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Title: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 22, 2018, 12:18:55 PM
I texted with Nacho briefly about this yesterday, but Netflix is rebooting Lost in Space. The big news? Parker Posey as Dr. Smith! If you're going to gender bend this one, I can't think of a better way to do it.

(Digression: I loved the 90s movie version.)

Trailer and details below.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/heres-your-first-very-serious-look-at-netflixs-lost-in-1823188706

Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on February 23, 2018, 08:30:53 AM
I can totally get behind this! I love the Jupiter 2 redo. I love the theme song in there, as well. It's such an underappreciated theme song. That weird 50s sci-fi feel mixed in with, like, beach rock or something. So a nice upgrade to that that goes ultra-mod spooky-space works for me.

And the new robot voice. Also sounds good.

People forget that the first season of Lost in Space was dark and moody. Dr. Smith was a murderer, and then their prisoner. He couldn't be trusted and continued to try to kill them for half the season before they gave up on that and went camp. The 90s movie tried to recapture this but....


(Digression: I loved the 90s movie version.)


 idisagree!
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 06, 2018, 03:15:04 PM
I was already sold, but now I'm *really* sold.

Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on March 06, 2018, 04:33:38 PM
I...have reservations. It might take me a bit to adjust to the idea that the Robot is an alien space god, that the Robinson's are not pioneers, and that Dr. Smith (appears to be) a survivor from another colony/expedition.

That sort of removes all the conflict and recasts the show as, you know, the BSG reboot.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 11, 2018, 10:55:35 AM
Opening credits are pretty boring and a little too Enterprise for my taste. I could have used a little more Jupiter 2 and the pumped up theme. What we get of both those elements is very good...

Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 11, 2018, 10:57:36 AM
Also, it's being ruthlessly panned from Variety to the geekosphere (all the episodes are with the reviewers). Variety says it's a boring three episodes before all the action "plays out in a forest outside Vancouver." LOL.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 11, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
So it's 'The Walking Dead.'
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 11, 2018, 01:34:21 PM
So it's 'The Walking Dead.'

Yeah. Apparently Parker Posey steals the show, but is pretty much the only good thing and, despite her best efforts, is woefully underused.

Everyone's complaining about the family drama aspect, which, apparently, forces the sci-fi into the backseat.

Blah.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 13, 2018, 11:12:07 AM
Episode one liveblog!

The Jupiter 2 dies 4 minutes into the episode after we open mid-disaster-storyline. So this means we rush right into giving us the backstory via flashbacks and doing planetside things like assuming the air is safe and taking off their helmets just because one of them had a tear in their spacesuit. So, obviously, it's totally safe!

Also, maybe I'm old, but I'm always confused when a totally lily white family has a mixed race child. Sure, I suppose she's adopted, and it's 2018 and all, but in a TV show it feels more like they said "We need at least one minority! Let's randomly make Judy Robinson a minority even though every other Robinson is a snow white upper class suburbanite!"

And now...I just got orders to leave the house and enjoy the nice weather. Jeez. So. Pause.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 14, 2018, 07:41:55 PM
The Throne Maiden made me go to the Eastern Shore and love the sun and the sea and pay attention to her instead of watching the abomination that is the remake of a sci-fi show that was originally an abomination! HOW DARE SHE!
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 10:40:29 AM
Returning to the slow-moving tale of a wealthy suburban family's mild bickering.

Episode One liveblog continues!

No one will be admitted to the theater during the scene where Penny reads her Kindle books to Judy.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 10:41:41 AM
Father John Robinson doesn't know what specialties number one son Will Robinson tested into when they were all testing to be part of the Jupiter 2 mission.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 10:44:41 AM
Will asks how long they've been away from camp even though he has the 100 years from now descendant of a smart phone on his wrist.

Kind of regretting watching this already.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 10:52:24 AM
Judy (a teenager) is a medical expert who can coach Penny through complicated surgery over the radio. Unfortunately, the writers seem to be making up the reason for the surgery and the surgery itself. Maureen keeps passing out because her broken leg is building up pressure or something...so Penny has to do field surgery (complete with holding the scalpel dramatically in her teeth).

Meanwhile, Will falls down an ice chute and wakes up in a fairy forest outside of Vancouver. So it's bitter cold arctic on one side of a Game of Throne style ice wall (even though no one shows any signs of being cold), and lush northwest rainforest growing right up against the other side of the wall.

I guess, since they killed the Jupiter 2 as soon as the show started, they have to have a super diverse Star Trek III planet with a dozen different biomes in walking distance.

We're also at the half hour mark and I can't tell if they're on the planet they're supposed to be on. They spent the early part of the episode trying to contact the other Jupiter missions, and they seem to recognize the planet, and they seem fairly confident that they know where they are. But then Maureen theorizes that they're on the wrong planet...and then undermines herself saying it's impossible. But then they fired the entire writing team and brought in a group of dogs and cats to write the remainder of the episode.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 10:57:10 AM
Kudos to the obviously insane budget which successfully turns "forests outside of Vancouver" into Skyrim. In fact, I almost had to pause the show and go play Skyrim!
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:01:25 AM
Okay, 40 minute mark. I can put the whole series together now, no thanks to the useless flashbacks, or the central storyline which refuses to tell us anything. The Earth is in trouble and dying. The Robinsons have cheated their way onto the 25th colonist mission (this is only obvious thanks to their mission patches). On the way they hit an alien spaceship, blew the fuck out of both their ships, and are now trapped on an unknown planet.

If that stays true through the end of this season, I'll be pissed. Because, Jesus, such a dumb, simple storyline doesn't have to be hidden and made complicated. Just tell the story and give us some groovy adventures!

Anyway, the crashed alien ship is the intro for Robot. 
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:06:58 AM
Dialogue examples:

"Where's Will,"

*muttered response*

"What happened?"

"We got separated! What do you think happened?!"

Jeez... The next line should have been, "Well how the fuck would I fucking know? What the fuck is the matter with you you ungrateful cunt?"
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:17:57 AM
Will saves Robot from a forest fire that literally flares up within seconds -- so short a time Will can't even run away. So now Robot is their friend and comes to save Judy, whose been trapped in ice for what feels like four seasons even though it's only been 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:20:13 AM
Robot's first words are an entirely inappropriate and almost non sequitur "Danger, Will Robinson." Spoken when Will isn't in danger and everyone but Judy is okay. It's Robot's acknowledgement that Judy needs help. :roll:
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 17, 2018, 11:20:58 AM
Little in life makes me happier than Ncaho liveblogs.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Suddenly everyone's cold. Penny asks Robot to save them before they freeze. They've been running around with jackets open, barely acknowledging the wind and arctic setting, for days now. Like, totally oblivious. Will and John just trekked across a windswept arctic plateau with jackets open, no head covering, and no gloves.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:29:49 AM
Dr. Smith intro!

Dr. Smith is actually a cowardly standard Dr. Smith guy who gets shot while running from the same (?) Robot that Will just friended. Robot is attaching the Jupiter launch base, in an obvious homage to the movie.

Parker Posey steals Smith's credentials, leaving him for dead.

That completely undermines the gender switch! She's not a female Dr. Smith! Totally bogus. Netflix, you fucking cowards. Just do the straight up gender switch. Don't apologize for it.

And don't make Robot a bad guy/from the bad guy squad. What the fuck is that? Dr. Smith has always been an agent for communists/anarchists/unexplained bad people. Just stick with that. Keep it simple, stupid.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:31:14 AM
Ugh. West is the shifty, cheating, stowaway. With Parker Posey's help, he and a red shirt steal a Jupiter.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:32:54 AM
The entire launch base and all the Jupiters get sucked into a magic portal which then catches us up to the beginning of the episode.

Begin Episode Two!
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:33:55 AM
Episode Two: The Saga of West, fake-Smith, and Red Shirt.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:37:40 AM
Red Shirt is pretty good at not dying. They're probably saving her for a Parker Posey murder scene.

Meanwhile, back at the Robinson camp, Maureen brilliantly observes that the Robot is synthetic. Thanks. We got that.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:40:31 AM
Oh, I got confused. Red Shirt died on impact. Parker Posey just looks exactly like Red Shirt and changed outfits to look even more like her in between episodes even though episode two picks up immediately where episode one left off.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:41:42 AM
Meanwhile, back with the Robinson's, We're going to study Judy's flashback PTSD about an event that happened 3 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
Robot saves the Jupiter 2 and dries it out. It sunk in a lake and filled with water...but everything's fine! All the electricity works.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:51:54 AM
So has Penny Robinson just gotten hotter with each new revival, or am I creepy old man?

Angela Cartwright was wholesome and normal. A kid. No weird attraction there (we had bombshell Judy to stare at).

But then they cast Lacey Chabert for the movie, in all her vampy skintight catsuit glory.

And now we have Mina Sundwall. They've correctly stepped away from the awkwardly sexualized version of Penny and tried to get some wholesomeness back. but she's also a model-quality redhead.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
I just noticed that their mission badges say Mission 24, even though Will said they were on Mission 25.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 11:59:06 AM
Biomes within walking distance: California-style desert, Vancouver-style woods, arctic wasteland, savanna, and fantasy-style diamond volcano mountains.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:03:03 PM
OREO AD PLACEMENT


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Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:08:21 PM
Oh! Robot has amnesia and doesn't know it was the alien invader that attacked the launch base. :sign4:
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:09:24 PM
West and fake-Smith found a new Red Shirt.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:15:55 PM
Fake-Smith is decidedly not evil. She's the one who insists on saving the Red Shirt  where West wants to kill her.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 17, 2018, 12:17:11 PM
This sounds all over the map.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:19:58 PM
Will teaches Robot to play catch. Touching.

Next, Will should teach Robot to barf.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 17, 2018, 12:23:47 PM
I do have to say the Idea of Parker Posey as evil canniving survivalist sounds amazing on paper.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:25:18 PM
Maureen and John activate the alien ship and learn that they're in a different galaxy.

Meanwhile, Robot (who is somehow connected psychically with Will) remembers that he was the advance invader for Independence Day 3.

Robot and Will have a heart to heart about the visions of mass murder and the destruction of everything and everyone they love and know and Will decides to have mercy, complete with Robot kneeling and Will putting a hand on its chest.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:26:51 PM
I do have to say the Idea of Parker Posey as evil canniving survivalist sounds amazing on paper.

It's not actually on paper, though. The audience assumed that when she was announced as Dr. Smith. They never actually said what their version of Smith was like.

Every choice she's made since she got on a Jupiter has been altruistic, kind, and even heroic.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:33:31 PM
I do have to say the Idea of Parker Posey as evil canniving survivalist sounds amazing on paper.

It's not actually on paper, though. The audience assumed that when she was announced as Dr. Smith. They never actually said what their version of Smith was like.

Every choice she's made since she got on a Jupiter has been altruistic, kind, and even heroic.

Strike that. She just abandoned the Red Shirt and West and told the Robinsons that she was alone. That's her first Dr. Smith moment, though, since she stole the actual Dr Smith's identity.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 17, 2018, 12:37:49 PM
Okay. Two's my limit today.

 this movie needs sam neill
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 10:44:20 AM
Episode 3! The option to skip the Enterprise-style title sequence isn't provided. How unfriendly.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 10:47:48 AM
Parker Posey backstory flashback!

She's basically Brad Pitt's character from 12 Monkeys in the flashback.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 10:55:21 AM
So one thing I like: The Earth is in a pre-apocalypse state. The movie was heavy-handed about this (and it wasn't a part of the story in the original), but, so far, the reboot is taking a refreshing approach to the apocalypse. It's on everyone's minds. Everyone is talking about it. But they're talking about it in a way that assumes we know what's happening. Like Parker Posey's sister is planning to flee the planet on one of the Jupiters, and Posey, a criminal, is scheming a way to get off world as well. The Robinsons, in flashbacks, are either in active military (the dad) or worried about it, while Maureen is also scheming ways off world and rigging what appears to be a lottery in her family's favor.

Meanwhile, the apocalypse plays out obliquely in the background. Maybe there's a scary news story going on with drama and fire and horror, but everyone is ignoring it because they're busy moving through their lives. Maybe we get a view through a window of a not very comfortable looking outside, but it doesn't matter because there's action going on. And all the action is focused on one thing: Bugging the fuck out.

By not telling us what's going on, I'm actually starting to get intrigued with by the flashbacks. 
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 10:59:48 AM
Another nice nod: Jupiter project notes specify that Alpha Centauri is the destination. That's from the original.

Forgot what the movie's destination was.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:05:28 AM
Parker Posey's Smith is far more subtle. So it seemed like they were going down a role-reversal path with her, but then she betrayed West and the Red Shirt. And now she's just lurking around being malevolent. Robot also recognizes her (and vice versa, of course, since she witnessed the attack). But she's playing it close to the vest. She's playing everything close to the vest. But, thankfully, it's now no longer in doubt that this is a proper Dr. Smith. As in first few episodes of first season original show Smith when he was more clearly a villain, a traitor, and dangerous.

There are also elements of campy Smith, where she gushes hilariously to Will about how she's always wanted a little brother.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Being worried about Judy's ongoing PTSD about shit that happened a day ago is especially annoying when they're in a life or death situation and they stop to discuss whether or not Judy should "sit this one out."

Sure! She can lie in bed and rest while she listens to our death screams! That'll help her PTSD!
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 19, 2018, 11:23:24 AM
In other words, in her past she was the Dr. Smith we desperately wanted?
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:24:10 AM
Alien! And first appropriate use of "Danger, Will Robinson."
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:25:16 AM
In other words, in her past she was the Dr. Smith we desperately wanted?

She's becoming that now. I think our episode two intro was just a long establishing episode designed to connect her with the Robinsons.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Smith realizing that Robot obeys Will (and, so, scheming now to save her own hide) makes the Smith-Will relationship so much better. The closeness between them has always been oddly creepy, both in the original and the movie. This Smith doesn't give a fuck. She's befriending Will simply because Will controls their greatest asset.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:33:59 AM
Aliens turn out to be just an indigenous life form that happens to like the Jupiter's fuel but isn't really stalking the Robinsons. Which, then, fails to explain why Robot is so worried about them.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 19, 2018, 11:34:37 AM
Smith realizing that Robot obeys Will (and, so, scheming now to save her own hide) makes the Smith-Will relationship so much better. The closeness between them has always been oddly creepy, both in the original and the movie. This Smith doesn't give a fuck. She's befriending Will simply because Will controls their greatest asset.

Like Fiona creepy-face and the kid in Utopia?
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:41:35 AM
Man, Posey is doing a very complicated Smith. Everyone else is so flat. Like "I'm playing Will Robinson with only a slight twist," but Posey is making Smith her own. She's doing the amoral self-preservation thing... But she knows wrong from right and seems to want to aspire to doing the right thing. She hesitates and thinks about her actions.

Her intentions are evil, but then she takes a breath, thinks about it, and saves the day. Yet it's done in a way that does not inspire the audience to trust her at all. Kind of awesome. 
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:44:18 AM
Jupiter 2 Millennium Falcons its way out of a glacier cave to a swell of the retouched original theme song and it's awesome. Thank you.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 19, 2018, 11:45:25 AM
Now you're on board it seems?
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:50:09 AM
Once free and settled in the forest outside Vancouver, the Resolute (the launch station) makes contact with a "we will seek you out once we finish repairs" message. Which doesn't quite jive with the damage we saw in episode 2, but that's fine. I'm sure all is not what it seems.

Parker Posey's real name is June Harris. (Jonathan Harris was the original Dr. Smith actor.) That's sort of cool.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Now you're on board it seems?

Episode 3 is on target. Now...let's see if that's a fluke.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
Episode 4! So the Resolute doesn't know anyone's position and was just sending out a blanket message. We open the episode in classic Lost in Space fashion -- Jupiter 2 on the ground, out of fuel, and serving as the "house" surrounded by a little plot of land. Maureen and John are off to find survivors from other Jupiters and decide to leave the kids with Robot and Dr. Smith.

Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:03:12 PM
Although "leave the kids with Dr Smith" did get tiring after three seasons in the original.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
Oh, bad line. "He's an exobiologist. And he is literally an expert in alien biology."
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:10:40 PM
Episode 4 is directed by NuWho alum Alice Troughton, and Jupiter 11 has on board the Asian chick from Heroes Reborn (AKA, the only good thing about Heroes Reborn).

Of course, when the Robinsons arrive at Jupiter 11, there's trouble! Don West is alive! There are scary bugs coming their way!

Also, Red Shirt is still alive. Let's see how long that lasts.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:13:37 PM
63 survivors and lots of Jupiters. But...the eels from episode three have infested all of them and eaten all the fuel. So everyone's stuck.

Did...they just give us 63 Red Shirts?

Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:27:59 PM
The little touches of alien plant life are very well handled.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
Yeah, Don West is filling the zany Dr. Smith role. He's a smuggler and a criminal, but he has the campy Han Solo vibe and is generally harmless.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 19, 2018, 12:35:52 PM
His character arc will be to learn the error of his ways and become an ally to the Robinsons.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 12:51:33 PM
Ugh. Still don't care about Maureen and John's divorce talk and rekindling relationship journey.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2018, 01:02:02 PM
Dr. Smith gets some alone time with Robot and, yeah, she's great.

Except for boring Maureen and John, episode 4 stands the test.
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on April 21, 2018, 11:08:18 AM
Episode 5 tells us what the apocalypse is -- it's the early stages of what was happening in the movie. Environmental collapse. No more blue skies. Life on Earth won't last much beyond three generations.

It also explains why Judy is mixed race (John is Maureen's second husband).

It also reveals Robot to all the survivors.

The drawbacks/warning signs: Will's mental/dream connection with Robot, and the 63 survivors trying to make due with meager supplies, is all very Earth 2. And while, yes, I own the Earth 2 blu rays and occasionally have a hankering to watch that show -- I'm the only one!
Title: Re: Lost in Space
Post by: nacho on May 08, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
Finally finished this! My god, I'm weirdly busy. I shouldn't be.

So the entire first season is just a prequel. We (spoilers, but who cares?) get everyone in their standard old school Lost in Space roles by the final scene and then they get space-warped away and truly lost in space.

Which means they spent 10 hours introducing us to characters who, by and large, were simply cut-outs of the same characters they've always been since 1966 with a few modern tweaks.

I'm not too sure I'm happy with this. I feel like, if you were just going to do a Lost in Space reboot that was right in line with the original, you could have gotten to that point much faster. We don't need to know the motivations for Maureen Robinson to save her family. Wouldn't anyone do that? And I again wonder if Posey is playing Dr. Smith or if she's playing Posey playing Dr. Smith.

Anyway... We'll get season two, I'm sure, and I'll give it a chance, but I don't see any need to re-watch season one ever.