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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #195 on: December 05, 2013, 12:15:47 PM »
You need to go into more detail. I get the hard act to follow business and all that... But there's no logical reason to squeeze four Big Bads into a two hour movie. How does that even fly? Not only do we have the horrific track record of superhero movies as an example of what not to do, but it's just impossible to approach from a storytelling angle...

If this is the death knell of the superhero movie, it almost feels like it's being done intentionally, you know?

I would also argue that the superhero genre never really got off the ground. Okay, Batman Begins was an interesting blip. But it was just that -- a blip. Dark Knight only stands out because of one actor's unique talents. The rest of the movie was a mess, as was DKR.

I can't think of any other superhero movies that even approached quality... Avengers, possibly, but only if you refuse to stop and think about it.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #196 on: December 05, 2013, 12:24:24 PM »
The Amazing Spider Man 2 trailer:


The Avengers killed the super hero movie because now everything is about the crossover lead up to the big mamma-jamma all-star team movie. The next Superman movie is Superman vs. Batman starring Wonder Woman and the Flash, which will plant seeds for solo movies that will ultimately lead up to a Justice League movie. Spider-Man is cramming ten villains into one movie leading up to a battle royal with The Sinister Six in Spectacular Spider-Man 8. Fox and Sony have to keep churning out X-Men and Spider-Man movies every three years or the film rights revert back to Marvel. They're cash cows, which is fine, but with The Avengers, the methods of fattening the cow for the kill have changed dramatically.

One of these mega movies will flop terribly. It's inevitable. Then, the sea change.
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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #197 on: December 05, 2013, 01:01:30 PM »
I don't understand how one of them hasn't yet flopped terribly.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #198 on: December 05, 2013, 01:14:24 PM »
It's only a matter of time. People are looking to next summer's Guardians of the Galaxy, based off one of Marvel's C-List properties, to be the first to crack. Green Lantern flopped, but all the DC stuff is owned (not licensed, but outright owned) by Warner Bros. and they had Batman and Harry Potter to soak up the loss.

I guess my beef is that everything has to be "Bigger! Faster! More, More, MORE!" If they think they're going to make a jillion dollars anyway, take some creative risks.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #199 on: December 05, 2013, 01:21:33 PM »
Yeah, that's what gets me, too. You know you're going to pack the theater... Why not have some real fun and do a good/interesting movie?

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #200 on: December 05, 2013, 06:06:35 PM »
Why not have some real fun and do a good/interesting movie?

See that's the hard part, as I see it. How many good/interesting movies are there? One or two a year? If you're lucky.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #201 on: December 05, 2013, 06:16:04 PM »
Why not have some real fun and do a good/interesting movie?

See that's the hard part, as I see it. How many good/interesting movies are there? One or two a year? If you're lucky.

Point proven this year with the reaction to Gravity and 12 Years a Slave (and studios all pushing back their movies to avoid Oscar competition).

Except for the new All-Katniss studio that Lawrence apparently secretly owns.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #202 on: December 13, 2013, 05:35:13 AM »
Oof. Yeah, it's time to write that superhero piece.

http://flash.sonypictures.com/movies/theamazingspiderman2/microsite/electroarrives/theamazingspiderman_pressrelease_1212.pdf

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SONY PICTURES ENTERTAINMENT TO EXPAND THE SPIDER-MAN UNIVERSE ON SCREEN WITH ALL-STAR WRITING TEAM

Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Jeff Pinkner, Ed Solomon, and Drew Goddard to Collaborate withMarc Webb and Producers Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach
on Developing the Universe and Expanding the Story in“The Amazing Spider-Man 3,” “Venom,” and “The Sinister Six”

CULVER CITY, Calif., December 12, 2013 – In a move to forge a new legacy in the story of Peter Parker on screen, Sony Pictures Entertainment, in association with Marvel Entertainment, is developing several new projects in the Spider-Man franchise, with Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Jeff Pinkner, Ed Solomon, and Drew Goddard to collaborate on overseeing the developing story over several films that will be produced by Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach, it was announced today by Doug Belgrad, president of Columbia Pictures, and Hannah Minghella, president of Production for the studio.

The five writers, along with the two producers and Marc Webb, have formed a franchise brain trust to expand the universe for the brand and to develop a continuous tone and thread throughout the films. Under the deals, the studio announced that Kurtzman & Orci & Pinkner are writing the screenplay for The Amazing Spider-Man 3, which the studio hopes Webb will return to direct; the film will go into production next fall for release on June 10, 2016. In addition, the team will build on the cinematic foundation laid by Webb, Arad, and Tolmach in the first two movies. They will expand the franchise as Kurtzman & Orci & Solomon will write the screenplay for Venom, which Kurtzman will direct; also, Goddard will write, with an eye to direct, The Sinister Six, focusing on the villains in the franchise. Hannah Minghella and Rachel O’Connor will oversee the development and production of these films for the studio.

In tapping these five writers, the studio and the producers are guiding the future of the franchise with the writer/producers who have each played significant and key roles in developing such highly successful franchises, films, and series as Star Trek, Transformers, “Alias,” “Fringe,” Men in Black, Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure, World War Z, “Lost,” Cloverfield, The Cabin in the Woods, and Marvel’s upcoming “Daredevil” series.

Commenting on the announcement, Belgrad said, “The Spider-Man film franchise is one of our studio’s greatest assets. We are thrilled with the creative team we have assembled to delve more deeply into the world that Marc, Avi and Matt have begun to explore in The Amazing Spider-Man and The Amazing Spider-Man 2. We believe that Marc, Alex, and Drew have uniquely exciting visions for how to expand the Spider-Man universe in each of these upcoming films.”

Arad and Tolmach added, “This collaboration was born out of the great experience we and Marc had working with Alex, Bob, and Jeff on The Amazing Spider-Man 2. With more than fifty years’ wealth of stories in the comic books to draw upon for inspiration, the Spider-Man universe is truly boundless; in addition, the Spider-Man comics have the greatest rogues gallery of any series, and to have the chance to explore that on film is truly thrilling. Until now, we have approached each film as a separate, self-contained entity, but with this move, we have the opportunity to grow the franchise by looking to the future as we develop a continuous arc for the story. That is what Alex, Bob, Jeff, Ed, and Drew will do in this unprecedented collaboration, and we’re excited about the directions they are taking the character and the world.”

The most successful franchise in the history of Columbia Pictures, Spider-Man is embraced all over the world. The four Spider-Man films to date have taken in over $3.2 billion worldwide. Spider-Man, Venom, The Sinister Six and other Spider-Man related characters are licensed to Sony by Marvel Entertainment.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #203 on: December 13, 2013, 08:38:55 AM »
It's been time since Batman Forever.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #204 on: February 03, 2014, 05:32:02 PM »
Meanwhile, I don't think I even need to see The Amazing Spider-Man 2 now.


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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #205 on: February 03, 2014, 06:00:56 PM »
Wow... that looks awful.
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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #206 on: February 04, 2014, 10:43:15 AM »
How many bad guys are we up to?

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A tweet from Marc Webb seems to have revealed that B.J. Novak (The Office) will be playing Alistair Smythe, aka Ultimate Spider-Slayer, in Amazing Spider-Man 2.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #207 on: March 28, 2014, 04:04:14 PM »
Rereading old threads in an effort to procrastinate doing real work. I've tuned out the insane amount of Amazing Spider-Man 2 trailers, pictures, news, ads, madness, etc. There seems to be a real need for Sony to make this a massive hit, but I've literally been pummeled with so much Spider-Man shit since last fall, that my desire to see this movie is close to nil.

Which is sad because I actually kind of liked the reboot.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #208 on: May 05, 2014, 01:11:32 PM »
Some mentioned turning off you IQ in another thread which reminded me I should catch a matinee of this horror show today.

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Re: The Rise & Fall of the Spider-Man Franchise
« Reply #209 on: May 05, 2014, 03:17:02 PM »
I've heard from some that it might not be terrible. Very surprising.