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Title: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 13, 2014, 02:09:21 PM
Started a general superhero TV thread because none of these shows last more than one season.

Except Arrow which everybody seems to love, yet I don't know a single person who watches it... not even my DC comics obsessed sister.

Anyway, they're spinning off a Flash show which is teased at the end of this preview.

Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on May 13, 2014, 02:17:58 PM
Most superhero shows last more than a season! We have a long tradition of shows surviving. Hell, isn't Smallville in year 10?

That said, you're right... I'm hard pressed to find a real human being who actually watches these shows.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 13, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
Smallville is done now, but yes, it lasted ten seasons.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: Sirharles on May 13, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
I tried watching Arrow...it was so bad.  Yet I couldn't stop watching.  Like watching a train wreck in slow motion over and over again.  The acting was horrible, stunts horrible, story line HORRIBLE.  The only thing that kept me coming back was to find out what happened to him on the island.  However, even that wasn't enough for me to got back to it, after Mrs. Sirharles made me stop for a few days.  I got through 7 or 8 episodes but that was it.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on May 28, 2014, 04:09:43 PM
RC...should we folk Agents of Shield into this thread?
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 28, 2014, 04:11:11 PM
Probably.

Also, John Wesley Shipp is playing Barry Allen's dad in the CW's new Flash show. Kind of cool.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 28, 2014, 08:20:19 PM
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Marvel Studios and Netflix have found their Matt Murdock. After carefully scouting the scene for the perfect actor to headline their Daredevil series, they've decided on Charlie Cox. The British thespian was already a frontrunner, and now he's officially landed the part.

According to Variety, Cox will take over the role that Ben Affleck previously played in the 2003 feature film Daredevil. The Netflix series is just one of many Marvel properties that will highlight a character from New York's Hell's Kitchen area. Others include Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.

Cox is best known for appearing on HBO's Boardwalk Empire, as well as Downton Abbey. He also starred in the 2007 film Stardust opposite Claire Danes. Prior to this announcement, Daredevil was rocked by the abrupt departure of showrunner Drew Goddard, who opted to work on Sony's Spider-Man spinoff Sinister Six instead. But, no fear, he was quickly replaced by Steven S. DeKnight (Starz's Spartacus). 

Daredevil is expected to run for 13 episodes. The series, as well as the solo outings for Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, will lead to a team-up miniseries event, called The Defenders. It's the Avengers model, but for the small screen.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 10, 2014, 10:35:07 PM
Netflix's Daredevil might be shaping up to be something cool.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=53347 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=53347)

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VINCENT D'ONOFRIO TO PLAY KINGPIN IN MARVEL AND NETFLIX'S "DAREDEVIL"
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2014, 07:57:45 AM
The pilot for The Flash leaked! Hitting it tomorrow night, which is the first free chance I have because I can no longer watch TV all day at work.

Internet sad face.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: Reginald McGraw on June 25, 2014, 08:41:43 AM
However you have Friday's off...oh I mean "WAH"!
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on June 25, 2014, 09:07:35 AM
WAH!!
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on June 28, 2014, 05:54:29 PM
So....The Flash.

Entertaining, but horrifically flawed and clumsy. It's just trying to copy Agents of SHIELD, and not doing it well. Having that entirely horrifically pointless scene with The Arrow hurt like hell.

But... Thoughts RC?
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on July 18, 2014, 07:48:33 AM
So I haven't watched the Flash. You put it in DB for me and I just didn't have the will.

However, This Daredevil show by Netflix is getting more and more curious.

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“True Blood” star Deborah Ann Woll is trading supernaturals for superheroes and has been cast as the female lead in “Daredevil.”

Woll will play Karen Page, the love interest to blind crimefighter Daredevil himself Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox) in the 13-episode series. Vincent D'Onofrio, Rosario Dawson, Elden Henson and Peter Shinkoda are also series regulars.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on July 18, 2014, 08:59:06 AM
I'll watch just to stare at Deborah Ann Woll!
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on July 29, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
I've been ignoring Gotham because it looks retarded.

But, today, I learned that SEAN FUCKING PERTWEE is playing Alfred. So...yes. I'm watching. No matter what.

Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on September 23, 2014, 10:39:22 AM
Gotham's pilot episode was, surprisingly, okay...
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on October 21, 2014, 08:41:49 AM
So Gotham's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness...

The younger versions of everyone are perfectly cast, and the show's self-awareness of who these people are (or will be) is very well handled. The Penguin's rise to power is deliciously written, Catwoman is underused but so on the nose that it's a pleasure whenever she's on screen, the Riddler gets more and more with each episode. I love these backstories, and I love how they're being handled, but....

Bruce Wayne is a troubled 12 year old. He's kind of why we're here watching, yes? But it's going to be a decade before he does anything except be precocious, so they're going to have to either advance his age and the storyline (and change the actor), or convince us that we should be content with a show that hit a plateau in the first episode.

Likewise, young Jim Gordon -- the show's nominal star -- is also boring without Batman. He's just going to be a goodnik cop who can't quite get ahead until a caped crusader comes on the scene, right? For...the next ten seasons? What he's ended up becoming is very strange -- they're doing it so that Jim Gordon inadvertently creates all of the villains. In the pilot, he's single-handedly responsible for setting both Poison Ivy and the Penguin on their trajectories, and he's got a soft spot for young Selina Kyle, keeping her away from the law.

By trying to paint this portrait of a good cop in a bad town who tries to do right even when, maybe, he shouldn't, the show's creators have somehow managed to paint a picture of Jim Gordon as the father of arch-villainy. This could be interesting if it all came around into a tale of regret that leads him, ultimately, to Batman, but he's so two-dimensional it's agonizing. If this were the complicated tale of Jim Gordon, that would be great. Instead, we get poor man's Russell Crowe chewing away at the scenery while actual capable actors are doing amazing things with comic book bad guys all around him.

We're four episodes in and this show has already done everything it can with the story and is at the end of its rope. In fact, the upcoming episodes devolve into mindless things. Episode six is about how the Penguin adopts the use of umbrellas! We're not even at the halfway point and they're out of ideas.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on November 04, 2014, 07:59:49 AM
Last night's Gotham at least brought the pot to a boil instead of the long, dull simmer... But, again, now the opposite of my last post is the case -- we're moving too fast if we have to wait 10 years for Batman.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on November 04, 2014, 12:46:52 PM
Lost syndrome. The show runners have no long term plan.

I had a meter class last week with Morgan Gendel, a Law & Order story editor for years and years and also writer of a couple TNG episodes (most famously "The Inner Light."). He said there' almost never a long term pan for any of these shows though he hopes the success of Game of Thrones will change that.  Game of thrones (he said) is basically just a single hundred-hour-long feature film.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on November 18, 2014, 07:57:28 PM
Okay, Gotham. You're almost in the groove... Now, remember: More Alfred! More Selina Kyle! Don't stray...
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on December 23, 2014, 03:41:43 PM
Okay, fine. This looks fun.

Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 07, 2015, 07:45:54 PM
On the flip side of the superhero coin, Netflix's Daredevil show has potential to be good. We all agree (ad nauseum on GS I think) that TV is where superhero storytelling can really succeed, yes?

Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on January 07, 2015, 08:37:49 PM
Yes! Though I hate all the current superhero TV... What's Arrow? Like, for little girls? And The Flash is dumb. And SHIELD hurts... Haven't tried Agent Carter yet, but nobody liked it on my genre blogs...
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 22, 2015, 04:14:45 PM
From the "who knew this was happening" file.

http://deadline.com/2015/01/melissa-benoist-supergirl-cast-cbs-pilot-glee-1201355085/ (http://deadline.com/2015/01/melissa-benoist-supergirl-cast-cbs-pilot-glee-1201355085/)

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Melissa Benoist Is Supergirl: CBS Pilot Casts ‘Glee’ Actress In Lead Role

Melissa Benoist got her break when she was cast as a female lead in the William McKinley High School storyline on Glee when most of the Fox dramedy’s original stars saw their characters either move to New York or leave the show.

Now Benoist has landed an even higher-profile leading role that could make her a household name overnight — she has been cast in the title role of CBS’ pilot Supergirl.

Based on the characters from DC Comics, the project, from Warner Bros. TV and studio-based Berlanti Prods., centers on Kara Zor-El (Benoist). Born on the planet Krypton, Kara Zor-El escaped amid its destruction years ago. Since arriving on Earth, she’s been hiding the powers she shares with her famous cousin, Superman. But now at age 24, she decides to embrace her superhuman abilities and be the hero she was always meant to be.

Written by Greg Berlanti and Ali Adler, the project went through an extensive casting process, with several young actresses testing for the lead. Benoist had been consistently in the mix, first alongside Claire Holt and more recently considered along with Elizabeth Lail.

Benoist, repped by UTA, Anonymous Content and Frankfurt, Kurnit, Klein & Setz, has a supporting role in the feature Whiplash, which is nominated for five Academy Awards, including Best Picture. She will next be seen in the film The Longest Ride, opposite Britt Robertson and Scott Eastwood.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on January 22, 2015, 04:28:35 PM
Now, RC! NOW the genre is dead.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 22, 2015, 04:30:02 PM
This is where I probably should keep the fact that I liked the Helen Slater/Faye Dunaway Supergirl to myself, right?
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on January 22, 2015, 04:31:53 PM
This is where I probably should keep the fact that I liked the Helen Slater/Faye Dunaway Supergirl to myself, right?

Um...yes.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 22, 2015, 04:32:59 PM
I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying I liked it.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on January 22, 2015, 04:37:07 PM
So, anyway, how about those Caps, eh?
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 22, 2015, 04:48:40 PM
And wearing women's underwear is great. I just like the way it feels.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2015, 07:13:56 AM
Agent Carter. So... Does it strike anyone as odd that the anti-sexist, strong female lead, we're bringing women to the forefront of the genre show relies entirely on having her gigantic tits about to fly out of every outfit?
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: monkey! on January 26, 2015, 07:26:12 AM
Wait... she is allowed outfits?
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on January 26, 2015, 07:46:23 AM
Wait... she is allowed outfits?

In between a constant barrage of bra shots and cocktail dresses that are three sizes too small, yes.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: monkey! on January 26, 2015, 10:20:01 AM
Damn feminism.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on January 27, 2015, 11:31:13 PM
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/70150 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/70150)

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Marvel’s JESSICA JONES Hires Doctor Who!!

David Tennant, the “Doctor Who” vet who has been crisscrossing the Atlantic to star in “Broadchurch” and “Gracepoint,” will soon be stateside again to star as Kilgrave in Netflix’s upcoming “Jessica Jones” series.

Created by Stan Lee and Joe Orlando for “Daredevil” #4, the comic book supervillain Zebediah Killgrave was known as The Purple Man, a fellow who used pheromones to control the minds of others.

“Jessica Jones” will be the second of at least five 13-episode live action Marvel series that will stream on Netflix. The first of those five, “Daredevil,” dumps onto the service April 10. Other Marvel series turning up on Netflix in the near future are “Luke Cage” (following the adventures of Jones’ superhero romantic interest), “Iron Fist” and “The Defenders” (a series that will team Jones, Cage, Daredevil and Iron Fist).

Melissa Rosenberg, who wrote all the "Twilight" movies and many episodes of "Dexter," serves as "Jessica Jones" showrunner.

Played by Krysten Ritter ("Breaking Bad," "Don't Trust The Bitch"), Jones is a former superhero who goes into business as a private detective. “Jessica Jones” will be set in the same onscreen Marvel universe that houses Clark Gregg’s Phil Coulson, Hayley Atwell’s Peggy Carter, Scarlett Johansson’s Natasha Romanoff, Samuel L. Jackson’s Nick Fury, Mark Ruffalo’s Bruce Banner, Robert Downey’s Tony Stark, Charlie Cox’s Matt Murdock, Michael Douglas’ Hank Pym, Chris Pratt’s Peter Quill, Chris Hemsworth’s Thor, James Spader’s Ultron, etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 04, 2015, 11:01:02 AM
Oh! This looks all right.

Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on February 04, 2015, 11:21:53 AM
I'm just glad to see superhero TV get a crack at being dark. They can show tits, say fuck, and blow heads off on Netflix.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on February 04, 2015, 11:58:33 AM
Gotham finally got it right with their latest episode -- where the villain is the Scarecrow's father and the Scarecrow is roughly Bruce Wayne's age.

With some of the baddies, I keep wondering how they're going to explain it when Bruce becomes Batman in, what, 20 years and all these bad guys are still around and in business.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 04, 2015, 12:01:30 PM
Well, Penguin was always an older dude anyhow.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on February 04, 2015, 12:17:51 PM
Well, Penguin was always an older dude anyhow.

Okay...

So we have The Riddler, who's in his mid to late 20s. Falcone is in his late 50s, early 60s.

Catwoman is okay -- but she's about five years older than Bruce.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 04, 2015, 01:34:08 PM
In the end, it probably doesn't matter because they'll just Smallville the whole thing and Bruce Wayne will become Batman in the series finale.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on February 10, 2015, 08:29:25 AM
I'm debating a Gotham thread... Scarecrow's two-part origin story was pretty awesome. Bruce is manning up, Sean Pertwee is getting out of his butler suit, and the Penguin is on the rise.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 10, 2015, 08:55:52 AM
Feel free... though is anybody but you actually watching?
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on February 10, 2015, 10:33:31 AM
Feel free... though is anybody but you actually watching?

I am the only other person watching this show besides the AV Club guy getting paid to watch it.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on February 10, 2015, 10:44:06 AM
I meant on GS.

It has pretty good numbers from what I understand. Not Walking Dead numbers, but who has those exe cot, you know, The Walking Dead.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on February 10, 2015, 10:47:40 AM
Don't mention TWD in casual conversation like that. I collapse to the floor in tears screaming out the names of the dead.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on March 03, 2015, 03:21:12 PM
io9's brilliant review of last night's Gotham pretty much covers everything that's wrong with the show:

http://io9.com/what-if-gotham-is-actually-a-prequel-to-the-1960s-batma-1689145092

Or, if their theory is correct about the show actually being in the Batman '66 universe, maybe everything about the show is right!
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on March 10, 2015, 02:34:33 PM
Man... this really looks good.

Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on March 10, 2015, 02:36:59 PM
Guess I'll spend that weekend watching Netflix!
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 03, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
Man, have we just skipped over the Supergirl TV show?

Confession: For reasons I can't articulate, Supergirl's outfit makes me feel funny in weird places.

http://deadline.com/2015/03/supergirl-first-look-melissa-benoist-costume-1201387599/ (http://deadline.com/2015/03/supergirl-first-look-melissa-benoist-costume-1201387599/)

(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/supergirl-first-look-image-full-body.jpg?w=544&h=1024)
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 04, 2015, 09:05:28 AM
I've been actively avoiding it.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 14, 2015, 03:45:36 PM
Things I realized during the Gotham hiatus: The only reason I started to get into the final episodes before the break was because I was suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 14, 2015, 04:58:48 PM
My plan is to binge watch Daredevil over the weekend.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 15, 2015, 08:33:42 AM
My plan is to binge watch Daredevil over the weekend.

You and everyone else, apparently. And I'm hearing nothing but good... So I may do the same.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 19, 2015, 05:40:15 PM
I don't know about Daredevil. The first episode was fun, but the second episode was dull. Dull enough that I gave up my marathon plans and moved on today.

It's weird... It has the tone and feel of 70s and 80s Superhero TV. Like Incredible Hulk. But, of course, it has the demands of the 2015 narrative style. Somehow, the two do not go together.

I think the main problem is that we're in prologue country. My fear is that this is 13 hours of prologue. Which is fine, I suppose...

I don't know. Is it superhero saturation perhaps?
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 20, 2015, 08:37:10 AM
I gave up on it. When he tortured a guy in the second episode using the trigeminal nerve (and then introduced this as a regular technique) I actually had a panic attack. Like a full blown PTSD meltdown. Crying, sweating, shaking, my heart beating a mile a minute, incapacitated...as he slowly drives the knife into the upper trigeminal and the bad guy screams bloody, shrieking murder.

Fuck Daredevil.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 20, 2015, 10:40:18 AM
Oh. Jesus.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: Sirharles on April 20, 2015, 10:53:21 AM
I got two episodes in and it didn't grab me.  I may try for a third but it's on my chopping block.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 21, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Ha, ha. I love you io9!

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If Gotham Is The Batman Show We Deserve, We Are Awful, Awful People
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 22, 2015, 10:39:36 AM
Film school friends are telling me the Daredevil action scenes are a throwback to pre-Bourne detailed fight choreography. Despite Nacho's TN PTSD, I'm still planning on giving it a whirl.... someday.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 23, 2015, 12:28:21 AM
First episode of Daredevil was quite good. Now for the second episode slump.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 24, 2015, 09:45:13 AM
Weird. I found the second episode slowdown in Daredevil to be strangely compelling. Granted it's the the kind of stand alone "quiet" story that one tells in the second or third season of a show like this. And I didn't quite believe Rosario Dawson's noble motives for not turning Murdock in or calling an ambulance, though her explanation at the end about how criminals attacked or people saved by a man in a black mask were showing up at her hospital and that "people are starting to notice" has a nice frisson.

Missus RC and I both cringed at the Trigeminal stab for you. You'll be happy to know it wasn't repeated in the third episode. So, I say skip past that part of the 2nd episode and absolutely drool over the single shot fight scene that ends the episode when he goes to save the kidnapped boy from the Russians. This show really is an return to the old school fight scene. I love it.

Episode 3 focused on Murdock and Nelson being "paid" by our creepy JJ. Abrams looking Major Domo for Kingpin in order for them to rep a hired killer. Foggy wants the money and Murdock smells sleaze, but they end up taking it because Murdock thinks it could get him closer finding out who's running the underworld. It's more of a legal procedural in this episode, though at the end the hired thug gets off and Daredevil administers street justice and gets the Kingpin's name. Then we're finally introduced to D'Onofrio's Wilson Fisk who is going to be absolutely amazing.

I'll keep an eye out for more Trigeminal torture, but if it doesn't return,  Daredevil is worth coming back to methinks.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 24, 2015, 09:51:45 AM
I'll think about it. It was really a bad moment.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 24, 2015, 10:03:34 AM
I'm sure... Though right after he dumps the dude off the roof after telling him, "I like doing this." Then Rosario Dawson calls him on it saying, "I don't think you do." It's the beginning of the evolution of who he's going to be a vigilante. Which of course doesn't mean he won't employ that method again. I'll be on watch for it.

It's a good show though. Missus RC and I both are enjoying it.
</Marvel-brainwashing>
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
So...I'm not able to go back to it. I start to shake and get nauseous when I do, and it feels like I'm having a hot flash. I pretty much have that reaction whenever it pops up on the Netflix suggested titles roster...and when I see this thread bumped!

Neat!
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Sideways from our TV 2.0 discussion (and out Superhero movie discussion)... What Netflix does have going for it is it's Marvel deal. Where AMC is the top of the TV food chain. Marvel is currently the top of the theatrical film food chain.

http://www.vigilantist.com/?p=148 (http://www.vigilantist.com/?p=148)

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Rumor: Punisher Series In Development on Netflix

Fresh off the success of Marvels Daredevil; Marvel and Netflix have started to design “Phase 2″ of their Netflix series. Our Source (who’s name will remain unspoken) tells us that one of their focuses will be on Frank Castle AKA The Punisher.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2015, 01:57:18 PM
ABC is also considering four new Marvel series...
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2015, 01:59:00 PM
That's the Disney connection. (Disney owns Marvel... and ABC.)
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
This is going to be amazing to watch when it all implodes.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2015, 02:06:59 PM
So here's the thing. It doesn't matter if it implodes.

Disney owns ABC, Marvel, Star Wars, and a bunch other shit. Yet they don't make their money off media; movies, TV, or otherwise. They make it off theme parks, licensing, toys, books, etc. It's the model that the music industry was forced into. (The music is just advertising for the concerts, T-Shirts, licensing, etc.) Only Disney has been doing that shit for years. I don't have the exact number, but only around 10% of Disney's income comes from movie money. The Marvel movies, TV shows, and cartoons are just advertisements for alter other crap parents buy their kids. The Star Wars movies are the same. Avengers: Age of Ultron and the news Star Wars movies will break box office records, but are merely commercials in the minds of the Disney execs. We're paying them to watch their commercials. It's a remarkable model.

That's why when something like John Carter bombs, they just shrug it off.  It's just part of their advertising budget. They expect to make nothing. The box office receipts just pad their bottom line. It's insane and possibly even evil.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on April 29, 2015, 02:14:12 PM
That's close to my argument every time you say it's going to implode!
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on April 29, 2015, 02:17:09 PM
The movies are going to stop making money. That's a mathematical certainty. Disney will move on to whatever the next big thing is.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on May 05, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
Oh, thank god. Gotham ended. I might quietly move this show onto my personal cancellation list over the summer. I gave it more than a fair chance...and the finale was a fucking mess. And not even a hot one. Every single character suddenly (and, in most cases, without provocation, explanation, or any sense of narrative) embraced their alter egos. After the long, slow, and sometimes rewarding buildup...

Selina Kyle instantly, without any hint of transformation, becomes Catwoman (the change that makes the least sense because she went from being on a path of love and justice to toting a machine gun and heading up a violent street gang). Nygma has a weird breakdown at the filing cabinets because he gets rejected by the woman who's rejected him in every episode and instantly turns into the Riddler. The Penguin, who has been the Penguin proper for a few episodes now, is moved up in rank so he can finally be the Penguin we know. Bruce discovers the Batcave.

At least they didn't reveal the Joker... But the finale was so stupid and lame, I'm surprised that they didn't do so.

The only way they can make all this work now is if they have a 10 year jump so Bruce can catch up with everyone. 
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on May 05, 2015, 01:40:36 PM
Haha... The Gotham finale also deeply disturbed everyone at io9.

http://io9.com/36-questions-about-last-night-s-completely-ridiculous-g-1702278368
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on May 13, 2015, 08:02:24 PM
...

Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: Sirharles on May 14, 2015, 10:52:44 AM
Okay...I can get behind that.

And no...that's not what I meant Monkey.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on May 14, 2015, 11:23:19 AM
Every version of Supergirl has been so horrible that I can get behind this too!

(Edit: That's not a good thing, really. But they can't do worse than Smallville's Supergirl.)
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on May 14, 2015, 02:05:30 PM
My point from the Jem discussion! But, then, Supergirl isn't really the platform for empowered women. Wasn't she always a second fiddle? The comedy cousin of Superman?

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At best, it’s laughably bad, but at worst, it’s borderline offensive; at one point, Kara has a conversation with her boss Cat (Calista Flockhart) about the name “Supergirl,” and Cat more or less shoots Kara down for preferring “woman” over “girl” — which is, well, pretty nauseating to watch. To put it mildly, CBS doesn’t have the strongest grasp on the female demographic, and this trailer is remarkable in just how much it proves that.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: monkey! on May 15, 2015, 09:43:29 AM
Okay...I can get behind that.

And no...that's not what I meant Monkey.

She's French, no...? There's some clip of her full frontal nudity out there.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: nacho on May 28, 2015, 07:40:36 AM
Supergirl pilot leaked...and it is horrible. Beyond horrible.
Title: Re: Superhero TV
Post by: RottingCorpse on June 10, 2015, 02:20:08 PM
I haven't returned to Daredevil since episode 3, but they're gearing up for season 2.

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Jon Bernthal, who played Shane Walsh on the first two seasons of “The Walking Dead,” will play deadly vigilante Frank “The Punisher” Castle in Neflix’s second season of “Daredevil.”
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Post by: nacho on June 10, 2015, 02:21:48 PM
I was never able to go back after my PTSD episode.
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Post by: nacho on August 27, 2015, 11:10:20 AM
So I guess I have to start thinking about this idiot show again.


The continuing adventures of an alt-history 12 year old Batman who, by the time he grows up and becomes Batman, will find that all his greatest foes will be middle aged and living in the suburbs.
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Post by: nacho on September 18, 2015, 09:17:22 AM
Because Gotham returns this week and that makes me want to open a vein, I figured I'd ground myself with some 70s Superhero TV!

http://mentalfloss.com/article/68374/13-kick-ass-facts-about-wonder-woman
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Post by: nacho on September 30, 2015, 08:39:27 AM
Oh my god...wait a minute! The latest episode of Gotham was awesome!

Know what they've done? They've killed the entire GCPD so now Gordon gets to stop being bullied all the time. They've given Sean Pertwee long, awesome scenes where he's grooming a young Lucius Fox. They've introduced teenage Joker, and he steals every single scene he's in.
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Post by: nacho on October 06, 2015, 01:56:23 PM
Oh my god...wait a minute! The latest episode of Gotham was awesome!

Know what they've done? They've killed the entire GCPD so now Gordon gets to stop being bullied all the time. They've given Sean Pertwee long, awesome scenes where he's grooming a young Lucius Fox. They've introduced teenage Joker, and he steals every single scene he's in.

And just as soon as everyone is ready to embrace and forgive Gotham, they fuck everything up again and it's, once again, the worst thing ever. Yawn.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on October 27, 2015, 03:38:36 PM
That's David Tennant at "Kilgrave" in Marvel's Daredevil "spinoff," Jessica Jones. I like the gritty "street level" superhero stuff they're doing here... even though I won't be watching it.

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Post by: nacho on October 27, 2015, 10:31:04 PM
Had to quit Supergirl halfway through. The hit(mis)-list:

1) They aren't allowed to say "Superman." So they avoid it at all costs...constantly. Supergirl uses his proper name, and everyone else says things like "Are you like....Him..." and Jimmy Olson shrugs and says stuff like "I think I'll ask my buddy in the suit."

2) The DC universe's version of SHIELD is not only front and center...Supergirl is basically working with them. Her sister is an agent. They've spent ten years hunting the rogue prison ship that disgorged hundreds of insane Kryptonian criminals on Earth who are -- JUST NOW!! -- coming out of hiding to prepare the way for "the general."

3) The "Supergirl" name comes about largely thanks to twitter, which leads to a lengthy scene where Supergirl rants about feminism to a less than amused Calista Flockhart.

4) Calista Flockhart is weird-looking, unlikable, and can't seem to walk in a straight line or stand without wobbling/leaning on something.

5) Supergirl desperately reveals herself to the big mouth idiot guy instead of Jimmy Olsen so she can have a human sidekick who can...be the standard human sidekick from every superhero movie. Jimmy is a love interest. They fall in love at first sight.



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Post by: Sirharles on November 23, 2015, 11:29:35 AM
I've watched the first four or five episodes of Jessica Jones.  Pretty good, nothing that stands out as fantastic, but then hardly anything does on TV anymore.  What I don't get is that this show is supposed to be part of MCU, but they only make vague references to other Marvel characters.  And isn't this supposed to be going in the same place and at the same time as Daredevil?  I mean like blocks from each other.  No mention of it at all.  Maybe in later episodes.  One of the reasons I decided to try this show was I like idea of an all encompassing movie/TV universe.  Where they do crossovers and reference other shows/movies.  Much in the way Buffy and Angel did.  But they seem to be going out of their way to not reference the other characters in this "shared" universe.  So far the only mention of the Avengers is "the big green guy" and a little boy wearing a Captain America costume. 

While I like the show, I am disappointed they aren't using it (and other shows) to create the shared universe they've been selling all along.
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Post by: nacho on November 23, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
I couldn't make it through the first episode. But, then, I have a problem with Ritter. Everytime I see her, I picture her choking to death on her own vomit while Walter White watches impassively.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 15, 2016, 11:11:31 AM
Daredevil returns for season 2 trying to make The Punisher, who didn't well in two separate movie attempts, seem cool again.

Man, I hate Marvel.

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Post by: nacho on March 03, 2016, 06:19:37 PM
Oh, good. Gotham is back.

Please...someone shoot me.
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Post by: nacho on December 15, 2016, 10:28:24 AM
I stopped watching Gotham... But I can't escape the chattering about it in the geek-o-sphere. This whole season (the whole show, really) has been building to the Big Reveal of the Joker. Even though Bruce Wayne is still about 10 years away from becoming Batman.

I remain mystified by the idea that all the iconic Batman villains are all in their 30s and 40s while Bruce is 12. So when he finally becomes Batman he'll be fighting versions of the baddies who are all pushing 60? Or maybe they're going for the Watchmen thing and the villain roles will be inherited?

Anyway...this fucking show.
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Post by: nacho on February 16, 2017, 10:36:12 AM
Sirharles and I are watching Legion.

As of episode two, it's quite good. It's different from any other superhero TV (um...thank fucking god) and it has a bgreat vibe about it. Created by the guy who also does Fargo, it stars several Fargo alum -- including Jean Smart who, despite her long and stunning career, will, for me, forever be the terrifying Floyd Gerhart in the last season of Fargo. She basically stole every scene she was in. She's clearly been told to stop doing that here.

Aubrey Plaza gets to play Aubrey Plaza, as usual.

So far, so good. My only complaint: His girlfriend (also from the second season of Fargo where she was extraordinary, as well as Jean Smart) changes places with you if you touch her. She takes precautions against this by wearing gloves -- but only if required by the script. So half the time she's walking around without gloves which becomes very distracting by the second episode (and, in hindsight, in the first episode). So she never accidentally touches anyone? I don't know, I'm just a city guy who rides the Metro so I don't know anything, but I'd be switching bodies about 12 times a day. 

I do like the implication that the entire X-Men universe is actually a figment of this guy's imagination. I would like them to try and hold onto that instead of outright "curing" him.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 16, 2017, 06:31:03 PM
Despite my X-Men love, this hasn't grabbed me as something I should be watching. They've deviated wildly from the comic books. (Probably a good thing.)
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Post by: Sirharles on February 17, 2017, 10:35:48 AM
I still need to check out the second episode.
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Post by: nacho on February 17, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
The other anti-superhero show! Powerless. It's loads of fun. But...I think it's because Alan Tudyk, as Bruce Wayne's idiot cousin, is a comic genius.

Edit: Oh, fair warning: It's dumb in that cute way and ruthlessly rips off Better Off Ted. In fact, it basically is Better Off Ted.
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Post by: nacho on March 05, 2017, 02:21:50 PM
Okay... I've figured out my problem with Legion: I don't care about David's journey. So far, this show has been about the psychological rehabilitation of a troubled young man using the storytelling techniques of Fargo while bound by superhero tropes.

And why do we care? They need to either embrace the idea that David is delusional and, by extension, the X-Men universe is a dream, or they need to get over themselves and tell some X-Men stories...
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Post by: RottingCorpse on March 05, 2017, 05:59:03 PM
I still don't care about Legion yet. As an X-Men fan, I feel like I should watch it, but my superhero saturation point is somewhere between "Ugh" and "Blargh."

Especially after Logan which is such a testament to what the genre can aspire to.
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Post by: nacho on March 06, 2017, 08:06:59 AM
I actually quit on the last episode. We're only a few episodes in and a third of the episode was recapping - and reshowing - stuff from the last couple episodes while the characters discussed the significance of what they had seen.

Personal cancelation for me. Mainly because of the saturation factor but also because Fargo, Better Call Saul, Doctor Who, and about thirteen dozen Best Shows In the History of TV premier in a few weeks.
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Post by: nacho on March 06, 2017, 08:14:44 AM
I find it extraordinary, by the way, that we are so saturated by scifi TV that we can pick and choose. Man, for decades we lived and died by one or two short lived shows in a desert of bad TV.
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Post by: nacho on March 23, 2017, 10:45:10 AM
I stopped watching Legion, but I hear from the geek-o-sphere that David finally woke up from the dream he started having FOUR EPISODES AGO!! Yay! Maybe the next three episodes will be about him eating breakfast. Then we can end the season with a big, huge shit for 50 agonizing minutes.
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Post by: RottingCorpse on June 30, 2017, 11:25:18 AM
I always liked the concept of the Inhumans, super powered mutant types living as refugees on the moon, in the comics though it's a bit one note. The concept they're sort of not explaining well in the trailer is that Black Bolt (the King) can destroy cities with his voice. This is supposedly Marvel's workaround for being unable to use "mutants" since Fox has the X-Men rights.

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Post by: nacho on June 30, 2017, 11:35:16 AM
 snorebot!
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Post by: RottingCorpse on July 23, 2017, 09:50:41 PM
SDCC is going on, so insane genre shit is popping everywhere.

Here's a trailer for Marvel's Defenders which combines Netflix's Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage so they can fight Sigourney Weaver.

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Post by: RottingCorpse on February 05, 2018, 06:44:55 PM
Speaking of infantile awfulness...

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Post by: nacho on February 06, 2018, 07:24:50 AM
Blorg.
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Post by: nacho on March 22, 2018, 10:49:46 AM
Krypton... I kind of liked it. It made me wonder if it's a rejected plot for a Doctor Who prequel, though. But that might be because I don't understand the DC universe. Like I don't know who Adam Strange is, or Brainiac, or any of that stuff. As is increasingly common with superhero stories these days, I found that the music and story cues introducing these characters is lost on me because I have to go Wiki them afterwards to figure out why they're important.

But, besides that, the pilot was a solid hour of fun. I like getting away from Earth, I like sci-fi, and it's all built around a simple hero's journey premise. Inoffensive and well crafted.

Oh...and Wallis Day makes me feel funny.

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Post by: nacho on June 11, 2018, 11:13:25 AM
So I had to give up on Krypton. The breaking point was when General Zod traveled from the future to help Superman's grandfather save Krypton...