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Title: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 05, 2005, 11:11:53 AM
Tee-hee!

Anybody remember the moron who created an online  petition in order to try and get Peter Jackson to change the name of The Two Towers becuase it was insensitive in regards to 9/11 and how could Peter Jackson have the nerve to tcapitalize on 9/11 by titling his movie as such . . . not really realizing that the book had ALWAYS been called TTT?

I think this is his wife . . .

http://www.legendgames.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/MC0000094.txt (http://www.legendgames.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/MC0000094.txt)

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Revenge Of The Kids

Review by Katrina Maguire

GEORGE Lucas is about to receive a letter from my nine year old son informing him that his history of that famous galaxy far, far away is about as accurate as a light saber in the hands of an ewok.

Anakin Skywalker, my little boy's hero, was never tempted by the dark side, let alone fated to become its leading evildoer, and Lucas's attempts to cast him in that evil twilight have caused the Stars Wars writer and producer to grow horns on his head and develop glowing hot coals for eyes.

This week I explained to my son that he wouldn't be seeing Revenge Of The Sith, the final instalment of Star Wars, for two reasons - one because of it's reputed violence and darkness and two because seeing the hero of The Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones turn so breathtakingly evil, particularly when he is the idol of children the world over, is amoral movie making at its worst and a betrayal of childish trust.

I was suprised by son's reaction. "I don't want to see it anyway," he said. "George Lucas doesn't know what he's talking about. Why would a good hero become evil? He wouldn't have been a hero in the first place, would he?

"It's too stupid. If Anakin was Darth Vader then Darth Vader couldn't have been so bad, could he? George Lucas is dumb".

Indeed, if George Lucas thinks Anakin Skywalker is his character to remake and remould however he chooses, he may be seriously mistaken.

Judging by my son's reaction I can see Revenge Of The Sith spawning a whole range of breach of copyright actions as the young followers of Anakin Skywalker attempt to correct this perverted telling of his story.

My young one has vowed to remake the movie and has already started work on the script.

I hope it's a vast improvement on Lucas's effort. This producer has betrayed his young fans just as he has Anakin betraying the Jedi younglings in one of the movie's most horrific moments.

Anakin Skywalker enters the council room to find the younglings hiding behind seats. As they emerge one reputedly asks, "What should we do, Master Anakin?" The question is met with a stony faced Skywalker firing up his lightsaber. Cut! The next time you see the younglings Master Yoda is identifying their their corpses.

Revenge Of The Sith sounds as though it is little more than George Lucas wallowing in a sea of self indulgence. He apparently has no concern about conflicting the emotions of children and breaking their hearts. It would be a different matter if The Star Wars series hadn't been pitched at children, as it has been until now.

I hope parents and kids vote with their feet on this movie and keep walking past the cinemas that are showing it after it premieres at the end of this month. Who knows, it may just inspire George Lucas to research the history of that galaxy with greater diligence.
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Post by: Matt on May 05, 2005, 01:09:49 PM
This has to be a gag.
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Post by: Tyson on May 05, 2005, 01:19:48 PM
Stop posting this shit. I'm losing my faith in humanity.

God! Eugenics wasn't a bad idea after all!
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Post by: Cassander on May 05, 2005, 02:16:45 PM
Oh my god.

*shoots self*
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Post by: monkey! on May 05, 2005, 04:12:19 PM
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Oh my god.

*shoots self*


Did you hear the click?
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Post by: Nubbins on August 20, 2009, 05:58:20 PM
Since there are only a few Star Wars threads lingering around, I'm just going to post this here.

http://blogs.amctv.com/scifi-scanner/2009/08/bad-designs-in-star-wars.php

Some of these, surprisingly, had never even occurred to me.  Now I'll never be able to watch Star Wars again.
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Post by: nacho on August 20, 2009, 06:17:27 PM
Dude...hilarious.  The older I get, and the more I watch Lucas self-destruct, the more I realize that...he always sucked.
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Post by: Nubbins on August 20, 2009, 09:01:25 PM
I was trying to find that Spaced clip of Tim burning all his Star Wars stuff on a pyre and landed on this:

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Live-Action Star Wars Series In Pre-Production In Australia?
Posted on Thursday, July 2nd, 2009 by Russ Fischer

Remember the time when rumors that a live-action Star Wars television series was in pre-production would have ignited swirls of fan frenzy? How things have changed. Now SciFiWire’s report that writers are being assembled down under is just another line item in a crowded RSS feed. The show has long had a planned start date of late ‘09, so this report goes along with what we’ve already known. Assuming we do see a Star Wars series premiering next year, what will it actually be?

Goerge Lucas, who will be relatively hands-off as an Executive Producer, has said several times that the show would run at least 100 episodes, and at one point there was word that could be upped to 400. He has described the show as “Deadwood meets The Sopranos in space” and repeatedly claimed that no major characters from the films would be integral parts of the storyline, but that some characters could show up as cameos. The Empire will be rising in the background, and we’ll hear about the Emporer, but not see him.

Early last year, producer Rick McCallum confirmed that Boba Fett would be “an instrumental part” of the new series (contradicting the ‘no major characters’ rule? or downgrading Boba to a minor character in the eyes of McCallum and Lucas?) which is set in the transitional timeline between Episode III and IV. Later it was reported that McCallum wants to see Daniel Logan, the young Boba Fett from the prequels, in the Fett armor for the series.

The show was originally meant to go earlier this year, but the writers’ strike postponed development. We’ve heard a lot over the last two years about writers working on scripts, and now the SciFiWire report says that “high-quality writers from the Aussie TV industry, including writers from Love My Way and Secret Life of Us” are being assembled. And a couple of months ago Rose Byrne seemed to confirm that casting had begun in Australia.

Lucas is self-financing the show, and has said they are going to write the entire first season at once, then cast and shoot it, so that it is all planned out and properly thought through. He’s still without a network partner for broadcast, and likely will remain so until there is more to show.
Title: Re: Star Wars is WRONG!
Post by: Nubbins on August 26, 2009, 11:19:42 AM
I'm laughing entirely too hard at this.

la laaaaaaaaaaa lalala laaaaaaaa
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Post by: nacho on August 26, 2009, 11:38:44 AM
I love that clip.
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Post by: Cassander on September 15, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
WHAT THE FUCK?  I mean, how much is too much? How many more ways can they make money off of this thing? In twenty years we'll be gambling in Star Wars casinos and eating in Star Wars restaurants and drinking in real life cantina bars and in fifty years Star Wars will just be elected president. 

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Post by: Tatertots on September 15, 2009, 10:05:09 PM
I'm waiting for Star Wars Otter Pops.
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Post by: nacho on September 16, 2009, 07:51:48 AM
I think we answered the "how much is too much" question with the Star Wars Holiday Special in 1979.
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Post by: Nubbins on September 16, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
WHAT THE FUCK?  I mean, how much is too much? How many more ways can they make money off of this thing? In twenty years we'll be gambling in Star Wars casinos and eating in Star Wars restaurants and drinking in real life cantina bars and in fifty years Star Wars will just be elected president. 


Um, maybe I am totally gay, but I would totally go see live, symphonic Star Wars.
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on September 16, 2009, 12:26:24 PM
Um, maybe I am totally gay, but I would totally go see live, symphonic Star Wars.

I think the correct term is "symphonic", as in "Um, maybe I am totally symphonic, but I love symphonies!"
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Post by: Nubbins on September 16, 2009, 12:33:47 PM
THUPER THYMPHONIEEEETH!!!!!!!
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Post by: Nubbins on September 17, 2009, 02:51:56 PM
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Post by: nacho on September 17, 2009, 11:07:01 PM
um...


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Post by: Cassander on September 18, 2009, 11:37:47 AM
oooooookay.
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Post by: Nubbins on September 18, 2009, 11:43:42 AM
um...



what in the fuck
Title: Re: Star Wars is WRONG!
Post by: nacho on September 18, 2009, 11:51:32 AM
More proof that Lucas was always insane.
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Post by: Nubbins on September 23, 2009, 12:08:29 PM
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Post by: Nubbins on October 13, 2009, 12:36:42 PM
http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/bb2e/

RAD
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Post by: Nubbins on October 13, 2009, 02:00:02 PM
More Star Wars goodness from our friends at Robot Chicken...

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/dummy/watch/v1716524494HtsRXW#

THIS LONG RANGE MISSLE COULDN'T POSSIBLY... COULD IT?  *Ewok explodes*
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Post by: Cassander on January 17, 2010, 05:21:31 PM
Star Wars Burlesque Show in L.A. (http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/synthful/star-wars-burlesque-mos-eisley/)

(http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/assets_c/2010/01/Star%20Wars%20Girls_-40-1-thumb-550x367.jpg)

Slightly NSFW and very disturbing.
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Post by: Tatertots on January 17, 2010, 05:34:48 PM
(http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/assets_c/2010/01/Star%20Wars%20Girls_-21-1-thumb-550x367.jpg)

THERE IS A GOD.
Title: Re: Star Wars is WRONG!
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 17, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
Wasn't this posted in a different thread?
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Post by: Matt on January 17, 2010, 07:41:09 PM
(http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/assets_c/2010/01/Star%20Wars%20Girls_-21-1-thumb-550x367.jpg)

THERE IS A GOD.

That's like, the only hot one though.
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Post by: nacho on January 17, 2010, 08:05:26 PM
Wasn't this posted in a different thread?

Yeah.  I think I put it in neat links.
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Post by: Cassander on January 17, 2010, 08:15:37 PM
ah, sorry. 
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Post by: nacho on January 17, 2010, 08:25:57 PM
There can never be too many pictures of scantily clad girls.
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Post by: Cassander on August 06, 2010, 01:10:02 AM
has this already been posted?

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
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Post by: nacho on August 06, 2010, 01:46:54 AM
Wow.  No, it hasn't.
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Post by: Nubbins on August 06, 2010, 11:19:13 AM
has this already been posted?

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

I'm definitely stealing this. :D
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Post by: nacho on August 06, 2010, 01:37:55 PM
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Post by: Cassander on August 06, 2010, 01:52:19 PM
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 15, 2010, 09:20:27 PM
I changed the name of the "Star Wars is Wrong" thread  to "General Star Wars Thread" and moved it to the movies section since it's kind of turned into a all-purpose place to drop Star Wars craziness.

To celebrate, here's the deleted opening scene from Return of the Jedi they revealed at this past weekend's Star Wars celebration.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on August 15, 2010, 09:36:07 PM
God, listen to those fanboys.  Like they've never seen a lightsaber before.  They're why Lucas overused them in the prequels.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 15, 2010, 09:42:49 PM
Agreed.

Still . . . pretty cool scene.
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Post by: Tatertots on August 15, 2010, 10:32:30 PM
That was the hardest I've ever cringed at a YouTube video. Those are grown men.
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Post by: nacho on August 16, 2010, 10:27:12 AM
The only reason it's a cool scene is because it's from the original trilogy and we haven't seen it before. The scene itself is a little weird and I see why they deleted it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on September 29, 2010, 11:06:09 AM
So... Starting in 2012, all six movies are being re-released theatrically in 3D.

File under: Please, stop it!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Nubbins on September 29, 2010, 12:09:27 PM
Also, Lucas is releasing them as a single film, so you better wear some depends.
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Post by: nacho on September 29, 2010, 12:22:03 PM
I have plenty of Depends left over from when I drove cross country non stop to murder Lucas.
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on September 30, 2010, 09:37:52 PM
Haha!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
Ha!

http://www.asylum.com/2010/11/17/psa-talking-to-your-kids-about-star-wars/ (http://www.asylum.com/2010/11/17/psa-talking-to-your-kids-about-star-wars/)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 17, 2010, 10:47:25 PM
Nice.  I'm showing my boy Star Wars for the first time in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 18, 2010, 11:07:54 AM
Oh, good, you have a chance to hide the prequels from him. As a father, your only goal is to make sure that he doesn't learn about them until he accidentally stumbles across them at college.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 18, 2010, 11:10:13 AM
Do you think the prequels will find the 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' cult or is the culture beyond that?
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Post by: nacho on November 18, 2010, 11:29:05 AM
Do you think the prequels will find the 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' cult or is the culture beyond that?


No.  I think they'll always be an embarrassment. The reasons some movies become cult hits is because they're either understated/poorly marketed moments of genius (like Fifth Element), or they're hilariously bad (such as Plan 9).  The bad ones can be further subdivided into correctly-done intentionally bad (Hell Comes to Frogtown) and unintentionally bad yet strangely alluring either because of the badness alone or a sort of light-at-the-end-of-tunnel realization of how awesome they could have been (Event Horizon, Tank Girl).

An interesting undertone often seen in the unintentionally bad cult hits is a sort of self-awareness of the comic potential and/or the lost opportunity. Tank Girl, again, as an example.  Of course, the shining example would be Evil Dead. The first movie is lamely trying for seriousness, but you can tell that everyone knows what's really going on. When the chains are cut, they instantly whip into the comedy of the two sequels.

So... No.  The Star Wars prequels will always be in the same world as things like the Aeon Flux live action movie, the cash-crazed 90's Batman sequels, and so on. Movies done solely as an attempt to make a quick buck off of the suckers.  They lack the heart and soul that shines through in our beloved cult movies.  They lack the quirkiness.  They even lack appropriately done self-referential nostalgia because Lucas hates the original movies.
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 19, 2010, 12:02:47 AM
Unfortunately he knows the entire saga due to the Star Wars Lego game, but I'm definitely showing him episodes 4-6 first.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 02, 2011, 10:02:30 PM
It easy to forget how scarce video was in the early days of the internet. This would probably be ho-hum these days, but when it first came out, it made an unbelievable splash.

Watch it again.

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Post by: Tatertots on January 03, 2011, 02:48:01 AM
Yeah, that was one of the first "wow" things I ever saw on the internet. Back in the day, memes were rare and cherished treasures. Now they're a dime a dozen a second.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 02, 2011, 08:53:49 PM
This commercial has been making the rounds on FB all day. Probably because it's better than all three prequels.

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Post by: nacho on February 03, 2011, 08:05:01 AM
It's so refreshing to have a commercial with a kid...without a kid.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 19, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 18, 2011, 06:12:07 PM
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CAPTAIN AMERICA Director Joe Johnston Wants To Make A STAR WARS Motion Picture About BOBA FETT!!
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Post by: nacho on July 18, 2011, 06:15:20 PM
*twitch*
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 18, 2011, 06:19:07 PM
"Into the trunk, Joe."
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Post by: nacho on July 26, 2011, 01:11:30 PM
The new release in September has "never before seen" deleted scenes.

Sci-Fi Wire has a minute-long clip from comic-con:

http://blastr.com/2011/07/omg-check-out-these-never.php
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Post by: RottingCorpse on August 10, 2011, 07:21:38 PM
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Post by: RottingCorpse on August 27, 2011, 04:59:30 PM
Because he hasn't fucked with these movies enough.

Click link for pics:
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/star-wars-gets-tweaks-blu-ray-release-232658967.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/star-wars-gets-tweaks-blu-ray-release-232658967.html)

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‘Star Wars’ Gets New Tweaks for Blu-ray Release

George Lucas has been making changes to "Star Wars" for nearly as long as it's been in existence.  When the original film was re-released in 1981, the opening text was revised to include "Episode IV: A New Hope" as a subtitle.  And he's continued to update the picture and sound in new versions of the movies, from 1997's "Special Editions" to the DVD release in 2004.

So it shouldn't come as a surprise that when Lucas prepped both the original trilogy and the prequels for their debut on Blu-ray, he'd make some more adjustments to the films.  And while fans have been upset about some of the changes made in earlier revisions -- most notoriously making Greedo shoot at Han Solo first -- the new editions actually address some things true "Star Wars" geeks have complained about for years.

One fix in the new Blu-ray is a quick but embarrassing mistake in "The Empire Strikes Back."  In a scene early in the movie, Luke Skywalker is out patrolling on the ice planet Hoth when he's attacked by a giant monster called a Wampa.  In one shot, the monster's arm sweeps in and hits Luke, but the puppeteer working the arm pushed it too far into frame.  The fake arm was attached to a pole which managed to sneak into the picture, and it's been visible in the movie for 30 years.  Digital effects artists at ILM extended the Wampa's arm, and on the Blu-ray the pole is no longer visible.

The Blu-rays also correct some issues from when the movies were converted to DVD.  Fans were upset at the time that colors and brightness on the lightsabers were duller than they were in the theatrical releases.  On Blu-ray, the saber blades have been restored to their vibrant colors with bright, white-hot cores, like in this shot from "Return of the Jedi."

Probably the most visible change in the Blu-rays is actually in one of the newer films.  When "Episode I: The Phantom Menace" hit theaters in 1999, many fans complained about Yoda's physical appearance.  A new puppet was created for the film with the intention of making Yoda look younger than he did in the original trilogy.  But fans complained that the new Yoda just didn't look right, and apparently George Lucas agreed.  In the following two prequels, Yoda was entirely a digital creation that more closely resembled the original character.  And in the Blu-ray, the puppet in "Episode I" has been removed completely and replaced by a computer-generated Jedi.  Here's a side-by-side comparison of the two.

In addition to the changes to the films, "Star Wars: The Complete Saga" is stuffed with extras for fanatics.  There are two discs of archives featuring deleted and alternate scenes, concept art, and prop close-ups.  Plus, there is an additional disc of documentaries showcasing the making of the films, the global network of fans, and spoofs of the saga from other shows and movies.  All told, the set has over forty hours of bonus materials.

"Star Wars: The Complete Saga" hits shelves on September 16.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on August 31, 2011, 11:24:11 AM
Oh my god...


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First it was Greedo firing first against Han Solo, then Yoda's puppet is sadly replaced by CGI, now Vader is being forced against his will to bellow his trademark cry as the Emperor tortures poor Luke. Stop the insanity!

George Lucas, as lord commander of all denizens in the Star Wars universe, is at it again for the September 16th release of Star Wars: The Complete Saga Blu-ray set. He's inserted two instances of dialogue unheard in the original Return Of The Jedi. Why? Because he can.

Not content with the continuity of one trilogy to the next, Lucas continues his fiddling march toward digital perfection by altering more scenes to the detriment of the film. It was bad enough hearing Vader's pathetic howl of woe at the end of Episode VI. Well, it's back in black with a vengeance.

In the climactic Episode III scene, Vader stands impotent to the Emperor's crackling lightning storm assault of his son Luke, The internal conflict seethes within him until, in a SILENT moment of brute strength and paternal love, he hoists Emperor Palpatine over his head and chucks him into the abyss. His decision to triumph over his blackened heart needs no emphasizing underscore. Two-year-olds comprehend his dilemma and need no further explanation. Now he screams "NO"—twice!

And a second audio change has been discovered, the switching of Ben Kenobi's Krayt dragon call in Star Wars during the Tusken Raider trashing of Luke's landspeeder. The 2004 edition altered it from a dewbacks wail to a shriller alarm. Huh?

Here's the leaked audio clips synched with existing video of both. Check out the needless aberrations ...



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This endless manipulation to account for every imaginable continuity error or emotional motivation is something that will be debated for decades. Lucas began these alterations with the 1997 special edition release of Star Wars: A New Hope at a cost of $10 million. Its original budget was only $11 million in 1976! The changes continued to appease political correctness, trilogy flow errors and his sense of completing the films as he intended and envisioned, even though he only directed one of the first three Star Wars movies.

Destruction of the organic nature of the holy trilogies seems to be causing a major disruption of the force, namely the galaxy of fans who are being robbed of viewing the films as they were presented in the theaters, products of their time, glories and gaffes and all. This incessant polishing and tweaking brings to mind shades of the superstitious Sara Winchester and the endless construction of her obsessive Winchester Mystery House. What do the spirits foretell for the Lucas Empire?

There's a disconnection somewhere. We like the puppets, we like the disco-era explosions in space. They're an integral part of the nostalgia and natural fabric of the film, the imperfect connection that surrounds us and penetrates us like Obi Wan's hokey religion.

Lucas claims the other, older versions will disappear, leaving only these DVD versions for people to remember 100 from now. What about our generations, the ones that etched Star Wars into our collective culture and made many rich beyond belief?

The 9-disc Star Wars: The Complete Saga Blu-ray box set will offer full 1080p video presentations of the films, DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 surround tracks and over 40 hours of special features, including never-before-seen content from the legendary Lucasfilm archives. No doubt the collection will be an instant success and must-have HD goodie of the year.

Some changes are a necessary good. Okay, the revamped Wampa creature was bloody cool in The Empire Strikes Back. No argument there. But there must be some limit to the madness. Some restraint for the sake of the children ... and adults.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on August 31, 2011, 12:25:58 PM
Nothing Lucas does shocks me anymore.
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 31, 2011, 10:47:31 PM
Finally, I will buy these for the first and only time.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 31, 2011, 10:48:04 PM
You're a traitor to us all, Reggie.
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 31, 2011, 10:49:04 PM
Hey, I'm all for Han fired first and all that, but this is HD Star Wars!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 31, 2011, 10:51:21 PM
I"ll bet you hate kittens too.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 31, 2011, 10:59:55 PM
But I love Ewoks!
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Post by: Cassander on September 01, 2011, 12:32:49 AM
So, the "No!" isn't really that bad.  it's not "the" NOOOooooo...still, what the fuck?  I think that's more of a 60 year old saying "fuck you guys" than an attempt to make the movie better.  let's not forget that Lucas has people around him all the time going, "That's a great idea, George!" People who are 20 years younger than he is.  People who should be shot dead while they're walking home from the grocery store. 

The dragon call?  Who gives a fuck?  I always thought the original was horrible.  what they really need to do to make the original movie better is cut about a third of Luke's dialogue. 

Hell, at about this point in my life I'd be interested in a Matrix makeover that attempted to update it's horrible lines and SFX.
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Post by: nacho on September 01, 2011, 08:05:13 AM
Hell, at about this point in my life I'd be interested in a Matrix makeover that attempted to update it's horrible lines and SFX.

Thank you! I sometimes feel like I'm the only person on Earth who thinks the Matrix isn't all that.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 01, 2011, 09:20:05 AM
Where am I ? Who are you people? What happened to my pants?
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Post by: RottingCorpse on September 01, 2011, 01:24:18 PM
Geek rage bit of the day...

http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-speaks-altering-films-1988 (http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-speaks-altering-films-1988)

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George Lucas Speaks Out Against Altering Films in 1988

In the 1980s, a controversy swirled in Hollywood when there was a notion to colorize black and white films. The issue made it all the way in front of Congress due in large part to the passionate backing of several important filmmakers. Eventually, their efforts helped to establish the National Film Registry which, to this day, takes historically significant films and preserves them in their natural state forever.

On March 3, 1988, George Lucas was one of those filmmakers who spoke in front of Congress. The same George Lucas who, in the two decades since, has continually tinkered with his signature Star Wars films from the Special Editions through the prequels and right up to the Blu-rays, which caused massive mainstream controversy this week due to new changes including a digital Yoda and Darth Vader’s new dialogue. But on that day, 23 years ago, Lucas delivered a rousing speech that condemned exactly what he’d end up doing himself.

After the jump, read George Lucas’ passionate words against George Lucas.

Thanks to the website SaveStarWars.com for this speech. Ladies and gentleman, here’s George Lucas:

My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.

I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I’ve come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.

The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.

A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as “when life begins” or “when it should be appropriately terminated,” but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,” or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new “original” negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.

I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.

I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.

The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.

There are those who say American law is sufficient. That’s an outrage! It’s not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of “The Maltese Falcon?” Why are films cut up and butchered?

Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.

I hope you have the courage to lead America in acknowledging the importance of American art to the human race, and accord the proper protection for the creators of that art–as it is accorded them in much of the rest of the world communities.

The important thing to note about this is that Lucas is talking largely about the rights of the author to claim their work which, of course, he has as Star Wars is his work.

So while there is hypocrisy in his words, the fact is his words still give him – the author – the right to do what he wants.

(Note: I changed a bit of the wording at the end as I wasn’t using the correct phrasing. I think the point remains intact.)

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on September 02, 2011, 10:06:37 PM
I think that's a pretty weak point. It's not Lucas railing against changing film, it's an argument for not changing an artist's work without consent. In fact the dude says this at the end. But hey, if you google "George Lucas against changing films"...this is probably a hit.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 05, 2011, 08:08:11 AM
I watched The People vs George Lucas last night and the whole damn movie is summed up in a 20 second scene where they run down the list of special editions of great movies and note that every single one, when released on DVD, travels with the original version. Even in cases where the creator hates the version (such as Gilliam and Brazil).

Kind of a preaching to the choir thing at this point. I think even the apologists agree that Lucas is off the rails.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 12, 2011, 04:28:45 PM
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What if Dr. Seuss Created 'Star Wars'?

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/12/03/dr-seuss-star-wars/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/12/03/dr-seuss-star-wars/)
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 11, 2012, 05:57:37 PM
The Anti-Plinkett... It's an interesting argument.

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/why-star-wars-prequels-better-original-trilogy-160300514.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/why-star-wars-prequels-better-original-trilogy-160300514.html)

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Why the 'Star Wars' Prequels Are Better Than the Original Trilogy

It verges on cinematic treason to suggest that the "Star Wars" prequel trilogy is in any way superior to the original trilogy. However, history has proved that treasonous behavior is just as often necessary to stimulate progressive revolution as it is to endow malevolent forces with unrestricted authority necessary to obstruct basic human rights. So here goes: the first three episodes in the saga of Anakin Skywalker are deeper, better structured, and more politically astute than the final three. Not only is that why the prequel is superior, it is also a pretty decent elucidation of the original trilogy's greater popularity.

That the "Star Wars" trilogy embraced by American moviegoers is the one that presents a far less complex universe is not incidental to the rabid rebuke of the prequel. "A New Hope," "The Empire Strikes Back," and "Return of the Jedi" reflect the Cold War milieu in which they were created, offering up a comforting us-vs.-them story told in bold strokes lacking nuance, complexity, or intellectual ambiguity. That isn't to say that times have changed much; with the exception of "The Phantom Menace," the second and third installments of the prequel were released to an America that had embraced absolute views even more so than the original trilogy.

The difference is that the original trilogy appealed directly to the simplistic moral perspective of an America above reproach and always on the side of right in global geopolitics, whereas the much more subversive prequel trilogy stands in defiant counterpoint to the much more dangerously simplistic moral absolutism of the Age of Bush.

The original trilogy holds a special place in the bosom of American moviegoers precisely because we view ourselves comfortably in place of the Rebels. Americans revel in their historical construct as rebellious underdogs constantly at war against an easily identified and unquestionably evil empire. Hence, the reason most Americans love the original trilogy has much to do with placement of ourselves in the role of the inheritors of the mantle of the Jedi.

The problem is that the post-9/11 world meant Americans also were forced to identify themselves with the Jedi in the prequel trilogy as well, and we don't like the face we see in the mirror. Let's face it, the Jedi don't exactly come off too swell in the prequel. This time around they are the guys in charge, and it is painful to watch them screw it up, especially when the way they hand over the keys to the Empire is so eerily familiar to a historical era defined by words like "signing statements" and "Patriot Act."

Just in case you didn't notice in your rush to castigate Jar-Jar Binks and complain about the wooden dialogue of the prequel, the peaceful Galactic Republic in place at the beginning of "The Phantom Menace" doesn't turn into the dark empire in place at the beginning of "A New Hope" due to an invasion by a foreign element. The Republic falls as a result of due democratic process, albeit due democratic process that is manipulated through lies and deception. Again, sound familiar?

Watching the "Stars Wars" prequel trilogy is like the most entertaining lesson in civics ever given -- specifically the way it reveals how even a republic peopled by representative leaders with the best of intentions can make decisions that result in disastrous policies, accompanied by devastation and the crumbling of great ideas. Yoda's observations about anger, hate, fear, and suffering are not said lightly; they may be the most prescient words spoken by a movie character in recent memory.

Not much less important is another quote associated with "The Phantom Menace," a quote that hasn't proved anywhere near as memorable as Yoda's but nonetheless plays a huge part in the events that will follow. Chances are you don't even remember these words of Darth Maul: "Fear is my ally." One can well imagine that slogan scrawled across the office walls of men like Scooter Libby and tattooed across the back of Dick Cheney.

Nowhere in the original "Star Wars" trilogy is there any sequence of events nearly as profound in their application to real life as Palpatine's manipulative orchestration of the separatist movement "headed" by Count Dooku. Palpatine's nefarious scripting of events allows him to go before the senate and ask for special "emergency powers" to deal with the growing threat facing the peace of the republic. Perhaps if Americans had embraced the prequel in the way they did the original "Star Wars" trilogy, they would recognize the danger when an elected member of a representative republic asks for "emergency powers" to combat a threat.

Palpatine's actions in the prequel are positively Machiavellian, and his evil in those first three movies is far more chilling than his appearances as the emperor in the original trilogy. In those movies, Palpatine is so far removed from us we can only approach him from the perspective of a Hitler. We must always remember that Hitler didn't ascend to dictator by using tanks, but the ballot box.

Just as Palpatine is far more chilling as a politician abusing the system than he is as an emperor in comprehensively malevolent control, so is Anakin Skywalker far more chilling as a powerless pawn than he is as powerful Darth Vader. No more alarming scene exists in the entire "Star Wars" canon than the political conversation that takes place in "Attack of the Clones" between Anakin and Amidala when the boy-who-would-be Vader suggests the system is broken and needs to be replaced with something where one person in charge has the power to enforce laws he feels are for the good of the people. Amidala replies, rightfully, that what Anakin is talking about sounds like a dictatorship. And then these all-too-familiar words from Anakin: "Well, if it works."

Anakin's justification that if authoritarian control works in keeping us safe was being repeated on a daily basis by those in charge at the very time the scene was being projected onto multiplex screens around the world. Too many Anakin Skywalkers existed then and, amazingly, exist right now in this country who are far too eager to give up hard-earned civil rights for the illusion of security. And it is the very fact that one can write about Anakin without calling him either evil or good that elevates the prequel above the original. Try naming a single character in the original trilogy that can attain such an authentic level of ambiguity.

There is absolutely no element or character in the original trilogy that isn't delineated in stark black and white terms. Episodes IV through VI tell a much happier story, one that is consistent with the birth of the American democracy through acts of rebellion by a ragtag group of people who held the moral high ground. Episodes I through III, by contrast, tell a much less happy story about how a democracy can come to an end -- not at the hands of foreign interlopers, but directly through the democratic process itself. More people may prefer the original "Star Wars" trilogy, but there is no question that the prequel is a more challenging, illuminating, and superior work of art.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Cassander on February 12, 2012, 01:38:17 AM
I don't even know what to say.  That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.  I can only hope it was a college entrance essay for some kid hoping to be a mixed media major at a community college.  
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 12, 2012, 05:36:07 PM
Yeah... Ugh.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 12, 2012, 05:52:59 PM
I'm always looking for ways to apologize for Lucas.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 12, 2012, 10:42:07 PM
I took the kids to see Episode I in 3D yesterday. It still had Jar-Jar Binks. So...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 13, 2012, 07:35:12 AM
Do you feel dirty...but in a whole new dimension?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 13, 2012, 08:45:22 PM
It was very long and boring. At least the first time there was some thrill of seeing new content after all those years.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 14, 2012, 07:48:24 AM
Come on! You weren't dying to see the pod race again?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 14, 2012, 09:27:04 AM
That, in particular, is one of the longest and slowest "action" sequences of any film ever!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 14, 2012, 10:20:06 AM
And you're telling me Jar Jar in 3D wasn't exhilarating?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 14, 2012, 02:46:11 PM
Was it like this?

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 14, 2012, 03:14:48 PM
I think that's one of the few times I was not able to fall down a Youtube hole. They don't have a bunch of Honest Trailers?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 14, 2012, 03:23:26 PM
Not yet...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on February 15, 2012, 01:51:12 AM
When will George Lucas stop making himself look like a stupid, retarded cunt?

Also, that 'anti-Plinkett' argument is nonsense; like arguing rape is positive because the rapist needs to release stress.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 15, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
When will George Lucas stop making himself look like a stupid, retarded cunt?


When he dies. We've all seen something by now charting the terrifying breadth of his twisted commercialism. He's been doing this type of bullshit since 1977, the technology and his clout just makes it more obvious and concentrated these days.

We're dealing with a broken-down hack who happened to somewhat successfully modernize the old school sci-fi serials, was, thankfully, taken off the board for the sequel, and then almost fucked up everything in Jedi. So it's no surprise he's ended up a monster...he always was one! He just didn't have the power to act on it.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 15, 2012, 11:01:46 AM
Have you ever watched the BTS stuff for Phantom Menace? Plinkett references some of it is his reviews, but  as a whole it's terrifying... he's surrounded himself with yes men.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 15, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
He's had to... Because, in the 70's and 80's, he was always on the defensive. Because he's a lunatic.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 16, 2012, 01:32:15 PM
Been rewatching the Plinkett reviews. Just finished the Episode II one, and now I want to drink for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 25, 2012, 11:11:27 PM
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 04, 2012, 05:29:38 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-edited-star-wars-prequels-85minute-movie/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-edited-star-wars-prequels-85minute-movie/)

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Topher Grace Edited The ‘Star Wars’ Prequels Into One 85-Minute Movie and We Saw It

Last month I received a cryptic e-mail inviting me to a private screening of a new Star Wars film edited by Topher Grace — which is funny because I had no idea there was a new Star Wars film in the works, with or without Grace’s involvement. I was told the screening was a secret private event arranged only for friends only and was asked not to talk about it beforehand. The event was held somewhere in the Hollywood area in a a screening room filled with filmmakers, editors, actors, actresses and only a few press friends. I was told I could blog about it afterwards if I wanted, so here goes…

For those of you who don’t know, Topher Grace is a film geek. He loves the Star Wars films, the Back to the Future movies and all the same signature titles of any film geek who grew up in the 1980s. He recently became interested in the editing process and wanted to learn more about the art form. Instead of cutting a short film, he wanted to use something he was more familiar with.

His idea was to edit the Star Wars prequels into one movie, as they would provide him a lot of footage to work with. He used footage from all three prequels, a couple cuts from the original trilogy, some music from The Clone Wars television series, and even a dialogue bit from Anthony Daniels’ (C-3PO) audio book recordings. He even created a new opening text crawl to set up his version of the story.

The result is an 85-minute movie titled Star Wars: Episode III.5: The Editor Strikes Back. It should be noted that the Star Wars prequel trilogy is almost 7 hours in total length, and the shortest film (Episode 1) is more than 51 minutes longer than Grace’s fan cut. What this means is a lot of footage ended up on the editing room floor, and a lot of creative choices were made in the editing process. And the result? Topher Grace’s Star Wars film is probably the best possible edit of the Star Wars prequels given the footage released and available.

Whats most shocking is that with only 85 minutes of footage, Topher was able to completely tell the main narrative of Anakin Skywalker’s road from Jedi to the Sith. While I know the missing pieces and could even fill in the blanks in my head as the film raced past, none of those points were really needed. Whats better is that the character motivations are even more clear and identifiable, a real character arc not bogged down by podraces, galactic senates, Jar Jar Binks, politics or most of the needless parts of the Star Wars prequels. It not only clarifies the story, but makes the film a lot more action-packed.

The screening last night was a private gathering of Topher’s industry friends — a event that feels like it will surely become part of Hollywood quasi-urban legend. I wish you all could see Topher’s version of the Star Wars prequels, but we were told that this would be the one and only time he would screen his cut. Of course, there are tremendous legal issues which would prevent him from screening the edit in public. He has no intention of uploading the footage online, and doing a screening at, say, Comic-Con, would require uncle George’s permission — which probably would never happen.

I will give you a rundown of what appeared and didn’t appear in Topher’s film below, but you’ll find that Grace was able to do a lot by removing just a few central aspects of the prequels: the politics, the clone storyline, and the majority of Phantom Menace. Scenes were also cleverly trimmed to get to the point and remove the fluff.

The opening crawl establishes that assassins have been after the queen and Jedis have been sent to intervene.  Topher’s version begins with Episode I’s climactic lightsaber fight between Darth Maul (Ray Park), Qui-Gon Jinn (Liam Neeson), and Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor), bypassing the majority of Phantom Menace completely. Starting the story in the middle of this fight was a brilliant choice. Qui-Gon’s dying request that Obi-Wan train Anakin perfectly sets up the story.

Grace’s version of the film(s) centers on Anakin’s training and friendship with Obi-Wan, and his relationship with Queen Amidala (Natalie Portman). Gone are Trade Federation blockades, the Gungan city, the whole Padmé handmaiden storyline, the explanation of midichlorians, the galactic senate and the boring politics, Anakin’s origins (a backstory which never really needed to be seen in the first place), the droid army’s attack on Naboo, and Jar Jar Binks (Ahmed Best) appears only briefly for only one line of dialogue, used as a set-up to introduce us to the Queen.

The first time we see Anakin, he is grown up and played by Hayden Christensen (Jake Lloyd never appears in this version). Kenobi and Skywalker are assigned to protect Amidala from additional assassination attempts. This leads us quickly into the chase to capture the assassin in the skies of Coruscant. Anakin is assigned to accompany Padmé to her home planet of Naboo. Unlike George’s version, Obi-Wan doesn’t discover an army of clone troopers on Kamino, but instead stumbles upon Count Dooku’s motives.

While the Clone troopers make a couple short appearances in this version of the film, the word “clone” is only used once, and the whole storyline is almost completely cut from the story. Jango Fett makes only a small appearance, and his son Boba Fett is left on the cutting room floor. Anakin returns to Tatooine and finds his mother tortured to death by the Tusken Raiders, but gone is the laughable aftermath.

Padmé and Anakin’s love story is given more of a central spotlight, incorporating a deleted scene of a dinner with her family on Naboo. While the dialogue still sucks, and the romantic scenes are still a bit cheesy, I was left caring way more about this relationship than I was in the original prequels. The arena scene is still included, but shortened.

And just like that, we’re already into episode 3. In this section, Topher has removed General Grievous.

Padme tells Anakin that she’s pregnant.  The Jedi Council orders Anakin to secretly monitor Palpatine and denies him the rank of Jedi Master. Anakin is frustrated with the Jedi and gets closer to Palpatine. He tells Anakin that the Dark Side of the force has the ability to prevent death. Anakin reports him to the Jedi Council, who doesn’t trust him to come along for the arrest. Palpatine/Sidious battles Jedi Master Mace Windu (Samuel L Jackson), Anakin shows up and turns on his old master to become an apprentice to Darth Sidious. Sidious issues Order 66 across the galaxy, and almost all the Jedi are killed.

Obi-Wan informs Padmé that Anakin has joined the dark side. She travels to Mustafar to confront him, and realizes that Obi-Wan was telling the truth. Obi-Wan was able to hide aboard her ship, but Anakin believes that she brought him there to kill him. Anakin and Obi-Wan have their lightsaber battle in the middle of a lava flow, ending with Vader diced and burnt. Yoda and the Emperor have their lightsaber duel. Sidious finds Vader in time to save him, and Padmé gives birth to twins — but not intercut.

The twins find their respective homes, Yoda goes into exile on Dagobah, the droids’ memories are erased, and the film ends with Anakin being turned into Darth Vader. The last shot features Vader’s helmet being lowered down onto Anakin, creating the most iconic villain. And we are left on that dark note.

Yoda doesn’t teach Obi-Wan how to return from the netherworld to see Qui-Gon, and we don’t see Darth Vader learn of Padmé’s death — which also means we don’t see the resulting infamous laughable temper tantrum “Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!”

Topher Grace’s Star Wars fan edit is an interesting experiment. You have to understand that Grace can only use the footage available to him, so some of the same problems exist that plagued the original films: some of the dialogue remains laughably bad, and you can’t change some of the stilted performances and stiff framing. I have seen a few of the other fan edits that have been online, including the famous Phantom Edit — and this is probably the best of the bunch. I’m not sure if it turns the saga into a great film, but its certainly a lot more entertaining.

Before the film screened a trailer for another film Topher Grace is remixing — Steven Spielberg‘s Close Encounters of a Third Kind. I’m not sure that film needs a remix, or could even benefit from a remix, but am interested to see what the experiment will look like. After that, Grace hopes that other actors, editors and filmmakers will run with the ball, produce and showcase remixed films on a annual basis within this private community.

Jason Reitman has been directing live stage reads of classic film screenplays at LACMA, showing how a filmmaker can make different choices with an interesting cast can completely change a written screenplay. This seems like the next evolution of that, but also an exercise in storytelling with the use of crafty editing. I’m not sure I completely understand Grace’s motives in creating this film, but I enjoyed it regardless.

After the screening, I recorded a video blog reaction with Frosty from Collider, Alex from FirstShowing and Fanboys director Kyle Newman. Frosty and Kyle get into a fun spat over the overall quality of the Star Wars prequels:

http://vimeo.com/38080625 (http://vimeo.com/38080625)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 05, 2012, 05:03:50 PM
Slow entertainment news day....

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Rick McCallum On The STAR WARS UNDERWORLD TV Series - 'these are like DEADWOOD in space'!!

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/rick-mccallum/21562/rick-mccallum-interview-dennis-potter-star-wars-tv-series-george-lucas-red-tails (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/rick-mccallum/21562/rick-mccallum-interview-dennis-potter-star-wars-tv-series-george-lucas-red-tails)

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"The episodes are too expensive and…well, we’ve got two things going on. Firstly, we’ve got television as we know it about to implode. You’ve got network TV, which is really where we should be because it has the dollars to pay for this and an audience, but you’re burdened by the fact you only get 42 minutes for an hour because of commercials. And then you’ve got cable, which has the most provocative and daring programming, but has audiences of 1 or 2 million people. They also have a very limited amount of money they can spend without wanting some sort of say or control over the material, which is absolutely repugnant to us in terms of the way we work."

[EDIT]

"Our biggest problem is that these stories are adult. I mean…these are like Deadwood in space. It so unlike anything you’ve ever associated with George before in relation to Star Wars. These aren’t for kids."
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 05, 2012, 05:53:46 PM
Yeah... back to my blackout.

http://blastr.com/2012/05/lucas-leaves-lucasfilm-to.php (http://blastr.com/2012/05/lucas-leaves-lucasfilm-to.php)

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George Lucas leaves Lucasfilm to 'retire to my garage'

George Lucas has been threatening for years to leave his Lucasfilm empire behind and go back to making the kind of independent movies he started his career with. Well, it looks like this time he really means it.

Lucas has said for some time now that once the Star Wars prequels were done, he intended to get back to making smaller, more experimental films—which is the way he began his career decades ago out of USC's film school, with the low-budget sci-fi entry THX-1138.

It's been seven years since Star Wars: Episode III—Revenge of the Sith came out, and now it seems that ol' George is finally acting on his intentions. In a new interview with Empire magazine, he said he was "moving away" from Lucasfilm and his other concerns:

    "I'm moving away from the company, I'm moving away from all my businesses, I'm finishing all my obligations and I'm going to retire to my garage with my saw and hammer and build hobby movies. I've always wanted to make movies that were more experimental in nature, and not have to worry about them showing in movie theatres."

What is left unmentioned is the fate of several in-development projects: the rumored Star Wars live-action TV series and the fifth Indiana Jones movie. While we reckon that Lucas could leave the TV show in the hands of others at Lucasfilm, it's less certain if Harrison Ford and Steven Spielberg would want to move forward on Indy V without their collaborator. Then again, it was Lucas who pushed for the premise of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, so they might just be better off.

Do you think Lucas is really going to retire and make little art films? More importantly, should he, if only to clear his head, get his filmmaking mojo back and perhaps let others bring some fresh ideas to Lucasfilm?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 25, 2012, 06:54:49 AM
I... it... but... What's happening?

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on August 25, 2012, 08:21:19 AM
What worries me is that I sort of enjoyed it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 25, 2012, 12:46:48 PM
Me too.

*SHAME*
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 18, 2012, 02:33:15 AM
Amazing....

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on September 18, 2012, 07:31:53 AM
I could watch a whole movie of that.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on October 30, 2012, 06:02:18 PM
So...Disney just bought Lucasfilm for 4 billion dollars and is making Episode 7.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd-195100740.html
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 30, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
I was just coming to post this.

This is good thing, right? It gives others the opportunity to play in the Star Wars universe. Or has Lucas only passed on the golden goose once he'd irrevocably poisoned it?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 30, 2012, 07:15:38 PM
This news hit me, as well, via other means. Episodes 7-9 and a new Star Wars universe movie every 2-3 year. And they got the rights to Indy.

I'll tell you if it's a good thing or not after episode 7.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 30, 2012, 07:22:00 PM
Lucas sounds like he's going to cry.

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Post by: monkey! on October 30, 2012, 11:06:37 PM
Pffft, like Disney's been great these last ten years.

Now we'll have the legacy of a nazi-sympathizing pedophile touching the legacy of an egotistical madman.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on October 30, 2012, 11:16:36 PM
Now we'll have the legacy of a nazi-sympathizing pedophile touching the legacy of an egotistical madman.

Sounds great!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on October 30, 2012, 11:20:51 PM
I'll bring Kleenex.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 31, 2012, 11:21:01 AM
If those sequels aren't in the field by mid day, there'll be hell to pay.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2012, 11:06:00 AM
The Episode VII rumors are rampant. I think I'm going to have to ignore Star Wars news for the next few years.

This little ditty was stolen from AICN.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59411 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59411)

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In case you haven’t seen it yet, I figured I’d forward my silly little theory from the talkbacks that Damon Lindelof and Brad Bird might be the writer/director team for Star Wars Episode 7.

My theory...

Damon Lindelof and Brad Bird are already set-up as the writer/director team for Star Wars Episode 7.

The reason for this speculation is that there was a spec script project called 1952 that Damon Lindelof sold to Disney recently (see link below).

http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/brad-bird-set-to-direct-damon-lindelofs-1952-not-1906-for-disney/

Some specifics from the First Showing article that might point to my theory:

"Brad Bird and fan-favorite film writer Damon Lindelof are teaming up for a new project at Disney. Bird, coming off of his first live-action with Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol, is set to direct the mysterious large scale sci-fi project 1952. Whether that's just a codename or an actual year related to the story, we're not yet sure, but the project "has multi-platform aspirations" meaning Disney wants it for theme parks, retail stores and theaters. It'll no doubt be a "big tentpole" movie, and with these two storytellers leading the way, it is definitely something to watch for."

So in addition to the new Star Wars films, we have theme park and retail store aspirations? I don't know about you, but this sounds like it could be the next phase of Star Wars via the Disney model.

Again from First Showing:

"Now we know that Brad Bird is definitely on-board to direct, but other than that, still no plot details. Anyone? It sounds like Disney has something on their hands that could be huge, and they're making sure to build it from the ground up properly, with the right talent top to bottom. I just wish we knew any extra details about what it was actually about."

My theory is that 1952 is a codename for Star Wars episode 7, 8, and 9. Just as Blue Harvest was used as a working title to throw the media off when Return of the Jedi was in production.

So why this mysterious project known as 1952 though? Because the title alone seems to refer to the year 1952, just as titles like Kubrick's landmark of science fiction 2001: A Space Odyssey or Wong-kar Wai's romantic sci-fi piece 2046 refer to specific years in which the films take place. What happened in 1952 then that makes this seem logical? What I think is the obvious event is an incident where supposedly some UFOs “buzzed the tower” Maverick and Goose style if you will, over Washington D.C between the days of July 19–20 and July 26–27.  This incident, known as the Washington flap, is precisedly the type of project that a writer like Damon Lindelof would seem to be interested in (retro, sci-fi, conspiracy theory-laden, and infused with the American mythology of the UFO phenomenon). Disney’s 1952, if it is actually about this supposed UFO fly-over of Washington DC, sounds interesting. Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing this type of 1950’s UFO paranoia done up in big budget Hollywood style via Brad Bird. The thing is, could it be that Disney, Lucas, Lindelof, and Bird needed a really good cover story to mask their involvement with brand spanking new Star Wars? I think this could very well be a ruse not unlike the Blue Harvest concept, which was very thorough in covering up the production of Return of the Jedi.

Another factor is that Mark Hamill was born on September 25th of 1951. I'm guessing that since this story will probably have Luke as the Obi-Wan type of mentor as many around the world are suggesting, that it was a cute little Lindelofian trick to throw people by having the fake title be of a year so close to both Luke Skywalker's birthday and the implication of a possible movie connection to the Washington D.C. UFO fly-over. Lindelof and Disney figured it would be a better ruse to switch the year of this fictitious film from 1951 to 1952, so as to steer speculation towards the UFO fly-by concept.

Oh, and we can’t forget that Qui-Gon, I mean Liam Neeson, was born in 1952. Perhaps a connection, or maybe I’ve watched Aliens too many times and the ping ping ping of the motion tracker has driven me insane?

Again, they're already setting up a whole trilogy that kicks off in 2015, which unless Star Wars Episode 7 is a holiday theatrical release ala Bond or The Hobbit, that leaves only about two-and-a-half years for Disney and the new Kathleen Kennedy captained Lucasfilm to get a script finished to a polished state, put into production, posted (in 3D), and released. For all we know, it is likely that the script has been written and polished and Brad Bird is directing while Lindelof is involved in some capacity as a producer at this point. Pre-production could very well be underway if we look at this current time table of about two years from now as a release date. We're at the end of October 2012. Let's say Star Wars episode 7 is going to be released in the middle of summer, say mid-July. That leaves only two more months for 2012 (minus a couple weeks for all the holiday loss of productivity). Then another 28-30 months if they were to release in mid-July 2015. After all, you’ve got to leave time for prints and marketing and director and writer/producer hyping and interviews). Even if Disney throws money at this, it is not something they will take lightly, as getting Episode 7 drastically wrong will be a huge problem for them and future plans to grow Star Wars into an even bigger cash-eating wormhole, er, I mean fiscally sound investment in intellectual property.

So I'd say this also could explain how Disney already has the basics worked out in terms of being able to announce Episodes 7-9 and more Star Wars films after those every two to three years apart. I wager that Lindelof sat down with George Lucas months ago after his Prometheus work ended, and hashed out the basic story structure for this new trilogy, and perhaps even some of the ideas for stuff that comes after. Just like he sat alongside Ridley Scott and rewrote John Spaihts' Alien Engineers* script, which became a film many of us talkbackers love to bitch and moan about, Prometheus.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 01, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-deal-george-lucas-will-384947 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-deal-george-lucas-will-384947)

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George Lucas Will Use Disney $4 Billion to Fund Education
Spokesperson for Lucasfilm tells THR the majority of the sale price will go toward educational philanthropy.

By the end of the year, the $4.05 billion sale of Lucasfilm to Disney should be finalized. And since George Lucas owns 100 percent of his company - which has little to no debt - all that money goes to him.

After that, Lucas plans to quickly put the bulk of the money into a foundation which will primarily focus on educational issues, a spokesperson for Lucasfilm tells THR.

“George Lucas has expressed his intention, in the event the deal closes, to donate the majority of the proceeds to his philanthropic endeavors.”

It's not yet clear which foundation will get the proceeds. Lucas is currently the chairman of Edutopia, which is part of the George Lucas Educational Foundation. He could put money into that or create a new foundation which would be funded from the sale.

The Foundation was the vehicle Lucas used to make a $175 million donation to his alma mater USC in 2006. He has also given to many other causes over the years including the Film Foundation, Stand Up To Cancer and the Make-A-Wish Foundation.

“For 41 years, the majority of my time and money has been put into the company,” Lucas said in a statement Wednesday. “As I start a new chapter in my life, it is gratifying that I have the opportunity to devote more time and resources to philanthropy.”

The spokesperson noted that this “announcement continues a commitment that Lucas made in 2010 to The Giving Pledge where he stated,  “I am dedicating the majority of my wealth to improving education.  It is the key to the survival of the human race.  We have to plan for our collective future—and the first step begins with social, emotional, and intellectual tools we provide to our children.  As humans, our greatest tool for survival is our ability to think and to adapt—as educators, storytellers, and communicators our responsibility is to continue to do so.’”

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on November 01, 2012, 10:27:27 PM
Star Wars has already been ruined beyond redemption by that cunt, Lucas.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 06, 2012, 03:32:18 PM
This thread will become absolutely ridiculous over the next few years.

http://collider.com/star-wars-episode-7-matthew-vaughn/208715/ (http://collider.com/star-wars-episode-7-matthew-vaughn/208715/)

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Is Matthew Vaughn in Talks to Direct STAR WARS: EPISODE VII?

Over the past seven years, Collider’s track record has been pretty good.  The reason is, before we run any “scoop,” we always make sure to double source it so we know the information is accurate.  However, the story we are about to run has not been confirmed, and I want to make sure everyone knows this is not 100%.  I only decided to run this because I trust my sources and it’s Star Wars.  In addition, while I spent all weekend trying to lock this story down, all my normal connections would not go on record (or they did not know), so this is going up as a “rumor” and “unconfirmed.”

Now that I’ve warned you this is just a “rumor”….

I’m hearing that Matthew Vaughn, the director of Kick-Ass, Stardust, Layer Cake, and X-Men: First Class, is in talks with Lucasfilm to helm Star Wars: Episode VII.  My sources tell me this is the main reason he dropped out of the X-Men sequel (which Bryan Singer is now directing).  Hit the jump for more.

As most of you know, last week Disney bought Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion dollars and they also announced a 2015 release date for Star Wars: Episode VII.  Seconds after the deal was announced, a bunch of interviews were released featuring Disney CEO Bob Iger and George Lucas talking about the business deal, and Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy and Lucas discussing Star Wars: Episode VII and revealing that they’ve already met with writers for the new film. It was clear that this deal has been in the works for awhile.

As such, it makes a lot of sense that while we only just heard this news, behind-the-scenes Lucasfilm has been working hard to land a director to helm the new installment.

Now you have to ask yourself, why would Vaughn abruptly drop out of helming the X-Men sequel when the head of 20th Century Fox (Tom Rothman) is leaving the studio?  After all, while Rothman helped make some great movies over the past few years, he’s also known as a micro-manager that can rub some filmmakers the wrong way.  With Rothman out, I imagine Vaughn would have had more creative control on the sequel and it would have been an easier film to make.

But if Lucasfilm offered Vaughn the keys to Star Wars, that’s something he’d likely jump ship for.

While many of you might be wondering if Vaughn can handle directing a Star Wars movie, I really think he’s a great choice.  After all, he made a fantastic X-Men movie that successfully rebooted the franchise, his work with a limited budget on Kick-Ass was also great, and Stardust proved he can make one hell of an adventure film.

In addition, Vaughn is a writer.  He worked on the scripts for X-Men: First Class, The Debt, Stardust and Kick-Ass (with Jane Goldman) so if he ends up directing Star Wars, we’d also be getting someone that could solve script issues on set.  It’d be great if he could convince Goldman to come onboard as well.

So is Vaughn lining up to direct the full new trilogy or just the first film?  I have no idea.  But I’d imagine if this deal does happen, it would be similar to the one Marc Webb has on Spider-Man, which is they’ll do it on a film by film basis, with the assumption that if the first film is a success and he wants to come back, he could.

Anyway, as I have already said many times, for now Vaughn directing Star Wars is just a “rumor.”  I’d imagine after this posts, it’ll either be confirmed or it will blow up in my face.  I’m hoping it’s true.

This is the most excited I’ve been for Star Wars since 1998 and I honestly cannot wait to see the new movie in 2015.  What about you?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2012, 03:47:29 PM
We just have to prep ourselves for three years of replies using:

 :fuckyou:

and:

 this movie needs sam neill

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 06, 2012, 03:49:33 PM
Sam Neill in Star Wars = *SPLOOGE*

Onward though....

If I was Ford's agent, I'd fence sit until Disney threw a ton of money at me.

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Harrison Ford Game For Playing Han Solo In Star Wars Again (Report)

Dust off the Millennium Falcon and wake up Chewbacca, Han Solo could be battling the Empire once again!

Following the announcement of the plans for "Star Wars Episode 7" from Disney last week, a report has surfaced claiming that Harrison Ford is game to play Han Solo once again.

"Harrison is open to the idea of doing the movie and he's upbeat about it, all three of them are," an Entertainment Weekly source claimed, referring to the 70-year-old actor, along with his original "Star Wars" co-stars Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher.

Though just two years ago, the actor wasn't exactly singing the praises of the space-smuggler-turned-rebel hero.

"As a character he was not so interesting to me," the actor told ABC News in 2010 when asked about Han Solo.

Adding, "I thought he should have died in the last one to give it some bottom... George didn't think there was any future in dead Han toys."
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2012, 03:52:51 PM
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"Harrison is open to the idea of doing the movie and he's upbeat about it, all three of them are," an Entertainment Weekly source claimed, referring to the 70-year-old actor, along with his original "Star Wars" co-stars Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher.

 :fuckyou:
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on November 06, 2012, 07:48:27 PM
I saw that Mark Hamill was super excited about it. Which, of course, he would be giving that it would be the first thing he's been in since fucking Return of the Jedi.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
I saw that Mark Hamill was super excited about it. Which, of course, he would be giving that it would be the first thing he's been in since fucking Return of the Jedi.

Spoken like a man who has never gotten drunk and high and watched Slipstream.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on November 06, 2012, 09:03:43 PM
Only the last one.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 10, 2012, 03:07:42 PM
I hate myself a little bit each time I update this thread.

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Michael Arndt to Write Screenplay for Star Wars: Episode VII

November 09, 2012

As pre-production of Star Wars: Episode VII begins, Lucasfilm has confirmed that award-winning writer Michael Arndt will write the screenplay for the new Star Wars film. As revealed in the ongoing video series posted here on StarWars.com, Kathleen Kennedy and George Lucas have begun story conferences with Arndt. Arndt won an Academy Award® for Best Original Screenplay for writing Little Miss Sunshine (2006), and was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay for writing Toy Story 3 (2010).

For more news about Star Wars: Episode VII -- slated for a 2015 release -- keep checking StarWars.com.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 11, 2012, 06:59:19 AM
I don't mind Arndt being on board.

I mean, come on, this is going to be a disaster no matter how you cut it. Best to go in assuming it's a full-on reboot.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 11, 2012, 11:28:17 PM
How could it be a reboot if you call it Episode 7?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 12, 2012, 08:53:44 AM
How could it be a reboot if you call it Episode 7?

It's a coping mechanism.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on November 12, 2012, 11:20:49 AM
I suppose their best bet is making sure George Lucas' contribution is MINIMAL.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2012, 04:09:13 PM
Seriously. We should just lock this thread until 2014, right?

http://blastr.com/2012/11/disney-planning-2-or-3-st.php (http://blastr.com/2012/11/disney-planning-2-or-3-st.php)

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Disney planning 2 or 3 Star Wars films a YEAR!?

Sweet merciful Zeus! We were excited (if not a little nervous) that Star Wars Episode VII would be out come 2015, but now, that's the least that's happening. Turns out, Disney plans on making a lot more Star Wars pictures. A LOT MORE.

So the Disney buyout happened and LucasFilm president, Kathleen Kennedy announced that we would be getting a new episode in the Star Wars saga every two years or so. That makes sense. After all, it takes time to put together an epic or, at least, it should.

But hang onto your hats, kids, because that's just the main stuff. Apparently, according to the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly, Kennedy and Disney plan to put out two to three Star Wars-related movies EVERY YEAR!

Now, that doesn't mean we'll see Episodes VII, VII, and IX all in 2015. In fact, we'd stake our reputations that we most certainly won't. It will, however, likely mean we will see LucasFilm take a page from Marvel. After all, look at all the individual films that led up to the insanely successful Avengers. So what we're probably looking at is a series of films telling the stories of specific characters, all in an effort to enrich the existing universe.

Well, that, and to make more money, of course. After all, more movies means more movie tickets and, most of all, more toys.

Not gonna lie, we're PUMPED.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2012, 04:34:38 PM
Seriously. We should just lock this thread until 2014, right?


LOL...yes.

But then the thread will be boring. This way we get to recreate the panic and horror of the "Crazy Star Trek Rumor" thread. 
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 15, 2012, 04:39:34 PM
I still go back and read that entire thread sometimes. It's a study in mass hysteria.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 15, 2012, 04:46:48 PM
Same here.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 21, 2012, 10:32:28 AM
Sloppy work on io9 this morning:

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Is the writer of The Empire Strikes Back returning for the new Star Wars movies? Much, much more excitingly is the news that Lawrence Kasdan, who was the primary writer for The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, is the choice to write Episode VIII. Assuming that's true, that's just about the most promising news yet that this new trilogy will be able to tap into what made the original trilogy so special

Poor Leigh Brackett, eh?

Begin argument about Brackett's actual contribution...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 27, 2012, 08:52:37 PM
Of course he does.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/11/16/star-wars-episode-vii-lando-calrissian-wants-to-return/ (http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/11/16/star-wars-episode-vii-lando-calrissian-wants-to-return/)

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Star Wars Episode VII: Lando Calrissian Wants To Return

After Star Wars Episode VII was announced by Disney, it wasn’t long before most of the original cast let their desire to return be known. Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford have all reportedly indicated that they would be willing to return for Star Wars sequels. Even Jeremy Bulloch, who played Boba Fett, told Comicbook.com that he would like to see his character get out of the Sarlacc pit and return.

The one actor who seems to have been missing in all the Star Wars resurgence has been Billy Dee Williams, who played Lando Calrissian. However, a TMZ reporter, while buying an Icee at a gas station, claims to have run into Billy Dee Williams. When the reporter asked Billy Dee Williams if he wanted to be in the new Star Wars trilogy, Billy Dee Williams said, “I suppose so.”

Even more interesting is when the TMZ reporter asked Billy Dee Williams if anyone had reached out to him about the new film, Billy Dee Willams reportedly said, “No.” If Disney were planning to bring the original cast back, it’s surprising that no one would have reached out to the actor who played Lando Calrissian yet. However, it could also be that Disney is only planning to bring back certain cast members.

When the TMZ reporter asked Billy Dee Williams if he could film him for the show, Billy Dee Williams reportedly said no, which is very surprising. Well, not surprising that Billy Dee Williams would turn down being filmed in a gas station, but surprising that TMZ actually asked a celebrity for permission. Even though there is no film evidence of Billy Dee William’s response, the TMZ reporter did offer a photograph of his Icees as proof of his story.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 07, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Abrams was also apparently offered the gig and said "no,' just in case that hasn't been mentioned earlier in this thread.

http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/guillermo-del-toro-turned-star-wars-episode-vii-gig.html (http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/guillermo-del-toro-turned-star-wars-episode-vii-gig.html)

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Guillermo Del Toro Turned Down The Star Wars: Episode VII Gig

The biggest entertainment news story last year was Disney’s acquisition of Lucasfilm and the Star Wars franchise. We’ve been waiting to hear word on who would direct the upcoming Episode VII since Disney announced they would make a new sequel trilogy back in October. Apparently, director Guillermo del Toro was offered the Star Wars job but respectfully turned it down because he was “busy enough.”

According to the Playlist, del Toro received a phone call from Disney when they first started looking for candidates to helm Episode VII. While del Toro said it “was very flattering” to get the call for Star Wars, he had to decline because of his numerous projects in the works. Del Toro explains:

    We got one phone call to my agent saying, ‘Is Guillermo interested?’ And basically I have so much stuff already of my own, and I’m pursuing stuff that I’m generating already … It was just a phone call, it didn’t go past that, it was very nice to be asked, but believe it or not, I’m busy enough.

While del Toro would’ve been a fine pick to take up the Star Wars mantle, his plate is definitely full. He’s got the epic robots vs. monsters flick hitting this summer — and the sequel is already greenlit — he’s producing the horror movie Mama, which comes out later this month, and his name has been mentioned in connection to some half dozen other projects, depending on which day you ask.

We wouldn’t blame Del Toro if he was hesitant to commit to another big franchise, either. After all, del Toro was originally attached to direct The Hobbit for Warner Bros. but after two years of work and lots of wheel spinning, he left the production to work on other projects. [And honestly, I'd much prefer to see del Toro continuing to make cool movies he's excited about than playing in somebody else's sandbox. - Ed.]

The Mexican director does offer up his own choice for the Episode VII gig: Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol director Brad Bird. “I think the fans deserve somebody that is just going to immerse themselves completely. As a geek, I would have loved to see Brad Bird take it,” he said. Unfortunately, Brad Bird had already declined to take the Episode VII job in favor of working on the mysterious 1952 movie he co-wrote with Prometheus screenwriter Damon Lindelof.

Screenwriter Michael Arndt (Toy Story 3) is penning the script for Episode VII, and it’s targeting a 2015 release date.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 07, 2013, 01:08:57 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Abrams were to run both of the rival franchises?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 07, 2013, 01:11:25 PM
I can dig up the article, but Abrams passed on the Star Wars gig because of his commitment to Star Trek, which bodes well for Trek's future I think.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 07, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
Well, yeah, I would assume that to be the reason. And why would he dump a cash cow anyway for an ailing franchise? Star Wars has to win back lots of trust. Revitalizing the franchise is not going to be an easy road...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 07, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
And I think that's why everybody's passing. At this juncture, there's going to be no creative risks, no chances taken. Creatively it's a thankless job.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 07, 2013, 09:54:36 PM
You'll have to do it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 08, 2013, 07:39:55 AM
You'll have to do it.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 08, 2013, 02:33:39 PM
Animated Disney/Star Wars Corporate Retreat Sketch. It should have been a lot funnier. Mostly it makes me want to drink.

http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy-disney-star-wars-corporate-050000926.html (http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy-disney-star-wars-corporate-050000926.html)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 11, 2013, 12:49:36 PM
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/01/10/star-wars-live-action-tv-series-3/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/01/10/star-wars-live-action-tv-series-3/)

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ABC to look at 'Star Wars' live-action TV series

ABC entertainment president Paul Lee says he’s going to take a look at the long-gestating Star Wars live-action TV series now that the Disney deal to acquire Lucasfilm is complete.

“We’d love to do something with Lucasfilm, we’re not sure what yet,” Lee exclusively told EW. “We haven’t even sat down with them. We’re going to look at [the live-action series], we’re going to look at all of them, and see what’s right. We weren’t able to discuss this with them until [the acquisition] closed and it just closed. It’s definitely going to be part of the conversation.”

Even many working in Hollywood don’t realize a live-action Star Wars TV series has been sitting on the shelf the past few years. The project was commissioned by longtime Lucasfilm producer Rick McCallum, who enlisted writers such as Battlestar Galactica‘s Ron Moore and swore them to NDA secrecy on the plot details (more on the show’s storyline below). Fifty scripts were written. McCallum once called the scripts the most “provocative, bold and daring material that we’ve ever done.”

And then … nothing.

The scripts gathered dust, the scope of the production and the extent of the show’s necessary visual effects deemed too expensive for a broadcast or cable network. The president of one premium cable outlet told me last summer the project just didn’t make any financial sense. The closest comparison was HBO’s lavish Game of Thrones. But that deal gave HBO control of a major chunk of the Thrones empire, including DVD and international distribution which significantly offset the show’s high production cost. The Star Wars show was budgeted at more than $5 million per episode and Lucasfilm wanted to retain ownership.

But now Disney has purchased Lucasfilm for $4 billion and Disney owns more than a couple TV networks. The financials for a big-budget TV show are more compelling if the license fee and other income sources stay in the family. Already one Star Wars-related project is in the works for kids network Disney XD. Cartoon Network’s popular and innovative animated title The Clone Wars will likely shift to XD after its current deal expires. Could the live-action show finally see the light of day too? It’s a tricky question because a new Star Wars film is planned for 2015. Cautious brand managers are sometimes reluctant to have a live-action TV show on the air when producing live-action films — such as Warner Bros. putting the kibosh on any Batman TV projects while making Christopher Nolan’s trilogy.

Lee said he wasn’t sure if the project was still viable. “It’s going to be very much up to the Lucasfilm brands how they want to play it,” he said. “We got to a point here with Marvel, a very special point, where we’re in the Marvel universe, and very relevantly so, but we’re not doing The Avengers. But S.H.I.E.L.D. is part of The Avengers. So maybe something oblique is the way to [approach the Star Wars universe] rather than going straight head-on at it.”

Sources say the live-action series centers on the story of rival families struggling over the control of the seedy underside of the Star Wars universe and the people who live within the subterranean level and air shafts of the metropolis planet Coruscant (the Empire’s urban-sprawl-covered home planet). A bounty hunter may be the main character. Set between the original Star Wars film trilogy and the prequels, the time period allows for all sorts of potential appearances from classic figures from the Star Wars universe.

Extensive art work including character designs, costume designs, and set designs were all developed by a top team of concept artists and designers who worked for more than a year on the third floor design studio at George Lucas’s Skywalker Ranch’s main house on the project. The team was closely supervised by McCallum and Lucas.

If all this sounds vaguely familiar, it might be because this roughly matches the description of the upcoming Star Wars videogame 1313. In fact, sources say story materials and the designs for the TV project were used to help make the game. So if you want to see what the TV show was supposed to look like, check out art from 1313 (one example above). This creative strip-mining could arguably help the TV show’s chances — it’s not like Hollywood has been shy about doing crossovers between videogames and films before.

Can you imagine that ultra-hypothetical ABC Sunday-night lineup? Once Upon a Time, Star Wars: 1313 and S.H.I.E.L.D?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 11, 2013, 01:36:11 PM
Caprica II!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 12, 2013, 03:40:26 PM
This is awesome.

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Obama’s White House rejects petition to build a Death Star, says why spend tax-payer money on a project that can be destroyed by a one-man ship?

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. You read that right. The White House today responded to a petition that that demanded resources and funding be secured to finance the construction of a Death Star by 2016.

You see, American citizens have a constitutional right to petition our government and with the internet it’s easier than ever. All you have to do is go to whitehouse.gov, sign up and you’re on your way to starting an official petition. The White House is obligated to respond if a petition reaches a certain amount of verified signatures, usually 25,000.

So, somebody petitioned the Obama Administration to build a Death Star and that petition got nearly 35,000 signatures, so the White Issued a response, from Paul Shawcross, chief of the White House Office of Management and Budget’s science and space branch.

I could run down how awesome and nerdy this petition is, but why don’t you read it for yourself:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 14, 2013, 09:17:33 PM
Ha, yes. I'm glad they can have a little fun with it and not just blame the opposition for this terrible idea!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 24, 2013, 06:58:37 PM
Deadline is not usually known for hoaxes.

http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/j-j-abrams-to-direct-new-star-wars-movie-for-disney/ (http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/j-j-abrams-to-direct-new-star-wars-movie-for-disney/)

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J.J. Abrams To Direct New ‘Star Wars’ Movie For Disney

Star Trek director J.J. Abrams will be helming the next Star Wars movie. “It’s done deal with J.J.,” a source with knowledge of the situation told Deadline today. Argo director Ben Affleck was also up for the gig, the source says. Abrams was courted heavily by producer Kathleen Kennedy to take the Star Wars job. Expected in 2015, Episode VII will be the first new Star Wars movie since 2005′s Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith. Michael Arndt is writing the script for the first installment of the relaunch of George Lucas’ franchise by Disney. The company bought Lucasfilm in October for $4 billion,  with the Star Wars franchise the jewel in the crown. At the time, CEO Bob Iger said three more Star Wars films were in the pipeline. Abrams’ other space-based franchise sequel, Star Trek Into Darkness, comes out May 17. This weekend, the PGA will honor the Lost creator with its 2013 Norman Lear Award For Television. Abrams is repped by CAA and Oasis Media Group.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 24, 2013, 08:03:48 PM
I believe nothing when it comes to Abrams.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 24, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
Another source that I came here to post:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2013/01/24/j-j-abrams-set-to-direct-star-wars-episode-vii/
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on January 25, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
It'll end up being Michael fucking Bay.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 25, 2013, 12:53:48 PM
Actually, looks like it's confirmed today. Welcome to Abrams-land!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 25, 2013, 01:13:57 PM
We all realize that he owns Hollywood now, yes?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 25, 2013, 01:26:00 PM
We all realize that he owns Hollywood now, yes?

That's because he's a fucking highly evolved alien or something. He and Team Abrams. We're going to wake up one morning -- probably in fall of 2014 -- and realize that Team Abrams controls every franchise, is writing every great new show, and probably is harvesting our brains.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 25, 2013, 05:16:55 PM
Some of these are great...


http://www.blastr.com/2013-1-25/21-awesome-twitter-reactions-abrams-star-wars-7-announcement
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 25, 2013, 05:22:04 PM
By the way...this thread is just as old as the Star Trek thread. So we should somehow bookmark this page as when Abrams took over and, within 12 months, the thread suddenly expanded by 40 pages, 99% of them filled with RC and me alternating between nerdgasm, nerd rage, and horror at obviously false casting rumors.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 25, 2013, 05:27:32 PM
The Star Trek is probably the one I go back and reread the most.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 25, 2013, 05:28:11 PM
io9:

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Can J.J. Abrams do for Star Wars what he did for Star Trek? And should he?

It's hard to overstate how boring Star Trek seemed in 2008. A pointless prequel had sucked the life out of it, the movies were crud, and the whole thing become a source of bland jokes on late-night TV. There were comics, games and novels for the die-hard fans, but as far as mainstream culture was concerned, Trek was toast.

J.J. Abrams brought Star Trek back. And now, with Star Wars in a not totally dissimilar situation, he's been brought in to repeat the feat. Can he do it again?
All images by Ralph McQuarrie

So first of all, yes, the comparison between Star Wars circa 2013 and Star Trek circa 2008 does seem apt. This happens to every popular universe from time to time: malaise sets in, everything feels like a retread, and too many iterations of the same old thing have invoked the Law of Diminishing Returns, which is way more unbreakable than the Prime Directive.

True, Star Wars has the Clone Wars cartoon, which is keeping it exciting for a new generation. And the Expanded Universe has a bigger reach than things like Star Trek's attempts to create an extended continuity. But to most people, Star Wars is still mostly a set of six movies that first captured our collective imagination... and then starved it.

Like Star Trek five years ago, Star Wars isn't just in need of a new coat of paint, or another jaunt down memory lane. Star Wars needs to be reinvented. Whoever directs a new Episode is going to need to take some liberties with the source material. (And really, why would you ever want a new installment of anything that doesn't reinvent the concept to some extent? You can always pop in the DVDs if you want the unadulterated original. A new movie, in any series ever, should be new. Or what's the point?)

So I guess the questions I'm wondering are, Will Abrams be willing to take chances with Star Wars? And will he take the right chances? And most important, will Abrams be able to get to the heart of what Star Wars is really about?

(Of course, now's a good place to point out that Abrams isn't writing the screenplay to Episode VII in any case — by all accounts, that's Toy Story 3/Little Miss Sunshine writer Michael Arndt. But of course, whoever directs the thing would have a decent amount of leeway to screw around with Arndt's script. And actually Abrams seems more likely to respect the words on the page, based on what he's said about other projects he directed and didn't write, than a lot of other writers.)

So let's take those questions one by one. Will Abrams be willing to take chances? He certainly took some pretty major liberties with Trek, to the point where some fans still hate the film. Abrams took the classic TOS characters and gave them a massively different context, while blowing a large hole in the Trek cosmology. And yet, Abrams and his writers balanced all of this sacrilege with a healthy dollop of fan-service, throwing in green Orion women, the Kobayashi-Maru test and a random Tribble.

On the other hand, Abrams made a big deal out of not being a Star Trek fan when he directed Star Trek. And he has made an equally big deal out of being a Star Wars fan. So he may be instinctively more reverent when approaching this particular chalice, and that would be a bad thing for all of us. At the same time, after watching most of Abrams' stuff at once, it feels like surprises and twists occupy a huge section of his storytelling toolbox.


Look at it this way — back when we had the oral tradition, you had storytellers who went around repeating the same tales that other storytellers who came before had told. And some storytellers probably stuck pretty close to the classics, but they were popular because they knew how to embellish a bit, or just milk the dramatic moments in a way that was fun to listen to after a few cups of goat wine. And then there was probably a second group of storytellers, who changed things up more, maybe inserting some new twists or even making the story's ending something different than what other storytellers had taught you to expect. A third group of traveling fabulists might actually make up a brand new story from scratch sometimes, including some classic elements but also fashioning a whole set of characters and events.

Of those three types, Abrams usually seems to be the second type — he'll tell the stories you've heard before, but he'll find a way catch you off guard.

Will Abrams take the right liberties? A lot, obviously, depends on whether you like the liberties he took with Star Trek. And whether the splashy, gooftastic take on spy lore in Alias and Undercovers worked for you. And whether you thought Super-8 was a great tribute to 1980s Spielberg, or an unforgiveable bastardization. And so on.

Based on all that stuff, we can generalize: to the extent that Abrams has an influence on the story of the new Star Wars, it won't entirely make sense if you think too much. (But it was never going to make sense in any case.) And yet, Abrams reliably brings a lot of energy and a sense of fun to whatever he tackles, along with a commitment to personal drama in the middle of huge set pieces. I've never been bored watching something Abrams was directly involved in. Even if you hated Abrams' Trek, you have to admit it packed in some powerful emotional moments, and was way more entertaining than the best moments of the last two TNG movies put together.

Here's the thing people often say about J.J. Abrams: he's addicted to mysteries and cryptic plot elements. But that's actually based on a misreading of his oeuvre — he certainly knows how to jerk fans around using viral marketing and the internet rumor mill, but that skill is not integral to his storytelling.

I often think about the Rabbit's Foot in Abrams' Mission Impossible III. That's the mysterious object that Ethan Hunt has to deliver. And we're never told what it is, beyond a few random hints. So is the Rabbit's Foot a mystery? Only if you're the sort of person who analyzes movies after watching them. For the purposes of the movie, it's a pure McGuffin — Abrams isn't saying, "You should obsess about the nature of the Rabbit's Foot." He's saying "It doesn't matter what the Rabbit's Foot is. The bad guy wants it, that's all you need to know."

People often talk about J.J. Abrams as a guy who cares too much about plot devices — but if anything, he's someone who doesn't care about them at all. Red Matter? Sure, it gets the job done. Rambaldi Artifacts? Yeah, whatever.

So if you're tired of Star Wars being all about midichlorians and the finer details of galactic politics, J.J. Abrams is probably your guy.

Will he get to the heart of what Star Wars is about? Abrams didn't really get what Star Trek was about, at least in his first movie. (And based on what we've seen thus far, Star Trek Into Darkness will be more of the same.) The emphasis on exploration, on pushing the boundaries of human knowledge, on using our power wisely, on trying to understand the Other, IDIC, all that stuff — it's not in the first Abrams Trek movie at all. Which is one reason people complain so much.

And this is where Arndt being the screenwriter, and Abrams being an O.G. Star Wars fan, might come in handy — those two guys, between them, might actually get what Star Wars ought to be about. (In a nutshell, avoiding the Dark Side of the Force, the little guy winning, a hero achieving his/her destiny, cool aliens, insane fun and optimism. I wrote a whole thing about what we want to see from a new Star Wars here.)

All Abrams really has to do is make the Force seem cool and spiritual and relevant — to do what he absolutely did not do with "boldly going where no man has gone before" — and we're sold.

Final thought: Whoever directed the new Star Wars was going to be a product of Star Wars. George Lucas and the ILM crew changed movies drastically, ushering in a new era of special effects-heavy tentpoles — the same emphasis on special effects that eventually ruined Star Wars. The ultimate challenge of a new Star Wars is to get past the VFX and the awesome spaceship battles and get to the characters and the emotions. That's a tiny exhaust port that's hard to hit — but I think Abrams has a fair shot.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 25, 2013, 05:28:42 PM
The Star Trek is probably the one I go back and reread the most.

There is something weirdly fun about it. There are a few threads I return to every few months...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 25, 2013, 05:30:06 PM
Some of these are great...


http://www.blastr.com/2013-1-25/21-awesome-twitter-reactions-abrams-star-wars-7-announcement

Patton Oswalt = Genius
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
Disney conforms Abrams.

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J.J. Abrams will direct Star Wars: Episode VII, the first of a new series of Star Wars films to come from Lucasfilm under the leadership of Kathleen Kennedy. Abrams will be directing and Academy Award-winning writer Michael Arndt will write the screenplay.

“It’s very exciting to have J.J. aboard leading the charge as we set off to make a new Star Wars movie,” said Kennedy. “J.J. is the perfect director to helm this. Beyond having such great instincts as a filmmaker, he has an intuitive understanding of this franchise. He understands the essence of the Star Wars experience, and will bring that talent to create an unforgettable motion picture.”

George Lucas went on to say “I’ve consistently been impressed with J.J. as a filmmaker and storyteller. He’s an ideal choice to direct the new Star Wars film and the legacy couldn’t be in better hands.”

"To be a part of the next chapter of the Star Wars saga, to collaborate with Kathy Kennedy and this remarkable group of people, is an absolute honor,” J.J. Abrams said. “I may be even more grateful to George Lucas now than I was as a kid."

J.J., his longtime producing partner Bryan Burk, and Bad Robot are on board to produce along with Kathleen Kennedy under the Disney | Lucasfilm banner.

Also consulting on the project are Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg. Kasdan has a long history with Lucasfilm, as screenwriter on The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Return of the Jedi. Kinberg was writer on Sherlock Holmes and Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

Abrams and his production company Bad Robot have a proven track record of blockbuster movies that feature complex action, heartfelt drama, iconic heroes and fantastic production values with such credits as Star Trek, Super 8, Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol, and this year’s Star Trek Into Darkness. Abrams has worked with Lucasfilm’s preeminent postproduction facilities, Industrial Light & Magic and Skywalker Sound, on all of the feature films he has directed, beginning with Mission: Impossible III. He also created or co-created such acclaimed television series as Felicity, Alias, Lost and Fringe.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2013, 11:22:03 AM
Here we go!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2013, 01:00:22 PM
So I guess we should start having the geek argument the rest of the internet is having:

With Abrams at the helm of both of the biggest sci-fi franchises in the history of fiction, will the quality of both suffer because of split focus OR will they be too similar?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2013, 02:27:57 PM
So I guess we should start having the geek argument the rest of the internet is having:

With Abrams at the helm of both of the biggest sci-fi franchises in the history of fiction, will the quality of both suffer because of split focus OR will they be too similar?

It's Abrams. He's writing five wildly different movie scripts now and running multiple wildly different TV shows. Plus, Team Abrams is there to run with the ball.

No. I have no doubts that he'll effortlessly switch between the two franchises without even batting an eye.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 26, 2013, 02:46:06 PM
We shall see!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2013, 02:50:52 PM
We shall see!

Are you like that Patton Oswalt tweet? #firstinline
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2013, 02:54:57 PM
There's also speculation that Disney's press release hints that Abrams will only be directing the first one, and that like the original trilogy, a new director will come in on each successive move. I thought this worked quite well for the Harry Potter movies up until they gave the last few to the same director (And even then, those movies worked for me.)

I think I'm okay with this as long as Abrams doesn't slack off on Trek.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
I don't think he will. In fact, I look forward to hard-core Abrams sci-fi every 12 months.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 26, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
Okay. This is pretty cool.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 26, 2013, 09:29:49 PM
Awesome.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 27, 2013, 10:58:40 AM
Geekgasm!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2013, 11:17:27 AM
I can't even keep up with the whirlwind of rumors...so here's the latest from io9:

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Pretty much all of the casting rumors so far have centered on whether existing Star Wars characters like Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Han Solo, and even Lando Calrissian and Chewbacca would return for J.J. Abrams's new entry in the franchise. However, we now have the first rumor regarding a new addition to the franchise, and it's a doozy for all you Fringe fans out there: John Noble, Walter Bishop himself, is supposedly set to play the villain, at least according to some random radio host in Melbourne who revealed she "has it on very good authority that Aussie actor John Noble will be appearing as the villain." So, admittedly, that seems like a hugely unlikely source for reliable Star Wars rumors — even if you allow for the fact that Noble is from Australia, so maybe media types down there have more of a sense of the latest Noble-related rumors — but it's the rare crazy rumor that doubles as a totally brilliant idea, so I'm all for hoping this is one bit of wild speculation that turns out to be true. Still, best to take this with a generous heaping of salt
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 07, 2013, 12:21:26 PM
Yeah, there's just much swirling around right now. I imagine it'll settle in a month or so and what's really happening will sort of become clear.  Or not.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 15, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
This is more "duh" than news, but if the deal is done that's pretty exciting.

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Well, it was only a matter of time before this news became a bit more concrete, but, according to El Mayimbe over at Latino Review, who has an exceptional batting average when it comes to his scoop accuracy, the deal is done for Harrison Ford to reprise his role as Han Solo in STAR WARS - EPISODE VII.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 15, 2013, 12:22:24 PM
This is more "duh" than news, but if the deal is done that's pretty exciting.

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Well, it was only a matter of time before this news became a bit more concrete, but, according to El Mayimbe over at Latino Review, who has an exceptional batting average when it comes to his scoop accuracy, the deal is done for Harrison Ford to reprise his role as Han Solo in STAR WARS - EPISODE VII.

Only if he hides from Jabba in a lead-lined fridge!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 15, 2013, 09:06:02 PM
Eeeee!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on March 07, 2013, 11:52:11 PM
Luke, Leia and Han...

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/star-wars-stars-reuniting-sequel-lucas-lets-slip-172815308.html

!!!!!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2013, 08:47:58 AM
I'm going to have to ignore all Star Wars news... It'll just freak me out otherwise.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 08, 2013, 10:47:20 AM
The problem is that every whisper of a rumor is OMG BREAKING NEWS ON CNN!!!!!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on March 08, 2013, 11:17:51 AM
The problem is that every whisper of a rumor is OMG BREAKING NEWS ON CNN!!!!!

Yeah. Like, jokes overheard in a bar by a 5 year old become viral tweets. Little Tommy was at Wheatjuice Java on Hollywood Boulevard and heard from Carrie Fisher's niece that...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 18, 2013, 02:25:25 PM
I finally watched the Patton Oswalt thing that's been going around for days. So brilliant.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 18, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
Yeah...that's become mega-meme. And it is great.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 18, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
Holy shit this is funny.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 18, 2013, 03:45:01 PM
Love it!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on April 18, 2013, 11:09:06 PM
Big thumbs up.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 19, 2013, 12:16:53 AM
Are you hungry?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on April 19, 2013, 12:22:40 PM
That's what she said.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on August 28, 2013, 08:06:45 AM
Finally watched The People Vs. George Lucas instead of just highlights and analysis...

Strangely, it puts forward that the original trilogy sprung, fully grown, from the mind of Lucas, and then takes a look at what I guess we'll go ahead and call a cataclysmic downfall. It acknowledges that, perhaps, power corrupts...but it still has some heavy Lucas-worship going on. It doesn't seem to want to admit that, perhaps, the first trilogy is not 100% the brainchild of George Lucas but, instead, comes more from the talent that gravitated towards it...versus the second trilogy, which is the brainchild of Lucas...

Overall, it left me a little cold. I wanted a condemnation of Lucas, instead I got an apology.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 28, 2013, 09:48:37 AM
Wait, you're talking about the short film about him brainstorming Star Wars from aspects of his college life, yes?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on August 28, 2013, 10:52:24 AM
Wait, you're talking about the short film about him brainstorming Star Wars from aspects of his college life, yes?

No! Sorry! The People Vs. George Lucas! Wow... I've edited my post.

Jesus...I think the last three weeks have stroked me out.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 02, 2013, 07:09:47 PM
Maybe just a rumor at this point, but HOLY GEEKOUT!!!

http://www.filmchronicles.com/benedict-cumberbatch-star-wars-vii/ (http://www.filmchronicles.com/benedict-cumberbatch-star-wars-vii/)

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Film Chronicles is reporting that Benedict Cumberbatch has been cast in the J.J. Abrams-directed resumption of the STAR WARS saga.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on September 03, 2013, 08:39:15 AM
Benedict Cumberbatch continues his journey to, like David Tennant, star in everything at once.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on September 26, 2013, 01:15:24 PM
I hate the argument that Star Wars was always for kids and we're lost in nostalgia and just don't understand it or something... This is all true!


Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 26, 2013, 03:03:29 PM
Yeah, I agree with all that.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 11, 2013, 01:13:51 PM
This is great. They have no idea how to sell the movie!

I can just imagine being the marketing department. "Um...so what the fuck is this movie?"

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 23, 2013, 06:23:36 PM
This is great. They have no idea how to sell the movie!

I can just imagine being the marketing department. "Um...so what the fuck is this movie?"



It's a trap!!

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 07, 2013, 06:40:05 PM
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Disney announced today that Star Wars: Episode VII will arrive in theaters on December 18, 2015
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 07, 2013, 07:20:47 PM
First non-May release!

*apocalypse*
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 12, 2014, 03:32:33 PM
Good for Abrams, says I.

io9.com/michael-arndts-scrapped-star-wars-story-was-about-luke-1499732754 (http://io9.com/michael-arndts-scrapped-star-wars-story-was-about-luke-1499732754)

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Michael Arndt's scrapped Star Wars story was about Luke and Leia's kids

When Michael Arndt was replaced as the writer of Star Wars: Episode VII last fall, we were told it had to do with timing concerns. But according to a new report in the Hollywood Reporter, the real reason was a disagreement over who the film should be about: Luke, Leia and Han, or the next generation.

Minor spoilers ahead...

The Hollywood Reporter's Heat Vision blog quotes unnamed sources as saying that Toy Story 3 writer Arndt (and original Star Wars creator George Lucas) wanted Episode VII to be about the children of Luke, Leia and Han Solo, but director J.J. Abrams disagreed:

Arndt is said to have focused on the offspring of Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill), Han Solo (Harrison Ford) and Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher), with the original trilogy heroes taking on supporting roles. Abrams, however, wanted Episode VII to focus on the classic trio of characters, so audiences could have one more chance to enjoy them before a fitting send-off. The new characters, the offspring, will now be in supporting roles, according to these sources, and take center stage in Episode VIII and IX. Some characters have disappeared from the Arndt script and new ones are being drafted.

Abrams and co-writer Lawrence Kasdan (who also co-wrote Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back) have been retooling the script so radically, a lot of the roles that people had been trying out for are no longer valid. For example, Tye Sheridan (Mud) had been a frontrunner for one role — but now there's no need for such young actors. Also, one role that had been envisioned as a 20-year-old male is now a 40-year-old.

But apparently it's true that Jesse Plemons (Breaking Bad) is meeting with J.J. Abrams about a major role. Also, he's met with Adam Driver (Girls) and Michael Fassbender (Prometheus) about roles. Hugo Weaving (The Matrix) is in line to play an Imperial Commander in the film, which seems like perfect casting.

And there's one more piece of casting rumor: Heat Vision says Abrams is rumored to be searching for a "20-something female actress" who is either mixed-race or black. "The rumor is that Obi-Wan Kenobi had a daughter or granddaughter."

In any case, it's way, way too early to make any judgments about a film that hasn't started shooting yet — but off-hand, a film focusing on a new generation of Star Wars heroes sounds like a somewhat better idea than Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher taking center stage one last time. [Heat Vision]
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 13, 2014, 10:52:46 PM
I agree with you, not this article.

Lifelong fans need a chance to relive the good things about Star Wars before moving on.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 06, 2014, 02:31:51 PM
I believe nothing about this movie without an official press release, however...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/66090 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/66090)

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In an interview with Sky Movies, Gary Oldman reveals that he has  been ‘called’ regarding an appearance in the next STAR WARS movie. 
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 21, 2014, 09:53:47 PM
Good, says I.

http://www.themarysue.com/star-wars-kinberg-no-expanded-universe/ (http://www.themarysue.com/star-wars-kinberg-no-expanded-universe/)

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Star Wars Writer Might Have Just Confirmed That New Movies Are Ditching the Expanded Universe
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 22, 2014, 01:54:48 PM
So here's the thing -- I have no idea what the expanded universe is or what it involves. And I'm Prince Geek. Now I know the concept of expanded universes, and I have a bit of knowledge about, sya, the Star trek and Doctor Who expanded universes...and it would never, ever, not in a thousand years cross my mind that those glorified elements of fan fiction would actually be portrayed in the franchises proper.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 22, 2014, 05:18:43 PM
So here's the thing -- I have no idea what the expanded universe is or what it involves. And I'm Prince Geek. Now I know the concept of expanded universes, and I have a bit of knowledge about, sya, the Star trek and Doctor Who expanded universes...and it would never, ever, not in a thousand years cross my mind that those glorified elements of fan fiction would actually be portrayed in the franchises proper.

I agree.

That said, the glorified fan fiction was licensed "real" merchandise in the case of Star Wars, no? I have not dabbled in that area either, and thus I welcome its destruction as canon.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on April 25, 2014, 02:38:20 PM
"Expanded universe" is something Lucas would have done so he could make a different colour Jar Jar Binks.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 25, 2014, 02:39:28 PM
Apparently, he doesn't really need an excuse.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on April 25, 2014, 02:50:09 PM
Apparently, he doesn't really need an excuse.

He probably dresses as Jar Jar to abuse his adoptive daughters.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2014, 01:54:37 PM
Official cast announcement.

http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-7-cast-announced.html (http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-7-cast-announced.html)

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The Star Wars team is thrilled to announce the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII.

Actors John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow will join the original stars of the saga, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker in the new film.

Director J.J. Abrams says, "We are so excited to finally share the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII. It is both thrilling and surreal to watch the beloved original cast and these brilliant new performers come together to bring this world to life, once again. We start shooting in a couple of weeks, and everyone is doing their best to make the fans proud."

Star Wars: Episode VII is being directed by J.J. Abrams from a screenplay by Lawrence Kasdan and Abrams. Kathleen Kennedy, J.J. Abrams, and Bryan Burk are producing, and John Williams returns as the composer

EDIT:

The Official Star Wars site is basically crashing right now, so here's a link to the cast reading photo they released. Pretty cool.
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/04/29/star-wars-episode-vii-meet-the-new-cast/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/04/29/star-wars-episode-vii-meet-the-new-cast/)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2014, 01:59:26 PM
I can start getting excited now?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on April 29, 2014, 02:00:59 PM
I can start getting excited now?

Just for that bitter-sweet disappointment when Star Wars becomes a monster film with dream sequences.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2014, 02:06:22 PM
I can start getting excited now?

For the moment... until I remind you about the prequels and Star Trek: Into Darkness.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on April 29, 2014, 02:17:32 PM
With the exception of Max Von Sydow...I have no idea who the people of the new cast are.  Which might be good.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2014, 02:20:40 PM
I think it is good.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
With the exception of Max Von Sydow...I have no idea who the people of the new cast are.  Which might be good.

Um...hello! Andy Serkis!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 29, 2014, 09:07:39 PM
I think it's impossible for this to be good. Except the first Star Trek reboot was.

I don't even think I care as long as we get marshmallow sweet closure on Han, Leia, Luke, Chewy and the droids.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2014, 09:36:34 PM
I think it's impossible for this to be good. Except the first Star Trek reboot was.

I don't even think I care as long as we get marshmallow sweet closure on Han, Leia, Luke, Chewy and the droids.

The droids? You do know that the whole Star Wars saga is R2-D2's personal journey, right?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2014, 10:46:11 PM
Lucas actually said that once.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 30, 2014, 12:57:39 AM
Long live Kenny Baker!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 30, 2014, 06:56:47 AM
Lucas actually said that once.

Yeah... And then you rewatch them with that in mind.  It really is.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on April 30, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
With the exception of Max Von Sydow...I have no idea who the people of the new cast are.  Which might be good.

Um...hello! Andy Serkis!

Okay...him as well.  But still the rest...no idea.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 12, 2014, 11:01:07 AM
Now that the 40th brew-ha-ha is over we can get down to real business.

Lots of rumors/smoke and mirrors coming out of the Abrams Star Wars camp lately, none if it of course able to be confirmed. The most interesting is the idea that Han Solo is the big lead with what we are assume are the three young leads who will become our new heroes. This fits in to the idea of a "soft" reboot like Abrams did with Star Trek. I like the idea of some kids finding out about the rebellion (which must still be going) and getting Han Solo to lead them to it. That seems pretty badass.

I'm super leery of Abrams after Into Darkness, but with what little we have to go on, I'm hopeful he's making the right moves.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 12, 2014, 11:05:46 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why Into Darkness happened. Surely it was an accident...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 12, 2014, 05:41:57 PM
Here's the other reason I think Han Solo works as the best connective tissue between old and new.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2014-05-07/film/hans-solo-dies/full/ (http://www.villagevoice.com/2014-05-07/film/hans-solo-dies/full/)

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Bring Me the Head of Han Solo
To save Han Solo, J.J. Abrams must kill Han Solo

Harrison Ford has been a good soldier in the Star Wars. He did whatever was asked of him by his commanding officer, George Lucas, even when his commanding officer was wrong. Now that Ford is back in Star Wars, and J.J. Abrams is running the show, Abrams's first order of business should be to give Ford what he's wanted for decades: death. It's time to kill Han Solo.

For the good of the movie. For the good of the movies, which changed after 1977, largely for the worse. To restore balance to the Force. To redeem the much-abused Star Wars brand, so tarnished by prequels and such that Disney paid $4.05 billion for it. (Technically for Lucasfilm, but that's Star Wars, mostly.)

Abrams should welcome Ford back by rubbing him out. Honorably. Heroically. But decisively, and for the love of God, permanently. Not Spock-dead. Not Agent Coulson-dead. Dead. Solo? He gotta go-lo.

 A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Ford built an airtight case for Solo's demise in Return of the Jedi, the original trilogy finale that opened 31 Memorial Day weekends ago. From the 2004 making-of documentary, Empire of Dreams:

Harrison Ford: I thought Han Solo should die. I thought he ought to sacrifice himself for [Luke and Leia]. He's got no mama. He's got no papa. He's got no future. He has no story responsibilities at this point. So let's allow him to commit self-sacrifice.

Screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan: I also felt someone had to go. . . . It should happen very early in the last act so you begin to worry about everybody.

Lucas overruled them, of course. He doesn't bother to say in that documentary what his rebuttal to his star and writer's fully-armed-and-operational-arguments was. Gary Kurtz, the producer of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back who parted ways with Lucas when they couldn't agree on Jedi's tone — Kurtz wanted it more downbeat, and to include Solo's death — said in a 2010 Los Angeles Times interview that Lucas forbade any plot developments that might cut into toy sales.

As someone who owned three different Han Solo action figures in 1985 or thereabouts — reflecting his very minor wardrobe changes in each of the three movies — I am the proof of Lucas's instincts as a businessman. Not that I'd have ditched them if I had seen Han Solo die onscreen. I sold my Star Wars figures cheap at a yard sale when I was 11 or 12. Puberty was going to arrive whether Han Solo died or didn't.

This might be why the hero of Ford's other franchise with George Lucas, Henry "Indiana" Jones Jr., Ph.D., always mattered more to Ford than Han Solo did: It's easier for a grown man to connect to his 12-year-old self than to his eight-year-old one. The Indiana Joneses are geared for a slightly older audience, whereas the heart of the Star Wars pictures is decidedly preadolescent. The difference, obviously, is sex. Indiana Jones has it. No one in the Star Wars universe does. ("When a man and a woman love each other very much, they lie down together and then, uh, Midichlorians, probably?") Try to imagine Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman in bed together and the viewscreen in your mind automatically flips to a musical number from the Ewok village. You can't do it.

Lucas's sudden artistic conservatism came at Jedi's expense. It was a massive hit, of course, but it's a much lousier movie than it needed to be. Empire, the trilogy's tense, frightening, mysterious, mythologically rich middle chapter, remains unimpeachable, a stellar achievement in fantasy filmmaking. But Jedi is a lumbering, repetitive, tin-earned toy ad, made all the poorer by a historically awful performance from Ford.

It isn't his fault that he spends the first 19 minutes of this 134-minute picture as a wall hanging in Jabba the Hutt's stately pleasure dome. (These time stamps reflect the "Special Edition" Jedi, as Lucas has made it tough to lay hands on the original theatrical versions, further alienating his constituents.) Or that Solo, so cocksure and unpredictable in A New Hope, so rakish and desperate and arrogant in Empire (Leia: "I love you!" Han: "I know."), seems to have suffered a possibly carbonite-induced testosterone plunge reminiscent of that dispiriting moment when once-edgy stand-up comics start talking about their adorable kids. (In fact, Solo is the father of twins by Leia in Timothy Zahn's 1991 Star Wars novel Heir to the Empire, but Disney announced only last week that that's officially non-canonical now — an "imaginary story," in the delightful language of 1950s DC Comics.) We'll forgive Solo his mojolessness during Jedi's first act — he can't even see, when he's first unfrozen. For a few moments, it seems his year or so as a conversation piece in Jabba's lair had left him afflicted with space PTSD. Intriguing! Will the balance of the film explore this?

As Darth Vader would say: "Nooooooooooooooooooooo!"

As soon as the rebel scum regroup from rescuing Han, Jedi falls to pieces.

Q: Why do the rebels ask Han, their freshly thawed flying ace, to lead the rebel ground attack on the Imperial shield generator that's protecting Death Star II: Ha, We Had a Spare?

Q: Why do they assign the bombing run on Death Star II to Lando? OK, yes, Han Solo won his ship, the Millennium Falcon, from Lando in a card game or something, but Lando's recent job experience is as the administrator of a mining facility on the planet Bespin. ("If we are to take out the Death Star — again, yes — we'll need someone with nerves of steel and a thorough understanding of the galactic tax code who knows how to take advantage of the incentives for tibana gas extraction facilities, which the Imperial Senate seems unlikely to renew at this juncture.")

A: Because this is a movie, and moreover, a movie primarily for kids. Fair enough. But why then does Ford spend so many scenes shrugging and mugging and bugging his eyes? The moment that seems to foreshadow his death — minute 53, when he looks at the Falcon and says to Leia, "I just got a funny feeling, like I'm not going to see her again" — is Ford's most convincing line reading of the film. It's the only time he's playing the arc he wants to play.

Imagine for a moment that the same strain of insanity that led Warner Bros. executives to envision Superman III, one of Jedi's competitors in the summer of 1983, as a Richard Pryor vehicle, had led Lucas to recast the role of Han Solo with Chevy Chase. What would that movie have looked like?

The correct answer is that it would be identical in every way to the Return of the Jedi we all saw. Harrison Ford is Chevy Chase in this movie. Whether this was an artistic choice or simply Ford's unwillingness to conceal his boredom, Han Solo has been reborn as a neutered, hapless dad. Even his haircut is 70 percent less cool than it was in Empire. "Hey, it's me!" he reassures Luke, seconds before stepping on a twig that gives his position away to an Imperial soldier. When it comes to guerilla warfare, Han Solo is one hell of a space pilot.

Ford's voiceover for the original release cut of Blade Runner — which he'd famously made as dull as possible in the hope the producers who'd demanded it over director Ridley Scott's objections would reject it as unusable — is better than his bored line readings in Jedi. His performance in the pilloried Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is better than his performance in Jedi.

You know what's light years better than his performance in Jedi? His swaggering star turn in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom only a year later. The violence and unpredictability of Indiana Jones in Temple of Doom is everything that Jedi's emasculated, minivan-driving, twig-stepping, Ewok-hugging, freely-sharing-his-feelings Han Solo isn't. Same with the movie, which feels tense and dangerous and utterly bonkers. (And more than a little — what's that word? — racist, but no more so than The Phantom Menace.) The point is that sneering, calculating, first-shooting, Nerf-herding Han Solo was still kicking around inside of Ford, but Ford wanted to save him for Indiana Jones. You can't blame him, really. After the triumph of The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas never really allowed Han Solo to become unfrozen.

Lucas has always been obsessed with control. After Star Wars, he risked his shirt to finance the three-times-as-costly The Empire Strikes Back himself so he could retain complete creative control along with sequel and merchandising rights — and take notes from nobody. Indeed, Lucas paid for the latter five of the six extant theatrical, live-action Star Wars movies out of his own deeper-than-a-sarlacc's-belly pocket. They are as indie, in the most literal sense of the term, as it is possible for indie films to get. This means that all the fart and whoops-I-stepped-in-shit jokes in The Phantom Menace are there because they're an essential part of Lucas's precious creative vision. If he's got a motto for Star Wars, it's No Child Left Behind.

Last week fans thrilled to a black-and-white photo from the first table read of the script for Abrams's Star Wars: Episode VII — which, if you're looking for reasons to be optimistic, was penned by Kasdan, who wrote The Empire Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost Ark, in addition to writing and directing many films that've probably sold fewer lunchboxes: Body Heat, The Big Chill, Grand Canyon, etc. Kasdan was in the photo. Fresh young faces Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, and Domhnall Gleeson were there. Familiar but unrecognizable faces (because usually they're behind digital or physical masks, you see) Peter Mayhew and Andy Serkis, too. Oscar Isaac, the brilliant star of the brilliant Inside Llewyn Davis, showed up. And Abrams and R2-D2, watching from an open packing crate just outside the circle of chairs. (Droids get much affection but no respect.) Also present: Original trilogy stars Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and, most surprising of all, 71-year-old Ford.

The cosmic generational comedown of the prequels remains fresh in our memories. The last and least terrible of them, Revenge of the Sith, hit theaters nine years ago this month, which means any Blade Runner–type critical reconsideration suggesting that perhaps we judged George Lucas's busy, noisy, lifeless latter-day movies too harshly would've happened by now. What enthusiasm there is for the upcoming films — and there is a lot — is on account of the still-strong residual affection for the original movies, though Lucas can't stop tinkering with them. And because Abrams seems like he just might have a clue how to inject some life back into Star Wars, as his two Star, er, Trek films have demonstrated.

And because of the return of the original cast.

Don't squander this opportunity to restore balance to the force, J.J. Abrams. The last thing the tarnished Star Wars brand needs now is another bored and noncommittal Harrison Ford performance. (If he wants to walk on and transform into a werewolf, like he did in Anchorman 2, that'd be fine.) The pattern set by the first two trilogies is that in the first chapter, a mentor is sacrificed: Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope, Qui-Gon Jinn in The Phantom Menace. In fact, Qui-Gon's slaying by Darth Maul, and the thrilling lightsaber duel surrounding it — more athletic than the one in Empire — is one of only a handful of scenes in the entire seven-hour prequel trilogy that achieves any emotional heft. The big Obi-Wan vs. Anakin fight two movies later, wherein Anakin sustains the injuries that will result in his rebirth as that mouth-breathing cyborg Darth Vader, needed to feel exponentially more dire than that earlier melee, given its significance in the saga. It didn't.

But then, Anakin lived — in the literal sense, anyway. And death is powerful. Especially in a genre where it's so rare and reversible.

To save Han Solo, we have to kill him.

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on May 12, 2014, 05:47:26 PM
I'm Hans Solo.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 12, 2014, 05:54:30 PM
Interesting quote at the end there.

I will never give in to the Dark Side!!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 13, 2014, 06:46:22 AM
This is all assuming that Harrison Ford suddenly becomes sane.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 13, 2014, 08:30:09 AM
And of course in a news vacuum, this becomes a story.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/12/5711780/star-wars-episode-7-wont-feature-wedge-antilles-actor (http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/12/5711780/star-wars-episode-7-wont-feature-wedge-antilles-actor)

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Wedge Antilles actor rejected 'Star Wars: Episode VII' role because it would 'bore' him

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 13, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
Oh man!!!

Wait...don't care.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 14, 2014, 12:38:49 PM
Watch it once:



Watch it again looking for Easter Eggs (there are many).
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 14, 2014, 01:25:42 PM
Yeah, the Easter eggs are super cool.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 23, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-spinoff-hires-godzilla-706636

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'Star Wars' Spinoff Hires 'Godzilla' Director Gareth Edwards (Exclusive)

Fresh off the success of Godzilla, filmmaker Gareth Edwards has lined up his next project, something set in a galaxy far, far away.

Edwards is attached to direct one of the Star Wars spinoff films, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

Gary Whitta (Book of Eli) is writing the script for the movie, which has a release date set for December 16, 2016, said Disney and Lucasfilm in a statement later posted on the official Star Wars website.

Due to the high level of secrecy surrounding the Star Wars development process, it is unclear which spinoff Edwards will tackle.

Speculation has focused on characters such as bounty hunter Boba Fett and Jedi master Yoda as those who might be getting their own movies. There are also rumors of a potential Han Solo origin story or at least something on the Solo clan, and untold adventures of Luke Skywalker.

"Ever since I saw Star Wars I knew exactly what I wanted to do for the rest of my life - join the Rebel Alliance! I could not be more excited & honored to go on this mission with Lucasfilm," said Edwards in a statement release after THR broke the news.

Earlier in May, Disney CEO Bob Iger stated that there was a plan to make at least three spinoff movies that would be released in between the main installments.

It has been reported that Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg are writing and producing the spinoffs.

The Star Wars project marks an amazing career trajectory for Edwards, who went from making a small creature feature for $500,000, 2010’s Monsters, to getting the assignment to take on Godzilla, a monster in need of a 21st century rehabilitation.

The mission was a success, with the Legendary/Warner Bros. movie overperforming when it opened last weekend, grossing $93.1 million. The movie also received strong critical reviews and plenty of fanboy love.

"Gareth's filmmaking talent makes him one of his generation's most creative and visionary directors,” said Legendary Entertainment’s chairman and CEO Thomas Tull in a statement in response to the Star Wars hire. "The plan has always been for Gareth to direct a different film before we started on another Godzilla, but who knew it would a Star Wars installment? We have a great plan in store for Godzilla fans and I am looking forward to seeing Gareth’s imprint on the Star Wars universe."

WME-repped Edwards is attached to direct Godzilla 2 and 3, but while story ideas exist, the Godzilla 2 project is still in early development and does not even have a script.

That frees up Edwards to be part of what is not only one of the biggest franchises in history, but also a project that is a dream for so many filmmakers who grew up loving and being inspired by the storied George Lucas universe.

Star Wars: Episode VII, with J.J. Abrams directing, just began production in Abu Dhabi. The film is set to hit theaters on Dec. 18, 2015.

Disney and Lucasfilm had no comment.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 03, 2014, 02:51:17 PM
The internet seems to be losing it's collective mind over Millennium Falcon set construction pictures.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/star-wars-episode-7-millennium-falcon-set-photos/ (http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/star-wars-episode-7-millennium-falcon-set-photos/)

Everybody, including me. is super stoked, but this could really be a disaster waiting to happen.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 03, 2014, 03:22:48 PM
I like how they're not sure. "that's how it looks..."  and even provide an image for comparison.

Um...well...it very obviously is. Why the "OMG IS IT IS IT?!?!?!" routine?

Between this and Star Trek 3, the movies forum here is just going to devolve into a puddle of tears, right?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 04, 2014, 05:19:15 PM
Abrams response to the leaked photos is perfect:

https://twitter.com/bad_robot/status/474206241603198976/photo/1
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 05, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
That deep fandom joke alone restores my faith in the production.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 23, 2014, 03:09:27 PM
This thread doesn't nearly have the pizzazz the crazy Star Trek rumor thread has! It should, though... Because this Harrison ford thing is ridiculous...


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Uh-oh. Please take out your official Star Wars: Episode VII Salt Lick, but now that it's been officially revealed that Harrison Ford's leg is broken, the rumor is he'll be sidelined for six full months — which means the movie's either getting delayed or massively rewritten.

The potential news comes from the UK-based site Jedi News, who says sources told them of an emergency meeting ay Pinewood Studios this morning to discuss how to handle Ford's sudden unavailability. Since Ford's Han Solo is reportedly the film's lead, the only way to make its Christmas 2015 release date — which Disney has refused to move before — is to rewrite Ford's scenes, or rewrite the script entirely.

Assuming Ford is indeed the main character (which is itself a no-brainer), I honestly don't know how this rumor isn't true. Unless the script has Han Solo sitting down most of the time, something will need to change to accommodate Ford's injury, and that's either the script or the release date. The question is whether Disney would rather take the gamble on a Harrison Ford-light Episode VII movie in December '15, or whether Disney's shareholders and quarterly profit predictions and whatnot have the capacity to be patient.

If I had to guess, I think they'll wait; I think Disney will feel much more comfortable keeping Harrison Ford the movie's main star, no offense to Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher. I also think the side-benefit of giving the film another six months of production time is better than trying force a full script rewrite at this point — as it stands, the movie is only 18 months away...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 23, 2014, 03:51:46 PM
If they don't wait, all hope is lost...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 23, 2014, 04:14:08 PM
Yeah, it's got to wait. Delay it a year if you honestly care about toy sales for Christmas. Otherwise, Memorial day should work.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 21, 2014, 11:51:31 AM
JJ Abrams and an old beat up X-Wing. Pretty geektastic.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 21, 2014, 01:25:36 PM
Supposed plot leak of Episode VII... Less the whole story than the set-up, but still could be spoilerific.

http://io9.com/if-the-rumors-are-true-star-wars-episode-vii-is-weird-1608208842 (http://io9.com/if-the-rumors-are-true-star-wars-episode-vii-is-weird-1608208842)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on July 21, 2014, 01:33:44 PM
The first thing I thought of was this (once rumored as the next movie before the era of the prequels):

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Glove_of_Darth_Vader
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on July 21, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
I think I don't want to read it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 23, 2014, 09:32:05 AM
The more details of this plot leak that turn up, the more I think it's true... and the more I also sort of like it in a way that I feel like I shouldn't.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 18, 2014, 10:44:04 PM
Abrams and Zack Snyder have been doing this goofy back and forth with Star Wars and Batman v. Superman that's a little eye rolling, but certainly good-natured enough.

The latest though is a video that actually gives the first look at the new Millennium Falcon prop and, well, frankly it made me feel seven again... even with the stupid ending.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 28, 2014, 11:24:56 AM
We'll have a teaser trailer for Christmas...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 28, 2014, 12:28:09 PM
I may cry when I see it.

I've also been pretty proud of myself for avoiding spoilers, though I wonder if that'll change once I get some footage into me.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 28, 2014, 03:59:44 PM
Mesmerizing...


Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 03, 2014, 05:15:02 PM
Here we go, bitches:

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Filming of Star Wars Episode VII has officially wrapped on Oct 31
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 03, 2014, 05:17:32 PM
Still avoiding spoilers.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2014, 04:11:07 PM
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Wow...what a lackluster title. Didn't the force "awaken" with, you know, the "return" of the Jedi?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 06, 2014, 05:49:35 PM
I keep wondering if the subtitle should be "The Force Reawakens."
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2014, 10:38:25 AM
Some kid Abramsed up a trailer for Empire and...it's pretty awesome:


Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2014, 01:30:26 PM
Some fake Episode VII trailer made the rounds this weekend, that while not utterly convincing, was pretty good.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2014, 01:38:38 PM
Some fake Episode VII trailer made the rounds this weekend, that while not utterly convincing, was pretty good.

Like you, I'm ignoring that shit until Abrams appears in the sky sometime around Christmas and does what he did for the Star Trek reboot and we all come running to this thread and geekgasm.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 24, 2014, 01:41:44 PM
A lot to unpack here, but this nine theater Episode VII trailer release deal is such 1999 thinking.

For one, what's the marketing value for Episode VII? I understand the "get butts in seats" mentality to pad box office returns which is why the Episode I: The Phantom Menace trailer was released only with Meet Joe Black in 1999. (Remember that movie? Neither does anybody else.) Also, though it's hard to believe, streaming video in 1999 was really, really hard. But what does the brand gain with this weird "only nine theaters in nine cities" deal? That's the way they release indies or mainstream movies in the 1970s.

I certainly don't begrudge them a "theatrical only" trailer premiere on Thursday and the internet premiere on Monday. (Though even that seems like backward thinking these days.) I just don't understand why Disney and Abrams aren't waiting until the December 18 Hobbit deluge to release the Episode VII trailer... which I thought was the original plan. It made sense because the movie comes out in the exact same release spot next year. Might as well brainwash people to expect December 18 to be "bloated fantasy day." Are the grand poobahs trying to make it seem rare and exclusive? It's friggin' Star Wars. You don't sell it like you're selling a Bentley.

Either release the trailer and let it permeate the internet hivemind or don't. It's that simple. I don't get this at all.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/24/7275513/disneys-limited-star-wars-vii-trailer-debut-strategy-is-a-mess (http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/24/7275513/disneys-limited-star-wars-vii-trailer-debut-strategy-is-a-mess)

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Disney courts Star Wars fans on the internet and then slaps them in the face

Old school players, new school rules

This week, large swaths of Star Wars fans will pay upwards of $15 for a ticket to The Penguins of Madagascar and walk out before the movie even starts. The "world premiere" first trailer for Episode VII: The Force Awakens will debut this Friday at nine theaters in the US — potentially more, but the messaging is clear that this is an offline, ticketed event. If you don't live near one of those theaters, then it sucks to be you. That's the message Disney seems to be conveying here.

It's a weird misstep for the company, which so far has been successful in courting the internet at large. This strategy is ostensibly designed with the fans in mind, but by trying to use age-old promotional tactics, it's alienating a rather dedicated following, and more importantly, it's a slap in the face to those who care the most.

In Disney's defense, the studio could not have picked a better weekend to pull this stunt. The day after Thanksgiving is a huge moviegoing day for people — and especially families — in the US. There's the last grasp of summer blockbuster (Interstellar, The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1), "fun-for-the-whole-family" fare (The Penguins of Madagascar, Big Hero 6), Oscar hopefuls looking to meet that deadline for eligibility (The Theory of Everything, The Imitation Game, Rosewater), and "other" (Dumb and Dumber To). Demographically-speaking, the Star Wars trailer will hit a pretty good sampling of its audience.

But most of those who'll end up seeing the Star Wars teaser won't care if they see it first. They're not the ones who scour the internet for every morsel of information, generating as much hype as they are consuming it. That community is much larger than the 20-mile radius around each of nine theaters in the US. There are potentially more theaters, if non-Regal theaters make a similar announcement, but it's still designed to limit exposure and generate hype about the debut itself, rather than the content therein.

None of this takes into account the elephant in the room: that someone will inevitably manage to record the trailer with their smartphone and upload it on YouTube / DailyMotion / Vimeo / Google Drive, and that it'll spread faster than lawyers can catch it. Did Disney learn nothing from The Avengers: Age of Ultron? It was just over a month ago that subsidiary Marvel Studios had to release the trailer early after an internal leak gave us a rough-looking introduction to its big action sequences. (The lawyers, to be sure, haven't forgotten.)

Maybe that's part of the plan. Maybe, in addition to the play-by-play recaps fortunate fans will provide in forums, Disney expects rough leaks to surface. But is that how disney wants people to see this for the first time? On a shaky cam while "Chad' (or whoever) adds color commentary two rows up? Do they think it'll be "cooler" for people to feel like they're seeing something they shouldn't?

Star Wars fans are a special subset of cultural fanaticisms. There have been documentaries created about it. Disney and Lucasfilm know this, and they encourage it — see, for example, a scene-by-scene remake of Empire Strikes Back created through fan submissions. It's a group that would pay good money just to see seconds of never-before-seen footage before anyone else.

Chances are the trailer will be available officially on Monday, streamed for the world to see, but by then, the fans who cared the most will have already seen it — in the worst fidelity imaginable.

We've got over a year until Episode VII actually hits theaters, so it's easy to say that this doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't, really — there's little to no chance that this will affect critical reviews or ticket sales. But a trailer release strategy like this is designed to get the franchise's base of evangelists excited. Only it's failed to understand the internet — if anything, it's more likely to have the opposite effect, pissing off the base, except for the relative few in the core audience that'll get to see it the "right way" this weekend.

If you do get to see it, stick around for Penguins of Madagascar. I saw the trailer online, and it looks cute.
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Post by: nacho on November 24, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
What worries me is that they picked some idiotic generic family movie instead of, yes, something more Hobbit-esque. That tells me that the target audience is going to be the same target audience Jar Jar Binks was aimed at.

Amusingly, parts of the trailer have already leaked online. The discerning internet user is able to watch little 6-10 second snips here and there.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on November 24, 2014, 02:08:30 PM
What worries me is that they picked some idiotic generic family movie instead of, yes, something more Hobbit-esque. That tells me that the target audience is going to be the same target audience Jar Jar Binks was aimed at.

Oh God. I didn't even think about that.

On one level, the original plan probably was to release the trailer on December 18, but as these snippets of footage have leaked they probably decided to get ahead of the game a'la Avengers: Age of Ultron. But Marvel handled that in a totally classy and populist way. (And we should remember that I'm not all that keen on Marvel's business model even though they've proven me wrong insofar.)

Again, I don't understand the marketing value except that they're trying to give it the Bentley treatment which seems utterly misguided.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on December 01, 2014, 07:35:33 PM
All that nerd rage for nothing. Trailer went online Friday.



The parodies that followed are great, particularly this one:

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Post by: RottingCorpse on December 05, 2014, 06:04:13 PM
The Wes Anderson Episode VII trailer....

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Post by: nacho on December 05, 2014, 10:42:20 PM
Watching for the first time! What a boring and vaguely annoying trailer. Also, doesn't a light saber hand guard sort of defeat the purpose of a...hand guard?
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Post by: RottingCorpse on December 06, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
Watching for the first time! What a boring and vaguely annoying trailer. Also, doesn't a light saber hand guard sort of defeat the purpose of a...hand guard?

Be careful. If you Google Episode VII light saber, you'll fall down a giant hole from which you may never return.
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Post by: nacho on December 06, 2014, 11:22:30 AM
I will not be doing that!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on December 06, 2014, 10:46:55 PM
Come on. Try a little. First one's free.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/01/239FB20800000578-0-image-17_1417403279958.jpg)

(http://moargeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/light-balloon.jpg)

(http://moargeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/light-chainsaw.gif)
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Post by: nacho on December 09, 2014, 03:41:10 PM
Come on. Try a little. First one's free.


Okay, okay... But, man, it looks so good! I can't wait for it to be released!

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Post by: RottingCorpse on December 29, 2014, 01:51:40 PM
I love these guys.

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Post by: nacho on December 30, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
It worries me that the sweded version of the trailer is better looking.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 09, 2015, 07:29:07 PM
Detailed close-ups of the models used in the original trilogy. So cool.

http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosities/2014/october/detailed_close_ups_star_wars.htm (http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosities/2014/october/detailed_close_ups_star_wars.htm)
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 09, 2015, 09:42:33 PM
It's awesome how much the toys were like these models.
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Post by: nacho on February 10, 2015, 08:30:01 AM
I miss my Star Wars toys...
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Post by: RottingCorpse on March 24, 2015, 07:20:21 PM
I know I overuse "amazing," but this really is.

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Post by: nacho on March 25, 2015, 08:21:42 AM
The soundtrack is poorly chosen, and, while I love the Macross mashup, it's a bit too much.
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Post by: nacho on April 07, 2015, 02:52:02 PM
So no comment on the backlash to the "digital release" announcement for the first six movies? The internet is losing its mind -- $20 per movie for the digital versions, and the original trilogy is the re-touched shit! It's a huge (and very strange) misstep on the part of Disney.

If only the original trilogy was original format, there wouldn't be such a freakout.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 02:14:41 PM
Yes, I'm watching the Episode VII live stream right now. No, I have no self-respect.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 03:08:43 PM
I'm sure it'll be online shortly, but the new Star Wars trailer turned me into a weeping eight-year-old.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 03:12:37 PM
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Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 03:21:33 PM
Okay. I'm in.
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Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 03:53:35 PM
Okay, so I just watched it 30 times in a row. Make me stop.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 04:00:12 PM
I mercifully had to go to the grocery store.
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Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Wow... So the internet sort of existed for this moment, apparently.
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Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 04:13:55 PM
I'm now sitting here waiting for io9's analysis/breakdown.
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Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 04:17:13 PM
Man...in under two minutes, Abrams healed over a decade of festering wounds... And made Harrison Ford great again.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 04:18:02 PM
The world has pretty much stopped, eh?

Obviously we have to wait for the movie, but if Abrams pulls off the perfect blend of old and new that the '09 Star Trek had, I'll be pleased. I love the wrecked star destroyers, crashed X-wings, and burnt out skull of a Darth Vader helmet that illustrates the past is well, going away. I also love the "adventure begun" vibe with the new character and the panel that led up to the trailer release leaned hard on the fact that this is their story. (Yes, I watched the whole thing.)

The old characters will be was Spock Prime was to Trek '09, a way to link the old with the new. I'm fine with that.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 04:22:16 PM
And Abrams has, hopefully, learned from his mistakes so the second movie won't feature the new characters desperately making a phone call to Lando about whether or not they should trust Boba Fett.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 04:24:08 PM
Or retcon Jabba the Hutt, now played by the kid who played Jeoffry on GoT.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 04:28:20 PM
Also, Luke clearly says "My father HAS it," not "had" it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 04:36:10 PM
Or retcon Jabba the Hutt, now played by the kid who played Jeoffry on GoT.

He said he plans to join the Peace Corps and not act for a few years!

Also, Luke clearly says "My father HAS it," not "had" it.

I heard that. But I figured Ghost Anakin is probably always kicking around like at the end of Jedi.
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Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 04:51:12 PM
And now just revealed that the big red (?) stormtrooper is Breanne of Tarth from GoT. Crossover geekgasm!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 04:51:35 PM
I'm now sitting here waiting for io9's analysis/breakdown.

I'm also refreshing io9.com every 90 seconds.
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Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
I'm now sitting here waiting for io9's analysis/breakdown.

I'm also refreshing io9.com every 90 seconds.

Charlie Jane is probably far too busy watching the trailer over and over again and playing with her vintage AT-AT toy.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 05:04:06 PM
After watching it another dozen times, I really am struck by the subliminal "say goodbye to the old" nature of everything. The first shot of what's probably our new lead girl driving thorough a wrecked X-Wing and Star Destroyer speaks volumes.  The panel did much to introduce the round droid BB-8 as the new R2-D2.

I've been very good at avoiding possible spoilers up to this point. I intend to continue to be good, but man it's hard.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 16, 2015, 05:06:39 PM
It's Abrams. I wouldn't trust spoilers anyway.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on April 16, 2015, 05:23:59 PM
Repost from FB, but I finally figured out what the Vader helmet reminded me of.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2015, 10:24:52 AM
Here, I added a new gif so we can use it liberally in this thread.

starwars!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on April 17, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
Yes.
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Post by: Sirharles on April 17, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
Just for you all

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Post by: nacho on April 18, 2015, 03:44:09 AM
That clip's perfect, Sirharles.
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Post by: monkey! on April 18, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
Here, I added a new gif so we can use it liberally in this thread.

starwars!

The next Daft Punk video.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 20, 2015, 03:12:16 PM
So I totally fell down the rabbithole on what the whispers are saying under Luke's speech. Consensus is that you can't make them out. They're just "sinister whispers." The notable element is that the whispers are gone when he says "you have that power to."

This has been the springboard for the "Luke has fallen" theory that's currently sweeping the net.


Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 20, 2015, 03:14:47 PM
PS: Now that I've been listening to them all day, the "whispers" are a toned down version of whispers usually associated with the proto-Others (back when they were ghosts) in the first season of Lost. So just Abrams-verse recycling?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 20, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
I've avoided the rabbit hole. It goes oh so deep.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 20, 2015, 03:18:06 PM
Abrams is a monster.
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Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 21, 2015, 02:57:28 PM
Guys, have you seen this new trailer! So great!!

:starwars!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 24, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
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Post by: nacho on April 24, 2015, 01:45:29 PM
I shouldn't be as into that as I am...
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Post by: nacho on June 11, 2015, 12:34:36 PM
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Post by: nacho on June 17, 2015, 08:42:00 AM
How did "did Han shoot first?" become a thing? Millions of people for two generations saw it in action?

But, no, we need the shooting script to prove it I guess:

http://www.blastr.com/2015-6-16/image-day-peter-mayhews-star-wars-script-confirms-who-shot-first
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on July 01, 2015, 12:26:05 PM
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 11, 2015, 12:18:38 AM
Oh God. It just has to be good right? I mean, we can't all have our hearts broken again, can we?

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on July 11, 2015, 10:02:46 AM
I have a blind (and misplaced!) faith in Abrams. We'll be fine.
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Post by: nacho on August 05, 2015, 08:40:05 AM
Slowly...day by day...I'm allowing a little glimmer of hope into my soul.

Quote
MTV caught up with Abrams to fire some yes-or-no questions at him about the new Star Wars sequel The Force Awakens. Some of them are silly and wacky, but a biggie also slipped into the mix. The interviewer asked point blank if the new film would reference midi-chlorians at all. You know, the thing most fans hate from the prequels? We’ll go ahead and quote Abrams' answer below for maximum effect:

“No.”

If you’re unfamiliar, midi-chlorians were established in the prequel films as a way to, basically, over-explain The Force. It turned The Force into something biological, instead of something spiritual, which went against the spirit of the original films. Most fans hated it, and felt it was unnecessary — it also threw a boring, pseudo-science explanation onto something that really worked better as a more mystical force (no pun intended). Not everything needs to be explained.

So, good move, J.J. — let’s leave the midi-chlorians to the prequels. Then let's completely forget the prequels exist. Moving on.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on August 11, 2015, 07:37:21 AM
A couple of new scebes:

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Post by: RottingCorpse on August 12, 2015, 03:27:26 PM
New pics galore! The media blitz is beginning I think. Will we all be sick of Star Wars by the time the movie comes out?

http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars-force-awakens-first-look-gallery (http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars-force-awakens-first-look-gallery)
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Post by: RottingCorpse on August 17, 2015, 02:20:14 PM
Has this penetrated your news blackout?

http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/tom-baker-says-hes-joining-new-star-wars-cast (http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/tom-baker-says-hes-joining-new-star-wars-cast)

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Tom Baker says he’s joining new ‘Star Wars’ cast

Doctor Who star Tom Baker has apparently revealed that he’s going to feature in an upcoming Star Wars project.

The 81-year-old actor, who played the Fourth Doctor between 1974 and 1981, was attending the recent ‘Day of the Doctors’ convention in Slough.

As he signed his autograph, Baker reportedly told fans: “I’m going to be in this new Star Wars thing, you know?”

He added: “I’m going down to recording some voices for this new character they’ve created for me, very soon.”

It is unclear if his role will be in JJ Abrams’ Star Wars: The Force Awakens movie, 2017’s Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One movie or in an animated Star Wars series.

Principal photography on The Force Awakens ended last November and the movie is currently in post-production ahead of its release in UK cinemas on 18 December, so voice recording would likely be happening around about now.
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Post by: nacho on August 17, 2015, 03:06:41 PM
No! But he does lots of voiceover work. It probably is for the cartoon.
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Post by: nacho on August 17, 2015, 04:55:04 PM
Wait a minute... Rogue One is a live action show? We're getting live action Star Wars on TV? I totally missed that!

Man, I'm going to dust off my Battle for Endor toys!!

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Post by: Reginald McGraw on August 19, 2015, 05:06:32 PM
No Rogue One is a live action movie.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on August 19, 2015, 07:18:26 PM
How come there are suddenly a thousand Star Wars projects going on? It's like it's all a distraction...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 20, 2015, 11:31:52 AM
Stop thinking. The Disney Machine will calm you. Obey. Consume. Obey.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on August 27, 2015, 02:30:48 PM
Two new shots. I'm pathetic...

https://instagram.com/p/65PhxOs_RH/ (https://instagram.com/p/65PhxOs_RH/)
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 14, 2015, 09:43:04 PM
New trailer is rumored to drop on Monday.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 19, 2015, 11:08:05 AM
New trailer is rumored to drop on Monday.

Trailer premieres tonight at halftime during Monday Night Football... which means I have to try not to cry in the middle of a crowded sports bar.

(http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/10/star-wars-force-awakens-official-poster.jpg)
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Post by: nacho on October 19, 2015, 11:30:23 AM
You'll be too busy laughing at the line that starts right after the trailer and lasts...until December.
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Post by: nacho on October 19, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
The 15 second trailer for the trailer makes me tear up inexplicably...
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 19, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Which one? There's like three out there.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 19, 2015, 12:30:38 PM
Which one? There's like three out there.

The one getting all the news and TV coverage where it's the guy running for his X-Wing and giving side-eye to another guy.
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Post by: nacho on October 19, 2015, 12:36:22 PM
Oh, yeah. I just found all the others. So we'll just stick those together and we have the trailer!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 19, 2015, 12:47:06 PM
I like the side eye one too. It hints at something larger.

All my FB friends are expecting to have their hearts broken when this comes out, but I can't possibly fathom how this can be more soul shattering than the prequels.
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Post by: nacho on October 19, 2015, 03:26:15 PM
I like the side eye one too. It hints at something larger.

All my FB friends are expecting to have their hearts broken when this comes out, but I can't possibly fathom how this can be more soul shattering than the prequels.

Yeah. To be worse than the prequels, it'll actually have to be footage of our grandparents being gang-raped to death by Nazi soldiers.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 19, 2015, 11:44:31 PM

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Post by: nacho on October 20, 2015, 06:47:02 AM
Jesus tittyfucking Christ. I need this movie in me now.
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Post by: nacho on October 20, 2015, 07:56:44 AM
LOL at io9:

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There’s so, so much great stuff here.

Even some J.J. Abrams lens flares!
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Post by: nacho on October 20, 2015, 08:14:14 AM
Okay, so why all the theories that Luke is evil and that's why we don't see him? We do, sort of, with R2. He narrates the first trailer.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2015, 09:43:49 AM
The Luke is evil theory has been bandied about since the film was announced. I've been very good at avoiding spoilers and possible plot lines so I'm going to be good.

What I love most about this trailer is that it still gives us very little, yet also gives us enough. This is the last trailer they'll release too. That I feel like I haven't seen the whole movie shows considerable restraint on the part of Disney. (To be fair, I think they know they don't have to cut a trailer at al and people will show up in droves.)

I also love that the opening shots of Rey exploring a crashed Star Destroyer doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie. It felt like something else. This has all the promise of Abrams' 2009 Star Trek: Something new that jumps off from the familiar.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 20, 2015, 10:15:54 AM


I also love that the opening shots of Rey exploring a crashed Star Destroyer doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie. It felt like something else.

That's because it's a shot-for-shot riff on the opening scene of the first Firefly episode.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2015, 11:32:34 AM
io9's shot by shot breakdown:

http://io9.com/heres-a-shot-by-shot-breakdown-of-all-the-goodies-in-th-1737486310 (http://io9.com/heres-a-shot-by-shot-breakdown-of-all-the-goodies-in-th-1737486310)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 20, 2015, 12:27:03 PM
Man...Han is so going to die. And, when he does, even if it's spoiled for us and we're prepared for it, we're going to cry like babies in a crowded theater.

io9 doesn't suggest that the exploding bridge (with outdated uniforms and droids) is a flashback to events at the end of RotJ. I think it would be awesome if that is the case. That's certainly not a First Order bridge, though (comparing it to the red lens flare bridge shot).
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2015, 12:40:33 PM
I'm actually quite proud of my self-control on avoiding spoilers on this. I want to be surprised.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
The Post takes a brief look at the politics of the new Star Wars universe and ties it into the world in which we live now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/10/19/a-new-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-has-landed-its-true-all-of-it/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/10/19/a-new-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-has-landed-its-true-all-of-it/)

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First full ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ trailer is here? It’s true. All of it.

There are three possible topics of conversation this A.M.:

-Vice President Biden’s decision on whether to run for president
-The Liberal Party’s sweeping electoral victory in Canadialand
-The new “Star Wars” trailer

I’m not going to write about Biden, because with the latest polls, everything I wrote about him last week holds with even greater force now.

I’m not going to write about Canada, because I’ve been tuning out that race for quite some time and there’s no reason to change course now.

So, “Star Wars” it is!

Here’s the trailer, for those of you who haven’t already watched it 50 times to deconstruct it frame by frame:

It has been less than 12 hours since its release and already it has been interpreted and analyzed to death.

I’m extremely wary of the “Star Wars” narrative explicitly addressing politics. Still, there is no denying that this trailer makes a key political point about what happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away:  the Rebel Alliance’s victory in the Battle of Endor was a catastrophic success.

The evidence is right there in this trailer and the previous two. The desert planet of Jakku does not seem to have benefited all that much from the three-decades-old Rebel victory. Daisy Ridley’s character, Rey, appears to be a scavenger, and the planet is just littered with Imperial wreckage. If that hasn’t been cleaned up after 30 years, it’s a good sign that the Rebel Alliance has failed at statebuilding.

An even stronger sign that the Rebels’ victory was short-lived is the evidence in the new trailer that they won the battle but lost the narrative. Consider this exchange of dialogue in the trailer:

REY: There are stories about what happened.

HAN SOLO: It’s true. All of it. The Dark Side. The Jedi. They’re real.

Really? REALLY??!! Thirty years after the Galactic Empire is destroyed and the real history of the battle has been forgotten? Aren’t the victors supposed to be able to write the history? Han and Luke and Leia and Lando and Mon Mothma and Admiral Ackbar and the rest of the Rebel Alliance haven’t broadcast exactly what happened? Where are the holo-documentaries? Why hasn’t the Senate been revived as an institution? Why hasn’t fear been discarded as an instrument to keep the local systems in line?

That’s just poor postwar planning. It’s almost as if the rebels hadn’t expected to win so quickly.

Similarly, Kylo Ren’s ominous pledge in the trailer, “I will finish what you started,” as he caresses the charred helmet of Darth Vader is pretty disturbing. It suggests that the Rebels failed at advertising Vader’s abandonment of the Dark Side in the last minutes of his life, allowing later generations to inappropriately valorize a Sith Lord. This is somewhat less surprising: after all, Luke could not have produced any observable, verifiable evidence of Vader’s last-minute conversion to the light. So this narrative was bound to surface. Still, Mon Mothma and the Rebel leadership should have anticipated and planned for this contingency.

Perhaps we should not be too surprised. “Catastrophic successes” happen all too frequently on this planet as well. Republic-building can be really, really hard. Maybe this new trilogy will be about how the next-generation rebels learn from their predecessors’ mistakes, rolling up their sleeves, engaging in the hard, grubby work of politics, and finally restoring peace and tranquility to the vestiges of the old republic.

I just hope and pray that this movie really, really doesn’t suck.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 20, 2015, 12:51:43 PM
I'm actually quite proud of my self-control on avoiding spoilers on this. I want to be surprised.

It's easy to avoid them! The spoilers that do exist are outrageous and impossible... And anything you attempt to deduce from the trailers is a double blind because this is Abrams.

So I'm working on a "Han is dead" scenario because we see Rey crying over what looks like Han, we see Leia crying in the arms of a high ranking rebel, and Harrison Ford has wanted Han to have a noble death scene for 35 years. 

Is that Post article by someone who didn't actually watch the trailer and decided to make up their own narrative using io9's gifs?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2015, 01:13:56 PM
I'm pretty sure you're right about Han. I thought Leia was crying in Han's arms though.

Missus RC and I just bought tickets to watch it at the Air & Space Museum on opening night.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 20, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
I thought it was Han, too, but io9's still/gif is unclear. It's an older person, but they're in a hybrid Alliance/Imperial uniform. It seems odd that Han would ever put on a uniform.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on October 20, 2015, 04:42:14 PM
I thought it was Han, three.

And, if you look at the part where Han has his hands on his head and slowly takes them off... he's wearing the same clothes (uniform?)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 20, 2015, 04:46:39 PM
I thought it was Han, three.

And, if you look at the part where Han has his hands on his head and slowly takes them off... he's wearing the same clothes (uniform?)

I'll update with further thoughts when I get to 100 obsessive views.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 20, 2015, 05:02:55 PM
I thought it was Han, three.

And, if you look at the part where Han has his hands on his head and slowly takes them off... he's wearing the same clothes (uniform?)

I'll update with further thoughts when I get to 100 obsessive views.

So in like another hour or so?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 21, 2015, 08:30:51 AM
Okay, yes, Han is wearing a uniform jacket, and that is him hugging Leia.

So my confusion was that Han gets the artfully worn leather Indiana Jones version of the uniform jacket versus the standard issue polyester.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 21, 2015, 08:54:33 AM
He *is* Han Solo.

I keep wondering if he's still a general or has he gone back to being Captain Solo?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 21, 2015, 08:13:48 PM
He *is* Han Solo.

I keep wondering if he's still a general or has he gone back to being Captain Solo?

If the Alliance is still in action, he's a general. He was commissioned in Jedi. (*suicide*)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 27, 2015, 05:01:50 PM
Okay, so why all the theories that Luke is evil and that's why we don't see him? We do, sort of, with R2. He narrates the first trailer.

This is an insane fan theory about how we saw Luke turn to the dark side in ROTJ, but we just didn't realize it.

https://medium.com/@robconery/luke-skywalker-sith-lord-f8a11072f246#. (https://medium.com/@robconery/luke-skywalker-sith-lord-f8a11072f246#.)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 27, 2015, 06:11:34 PM
Evil Luke would be pretty awesome... And a great second act reveal, eh?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 28, 2015, 11:57:47 PM
Have you guys read this? It's so on the nose it hurts.

Quote
What If The New Star Wars Sucks, Too?

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/what-if-the-new-star-wars-sucks-too-1737539377 (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/what-if-the-new-star-wars-sucks-too-1737539377)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 29, 2015, 12:15:16 AM
I feel the need to immortalize this for this thread so we can stumble across it ten years from now:


Quote
I think the dick-shittingest moment, for me, was when the new Darth Vader guy was doing the Force to the other guy’s brain, but the low-altitude aerial combat was strong as hell, too.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on October 29, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
I can't agree with the disparagement of Jedi. It remains my favorite, though I acknowledge Empire is a better movie.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 29, 2015, 03:22:18 PM
I have great love for Jedi too, but i remember thinking it hadn't aged as well as the other two the last time I watched the trilogy.

Speaking of which, I can't remember the last time I watched the original trilogy. I think it's been at least ten years at this point. Missus RC are going to do a December marathon of the original trilogy (no prequels) leading up to December 18. It'll be curious to see how I look at Star Wars now.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 29, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
I have great love for Jedi too, but i remember thinking it hadn't aged as well as the other two the last time I watched the trilogy.

Speaking of which, I can't remember the last time I watched the original trilogy. I think it's been at least ten years at this point. Missus RC are going to do a December marathon of the original trilogy (no prequels) leading up to December 18. It'll be curious to see how I look at Star Wars now.


At my place on the uber TV and with the gigantic fan-edit files that combine the laserdisc versions with all of the modern technology from the modern Lucas edits! They're...um...amazing. It's basically blu-ray HD quality of the original, unfucked-with trilogy.

Jedi is problematic. I think there's a little bit of Classic Doctor Who syndrome there. You have to have loved it when you were 10 so you can still love it when you're 41.



Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on October 29, 2015, 04:27:45 PM
At my place on the uber TV and with the gigantic fan-edit files that combine the laserdisc versions with all of the modern technology from the modern Lucas edits! They're...um...amazing. It's basically blu-ray HD quality of the original, unfucked-with trilogy.

That...sounds amazing.

Jedi is problematic. I think there's a little bit of Classic Doctor Who syndrome there. You have to have loved it when you were 10 so you can still love it when you're 41.

Yeah, probably. And I'm okay with that. I did, so I can!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 29, 2015, 07:37:16 PM
At my place on the uber TV and with the gigantic fan-edit files that combine the laserdisc versions with all of the modern technology from the modern Lucas edits! They're...um...amazing. It's basically blu-ray HD quality of the original, unfucked-with trilogy.

That...sounds amazing.



It is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fullmoviesongoogle/comments/2qr04w/star_wars_original_trilogy_despecialized_edition/

(Don't download from there. Bad, bad.)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 06, 2015, 10:46:24 AM
So...the international trailer is about to destroy the internet. Posting here with just a few thousand views! Check in with the view counts when you see it!

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on November 06, 2015, 10:56:42 AM
Hooooly shit....and just under 25k when I viewed it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 07, 2015, 10:31:01 AM
Okay, got to 6 million in 18 hours.

So I was sitting here thinking about poor Daisy Ridley. 23 years old, pretty much new to acting. Her career is going to end this December, eh? Just like Mark Hamill's did.

Of course, unlike Hamill, she's probably getting paid 50 million bucks a movie plus backend stuff, right?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 09, 2015, 09:39:17 AM
This international trailer and a new TV spot too!

I'm going to stop watching new clips. my greatest fear at this point is that I'll let it be spoiled for me.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 09, 2015, 01:46:36 PM
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 09, 2015, 06:24:09 PM
For the record -- the Phantom Menace trailers were not cool.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 10, 2015, 06:46:27 PM
Okay, got to 6 million in 18 hours.

Just getting to this today because life is insane right now, but 10.8 million views! And it looks awesome!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 10, 2015, 10:18:41 PM
Okay, got to 6 million in 18 hours.

Just getting to this today because life is insane right now, but 10.8 million views! And it looks awesome!

And did I read that Force Awakens is currently the best selling movie in history at the box office...over a month before release!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 12, 2015, 04:28:20 PM
And did I read that Force Awakens is currently the best selling movie in history at the box office...over a month before release!

By $ or # ?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 12, 2015, 04:50:22 PM
Money. The preorder ticket scheme.

But now I can't find the article because I'm pseudo-mobile all the time in these days of not using APA computers.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 12, 2015, 05:11:14 PM
Oh well, I'm not as impressed. Beat Gone with the Wind on total tickets sold and we'll talk.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 12, 2015, 06:23:54 PM
Oh well, I'm not as impressed. Beat Gone with the Wind on total tickets sold and we'll talk.

Avatar came within a quarter million!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 13, 2015, 02:09:19 PM
Oh well, I'm not as impressed. Beat Gone with the Wind on total tickets sold and we'll talk.

Avatar came within a quarter million!

If that's true, then this one might do it.  If it's good...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 16, 2015, 12:45:11 PM
I'm going to stop watching new clips. my greatest fear at this point is that I'll let it be spoiled for me.

They keep releasing TV spots with new footage. I keep watching them. They're not ruining the story, though 'm starting to be able to see the basic structure of the film. I should stop watching, but I can't help myself.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 16, 2015, 06:35:24 PM
I'm going to stop watching new clips. my greatest fear at this point is that I'll let it be spoiled for me.

They keep releasing TV spots with new footage. I keep watching them. They're not ruining the story, though 'm starting to be able to see the basic structure of the film. I should stop watching, but I can't help myself.

I'm curious as to whether or not you really expected a complicated structure for the film with twists and turns vs. an aping of A New Hope.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2015, 10:22:42 AM
I expect it to be Star Trek '09; a reboot that hits all the right emotional notes in the story (and yes, structurally apes A New Hope) while tweaking it enough to make 2015 audiences happy.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
Oh, okay... Same here.

So...there's no way to actually ruin the story, then. Black guy and Brit girl = Han and Luke, the old cast = Obi Wan, Luke = Yoda (whether bad or good), the bad guy = Vader, the bad guy has a Death Star. The leader of the rebels is threatened with the destruction of his planet. The rebels must fight the bad guy, during which Black guy and Brit girl will commence on their hero's journey.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2015, 11:53:13 AM
Yeah, it's going to be as safe as Star Trek '09 was. I think the "Where is Luke Skywalker?/Is he evil?" issue at hand is your typical Abrams ruse. He'll end up being a Yoda/Obi Wan figure that will probably die a'la Obi Wan in Episode VIII.

The Force Awakens is pretty much foolproof, especially after the clusterfuck of the prequels. It's the sequels that have a hill to climb.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2015, 12:36:18 PM
Yeah, it's going to be as safe as Star Trek '09 was. I think the "Where is Luke Skywalker?/Is he evil?" issue at hand is your typical Abrams ruse. He'll end up being a Yoda/Obi Wan figure that will probably die a'la Obi Wan in Episode VIII.

The Force Awakens is pretty much foolproof, especially after the clusterfuck of the prequels. It's the sequels that have a hill to climb.

The formula is there for the sequels, too!

Force Awakens: The hero's journey begins.
Sequel 1: It's darkest before the dawn.
Sequel 2: Cash in on merchandising tie-ins.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2015, 12:42:33 PM
Somebody recently told me that "Ewok" was just "Wookie" reengineered since Wookies were supposed to be in the final battle of RotJ. It had never occurred to me before and made me feel so betrayed. I didn't think I could feel betrayed by Star Wars anymore.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2015, 12:57:50 PM
Somebody recently told me that "Ewok" was just "Wookie" reengineered since Wookies were supposed to be in the final battle of RotJ. It had never occurred to me before and made me feel so betrayed. I didn't think I could feel betrayed by Star Wars anymore.

Absolutely untrue considering that the Ewok Adventure series was in the planning stages to tie-in with RotJ. They were a marketing ploy not just for toys, but one of the ...uh...more successful(?) spin-offs. A merchandiser's wet dream. They were also featured in the prequel comic books that linked Empire and RotJ.

So if Wookies were ever planned to play a role in the conclusion, it was a plan that died before Empire was released.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
I *think* in one of those regional drafts of "The Star Wars" before it was ever shot, Wookies were in eh final battle. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2015, 01:24:09 PM
I *think* in one of those regional drafts of "The Star Wars" before it was ever shot, Wookies were in eh final battle. I could be wrong.

Back in the "agrarian space fantasy" days?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2015, 01:33:36 PM
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 17, 2015, 04:07:59 PM
Haha! Yes!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 20, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
By the way, the "Yoda" scene in George Lucas in Love is exactly what a script meeting with my film school thesis advisor was like.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 21, 2015, 12:56:10 PM
Our carrier crews have too much time on their hands...

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 21, 2015, 03:45:11 PM
I was just coming here to post this. So good.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 21, 2015, 05:33:46 PM
I was just coming here to post this. So good.

I find it worrisome that we could basically conquer the entire planet with two carriers...and we have 12...and counting.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 02, 2015, 11:14:19 PM
I have great love for Jedi too, but i remember thinking it hadn't aged as well as the other two the last time I watched the trilogy.

Speaking of which, I can't remember the last time I watched the original trilogy. I think it's been at least ten years at this point. Missus RC are going to do a December marathon of the original trilogy (no prequels) leading up to December 18. It'll be curious to see how I look at Star Wars now.


At my place on the uber TV and with the gigantic fan-edit files that combine the laserdisc versions with all of the modern technology from the modern Lucas edits! They're...um...amazing. It's basically blu-ray HD quality of the original, unfucked-with trilogy.

Jedi is problematic. I think there's a little bit of Classic Doctor Who syndrome there. You have to have loved it when you were 10 so you can still love it when you're 41.





That guy on your FB post is talking about these, RC!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 03, 2015, 08:50:55 AM
That guy is Matt from the forums!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 03, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
That guy is Matt from the forums!

You mean Matt Matt? The one Cass always tortured? He needs to come back to the forums.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 03, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
Yes! Matt Matt!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 03, 2015, 01:20:54 PM
Matt Matt!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 07, 2015, 12:56:01 PM
Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher need tro shut the fuck up.

Wah, wah, I need to lose weight because Leia would have aged more gracefully and maybe practiced moderation instead of being a washed up, gluttonous pig.

Hey guys, I'm going to talk about the climax on twitter...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 07, 2015, 01:22:21 PM
Yeah, I'm in a Star Wars media blackout. Pretty sure I can hold out for two weeks.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 07, 2015, 03:55:26 PM
Yeah, I'm in a Star Wars media blackout. Pretty sure I can hold out for two weeks.

Today's real news is that the Star Trek Beyond trailer will run before the movie!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 12, 2015, 10:21:57 AM
Am I having a stroke Because I watched The Phantom Menace the day after watching Return of the Jedi and didn't think it was all that bad. Is it terribly written and acted? Sure, but hey pssst... So is Return of the Jedi.

I'm sure Attack of the Clones is still an abomination.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 12, 2015, 11:42:19 AM
Am I having a stroke Because I watched The Phantom Menace the day after watching Return of the Jedi and didn't think it was all that bad. Is it terribly written and acted? Sure, but hey pssst... So is Return of the Jedi.

I'm sure Attack of the Clones is still an abomination.

As a die hard Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor apologist, I'm going to have to admit here that they sort of saved Phantom Menace. The movie still horrifies me and breaks my heart, but I didn't mind watching those two...and am still impressed with McGregor's impersonation of Alec Guinness.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2015, 12:54:12 PM
Looks like I'll be using Chrome all week.

Quote
Block potential Star Wars: The Force Awakens spoilers with this Chrome add-on

http://arstechnica.co.uk/the-multiverse/2015/12/block-potential-star-wars-the-force-awakens-spoilers-with-this-chrome-add-on/ (http://arstechnica.co.uk/the-multiverse/2015/12/block-potential-star-wars-the-force-awakens-spoilers-with-this-chrome-add-on/)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 15, 2015, 01:04:52 PM
Looks like I'll be using Chrome all week.

Quote
Block potential Star Wars: The Force Awakens spoilers with this Chrome add-on

http://arstechnica.co.uk/the-multiverse/2015/12/block-potential-star-wars-the-force-awakens-spoilers-with-this-chrome-add-on/ (http://arstechnica.co.uk/the-multiverse/2015/12/block-potential-star-wars-the-force-awakens-spoilers-with-this-chrome-add-on/)

I've even had to avoid Feedly and my aggregate sites. So far so good!

Except for that scene revealing that Jar-Jar is the new emperor.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 15, 2015, 01:20:48 PM
"I will finish...what you started..."

"Meesa pleeeaaased!"
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2015, 02:10:39 PM
Have you read the Darth Jar-Jar fan theory?

https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 15, 2015, 02:16:52 PM
Haha. No!

And I'm not going to, either!

So there.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
It's really nothing but an utter time suck. Fascinating though.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 15, 2015, 02:22:06 PM
Look, just leave me alone with my Jones the Cat fan fiction.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2015, 02:33:39 PM
I just picked up my tickets, BTW. Suddenly, it's starting to sink in that I'm going to see a new Star Wars movie. I haven't felt like this since The Phantom Menace. I hope I don't feel the same way after.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 15, 2015, 02:37:25 PM
Spoiler free.  John Williams and Abrams scoring the movie. There is one scene that we see on the editing machine of that weird creature with the AT-AT head we've already seen (though not in motion). Brief interaction with the main girl and BB-8. No real context. We only see a couple seconds, mainly to illustrate the departure from CGI. The discussion of the Disney Police is amazing... We only see what's been approved.

There's also some close-up motion shots of BB-8 "talking" away from those same few seconds with the AT-AT horse thing.

Otherwise, all the other footage is from the two main trailers.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 15, 2015, 02:40:47 PM
I just picked up my tickets, BTW. Suddenly, it's starting to sink in that I'm going to see a new Star Wars movie. I haven't felt like this since The Phantom Menace. I hope I don't feel the same way after.

I think we're going to be fine. Everything feels right.

Worry more about episode 8, which will be exactly like Empire Strikes Back, except it'll be a gender role reversal at the end and San Francisco will be destroyed.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2015, 02:56:45 PM

Worry more about episode 8, which will be exactly like Empire Strikes Back, except it'll be a gender role reversal at the end and San Francisco will be destroyed.

Or worse, it'll be like Attack of the Clones. Our prequel revisit week continues. This is the first time I've watched the prequel trilogy together actually. I'm going to reiterate how much of TPM I'm willing to forgive. Despite some terrible details, the overall structure works and rather you want to admit it or not, is very Star Wars.

AotC is much harder to defend. It's really awful. It's awful structurally as well as in the details. I still don't know who ordered the Clone army to be built and why, and I even went back while watching the movie to try and find the scenes where they talk about it. Its' a garbled muddy mess, made all the worse by the most unbelievable love story with the most unlikable protagonist every put to celluloid. Anakin is creepy as hell. I go back to Plinkett's review where he lists all the things Anakin does wrong in wooing Padme, and it 's really awful That she has any response to him but "restraining order" is the most unbelievable aspect of the movie.

And yet the pieces are there that could have been something cool. Lucas needed to let the writers build the story from his outlines. The evolution of Palpatine and the fall of the republic has a bit of weight to it with the knowledge of how things break down in Revenge of the Sith. Having not read what I wrote about it in the immediate aftermath (which should be in the beginning of this thread, yes?), I feel that one held up okay in multiple viewings. We'll see after tonight or tomorrow though.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 16, 2015, 10:29:51 AM
Oh God, the reviews are out! Two more days...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 16, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
Oh God, the reviews are out! Two more days...

I am in total blackout mode. Which means I have to spend the next four hours here at work reading a book and then drawing endless spiral patterns in my notebook with colored pens.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 16, 2015, 02:15:22 PM
I'm going to use the next two days as an excuse to get as much non-internet work done as possible.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 16, 2015, 06:27:20 PM
Rotten Tomatoes vacillating between
Spoiler
97%
and
Spoiler
96%
.

It's that
Spoiler
good
!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 18, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
Star Wars Day!

I think GS is the last bastion of spoiler safe internet. Facebook is awash with people who saw midnight showings last night, and every other headline on any other site is "SEVEN THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE FORCE AWAKENS!!" Thankfully, I have a ton of errand to run today before leaving in the afternoon to go stand in line for four hours before my screening. (The discussion about how Star Wars somehow turns us all into Soviet era peasants will have to wait until another day.)

I have an 8pm showing today. Nacho is at 10pm. Reggie, Sirharles, and monkey, let us know when you plan to see or have seen it. If we all agree once we've all seen it, we can open the thread up for full discussion.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 18, 2015, 10:51:36 AM
Star Wars Day!

I think GS is the last bastion of spoiler safe internet. Facebook is awash with people who saw midnight showings last night, and every other headline on any other site is "SEVEN THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE FORCE AWAKENS!!" Thankfully, I have a ton of errand to run today before leaving in the afternoon to go stand in line for four hours before my screening. (The discussion about how Star Wars somehow turns us all into Soviet era peasants will have to wait until another day.)

I have a 8:pm showing today. Nacho is at 10pm. Reggie, Sirharles, and monkey, let us know when you plan to see or have seen it. If we all agree once we've all seen it, we can open the thread up for full discussion.

I'm going with Nacho at 10.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on December 18, 2015, 11:09:45 AM
What's Star Wars?

Summarise.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 18, 2015, 11:18:21 AM
Well, when a man and woman love each other, the man puts his lightsaber into the woman's exhaust port...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on December 18, 2015, 11:22:49 AM
And Jarjars her Binks?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 18, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
If he wants to make her cry, yes.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 18, 2015, 12:05:45 PM
Star Wars Day!

I think GS is the last bastion of spoiler safe internet. Facebook is awash with people who saw midnight showings last night, and every other headline on any other site is "SEVEN THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE FORCE AWAKENS!!" Thankfully, I have a ton of errand to run today before leaving in the afternoon to go stand in line for four hours before my screening. (The discussion about how Star Wars somehow turns us all into Soviet era peasants will have to wait until another day.)

I have a 8:pm showing today. Nacho is at 10pm. Reggie, Sirharles, and monkey, let us know when you plan to see or have seen it. If we all agree once we've all seen it, we can open the thread up for full discussion.

I'm going with Nacho at 10.

I'm going with Nacho at 10.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 18, 2015, 12:09:57 PM
So we can talk all about it tomorrow morning because Monkey's too drunk on wine to care about spoilers.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 18, 2015, 12:10:43 PM
I'm literally pacing my house and having Star Wars themed conversations with my pets right now.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 18, 2015, 12:39:30 PM
I'm literally pacing my house and having Star Wars themed conversations with my pets right now.

Yeah. I'm high strung as hell. There's the kid in me that's sooooo excited and can't wait, Christmas morning style.

Then there's the adult in me that's:

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 18, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
Oh, good. I'll go down the Spaced Star Wars hole!

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 18, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
Oh, that'll blow some time!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 18, 2015, 03:32:24 PM
I've starting the process of getting ready to leave; shower and shave. Missus RC got us brand new Star Wars shirts for the occasion. There's really something to the ritual of it all that's important to me. I even got all in a dither over each one of the prequels.

Speaking of the prequels, while a back to back rematch confirms that Attack of the Clones is absolutely dreadful from start to finish, The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith without the weight of expectation are passable. What really struck me on a marathon of the prequels is how most of the elements Lucas put in place could have added up to something really great. Everybody bitches about how CGI overkill is what ruins the prequels. (It doesn't help.) However, at their core, it's a writing problem that foils them. You feel like Lucas made a lot of the corrections for Revenge of the Sith, but by that point was too late. The damage was done. (And I said it before, but Return of the Jedi is only slightly better than The Phantom Menace. In fact I might make the argument that TPM trumps RotJ as an individual movie.)

The Phantom Menace is still my favorite of the prequels, even if it's simply for nostalgia's sake. I can remember vividly watching the trailer online, and the build-up to the film's release. I was an apologist for it at first simply because I thought mediocre Star Wars was better than no Star Wars. Watching it again, I felt all the groovy little moments I felt in 1999.

Man, I'm going to be weepy mess tonight.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2015, 09:15:44 AM
I think I'll start with the bad...

1) So...that was just A New Hope with a few new tricks. Which isn't bad, per se, but it felt a little bit lazy to me. More like this was a reboot than a continuation of the saga.

2) Abrams forgot where everyone was from time to time. This was most obvious with the rebel base acting like they had the Death Star on their doorstep again when Starkiller is really far away with a super long range gun. No delay there in communication?

3) The presence of Starkiller base itself was sort of lost in the mix. It's scarier than the Death Stars and yet the movie was so busy and crowded that, even after the mass murder of some random planet, it's like, yeah, whatever. The bad guys took on yet another super large scale building project that's vulnerable to mice.

4) The bad guys really felt lost to me (and were where the worst overcrowding was). Phasma is barely used, Andy Serkis is just doing Andy Serkis at this point, Ren spends more time having tantrums than doing anything else, Hux is like every annoying bully from an 80s movie. They're all sort of vying for screentime and I just sort of lost interest in all of them. They're a bunch of twerps surrounded by redshirts.

5) #4's twerpiness factor. Ren wasn't effective at all. He's a whiny, crying pretty boy with daddy issues. His tantrums almost felt embarrasing, and were more comic (and used for comic effect) than to illustrate anything deeper like madness or terror. He was beholden to Hux in a way that not even Tarkin had over Vader. In fact, Hux walked all over him, and Ren's reaction was to go to his room and cry. I guess he's on a journey...but I feel like that journey only started when he killed Han so poor us for having to sit there for two hours and watch him twist the heads off his Barbie dolls.

6) Of the new people, the only one I really cared about was BB-8. Finn was a dead fish the whole time. I guess he's the new Han, but yawn, yawn. Poe was all like, "Gosh, BB-8, acting is hard!" The rebel base cameo-a-thon was ridiculous.  Rey did a good job, and I became increasingly entranced by her as the story went on, but the overcrowding factor played a part in sort of eclipsing her as well. I felt like she was Anakin in Phantom Menace all over again.

7) Convenience ex machina. R2 just happens to wake up at the right time? Every one is in the right place at the right time to connect. There's a map to Luke's location that everyone has except for one little piece. And a million other little things.

So...the good...

All the old timers were amazing. I was worried they'd be a bit too creaky, but they weren't. Very happy all around with them, and how they were handled. In fact, despite all of the above, that goes for the whole movie. This was a respectful and enjoyable addition to the franchise. I forgive them for aping A New Hope, and I'm very glad that they aren't simply handing off the baton to a new generation but, instead, keeping the old and new mixed. I do feel invested, entertained, and well-hooked. I wasn't knocked off my feet and, with the exception of Han's death, I didn't feel as emotionally overwhelmed as I hoped (and as I did feel during Star Trek 09!), but that's okay. Abrams walked a very thin line with this movie and he pulled it off. It was good for people who had never seen Star Wars before, and it was good for those of us who had. It started a new era of the franchise, and it embraced the old. In terms of rebooting, this may be the first reboot I've seen that took the most care and consideration about the universe it was rebooting. Which gives me hope.

Most importantly, this healed the wounds of the prequels. This was what a Star Wars movie should be.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2015, 09:44:23 AM
Now I can go nuts online!

io9 talking about all the stuff in the trailers that wasn't in the movie!

http://io9.gizmodo.com/all-the-stuff-from-the-force-awakens-trailers-that-wasn-1748720944

I wondered about a lot of that stuff, as well.

And these are only, like, half the cameos:

http://www.mtv.com/news/2690893/star-wars-the-force-awakens-cameos/
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 19, 2015, 12:18:57 PM
Big picture first: I loved The Force Awakens. It hit all the right notes in all the right places. It captivated and moved me. It's not a perfect movie. Hell, it might not be a perfect Star Wars movie, but it does everything it's supposed to do. It made me smile. It made me laugh and cry, sometimes together. It drew me in, It took me on a ride that, yes, I'd been on before but had never quite experienced in quite that way.

I'm going to start with what's missing. This is the first Star Wars movie where George Lucas was not involved on any level. A lot of people think that's a good thing, but there was something distinctly "Star Wars" missing from this film tonality. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but just something I noticed. Tonally, there was none of Lucas's particular brand of quiet, subtle surreality and pointedness. (And I'm talking tone, not style. The visuals of the prequels were anything but quiet or subtle.) This was a JJ Abrams film; a Walt Disney Company JJ Abrams film.

Okay, I'm going to tell you how the meeting between Abrams and the Disney execs went: The execs said, "Look, we want you do with Star Wars what you did with Star Trek." And Abrams nodded, gave a thumbs up, and went to work. It's for this reason I don't lament how deeply The Force Awakens apes A New Hope. I wholly expected it. I don't think it's lazy as much as it was risk-free. It was the safest route from a story perspective, the same way revenge obsessed Romulans and the academy years was the safest route for the Star Trek reboot. That's what Disney wanted, and I think after the prequels, it's also what fans wanted. (Even if maybe they didn't exactly think or know they wanted it.)

And we all agree this is a reboot, yes? Forget the nods to what's come before, and all the older actors being back for this and for sequels. The Force Awakens is a reboot of Star Wars for a 21st century audience. It's no mistake that someone from another planet who's never heard of Star Wars could watch this movie and not be confused. Disney didn't buy Star Wars because of some grand artistic archival project. They did it to make money, and make no mistake, this thing is making money hand over fist. (On track for a $225 million weekend domestically, a new record, at the time of this writing.)

I don't want to sound jaded and callous because as a filmgoing experience, I found The Force Awakens to be magical and soulful. I guess I'm mentioning this because these are intellectual and practical considerations I had come to terms with before ever entering the theater. I expected the movie to hit all the same beats as A New Hope just as I expected it to *not* lean too heavily on the past except for nostalgia's sake. In this way, The Force Awakens is no different from Star Trek '09, Terminator: Genisys, Creed, or any of the other "nostalgia reboots" that have come out or are coming out. (The new Ghostbusters and Independence Day will do the exact same thing. Bank on it.) That's Hollywood in the 21st Century and I've come to terms with it. It's how things are.

You know what my most emotional experience of the whole movie was? The opening scroll. After the wartime committee report of the prequel scrolls, "Luke Skywalker has vanished" drilled right into my heart. I loved every word of it. It was the perfect set up for a Star Wars movie. It was made all the better that I had avoided spoilers and knew nothing about the story. I mean, when was the last time we didn't know anything about a friggin' Star Wars movie? With the prequels, we knew how the story was going to end we just didn't know how. Here, we're on new ground. After that cliffhanger ending, I have no idea what happens in Episode VIII. I have ideas, assumptions, theories, but they're just that. In that way, this new movie captures the magic of the Star Wars of our youth; the possibility of the future, of "adventure begun."

I keep coming back to the prequels. Part of the reason is that I (perhaps misguidedly) watched the original trilogy *before* the prequel trilogy during my recent Star Wars marathon. All their flaws and their few successes are fresh in my mind. Upon first viewing of The Force Awakens, I didn't catch any direct references to the prequels, and the opening line ("This will begin to make things right.") seems to be a subtle rebuke of them. I think Abrams' intent was indeed to "heal the wounds" of the prequels, but I personally hope he doesn't outright forget them. (I have theories about Supreme Leader Snoke that relate directly to them actually.) That said, we were all betrayed by the prequels weren't we? I said to multiple people this week in talking about my enthusiasm about seeing The Force Awakens that I hadn't been this excited about the movie since The Phantom Menace. The near universal response was, "Well, we know how that turned out, don't we?"

The Force Awakens restored my faith in Star Wars. And in the end, I think that's ultimately all that matters. I don't think I can stress how important the original trilogy was in my formation as a filmmaker, a story teller, a person. With the prequels, while my childhood wasn't ruined, something was lost, tainted. This movie mends the big rip in my favorite sweater. The stitches don't quite match up, and you know there was a hole there, but I'm not ashamed to wear it anymore. That, more than anything is what last night was about for me.

I didn't get to any details or things I disagree with Nacho about (particularly Kylo Ren who I think is a near perfect Star Wars villain), but we have time. After all, Episode VIII is still two years out.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2015, 12:58:17 PM
I will say that the First Order goes a lot further towards the "space Nazis" end of the spectrum than the Empire could have ever dreamed of doing. The Empire still had that senatorial feel about it -- it was being run by the bureaucrats and former royalty of the Old Republic. The First Order was very post-Weimar. So I enjoyed that touch.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 19, 2015, 01:10:31 PM
Yeah, that opening battle/slaughter was super Gestapo. Did you notice how the First Order is made up of mostly young people (execute for Snoke) while the resistance seemed like it was all these old war horses, the old guard fighting the new guard? It's like they, The First Order, are the now the "rebellion." Interesting dichotomy.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2015, 01:15:05 PM
Yeah, that opening battle/slaughter was super Gestapo. Did you notice how the First Order is made up of mostly young people (execute for Snoke) while the resistance seemed like it was all these old war horses, the old guard fighting the new guard? It's like they, The First Order, are the now the "rebellion." Interesting dichotomy.

Yeah That's what I mean! Except for the ringleaders, the NSDAP was a young man's game in the 30s. Whereas the Weimar Republic was run by a bunch of old guard types trying to keep everything together in a fucked up broken world. And, indeed, the Nazi party was very much a "rebellion" when first taking power.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 19, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Okay, Nacho. I'm taking your bad one by one.

1) So...that was just A New Hope with a few new tricks. Which isn't bad, per se, but it felt a little bit lazy to me. More like this was a reboot than a continuation of the saga.

I think I addressed this above though I'll reiterate that I'd use the term "risk-adverse" instead of "lazy." That said, I agree that structurally The Force Awakens hit all the same beats as A New Hope.

2) Abrams forgot where everyone was from time to time. This was most obvious with the rebel base acting like they had the Death Star on their doorstep again when Starkiller is really far away with a super long range gun. No delay there in communication?

So I think I'm going to need a second viewing on this. I didn't notice it all, but as far as logistics go, I was a little confused myself. My biggest point of confusion was as to whether the "republic" Starkiller Base destroyed was Coruscant from the prequel trilogy. It looked like it, but they didn't explicitly call it that.

Can we also give some lip service to the ridiculousness of the "science" of this movie, particularly the way light speed was used? Whatever happened to "precise calculations or you end up in a supernova" from the first movie?

3) The presence of Starkiller base itself was sort of lost in the mix. It's scarier than the Death Stars and yet the movie was so busy and crowded that, even after the mass murder of some random planet, it's like, yeah, whatever. The bad guys took on yet another super large scale building project that's vulnerable to mice.

"Again, it's like poetry. It rhymes."

They seem to utilize Han Solo as the audience's mindset for this movie. He's like "the others had a weakness. This one does too, right?" The Imperials/First Order really do need to hire a designer that knows how to hide the fucking minute flaws in the operations of these things.

By the way, your "vulnerable to mice" comment made me laugh out loud.

4) The bad guys really felt lost to me (and were where the worst overcrowding was). Phasma is barely used, Andy Serkis is just doing Andy Serkis at this point, Ren spends more time having tantrums than doing anything else, Hux is like every annoying bully from an 80s movie. They're all sort of vying for screentime and I just sort of lost interest in all of them. They're a bunch of twerps surrounded by redshirts.

See my response below, but I'm going say I was okay with this because Kylo Ren was the main bad guy. I did think Phasma was mostly unimpressive when she was supposed to be Boba Fett. Hux was supposed to basically be Grand Moff Tarkin and you have to admit his Hitler speech was pretty good. Snoke was suppose to be the Emporer in Empire (as opposed to the Emperor in Jedi.) and we'll get more of him later. I agree that other than Ren, they were underutilized, but are the individual villains really all that important? Even Tarkin's narrative importance (and even Vader's in the first movie) was to show how evil the Empire was. Hux and Phasma serve similar purposes. I bet we get more of them in the next movie.

5) #4's twerpiness factor. Ren wasn't effective at all. He's a whiny, crying pretty boy with daddy issues. His tantrums almost felt embarrasing, and were more comic (and used for comic effect) than to illustrate anything deeper like madness or terror. He was beholden to Hux in a way that not even Tarkin had over Vader. In fact, Hux walked all over him, and Ren's reaction was to go to his room and cry. I guess he's on a journey...but I feel like that journey only started when he killed Han so poor us for having to sit there for two hours and watch him twist the heads off his Barbie dolls.

This is the place where my and your opinions diverge the widest. I absoluely loved, LOVED Kylo Ren. We have a real evil villain again, especially by the end of this movie. He's the anti-Vader. With Vader we had the baddest man in the galaxy remembering he's a good guy, a dark figure fighting his way to the light. Here we're seeing the bad guy losing the last bit of light he has left. Kylo Ren
Spoiler
killed Han Solo for god's sake!
I don't give two shits if that guy *ever* turns back to the light side. It's exactly the type of villain Star Wars needs. (One which the prequels sorely lacked until Episode III, and even then there was no pathos to Palpatine.)

The violent tantrums are scary to me because he's a kid who's evil, violent, and can't fucking control his impulses. The interrogation scene with Rey was downright rapey, and I don't think that's a mistake. This guy is bad, and we saw him get all physically fucked up (in a way so fucking superior than how Lucas handled Anakin/Vader) that he'll begin to become "more machine now than man."

Kylo Ren stole the movie in my opinion. His was far away the nest performance except maybe Ford's. And the scene on the bridge between the two of them? Riveting. Fucking amazing! That was the only other instance in which I wept.
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Han's death was expected and the event itself while devastating had it's legs cut out from under by the implicit knowledge that the only way they got Ford to come back was by agreeing Han Solo would die. (Chewie's reaction both during the scene and in the aftermath also got under my skin, and I found it really dusty in the theater.

More later!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2015, 02:49:47 PM
Yeah, Chewie flipping out was weirdly reserved. I wanted to see him pick up and throw people around.

I'm willing to accept Ren in this movie and go back on what I said... Like I said to Reggie and Sirharles on the way home, this movie felt alot like the sort of movie where I'll have to re-evaluate everything after the trilogy is completed and I go back to put it all together as one narrative. Ren's just starting out... Another weird parallel. He's filling the Luke role from the original trilogy! The whiny kid this time around, and about to change...

Starkiller's target sure looked like Coruscant to me, as well. And that would be where the Senate was, right?

So now there's no leadership at all except for Leia and whoever gets to cameo as her 22 generals in the next movie.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 19, 2015, 08:43:02 PM
Nacho's "bad" list continued....

6) Of the new people, the only one I really cared about was BB-8. Finn was a dead fish the whole time. I guess he's the new Han, but yawn, yawn. Poe was all like, "Gosh, BB-8, acting is hard!" The rebel base cameo-a-thon was ridiculous.  Rey did a good job, and I became increasingly entranced by her as the story went on, but the overcrowding factor played a part in sort of eclipsing her as well. I felt like she was Anakin in Phantom Menace all over again.

I think BB-8 is pretty amazing too? Again, this was part of the A New Hope parallel in trying to use the droids to lead us to the main character(s). The lack of a C-3PO character in the new paradigm is a good thing, no?

You thought Finn was a dead fish? I thought he provided the brunt of the comedy. I like the idea that he's this failed stormtrooper trying to find  a new life. In my opinion, if the film erred badly it was in not making Finn more of a selfish prick. Yes, he rejects his programming, but that doesn't mean he's this saintly creature. On the other end, he has this sense of compassion which is the aspect his being that separated him from the other stormtroopers, so his obsession over Rey's safety is sort of organic on that level. I really loved how he kept trying to make Rey some kind of damsel in distress when she was perfectly capable of taking care of herself.

Poe did his narrative job. I didn't feel the need to know more about him. He's Leia in this new triad. Rey is Luke. Finn is Han. And Poe will find himself in the "damsel in distress" role in the next few movies. (I think.)

7) Convenience ex machina. R2 just happens to wake up at the right time? Every one is in the right place at the right time to connect. There's a map to Luke's location that everyone has except for one little piece. And a million other little things.

I have no rebuttal for this that isn't super shaky. However, I have a feeling that when we find out Rey's true lineage, the fact that Han was hanging out around Jakku might not be such a coincidence. That said, The R2 waking up bit bugged me as well. Why at that moment, except of course for narrative convenience?

All the old timers were amazing. I was worried they'd be a bit too creaky, but they weren't. Very happy all around with them, and how they were handled.

Ford, I think we can all agree, was stellar. Hamill was on screen for maybe thirty seconds.

I had no issues with Fisher in the moment, but I just came back from beers with my sister and her husband and both of them thought the Han/Leia scenes were weak. I thought they worked well, but I'll be watching them closely on my multiple rewatches this week.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 20, 2015, 09:52:51 AM
They treated Fisher like she either only had three days to spare for filming or she's a violent psychopath that no one can get along with on set.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 20, 2015, 10:28:37 PM
Okay my take on it.  And I've seen it twice now.  I went today with Mrs. Sirharles who absolutely loved it.  As she said "This was way better than I thought it would be."

My over all feeling of the movie can best be described as "meh".

Like RC, the opening credits jumped at me and made me get goosebumps.  To see those words and hear the music again with brand new words was awesome.  Took me right back to childhood.

Poe was by far the worst character.  From the very first scene I couldn't get invested in him.  His dialogue was horrible and campy and Nacho nails it with the "gee BB...." comment.  If he's supposed to be the new Han then he has none of the gravitas that Ford brought the the first movie.  I feel more emotionally invested in the keyboard I'm currently using than I did Poe.

Finn was okay...whiney, needy, and any time he and Poe interacted it looked like two teenagers who just touched their first boob together.  "That was awesome" "I'm cool as shit"  "Did you see that" (Finn doing his best Will Smith imitation).  The only good thing with Finn was how he interacted with Rey. 

Rey...she was great.  Tough, funny, interesting.  I'm invested in finding out more about her.  Unlike the others who I couldn't care less about.  The only thing that I didn't like her, and admittedly this is nit picking, is her smile.  And this isn't anyone's fault, but her smile and accent reminded me of Keira Knightly.  It's just one of those things where once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it.

Ren- While I don't think his character stole the movie, I'm more with RC on this than I think Nacho is.  He's growing worse, in that Abrams did a very good job. 

As to the story, yes, it was obvious they aped a New Hope, but that's okay with me as well.  I didn't mind that much.  What I did mind was the waaaaaay to short of time it took for everything to unfold.  Not movie time, but time in which it took to travel from place to place.  Time in which it took a giant space gun to shoot a planet that is in another SOLAR SYSTEM.  Time it took for a sun to be drained.  Even with the highest download speeds it takes me at least two hours to download a sun.  15 min?  Come on.  The science behind Star Wars has never been on par with other SciFi, but the passage of time and convenience of how they used it to move the story along distracted me.

In the end I enjoyed the movie, I'd watch it again.  And I'm looking forward to the next ones.  However, it didn't blow me away the way Star Trek did.  Maybe it couldn't, maybe no movie could.  I'll have to ponder more.  These are just a few fresh thoughts after a weekend of two showings.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 21, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
I'll have to see on my next viewing if the "big things happening way to fast" thing bothers me because I really didn't notice. (Probably because it was happening so fast!)

I seem to be an outlier on Finn. I liked him okay and think he's fine in the Han Solo "WTF?" role. And I do think he's more Han than Poe.

In regards to Diasy Ridley, I feel like all these actresses look the same at this point. I like Rey as out lead character. (She does look like Keira Knightley though, and apparently she really bristles at it. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3365183/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-hate-looking-like-Keira-Knighley-says-Star-wars-beauty-Daisy-Ridley.html))

Seeing it again this afternoon.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2015, 10:52:46 AM
Oh, thanks Kathleen Kennedy, who just said that
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Harrison Ford is back in Episode VIII
. Jesus.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2015, 11:02:17 AM
Thanks Jimmy Fallon:


Also a brief example (#1032, actually) why GoT people are really pissed that Gwendoline Christie was so woefully underused.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 21, 2015, 11:08:40 AM
Mrs. Sirharles and I were discussing this last night.  She brought up a good point, and one I hadn't picked up on.  The celebrations of victory (minor or large scale) in the first trilogy were muted in comparison to this movie.  In the first trilogy, you have some laughs, smiles, a hug, and then a reserved celebration.  In this one, every little victory by the good guys was celebrated with the equivalent of spiking the football T.O. style in the endzone.  Chest bumping, over excitement, and over the top celebration.  Now is this a sign of the times?  This is how Americans celebrate in the 2015's as opposed to the 1970's or was this a conscious choice by Abrams to have them more immature?

The other thing that bothered me was the mystical attribute Luke's lightsaber had.  Almost Harry Potter like.  I thought that took away from the feel of the movie.  And why did uber bad guy have to look like Gollum.  Of all the CGI characters to create and ways they could have gone...Gollum?  Really?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2015, 11:17:52 AM
Mrs. Sirharles and I were discussing this last night.  She brought up a good point, and one I hadn't picked up on.  The celebrations of victory (minor or large scale) in the first trilogy were muted in comparison to this movie.  In the first trilogy, you have some laughs, smiles, a hug, and then a reserved celebration.  In this one, every little victory by the good guys was celebrated with the equivalent of spiking the football T.O. style in the endzone.  Chest bumping, over excitement, and over the top celebration.  Now is this a sign of the times?  This is how Americans celebrate in the 2015's as opposed to the 1970's or was this a conscious choice by Abrams to have them more immature?

Remember that the special editions all inserted more joyous celebrations. And, sadly, the new generation watching this movie have probably only seen the special editions.

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The other thing that bothered me was the mystical attribute Luke's lightsaber had.  Almost Harry Potter like.  I thought that took away from the feel of the movie.  And why did uber bad guy have to look like Gollum.  Of all the CGI characters to create and ways they could have gone...Gollum?  Really?

Because that's actually what Andy Serkis looks like now. His mother always warned him that his face would get stuck that way.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Ha! io9 just explained it:

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Why does Luke’s saber call to Rey?

Because she’s his daughter? Certainly possible. We used to think lightsabers were just inanimate objects, but the Star Wars cartoons have revealed that the crystals inside of them are much more than that. Still we’ve never seen anything like this happen, and it seems like a question that’ll be answered later. Maybe it’s a result of something Luke did to her before she was put on Jakku. If, in fact, they’ve ever met before.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 21, 2015, 11:47:39 AM
That would certainly explain his long speechlessness.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 21, 2015, 12:08:50 PM
Rey as Luke's daughter was my theory as the credits rolled.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2015, 12:19:40 PM
I think she's obviously his daughter. That, in fact, they couldn't be any more obvious about it short of stopping the action, facing the camera, making virtual eye contact with everyone in the audience, and saying, "She's his daughter."
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 21, 2015, 12:45:18 PM
The other thing that bothered me was the mystical attribute Luke's lightsaber had.  Almost Harry Potter like.  I thought that took away from the feel of the movie.

This is one of things I meant by me really feeling the absence of Lucas in a tonal sense. That type of trips flashback/flash forward sequence would have never ben in one of the other Star Wars movies. Its din't bother me exactly, but I noticed it. it took me out  of the proceedings a bit while my brain came to terms with it. It's very Abrams.

That said, I'm okay with Luke's lightsaber as some sort of talisman. Especially when we find out Snoke is Darth Plagueis from the prequels and the one responsible for "impregnating" Shmi Skywalker with Anakin and is thereby the great grandfather of Rey.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on December 21, 2015, 01:03:04 PM
Han is dead?

Noooooooo!

Nacho, you're now on the MonkeyNET list.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2015, 02:06:44 PM
Han is dead?

Noooooooo!

Nacho, you're now on the MonkeyNET list.

I'm just kidding. He's fine. Kathleen Kennedy says so.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 21, 2015, 03:10:32 PM
Especially when we find out Snoke is Darth Plagueis from the prequels and the one responsible for "impregnating" Shmi Skywalker with Anakin and is thereby the great grandfather of Rey.

The more people talk about the prequels, the more I think that I probably just fell asleep during the last two.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 21, 2015, 03:27:30 PM
Yeah... RC, explain Snoke to us as if we just landed on this planet.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 21, 2015, 09:33:18 PM
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 22, 2015, 09:21:52 AM
And then I went down the Wiki hole...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 22, 2015, 09:40:06 AM
The prevailing theory is that Snoke is Plagueus. I'm not completely giving up that he's Palpatine or even  Anakin/Vader though thee's evidence in the film that suggests otherwise.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 22, 2015, 11:11:25 AM
Interesting...I agree with some, and others the writer either missed the explanation or isn't willing to wait to see if some mysteries are explained in later films.  But yes there are some serious plot holes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/40-unforgivable-plot-holes-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens_b_8850324.html
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 22, 2015, 12:03:35 PM
Poe suddenly being okay was a bit of a problem. And, yes, everyone generally unfazed. "Oh, yeah, I was thrown clear..." Also, we both survived colliding with a planet at 350MPH with a fusion reactor and fully charged weapons sitting right behind us.

You know, the more distance I get from my viewing, the more everything about Poe bothers the fuck out of me.

But, yes, a few things the writer missed. Like the rathgars. Which is weird to miss, actually, because there was a whole comic scene around Rey opening their cages, yes?



Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 22, 2015, 12:15:05 PM
But, yes, a few things the writer missed. Like the rathgars. Which is weird to miss, actually, because there was a whole comic scene around Rey opening their cages, yes?

Yeah...which is odd.  But whatever.  He still makes some good points.  And as to the whole Poe being okay...it always reminds me of the ending of Hudson Hawk where Danny Aiello walks up to Bruce Willis. 

BW:"I saw your car go off a cliff" 

DA:  "Airbags, can you fucking believe it?" 

BW:  "But it burst into flames!?" 

DA:  "Sprinkler system in the back, can you fucking believe it!?" 

(I tried to find a youtube video of it, but couldn't)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 22, 2015, 05:57:25 PM
Poe suddenly being okay was a bit of a problem. And, yes, everyone generally unfazed. "Oh, yeah, I was thrown clear..." Also, we both survived colliding with a planet at 350MPH with a fusion reactor and fully charged weapons sitting right behind us.

You know, the more distance I get from my viewing, the more everything about Poe bothers the fuck out of me.

In earlier drafts of the script Poe was supposed to die in the Tie Fighter crash... which is one of the reasons he feels so useless I think.

I just had beers with a couple film school buddies who ripped it pretty hard for merely aping A New Hope. My second viewing made me love it even more... even as I noticed more plot holes, flaws, WTF moments, etc.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on December 23, 2015, 08:55:16 AM
I've heard very polemic opinions concerning the new Star Wars. Some wants JJ to die. Others loved it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 23, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
It's an interesting problem. I think lots of folks are so glad that it wasn't the prequels that we're over the moon about it. But...if The Force Awakens had been the first Star Wars since the original trilogy, I think I would have been upset with it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 23, 2015, 01:35:11 PM
One of my film school buddies was severely disappointed that it was so unoriginal.  He argues that the prequels, for all the mess they were, tried to do something original. They gave us new worlds, new designs, etc. They expanded the universe even if the execution of the story was a bit subpar. His biggest hangup with The Force Awakens was Starkiller Base. Why, he asked, did we have to have another planet killer?

The backlash has certainly started online though. I still stand by my assertion that it's a good movie. Even if it is basically a remake of A New Hope, it's a *good* remake.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 23, 2015, 09:13:26 PM
So...did we need a remake?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 24, 2015, 08:51:45 AM
I'll tell you after I see it a third time today!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: monkey! on December 24, 2015, 10:01:13 AM
We only get remakes these days.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 24, 2015, 01:38:43 PM
So...did we need a remake?

We didn't. But my kids and kids like them did. So, it's not for you. Except for the massive fan service you are given throughout the movie, which I would argue makes it good for everyone.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 25, 2015, 04:10:13 PM
Bah! The children! The world is all about ME!!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 25, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
After three viewings, I'm totally in love with it. All the bitching about the details is fine, but I feel like it's so good overall that the continuity details don't matter. If we had internet in 1977, people would be saying the same things about the original.

"How could they get the Death Star to Yavin IV for Alderaan so quickly?"

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 27, 2015, 11:28:57 AM


"How could they get the Death Star to Yavin IV for Alderaan so quickly?"



The Death Star's progress was actually very slow and laborious!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on December 28, 2015, 01:26:36 AM


"How could they get the Death Star to Yavin IV for Alderaan so quickly?"



The Death Star's progress was actually very slow and laborious!

Only around planets! (Watched Episode IV with the kids tonight).
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 28, 2015, 10:24:26 AM
Death Star will be in range in...500 hours. So that gives us 30 tries to flood the carburetor.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 31, 2015, 04:58:23 PM
Hi. I got paid 4.5 BILLION dollars and I'm still going to be a cunt about it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on January 02, 2016, 12:35:40 PM
Turns out, I've never watched Episode III before last night. At least not all of it. I think I was so disillusioned by the first 2 that I just skipped it.

I think it's the best of the 3 prequels.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 02, 2016, 12:43:46 PM
NOOOOOOO!!!!!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 08, 2016, 11:02:54 AM
Today's super meme...

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 09, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
NO! I just got that song out my head....
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 17, 2016, 01:56:23 PM
So funny...

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 18, 2016, 09:12:35 AM
That's terrific.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 10, 2016, 12:00:18 AM
Fascinating...

http://billyjensen.com/finding-boshek/ (http://billyjensen.com/finding-boshek/)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 10, 2016, 08:24:33 AM
That's awesome!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on February 10, 2016, 03:07:38 PM
Just read this!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 15, 2016, 12:59:11 PM
Well then, I do believe I may have just shat my pantaloons.

Also, note the casting additions: Laura Dern!


http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-viii-now-filming (http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-viii-now-filming)

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STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII NOW FILMING

Rey took her first steps into a larger world in Star Wars: The Force Awakens and will continue her epic journey with Finn, Poe, and Luke Skywalker in the next chapter of the continuing Star Wars saga, Star Wars: Episode VIII, which began principal photography at Pinewood Studios in London on February 15, 2016.

Star Wars: Episode VIII, which is written and directed by Rian Johnson and continues the storylines introduced in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, welcomes back cast members Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Lupita Nyong’o, Domhnall Gleeson, Anthony Daniels, Gwendoline Christie, and Andy Serkis.  New cast members will include Academy Award winner Benicio Del Toro, Academy Award nominee Laura Dern, and talented newcomer Kelly Marie Tran.

Star Wars: Episode VIII is produced by Kathleen Kennedy and Ram Bergman and executive produced by J.J. Abrams, Jason McGatlin, and Tom Karnowski. Joining the production crew will be some of the industry’s top talent, including Steve Yedlin (Director of Photography), Bob Ducsay (Editor), Rick Heinrichs (Production Designer), Peter Swords King (Hair and Make-Up Designer), and Mary Vernieu (US Casting Director). They will be joining returning crew members Pippa Anderson (Co-Producer, VP Post Production), Neal Scanlan (Creature & Droid FX Creative Supervisor), Michael Kaplan (Costume Designer), Jamie Wilkinson (Prop Master), Chris Corbould (SFX Supervisor), Rob Inch (Stunt Coordinator), Ben Morris (VFX Supervisor), and Nina Gold (UK Casting Director).

Star Wars: Episode VIII is scheduled for release December 15, 2017.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 15, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
Yes. Yay.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 15, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
I sense your restraint.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 03, 2016, 07:22:01 PM
Wow, so when you put it this way...

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on April 04, 2016, 11:47:40 AM
THIS is exactly what my problem is with "The Force Awakens".
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 05, 2016, 11:28:11 AM
Oh, well, duh. It was so obvious we don't actually need a comparison video.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on April 05, 2016, 11:32:25 AM
THIS is exactly what my problem is with "The Force Awakens".

Of course I'm still going to watch the Blu-Ray tonight.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 05, 2016, 11:40:25 AM
THIS is exactly what my problem is with "The Force Awakens".

Of course I'm still going to watch the Blu-Ray tonight.

And I will the moment I get home!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on April 05, 2016, 06:14:52 PM
That Abrams; knows his rebooting.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on April 06, 2016, 10:04:58 AM
Watched it again last night with the "Oh my God a new Star Wars movie" feeling long in the rearview mirror.

And it's not as bad as I remember.  But I still find Poe being alive after the crash and the acting of Finn and Kylo Renn to be so over the top to be distracting.  It's as if they couldn't get past the fact that they were in a Star Wars movie.  If you watch the bonus material you'll see that the actor who plays Finn is a HUGE Star Wars fan and I think that comes through on screen.  Meaning he can't believe he's in it and he's distracted by it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on April 07, 2016, 10:13:57 AM
Rogue One Trailer

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 07, 2016, 04:56:20 PM
I think it looks good overall, even if it does feel like the biggest budget fam film ever made.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 11, 2016, 11:09:40 AM
Still haven't done my blu-ray rewatch.

Also with the OMG moment in the rearview mirror I realize that I don't really care about the problems in The Force Awakens. I am still so stunned and wounded by the prequels that they all remain my bar for this movie. At this point in this sad, tarnished franchise, I would have been grateful and accepting if they decided to reboot the Ewok Adventure movies. Quite literally, anything is better than the prequels. Even if it copies ANH, even if the acting is bad, even if Poe reappears and leaves us feeling like 30 minutes of the movie was cut, even if the very fucking soul has been torn out of the franchise.

How anyone can complain about this movie with the prequels looming in the background is beyond me. We're worried about bad acting when big name acting greats took us through 7 hours of fan fiction-level fuckery and delivered lines like they were being read by a computer program.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2016, 01:23:10 PM
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2016, 01:43:47 PM
Man, how many sins are just because of the map?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2016, 01:52:32 PM
I haven't watched it yet.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2016, 01:54:52 PM
I haven't watched it yet.

It's exactly what we've complained about.

In related news -- I watched the DVD and...was unimpressed this time around. Maybe it's all the flaws being hyped, but they all really jumped out at me. In fact, I quit halfway through and went back to the finale days later.

Also the quality of the blu-ray was a bit of a let down. The wow factor of other HD films just wasn't there... The effects actually looked kind of bad on the TM's TV.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2016, 01:56:37 PM
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 06, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
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Are you ready to meet the man who is set to make the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs? After emerging as the frontrunner a few weeks ago, Alden Ehrenreich (Beautiful Creatures, Hail, Caesar!) has nabbed the role of a young Han Solo.

The 26-year-old actor has been cast in directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller’s untitled Han Solo Star Wars spinoff movie set in a galaxy far, far away. Harrison Ford originally played the iconic role in four movies, starting with Star Wars: A New Hope.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 12, 2016, 07:34:38 AM
You know... I think my actual problem with The Force Awakens is that now we're going to have to see Adam Driver's face in the lead or supporting roles for a thousand stupid Fast & Furious-level movies.

I didn't mind it when it was Harrison Ford making equally iconic movies, but, for this generation, it's "Adam Driver cast in NASCAR heist movie!"

And I do blame the generational shift. Hey you stupid fucking kids, we got Raiders of the Motherfucking Lost Ark!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 12, 2016, 10:34:19 AM
I don't see Adam Driver winning a lot of the same type of role. He doesn't really have that aesthetic, does he?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 12, 2016, 12:11:52 PM
Well, and that's sort of my point.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on May 12, 2016, 02:12:54 PM
I still have so many problems with the whole movie I actually am beginning to dislike it.  I'm hoping the future ones will redeem it in a grand story arc way, but as a stand alone movie it just isn't that good in my opinion.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 12, 2016, 03:46:32 PM
Well, and that's sort of my point.

And I think that will keep him from getting those roles.

I mean... Han Solo...Harrison Ford...Indiana Jones.

I don't see Kylo Ren...Adam Driver...Something Iconic.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 13, 2016, 08:56:55 AM
I still have so many problems with the whole movie I actually am beginning to dislike it.  I'm hoping the future ones will redeem it in a grand story arc way, but as a stand alone movie it just isn't that good in my opinion.

I still haven't gone back to finish the second half of the blu-ray. At home, with some time to myself, I realized how cold the movie feels.It's entirely lacking in spirit.

Now, this was also true of Star Trek 09, but Star Trek 09 was also a very solid sci-fi action adventure with actors who delivered. The passing of the torch was also better handled in Star Trek. We get Spock, it's a slow down sequence that we need, it's well done, and then Nimoy almost literally passes the torch and that's that except for a final cameo. In Star Wars, the torch bearers are major players in the story, they get all the motivational parts, and the whole movie's quest is focused on finding a torch-bearer!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 13, 2016, 08:58:06 AM
Well, and that's sort of my point.

And I think that will keep him from getting those roles.

I mean... Han Solo...Harrison Ford...Indiana Jones.

I don't see Kylo Ren...Adam Driver...Something Iconic.

So I guess my real comparison was -- there are no more iconic roles. So our generation and we got some real magical movies. Nowadays,even our so-called magical movies are turning into Fast and Furious in Space.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 13, 2016, 12:13:45 PM
Ah, I see.

Maybe time will show us that some things were really special. Or maybe it's the "long movies" of Netflix/Amazon that we point to.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 20, 2016, 03:52:44 PM
http://movieweb.com/star-wars-8-title-fall-of-resistance/

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Star Wars 8 Gets Titled Fall of the Resistance?
New video leaks from Star Wars Celebration 2016 that reportedly reveals the officially title of Star Wars: Episode VIII as Fall of the Resistance.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 21, 2016, 07:50:33 AM
Episode VIII: Heavy-Handed Attempt to Ape Empire
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on May 31, 2016, 12:47:11 PM
Rogue One bombed in screenings and is getting "extensive reshoots."

So here we go...down the slippery slope...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 01, 2016, 08:48:55 AM
It bombed in a test screening because it's probably really good and original with deep symbolism and doesn't follow the standard formula.

Though they're saying there's not enough "four quadrant appeal." Is Star Wars that big in the Delta Quadrant? (See what I did there?)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/disney-orders-reshoots-star-wars-898562

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Disney Orders Reshoots for 'Star Wars' Stand-Alone 'Rogue One' This Summer

Star Wars stand-alone movie Rogue One: A Star Wars Story will undergo several weeks’ worth of additional shooting, sources have confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter.

Much of the cast and director Gareth Edwards will regroup in mid-June for another round of shooting. The move is happening after execs screened the film and felt it was tonally off with what a “classic” Star Wars movie should feel like. The pic has not yet been tested before audiences, but one source describes the cut as having the feel of a war movie.

The goal of the reshoots will be to lighten the mood, bring some levity into the story and restore a sense of fun to the adventure.

Rogue One focuses on the fabled mission hinted at in Star Wars: Episode IV — A  New Hope, that of a group of rebels stealing the plans to the Death Star. The plans later end up in the hands of Princess Leia, who transfers them to R2-D2.

“This is the closest thing to a prequel ever,” a source tells THR. “This takes place just before A New Hope and leads up to the 10 minutes before that classic film begins. You have to match the tone!”

And while it’s not confirmed, some suggest that the new shooting could pave the way for an appearance of Han Solo as played by Alden Ehrenreich. The actor only recently nabbed the role of the spice smuggler and was not involved in Rogue One’s principal photography, which ran from last August to February.

Disney re-introduced audiences to Star Wars with Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which garnered excellent reviews and grossed over $2 billion worldwide, becoming the third-highest-grossing movie of all time. Sources say that while Edwards’ first cut was a solid showing, it didn’t measure up to the bar set in terms of four-quadrant appeal.

“Anything less than extraordinary won’t do,” says a studio insider.

Reshoots or additional shooting are practically a given in this decade of tentpole comic book, fantasy and sci-fi moviemaking. The films are massive productions, filled with so much green-screen and fit together in a way that, more often than not, demands for shooting to fill in holes or clarify plots. Even acting deals have the shoots in mind when contracts call for “run of show” appearances, which include not just shooting anytime during production but even during postproduction, say several agency sources.

The New York Post first reported about the Star Wars reshoots.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 01, 2016, 09:40:57 AM
Thread is now about how Captain Janeway's temporal incursions simply can't be rectified in the previous Star Trek timeline.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 04, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
I saw the Rogue one trailer prior to Civil War. Looks good to me. Although I thought this was about Boba Fett. I guess I haven't been paying attention.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 04, 2016, 02:04:06 PM
Me too! Isn't that his ship?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 22, 2016, 01:00:16 AM
Slave One is his ship.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 15, 2016, 01:45:32 PM
I think Rogue One is going to be all right.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 13, 2016, 11:42:41 AM
So I like the look of this more than TFW!

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 13, 2016, 12:09:09 PM
I'm a little torn here, but of course I'll go see it opening weekend.

I'm somewhat upset by my own lack of enthusiasm for this when my geek dials should be turned up to 11. I have no reason not to be excited except for a general genre fatigue... and maybe just fatigue in general.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 13, 2016, 12:22:18 PM
This feels more like the Star Wars movie we should have gotten.

I only feel fatigue when I look at the spin-off movie schedule!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 11, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
The more I see the more I say "this is the Star Wars reboot we deserve".

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 17, 2016, 04:40:21 PM
Okay, fine. I'm a *little* excited.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 18, 2016, 09:20:41 AM
This one is calling to me!

'Member the torture droid? 'Member Tatooine?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 18, 2016, 12:06:13 PM
I don't know. I'm still lukewarm somehow. I think it's the idea of "sidequels" that bothers me.

We should go together!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on November 18, 2016, 02:08:21 PM
I don't know. I'm still lukewarm somehow. I think it's the idea of "sidequels" that bothers me.

We should go together!

Reggie! Sirharles!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on November 18, 2016, 05:44:51 PM
In
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 14, 2016, 10:04:52 AM
Early reviews from the geek-o-sphere (io9, nerdbastards, and a few lesser sites) are all raving about Rogue One. Looks like this really might be the Star Wars reboot we really needed...

FYI, RC -- better stay off the internet until Sunday night. I suggest you curl up with Ordination, the wonderful opening chapter of an exciting fantasy trilogy!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 14, 2016, 05:09:11 PM
Yeah, I'm avoiding anything Star Wars.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 15, 2016, 09:56:42 AM
Yeah, I'm avoiding anything Star Wars.

The crew of the Rogue One sacrifice everything just to give their hard won prize to a royal in a cling dress who charters a civilian transport to take her the long way home through the frontier. Also, she's secretly their greatest enemy's daughter. Also, she, in turn, entrusts this prize to their greatest enemy's former droids. Spoilers!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 15, 2016, 08:46:31 PM
You know, when you put it that way....
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 16, 2016, 10:02:39 AM
I'll just leave this right here.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 16, 2016, 09:12:13 PM
Wow. Soooooo, I'll be staying off the internet until after Sunday because Jesus.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 16, 2016, 11:03:38 PM
Wow. Soooooo, I'll be staying off the internet until after Sunday because Jesus.

Yeah. It's a Star Wars apocalypse.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 08:13:51 AM
I'm still sort of unpacking Rogue One... Mainly because I'm still so very happy with it. The insipid and sadly disappointing Star Wars universe just gave us a return to form, a cool war movie, and a well-crafted story with enjoyable characters. And less than one minute's worth of shoehorned-in eye-rollers.

It was like a deep track from a more innocent era.

Now...to spend today catching up on all the sites I've been avoiding!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 19, 2016, 10:39:47 AM
Sirharles and monkey, if yo haven't seen it, let us know. This thread is going to get kind of spoiler-y.

The big "controversy" I'm reading seems to revolve around the use of CGI for
Spoiler
Grand Moff Tarkin
. I have admit the "other" similar use of CGI at the end was the only true "Who farted?" moment of the film.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/rogue-one-cgi-grand-moff-tarkin-actor-peter-cushing-princess-leia-carrie-fisher-animated-a7483991.html
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 19, 2016, 12:00:34 PM
I've seen it.  So spoil away.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 01:24:16 PM
Sirharles and monkey, if yo haven't seen it, let us know. This thread is going to get kind of spoiler-y.

The big "controversy" I'm reading seems to revolve around the use of CGI for
Spoiler
Grand Moff Tarkin
. I have admit the "other" similar use of CGI at the end was the only true "Who farted?" moment of the film.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/rogue-one-cgi-grand-moff-tarkin-actor-peter-cushing-princess-leia-carrie-fisher-animated-a7483991.html

Yeah. The "uncanny valley" of Cushing wasn't a problem for me. Frankly, Peter Cushing had a bit of the uncanny valley going on while he was alive! I thought his CGI was seamless and worked just fine.

I think we've just forgotten how creepy Cushing could be.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 19, 2016, 01:35:21 PM
That didn't bother me at all.  The bit at the end did...a little.  But not enough to take anything away from the movie.  I thought it was a job well done.  The bar was set very high with expectations and I think they did a fantastic job. 
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 19, 2016, 01:37:23 PM
After sleeping on it, that Princess Leia moment was the movie's worst moment. It cold have been handled so much more elegantly (without CGI) and had the same effect.

That Vader hallway scene though. Holy shit.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2016, 01:48:52 PM
After sleeping on it, that Princess Leia moment was the movie's worst moment. It cold have been handled so much more elegantly (without CGI) and had the same effect.

That Vader hallway scene though. Holy shit.

The Leia scene was so overshadowed by everything else. It would have been more elegant if we didn't see her face...but I do forgive it just because I was on the edge of my seat after 30 freakout minutes.

io9 suggests that we all cool down with this video:

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 24, 2016, 06:24:10 PM
I have yet to see it again, but I'm still insanely conflicted over Rogue One.

It's not that I think it's bad. Far from it. It's certainly a well crafted, entertaining, competently written, finely-executed movie that's very satisfying. Somehow though, I haven't quite yet accepted it as canon. Part of me is still regarding it as some kind of weird "sidequel" or fan film. I know while watching the movie, I never allowed myself completely fall into it and be swept away. Maybe that's the way watching Star Wars will be now that it's an every year thing. Rogue One somehow felt less like Star Wars than The Force Awakens. Sure, that's because Abrams slavishly aped A New Hope, and Edwards actually was allowed to find his own tone and pacing with this one. But still...

A big part is *where* it falls in the saga time-line. The prequels we're it's own thing. Even flawed as they are, they form their own trilogy. Rogue One fees like a one-off that I'm allowed to take or leave. I suppose that's okay on one level. Yet I also suppose that laissez-faire vibe is part of what bothers me. Maybe I'm just getting old and all the prequels and over saturation have eroded away my love for Star Wars to "something that happened before?" Like seeing an old girlfriend and not being able to remember how and why she was at one point the most important thing in the world?

I want to see it again without all the antsy Star Wars nerves. The Force Awakens settled in nicely on subsequent viewings. (Though it hasn't held up with time nearly as well as I'd hoped.) I want to let go and just, you know, experience it.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 26, 2016, 12:23:45 PM
Echoing your thoughts: The issue with Rogue One is that it's not a Star Wars movie. So the question is: Is that a bad thing or a good thing? Because, let's be honest, they obviously aren't capable of making a Star Wars movie. They've tried and failed four times in a row and have only managed to eek by with TFA because we're all exhausted by the attempts.
 
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 23, 2017, 12:20:41 PM
We have an official title, folks.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/hklijeizurmpwo0uym7p.png)
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 23, 2017, 02:25:07 PM
The Last Jedi...again.

Logline: An old hermit becomes the mentor to a gifted teen and must stop the evil First Order from conquering the universe at the cost of his life.

"If you strike me down with your nose, Adam Driver, I will only be stronger!"

"No. The lightsaber is yours. It belonged to your second cousin, Beatrice."

"OH MY, MASTER LUKE! Are you on Viagra??"

"The odds of them successfully rebooting Space:1999 are -- " "Never quote me the odds!!!"

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on March 07, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
Finally getting around to this:



Also: Unaltered original trilogy blu rays for the 40th!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 15, 2017, 11:16:36 AM
The internet seems to be all "meh" on this, but I'm still in love with the fact that we have no idea what happens in the next Star Wars movie that I don't care. Will we get an Empire Strikes Back redux? Probably. But I don't think *anything* about quality can be gleaned from this trailer. Those teasers for The Force Awakens didn't give us anything either.

They have my money no matter what. So really they should just take the Adam Driver Suggestion and not release any trailers at all.

I love the mystery of this. It makes my inner eight-year-old happy.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 15, 2017, 11:44:28 AM
Yep, so Luke = Yoda now. And we get an AT-AT battle in a white-sand desert instead of snow! I wonder if there's a Cloud City as well.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 15, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
Yep, so Luke = Yoda now. And we get an AT-AT battle in a white-sand desert instead of snow! I wonder if there's a Cloud City as well.

And Finn is probably Han in carbonite. What do you bet he never wakes up the whole movie and gets his body kidnapped by a bounty hunter (or Captain Phasma) at the end?

Think we'll get a Luke Skywalker lightsaber battle? I hope so.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 15, 2017, 12:07:04 PM
What do you bet Luke really is new-Yoda and we just get a lengthy training montage and then Rey leaves too soon because she learns that Finn, Poe, and Leia are in trouble when she goes to the second island in that opening shot which is the "dark side" island where she learns the prophecy that she's the balance and that she has a dark side and we also get hints about her ancestry.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 15, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
And Kylo Ren decides he wants to turn Rey to the dark side so he can overthrow Snoke.

The only remaining question is how does Lando fit into all this? Would they actually return to Cloud City? That would both be extra lame *and* kind of cool at the same time.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Reginald McGraw on May 27, 2017, 05:02:19 PM
Cloud City will be replaced by Sub Terrania Station and have the exact layout of Cloud City but upside down.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on June 05, 2017, 09:51:38 AM
I'm more than a little afraid all of this will be true.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 05, 2017, 11:24:30 AM
Mark Hamill's recent comments about how they handle Luke in the script scare me...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 05, 2017, 12:58:15 PM
I haven't read them because in retrospect my only enjoyment of The Force Awakens came from not knowing anything.

But if they're going off the rails, power to them, I say. I think Luke should turn evil anyway.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 22, 2017, 02:31:43 PM
I've been quietly following the Young Han Solo director debacle this week. Supposedly Rouge One had similar problems and post-production and shoots were completely done without Gareth Edwards involvement. I guess the answer is "money," but why any young director signs onto these things is beyond me.

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Ron Howard to Take Over as Director of ‘Star Wars’ Han Solo Spinoff

Oscar-winning filmmaker Ron Howard will take over as director of the “Star Wars” Han Solo spinoff, Lucasfilm announced.

His hire comes after the movie’s original directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired Tuesday, while in the middle of production after clashing with producer and Lucasfilm chief Kathleen Kennedy and co-writer/executive producer Lawrence Kasdan. The duo, who had previously overseen “The LEGO Movie” and “21 Jump Street,” wanted to inject more humor into the storyline and encouraged improvisation, something Kasdan did not appreciate.

Howard will begin work immediately. The picture still has several weeks left on its shooting schedule, and five additional weeks of pre-scheduled reshoots that were planned for later this year. The exact amount of time and money that it will take to actually complete the production (which was about three-quarters finished when the directors were fired), will vary depending on how much rewriting and reshooting Howard deems is necessary after reviewing the script and shot footage.

It is unclear just how Howard will be credited and whether he will share directing credit with Lord and Miller, or potentially take no credit at all (though that seems unlikely). Lord and Miller have the right to appeal any decision, but ultimately, the Directors Guild of America will make the call.

Howard previously worked with Lucasfilm  on 1988’s “Willow,” a fantasy adventure that garnered two technical Ocscar nominations (visual effects and sound editing) but was a box office disappointment. Howard’s credits also include hits such as “Parenthood,” “Splash,” “Backdraft,” “The Da Vinci Code,” “Apollo 13” and  2001’s “A Beautiful Mind,” about the brilliant, anti-social mathematician John Nash, which won four top Academy Awards including best director and best picture.

These days, however, the former child actor is in need of a big hit. He’s had a string of duds that include “Inferno,” “In the Heart of the Sea,” “Rush,” and “The Dilemma.” His last significant success was 2009’s “Angels & Demons.”
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 22, 2017, 05:41:49 PM
Jeez, yeah. I would hate that job!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 16, 2017, 12:15:53 PM
Every time I start to get cynical about Star Wars, they drop something like this on me.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on September 12, 2017, 12:36:23 PM
So, Abrams is back in for Episode IX after the Colin Trevorrow (sp?) fallout? Meet the new boss and all that...

This means the new trilogy will ape the original trilogy. The first one was (initially) a pleasant surprise. The second one will betel good one, and the third one will be a corporate driven mess.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 09, 2017, 11:06:18 PM
Interesting...

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on October 10, 2017, 09:56:16 AM
Well, what's it matter? We'll go see it. Like always.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on October 10, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
That’s true.

But this looks interesting enough, even if half of what we’re seeing is almost certainly Abrams style misdirection. I like the “Not this shit again” attitude from Luke Skywalker. I hope they keep that old gunslinger pulled back into the shit show vibe he seems to have in this trailer.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 11, 2017, 11:39:42 AM
So I'm treading carefully on social media this week as "reactions" are starting to come in. Review embargo ends Wednesday I think.

I'm cautiously optimistic, but mostly I'm just excited to see a Luke Skywalker movie again. It was his journey we all loved, so seeing him back in action even if he's just become the curmudgeon-y old man we're ail turning into should be cathartic.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 11, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
I'm unplugging from everything! I plan to go in completely spoiler free.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 17, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
Have we all seen it now?  Can we discuss?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 18, 2017, 08:24:41 AM
Have we all seen it now?  Can we discuss?

Yes! I'm still processing. My main complaint was the absurd casino filler sequence. We're in the outer rim, we're surrounded, we have six hours to live...let's sneak away to the center of the universe and have a magical theme park adventure that amounts to nothing!

Also, the First order is in danger of the Modern Sci-FI trope of "not being able to keep a ship in the air." 
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on December 18, 2017, 09:22:34 AM
I'll agree with it almost means nothing.  The only thing it really did was "spark" the hope of resistance in the kids.  But my biggest eye roll moment was the Leia guiding herself through outer space back to the safety of her ship.  I mean, come on.  If you wanted her to "die" and come back, have her killed in an explosion with some shrapnel or something.  Not floating in outer space and then some 1980 Superman flying scene back to the ship.  Jeeeeeesus.

All in all though I enjoyed it measurably more than Force Awakens.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 18, 2017, 01:53:48 PM
I like that they're all like "Fuck the Skyalkers. That shit is tired." Because that shit is tired.

I loved it. After a second viewing I love it even more. I'm with you on the logic holes, but Star Wars has always had them, so I'm okay with the. I like that they're making bold choices and just wiping the slate clean.

And that light speed kamikaze run. Gah! Waiting for that to hit Youtube so I can watch over and over.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 18, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
Okay, I've done a bit more digesting.

So, my problems:

1) The movie was 30-45 minutes too long. That extra length was all tied up in the Casino subplot. A subplot that made no sense whatsoever in the context of the story they were telling. That was some final season GoT timeline fuckery, actually. In 6 hours Finn and Rose go halfway across the galaxy, have an insane adventure, set up the next generation of the resistance, and make it back?

2) The First Order is useless. How are they this grand threat when (a) they can't keep a ship in the air and (b) they're helpless as long as you have enough horsepower to keep one mile ahead of them.

3) Too many ancillary characters. They didn't know what to do with Finn. Rose was useless and there was no chemistry there. Phasma got Boba Fetted -- AGAIN!

4) Tell Poe your plan. He's, like, fourth in charge and you know all the hotheads are going to do what he says. It's the end of all things, there aren't many of you left. Just get the guy on side, okay?

5) The First order can't track small ships? Nor do they have any heavy intercept craft? I guess it's whatever the ship demands...

Things I wasn't really bothered by:

Leia doing her Mary Poppins thing was fine. She's pretty much Jedi trained in the expanded universe, so that's fine. Plus Star Wars space rules are so far removed from reality I don't care what they do anymore. Whatever.

What they SHOULD have done was have her fade with Luke and end the Skywalker line once and for all. That would put Ren into a weird place -- he'd be the only remaining element of the old ways that he so despises.

What I did like:

1) The Guardians of the Galaxy-style comedy. That felt natural for me for some reason. I think it was all well delivered.

2) Nothing the Resistance did actually worked. Poe failing at every single thing he set out to do was refreshing. The Resistance failed because all of their SW-universe tropes failed them. The vague plan to get on the ship and flick the switch failed. The bombing run was a Pyrrhic victory. The secret plan to go to the mineral moon failed miserably. On the moon they give up trying to stop the cannon. This is the first movie where I felt like the rebels were, indeed, in their "most desperate hour."

3) The lighspeed kamikaze run. Which...should have been the rebels go-to tactic since A New Hope.

4) Luke. At first, I wanted to put Luke on the cons list, but the more I think about it the more I appreciate what they did. Also note the parallels to Yoda -- namely his hut and the way he was living.

5) Yoda. Frank OZ Yoda! The first time I've truly seen Yoda since 1983.

6) The Ren and Hux Comedy Show (this movie, more than TFA, is where I felt like they were actually more than 2D characters...and are perhaps the most interesting characters in the reboot).

7) Throwing JJ away. Literally, in some cases. Snope calls out Ren for everything I hated about Ren in TFA. He's an emo fuck trying to be Vader 2.0. Grow up, kid! And...he does...sorta. What we end up with is a conflicted, broken man. And that's something that the franchise desperately needs right now in a bad guy. The Force isn't light and dark. It wants to be grey.

8) Rey's nobody. Also very important. And part of the Buffy vibe that the fucking Casino scene built up.



 

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 19, 2017, 07:41:10 AM
Another aspect I enjoyed: How inclusive the movie was for minorities and women. This is something Rogue One mastered, but the larger scale of TLJ meant we got more of it. What I appreciated is that it felt natural (maybe for the first time in sci-fi). No in-universe characters questioned ethnicity/gender. The writers made sure everyone had something to do and there were no lapses in judgement, no struggles with having to "do a man's task," and we even saw women and minorities doing good things in the rank and file so it wasn't just shoe-horning people into the top to cater to the current sympathies.

This is yet another dramatic change from TFA where Finn is constantly posturing and trying to protect Rey, Leia is second fiddle to Han and mainly just a worried mother, Rey is essentially second fiddle to Luke and vaguely out of her element, and all other women are secretarial. While, meanwhile, minorities were shoehorned in. Asian Pilot! Help me! And almost all of the rebel high command is white or alien-white.

A subtle little thing related to this: The inclusion of women at every level, and the natural way they managed command and responsibility, made it all the more noticeable that the First Order is run solely by domineering white men. 
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 27, 2017, 11:25:49 AM
So, I think the backlash to The Last Jedi is manufactured to a great extent. Vox did a great piece about how the reaction to this was super similar to reactions to the Ghostbusters reboot. The internet, as we all know (and as I bitch about constantly) has become a reactionary, argumentative wasteland. The movie is making money hand over fist.
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/16791844/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-controversy (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/16791844/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-controversy)

I also feel like everything I read about the reasons people hated it is why I loved it. This makes me sad, mostly because it illustrates more than anything else just how powerless, polarized, and downright joyless culture at large has become. I suppose it was like this for the prequels, but they were genuinely awful. The Last Jedi (to me) is exciting and new. Star Wars is trying to actually reinvent itself a little instead of keeping it self in the same "Wrath of Khan" box these reboots always seem to do.

There's a lot of talk about how the movie doesn't play into fan theorizing, which again I love. It's the anti-prequels where Lucas let himself be influenced by every little fan complaint. This seemed to say, "We'll make it the way we want. It'll be up to the fans whether to love it or not." I thought the days where that type of narrative "risk taking" in these movies were over.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on December 27, 2017, 12:58:52 PM
It's disgusting to be in the 21st century and have a backlash like this happen because (in part) there were "too many women in power." But, of course, fear of putting women in power is the shape of the entire world around us right now. Which is astounding.

I hate the whole thing. The only thing keeping me online and plugged in is that I have to manage an online company. Even then I block everyone who follows me, try and pre-program all my content, and stay as far away from actual real interaction as possible. One of my main motivations to retire from running my company is so I can erase my footprint and take a step away from the internet. Pirate my movies, marathon old shit, keep Nacho Sasha's lonely corner occupied only by five people I know well alive, and never check in on FB, Twitter, or anywhere ever again.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 27, 2017, 01:07:10 PM
That's the goal, eh? To be successful enough where you can hire a social media intern to do it all for you.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 05, 2018, 01:26:13 PM
Over X-Mas break this Han Solo prequel image got released. Disney nor Lucasfilm has claimed it's legit, but if it's a Photoshop hack job, it surely is impressive.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSErnVpUIAAMixU.jpg)

We haven't talked much about the BTS on this, but Lord and Miller got replaced by Ron Howard and the rumor mill swirling is that Disney thinks it's a turd. Of course the rumor mill also swore up and down that Wonder Woman was a turd and it ended up being okay. Plus, after The Last Jedi backlash, I don't trust Star Wars fandom about anything.

Is it a "why?" project? Well, yes, because they're likely going to demystify all the things we love about Han Solo; his relationship with Chewie, how he won the Falcon form Lando, and the Kessel Run which supposedly figures big into the plot.

The Kessel Run is to Star Wars as the Kobayashi Maru is to Star Trek. It was fine for Shatner's Kirk to wax on it in Wrath of Khan. Less fine to see Pine's Kirk beat it in Star Trek '09.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on January 05, 2018, 02:21:41 PM
Oh my god... So a lengthy CGI race scene will fill up all of act two? Back to the 90s for the franchise, I guess.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 05, 2018, 02:56:11 PM
I think the worst case scenario is Ant-Man. Best case scenario? Probably, er, Ant-Man.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 04, 2018, 08:06:10 PM
Can they pull this off? They might pull this off.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 05, 2018, 10:27:04 AM
Hmm.... So... am I going to be able to buy this guy as Han Solo?

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 05, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
It's impossible to capture that young Harrison Ford charisma. I think this is a horrible mistake... But, I have faith. I have hope! Rebellions are built on hope!
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 05, 2018, 07:43:59 PM
I think if it's an Ocean's 11/Italian Job style caper, we'll be okay. If they get too far into demystifying Han Solo, then we won't be.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 06, 2018, 07:35:43 PM
!!

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/star-wars-game-of-thrones-new-films-david-benioff-db-weiss-1202689489/

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‘Game of Thrones’ Creators to Write, Produce New ‘Star Wars’ Series of Films

“Game of Thrones” creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are going to write and produce a new series of “Star Wars” films, Disney announced on Tuesday.

The new series will be separate from the main episodic Skywalker saga that started with “Star Wars: A New Hope” and is slated to wrap up with 2019’s “Star Wars: Episode IX.” It will also exist independently from a Rian Johnson-helmed series that was announced last year.

“David and Dan are some of the best storytellers working today,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm, in a statement. “Their command of complex characters, depth of story and richness of mythology will break new ground and boldly push Star Wars in ways I find incredibly exciting.”

It also comes at a time of transition for Benioff and Weiss. “Game of Thrones,” their sprawling fantasy epic, will end its run on HBO in 2019.  The show has been a massive hit for the premium cabler and has been hailed by fanboys and critics alike for its ability to mix spectacle and political wrangling. “Game of Thrones” is adapted from George R.R. Martin’s book series of the same name.

Benioff and Weiss previously announced that they were developing another series for HBO called “Confederate.” However, that show generated a great deal of controversy over its plotline — it’s an alternate history series that imagines that the American Civil war ended in a stalemate and slavery remains legal — which some deemed insensitive. HBO declined to comment on the future of that series.

“In the summer of 1977 we traveled to a galaxy far, far away, and we’ve been dreaming of it ever since,” Benioff and Weiss said in a joint statement. “We are honored by the opportunity, a little terrified by the responsibility, and so excited to get started as soon as the final season of ‘Game of Thrones’ is complete.”

In 2012, Disney acquired Lucasfilm, the company behind the “Star Wars” series, for more than $4 billion. Since that time, the studio has been exploring novel ways to extend a galaxy far, far away beyond the Skywalker family’s struggles and to maximize their investment. In addition to a new trilogy that unites familiar characters such as Luke Skywalker with new Jedi warriors, the studio has backed standalone spinoff films such as “Rogue One” and next summer’s “Solo,” a look at the early years of Han Solo.

Disney did not give a timeline for when these new Benioff and Weiss-penned films will hit theaters. On an earnings call, Disney CEO Bob Iger said that the two men had approached the studio with an idea a while ago.  Even thought the duo made their name in television, Iger said they were not interested in doing something on the small screen.

“Their interest was in creating a series of films that are ‘Star Wars’ based,” said Iger. “To my knowledge they didn’t express interest about a series.”

Iger was mum on any plot details except to say that the writers and producers are “…focused on a point of time in the ‘Star Wars’ mythology.”

Benioff and Weiss are repped by CAA, Management 360, and attorney Gretchen Rush.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on February 07, 2018, 07:51:54 AM
In the "we get anything we ask for" department...
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 05, 2018, 01:55:11 PM
I never know what to believe on these "I saved the movie" stories because I know how this shit goes down in the process. That said, Rogue One never has registered above lukewarm for me. To use a phrase that's become commonplace here on GS, it felt unnecessary. That said, It also feels like it was only a couple steps away form being a real hot mess.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-writer-tony-gilroy-opens-up-reshoots-1100060 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-writer-tony-gilroy-opens-up-reshoots-1100060)

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Tony Gilroy on 'Rogue One' Reshoots: They Were In "Terrible Trouble"
The screenwriter, who salvaged the 'Star Wars' project, says the situation was so dire, "all you could do was improve their position."

Tony Gilroy is getting candid for the first time about his emergency trip to the Star Wars galaxy.

In June 2016, Lucasfilm hired the Oscar-winning writer to rework Rogue One: A Star Wars Story after the studio was unsatisfied by the state of director Gareth Edwards' movie. By August, he was taking a leading role in post-production and oversaw reshoots to fix a few issues, including the film's ending. Gilroy ultimately was paid millions for his work, and many consider him the film's ghost director.

Gilroy had not spoken publicly about Rogue One until Monday's appearance on The Moment with Brian Koppelman podcast, where he noted that he immediately saw ways to improve the movie when he came on the scene in London.

"If you look at Rogue, all the difficulty with Rogue, all the confusion of it … and all the mess, and in the end when you get in there, it's actually very, very simple to solve," Gilroy said of the film. "Because you sort of go, this is a movie where, 'folks, just look. Everyone is going to die.' So it's a movie about sacrifice."

He saw the opportunity to explore why the film's characters — played by stars such as Felicity Jones, Diego Luna and Donnie Yen — would ultimately sacrifice themselves at the end of the film in order to allow the Rebels to gain the plans to the Death Star.

Choosing his words carefully, Gilroy signaled how much of the project  was changed after he boarded. (Star Ben Mendleson has said "an enormously different" version of the film exists.)

"I came in after the director's cut. I have a screenplay credit in the arbitration that was easily won," said Gilroy.

Unlike lifelong fans like Star Wars: The Last Jedi's Rian Johnson, Gilroy was not a fan of the franchise before boarding, and therefore had no trepidation about potentially messing it up.

"I've never been interested in Star Wars, ever. So I had no reverence for it whatsoever. I was unafraid about that," said Gilroy. "And they were in such a swamp … they were in so much terrible, terrible trouble that all you could do was improve their position."

Rogue One went on to get strong reviews (85 percent on Rotten Tomatoes) and earn more than $1 billion at the global box office, but Gilroy doesn't have plans to return to a galaxy far, far away.

"It doesn't appeal to me," he said of making another Star Wars film. "But I don't think Rogue really is a Star Wars movie in many ways. To me, it's a Battle of Britain movie."

Listen to the full The Moment with Brian Koppelman podcast here. His remarks on Rogue One begin just before the 46:00 mark.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 06, 2018, 11:02:44 AM
So...I loved Rogue One. Very much. And it's the gateway movie for non-Star Wars people.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 08, 2018, 10:09:30 PM
I think Solo will be the gateway movie for non-Star Wars people.

What I also love about the anthology movies? How they're opening up the universe musically. Rogue One was great for feeling like Star Wars while not sounding like Star Wars.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on April 09, 2018, 09:43:09 AM
Came here to see if you posted it! And, yes. I feel good about this now. It's the Firefly reboot we deserve.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 09, 2018, 11:04:17 AM
It's the Firefly reboot we deserve.

Wow. I didn't even think about it until you said it, but you're right.

We have a lot of dates in May. This, Cobra Kai... Okay two dates.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 01, 2018, 10:54:43 AM
Um, Solo is pretty good. I say this with hesitation because I seem to be a distinct minority in thinking so. That, and I feel like I can’t trust my own feelings on Star Wars anymore because the Internet has made Star Wars a referendum on the culture at large.  I don’t want to go off on a rant about How Star Wars “fans” are slowly wearing away at our goodwill towards the films, because maybe that started with the prequels and it’s been sullied since Lucas decided not to just let the original trilogy exist on its own in the first place.

By the way, I’m done with the “Is this film necessary?” argument. All of these sequels and franchise building films are unnecessary. They’re also the future of cinema for better or worse. If in ten years we have the Weekend at Bernie’s cinematic universe, I’m unlikely to blink an eye at this point.

I like Star Wars. I’m inclined to apologize for even its worst choices. I can even make a compelling (if slightly ludicrous) argument that the prequels, while sloppy and misguided, function in the larger world of Star Wars. (Attack of the Clones is the exception that proves the rule.)

I’m not sure how much we talked about it on GS, but I’ll go on the record here as saying what I loved most about The Last Jedi was it’s willingness to upset the Star Wars apple cart and subtlety suggest to fans that what they *think* they love about Star Wars might not be what they *actually* love about Star Wars. It deemphasized the importance of the Skywalkers and even the Force, concepts that the prequels elevated to near mythic proportions.

Solo, like Rogue One, is also a prequel, but it’s firmly rooted in a corner of the Star Wars universe where the Jedi and the Force simply don’t matter. There’s barely any mention of either, and I can’t tell you how refreshing that is. The brushes of Jedi/Sith shit implied in the movie’s third act are subtle and indirect, and save for one moment don’t draw attention to themselves. 

In the lead up to Solo’s release we posted that it felt like Firefly and would be smart not to demystify Han Solo. The film works because we ended up being right about both these things. Solo is about the folks in the Star Wars universe who are trying to make a quick buck and get a ship, the girl, or a nice retirement chalet on the beach planet. It’s *very* Firefly.

And while we see Han Solo meet Chewbacca and fly the Millenium Falcon for the first time, the character isn’t deconstructed or demystified. In fact, from the first shot Han is basically the same Han we know from the other movies.  Part of that is the filmmakers took Harrison Ford’s claim “there’s not much to the guy” to heart. He’s a hustler, a rogue, and a guy trying to game the system from minute one. The filmmakers get that his hero arc comes later. Right now, it’s about him running scams, doing jobs, and being charming.

I said on Twitter that Han and Chewie in this movie are Rosencrantz and Guildenstern to the Hamlet of Tobias Beckett, the character played by Woody Harrellson. One of the reasons that the new guy as Han works is that he’s really just a side player in the larger story between Woody, Daenerys, and the guy who plays Vision in the Marvel movies. Han is the new guy and mostly just going along to get along for as long as it’s working for him. He’s a small time crook who trying to run with the big dogs. Nothing less and nothing more. It works.

All the hand wringing over this film was much ado about nothing. It plays it safe, but in the right way. It never gets overly complicated, and moves fast and loose... kind of like Han Solo himself.

RC says check it out.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 01, 2018, 02:05:56 PM
Oh, I will check it out. No doubt of that. I just wasn't as excited about it going in due to franchise fatigue. But, loyally, I will sit here and get it in me one day...but not soon. Not in the theaters.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 21, 2018, 09:56:36 AM
Jeez... One little movie makes less than a trillion dollars and they lose it.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-the-star-wars-story-films-are-being-put-on-hold-1826992769
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 21, 2018, 03:17:01 PM
I liked Solo better than Rogue One. The anthology movies are weirdly refreshing.
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: Sirharles on June 22, 2018, 07:35:40 AM
I liked it better than "A Force Awakens" but I like Rogue One better than Solo. 
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 22, 2018, 10:35:45 AM
I'd like for the anthology movies to take us elsewhere in the universe. Doesn't the EU cover, like, a few thousand years of war-torn history? Do we really need a Muppet Babies version of every single character and/or films that link up with previous movies?

Has somebody said this exact same thing on every single page of this thread going back to 2005?
Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on June 30, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
A new hole for you to fall down, RC:

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Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: nacho on August 05, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
This is kind of amazing:

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Folks, this is fandom done right. A joyful performance that’s half LARP, half fanfiction, and another extra half media criticism, the Mock Court Martial of Poe Dameron is one of the most fun things I’ve seen to come out of The Last Jedi’s very involved fandom response.

The performers here make it, with Marcus Holt, playing Poe, in particular doing a great job portraying the frustration Poe would inevitably feel at such a proceeding. The proceedings are goofy, gleeful, and full of wonderful nods to the franchise.

If you’ve got some time to kill, this is absolutely a great way to spend it. Until Episode IX comes out, this is my new favorite Star Wars sequel.

Title: Re: General Star Wars Thread
Post by: RottingCorpse on August 06, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
The cool part of the new Star Wars fandom is amazing.