's right."

"And you're going to stop exporting 'Friends' to Al-Jezeera?"

"Prom promise."

"Ok, what about oil?"

"Well, we've worked out a few deals with Russia, China (you know, reasonable countries)  and tried to cut back on our consumption rate by putting money into research on Hybrid engines and shit like that."

"Oh."

"So..."

"Yeah. Well."

"I guess this is goodbye."

"Don't make a big deal of it."

"Fine.  Whatever."

"..."

"..."

"Your phone number's the same, right?"

"Look, can't we just end this nicely?"

"Uh..wait! I have other demands!  Stop with the turtlenecks already!  And I need to know what's in the McDonald's special sauce!  And that Bruce Willis movie 'The Siege'...that's gotta come off of netflix....OR ELSE!"

"Don't do this to yourself.  You just get back out there.  Go bother Spain or something."
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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2006, 04:46:51 AM »
no, no, what they REALLY care about is our Freedoms!  That and our freedom fries.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2006, 08:56:22 AM »
shit, really?  Is that still dead? Foo.  BTW, I'm cashing another one of your checks soon.  I mixed it up with my aunt's "Evangelical Credit Union" check I'd been keeping in my wallet as a souvineer.

Special thanks go to you for cashing two of my rent checks during the same pay period!

Yes, the Acura's still dead.

Cass:  I want to put that on the front page.  Or, at least, a version of that.  Can you use that exact exchange for an expanded though still short breakup comedy between oppressor and Mid-East?  Because, if not, I will.
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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2006, 09:36:42 AM »
So if we just ignore terrorists they'll go away?

We were pretty much doing that before they killed 3000 people with airplanes.

Oh, but those people aren't that important.  I mean, they're dead after all.

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2006, 10:01:06 AM »
Republicans are bad for the environment!

Look, Reginald, I can do it too.

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2006, 10:24:22 AM »
Humans are bad for the environment.

I'm not sure what it is that you're doing too.  So spell it out, I'm not good at subtlety.

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2006, 10:35:30 AM »
I was pointing out the way you throw out phrases instead of arguments in rebutting people's arguments and statements. More often than not, those phrases obscure the argument by charging it emotionally.

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Re: Let's start this season off right
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2006, 11:47:43 AM »
As was noticed, it's not a great way to communicate.

Ow, we're exposed to the world in the Midday topic now?  I feel nekkid and self conscious.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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