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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #555 on: December 11, 2017, 12:51:48 PM »
I'm unplugging from everything! I plan to go in completely spoiler free.

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #556 on: December 17, 2017, 08:28:53 PM »
Have we all seen it now?  Can we discuss?

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #557 on: December 18, 2017, 08:24:41 AM »
Have we all seen it now?  Can we discuss?

Yes! I'm still processing. My main complaint was the absurd casino filler sequence. We're in the outer rim, we're surrounded, we have six hours to live...let's sneak away to the center of the universe and have a magical theme park adventure that amounts to nothing!

Also, the First order is in danger of the Modern Sci-FI trope of "not being able to keep a ship in the air." 

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #558 on: December 18, 2017, 09:22:34 AM »
I'll agree with it almost means nothing.  The only thing it really did was "spark" the hope of resistance in the kids.  But my biggest eye roll moment was the Leia guiding herself through outer space back to the safety of her ship.  I mean, come on.  If you wanted her to "die" and come back, have her killed in an explosion with some shrapnel or something.  Not floating in outer space and then some 1980 Superman flying scene back to the ship.  Jeeeeeesus.

All in all though I enjoyed it measurably more than Force Awakens.

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #559 on: December 18, 2017, 01:53:48 PM »
I like that they're all like "Fuck the Skyalkers. That shit is tired." Because that shit is tired.

I loved it. After a second viewing I love it even more. I'm with you on the logic holes, but Star Wars has always had them, so I'm okay with the. I like that they're making bold choices and just wiping the slate clean.

And that light speed kamikaze run. Gah! Waiting for that to hit Youtube so I can watch over and over.

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #560 on: December 18, 2017, 06:16:17 PM »
Okay, I've done a bit more digesting.

So, my problems:

1) The movie was 30-45 minutes too long. That extra length was all tied up in the Casino subplot. A subplot that made no sense whatsoever in the context of the story they were telling. That was some final season GoT timeline fuckery, actually. In 6 hours Finn and Rose go halfway across the galaxy, have an insane adventure, set up the next generation of the resistance, and make it back?

2) The First Order is useless. How are they this grand threat when (a) they can't keep a ship in the air and (b) they're helpless as long as you have enough horsepower to keep one mile ahead of them.

3) Too many ancillary characters. They didn't know what to do with Finn. Rose was useless and there was no chemistry there. Phasma got Boba Fetted -- AGAIN!

4) Tell Poe your plan. He's, like, fourth in charge and you know all the hotheads are going to do what he says. It's the end of all things, there aren't many of you left. Just get the guy on side, okay?

5) The First order can't track small ships? Nor do they have any heavy intercept craft? I guess it's whatever the ship demands...

Things I wasn't really bothered by:

Leia doing her Mary Poppins thing was fine. She's pretty much Jedi trained in the expanded universe, so that's fine. Plus Star Wars space rules are so far removed from reality I don't care what they do anymore. Whatever.

What they SHOULD have done was have her fade with Luke and end the Skywalker line once and for all. That would put Ren into a weird place -- he'd be the only remaining element of the old ways that he so despises.

What I did like:

1) The Guardians of the Galaxy-style comedy. That felt natural for me for some reason. I think it was all well delivered.

2) Nothing the Resistance did actually worked. Poe failing at every single thing he set out to do was refreshing. The Resistance failed because all of their SW-universe tropes failed them. The vague plan to get on the ship and flick the switch failed. The bombing run was a Pyrrhic victory. The secret plan to go to the mineral moon failed miserably. On the moon they give up trying to stop the cannon. This is the first movie where I felt like the rebels were, indeed, in their "most desperate hour."

3) The lighspeed kamikaze run. Which...should have been the rebels go-to tactic since A New Hope.

4) Luke. At first, I wanted to put Luke on the cons list, but the more I think about it the more I appreciate what they did. Also note the parallels to Yoda -- namely his hut and the way he was living.

5) Yoda. Frank OZ Yoda! The first time I've truly seen Yoda since 1983.

6) The Ren and Hux Comedy Show (this movie, more than TFA, is where I felt like they were actually more than 2D characters...and are perhaps the most interesting characters in the reboot).

7) Throwing JJ away. Literally, in some cases. Snope calls out Ren for everything I hated about Ren in TFA. He's an emo fuck trying to be Vader 2.0. Grow up, kid! And...he does...sorta. What we end up with is a conflicted, broken man. And that's something that the franchise desperately needs right now in a bad guy. The Force isn't light and dark. It wants to be grey.

8) Rey's nobody. Also very important. And part of the Buffy vibe that the fucking Casino scene built up.



 


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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #561 on: December 19, 2017, 07:41:10 AM »
Another aspect I enjoyed: How inclusive the movie was for minorities and women. This is something Rogue One mastered, but the larger scale of TLJ meant we got more of it. What I appreciated is that it felt natural (maybe for the first time in sci-fi). No in-universe characters questioned ethnicity/gender. The writers made sure everyone had something to do and there were no lapses in judgement, no struggles with having to "do a man's task," and we even saw women and minorities doing good things in the rank and file so it wasn't just shoe-horning people into the top to cater to the current sympathies.

This is yet another dramatic change from TFA where Finn is constantly posturing and trying to protect Rey, Leia is second fiddle to Han and mainly just a worried mother, Rey is essentially second fiddle to Luke and vaguely out of her element, and all other women are secretarial. While, meanwhile, minorities were shoehorned in. Asian Pilot! Help me! And almost all of the rebel high command is white or alien-white.

A subtle little thing related to this: The inclusion of women at every level, and the natural way they managed command and responsibility, made it all the more noticeable that the First Order is run solely by domineering white men. 

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #562 on: December 27, 2017, 11:25:49 AM »
So, I think the backlash to The Last Jedi is manufactured to a great extent. Vox did a great piece about how the reaction to this was super similar to reactions to the Ghostbusters reboot. The internet, as we all know (and as I bitch about constantly) has become a reactionary, argumentative wasteland. The movie is making money hand over fist.
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/16791844/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-controversy

I also feel like everything I read about the reasons people hated it is why I loved it. This makes me sad, mostly because it illustrates more than anything else just how powerless, polarized, and downright joyless culture at large has become. I suppose it was like this for the prequels, but they were genuinely awful. The Last Jedi (to me) is exciting and new. Star Wars is trying to actually reinvent itself a little instead of keeping it self in the same "Wrath of Khan" box these reboots always seem to do.

There's a lot of talk about how the movie doesn't play into fan theorizing, which again I love. It's the anti-prequels where Lucas let himself be influenced by every little fan complaint. This seemed to say, "We'll make it the way we want. It'll be up to the fans whether to love it or not." I thought the days where that type of narrative "risk taking" in these movies were over.
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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #563 on: December 27, 2017, 12:58:52 PM »
It's disgusting to be in the 21st century and have a backlash like this happen because (in part) there were "too many women in power." But, of course, fear of putting women in power is the shape of the entire world around us right now. Which is astounding.

I hate the whole thing. The only thing keeping me online and plugged in is that I have to manage an online company. Even then I block everyone who follows me, try and pre-program all my content, and stay as far away from actual real interaction as possible. One of my main motivations to retire from running my company is so I can erase my footprint and take a step away from the internet. Pirate my movies, marathon old shit, keep Nacho Sasha's lonely corner occupied only by five people I know well alive, and never check in on FB, Twitter, or anywhere ever again.

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #564 on: December 27, 2017, 01:07:10 PM »
That's the goal, eh? To be successful enough where you can hire a social media intern to do it all for you.

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #565 on: January 05, 2018, 01:26:13 PM »
Over X-Mas break this Han Solo prequel image got released. Disney nor Lucasfilm has claimed it's legit, but if it's a Photoshop hack job, it surely is impressive.



We haven't talked much about the BTS on this, but Lord and Miller got replaced by Ron Howard and the rumor mill swirling is that Disney thinks it's a turd. Of course the rumor mill also swore up and down that Wonder Woman was a turd and it ended up being okay. Plus, after The Last Jedi backlash, I don't trust Star Wars fandom about anything.

Is it a "why?" project? Well, yes, because they're likely going to demystify all the things we love about Han Solo; his relationship with Chewie, how he won the Falcon form Lando, and the Kessel Run which supposedly figures big into the plot.

The Kessel Run is to Star Wars as the Kobayashi Maru is to Star Trek. It was fine for Shatner's Kirk to wax on it in Wrath of Khan. Less fine to see Pine's Kirk beat it in Star Trek '09.
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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #566 on: January 05, 2018, 02:21:41 PM »
Oh my god... So a lengthy CGI race scene will fill up all of act two? Back to the 90s for the franchise, I guess.

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #567 on: January 05, 2018, 02:56:11 PM »
I think the worst case scenario is Ant-Man. Best case scenario? Probably, er, Ant-Man.

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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #568 on: February 04, 2018, 08:06:10 PM »
Can they pull this off? They might pull this off.


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Re: General Star Wars Thread
« Reply #569 on: February 05, 2018, 10:27:04 AM »
Hmm.... So... am I going to be able to buy this guy as Han Solo?

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